October 3, 2012

Let's watch the debate!

7:38 Central Time: For some reason, I feel as though I'm not going to have anything to say. But I'm going to try to watch like a normal person, let it flow over me as if I didn't need to write about everything, and I'll see what happens. Please converse in the comments. And I'll do updates here if the spirit moves me.

7:43: Now, my son John is a fabulous live-blogger, and he's set up to go.

7:50: In the practice debates, Obama had John Kerry pretending to be Mitt Romney, and Romney had Rob Portman pretending to be Barack Obama. I've got to think Romney had the better practice partner. Why would Kerry be any good at that?

8:05: The candidates come out and shake hands. Meade: "Romney's taller." Me: "Romney has a bigger head."

8:06: Obama appropriately makes a statement about his wife. It's their 20th anniversary.

8:08: Romney says: "I'm sure this is the most romantic place you can imagine: here with me."

8:10: In the opening speeches, Romney had a great line about Obama thinking "trickle-down government" would work. "I'll restore the vitality that gets America working again." Meade says Romney won the opening statements: "Obama talked about himself and his job. Romney talked about us and our jobs."

8:13: Obama is talking up tax cuts for the rich!

8:23: "Donald Trump doesn't like to think of himself as small anything," says Obama.

8:26: Romney's going on about lowering taxes, and Obama looks irritated.

8:29: Jim Lehrer is getting the vapors. He seems very old, weak, and small. Romney seems to have a plan to dominate him.

8:41: Obama has a plan to flash his winning smile, but he just flashed it when Romney brought up Solyndra and said "You pick the losers."

8:43: Lehrer only interrupts Romney (it seems to me). "Let's go," he mutters gruffly.

8:53: How long is this debate? Is this 2 hours? Is anyone still watching?

8:55: Lehrer interrupts Obama. He's struggling to get some control. He seems desperate.

9:16: They're not really attacking each other. Just rolling out policies, pretty wonkily, and distinguishing theirs from the other guy's.

9:17: Do they differ on "how they view the role of the federal government?" Lehrer asks with dismaying generality.

9:19: Obama invokes Lincoln. Lincoln thought the government should do some things, and Obama tries to be like Lincoln.

9:20: Romney loves great schools and great teachers. But the question is what's the role of the federal government. "We're all children of the same God." We have the "right to pursue our own dreams" as "free people."

9:36: Obama's closing statement sounds like platitudes. I'm surprised he has nothing vivid to say. Romney goes second.

9:39: Lots of hanging out on stage... together. Could it be that they like each other?

10:29: Everyone seems to be saying that Obama lost by a lot. I blame John Kerry. I'll bet he was a terrible practice partner.

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galdosiana said...

I never did understand how anyone thought that Obama was such a gifted orator in the 07/08 campaign season. Just because one reads a teleprompter well does not mean one can speak worth a darn.

Lem said...

Obama is filubustering

Inga said...

He's not going to be able to distance himself from RomneyCare. Won't happen.

Pastafarian said...

Five minutes of uninterrupted slander by Obama.

Critter said...

Romney: Jim! STFU!

Freeman Hunt said...

Pretty easy to see which guy got used to debating in a high pressure boardroom and which guy got used to it with bureaucrats and students.

AReasonableMan said...

Shouting Thomas said...
Obamacare is a fait accompli.

Romney tacitly accepts this.


Not it's not and yes he does. Romney has no intention to repeal Obamacare.

phx said...

Looks pretty equal to me. Edge to Romney on the economy. Edge to Obama on health care.

They're both doing well. But as Shouting Thomas says they're more alike than they want to admit.

Alex said...

Honestly the only compelling reason to vote in Romney is help keep the 5-4 SCOTUS majority. Otherwise he'll do nothing about the economy, the debt or Iran.

Shouting Thomas said...

Romney is a big government RINO.

That's coming out in spades (racism acknowledged).

yashu said...

I hate to tell you guys, but these two guys like each other.

WTF? This is seriously delusional.

Muns said...

KABOOM!

Paddy O said...

Inga, I don't hear Romney distancing himself from Romneycare. He seems to be emphasizing how it was a bipartisan bill that responded to both sides.

Patrick said...

Jonah Goldberg tweeted: MSM's failure to challenge the President and has left him soft and unprepared.

Lem said...

OMG Leher got something on his throat.

Alex said...

Imagine the damage of Obama picking 3 more judges, replacing Gingsberg, Breyer and either Scalia/Kennedy. Maybe even both. A 6-3 liberal majority for 20 years.

Chip Ahoy said...

That gesture of pointing without pointing, the bent index finger point, as if jabbing with an invisible toothpick, pisses me off so bad I can't stand it.

NOT ALLOWED TO POINT!!!!!so the irrepressible non-point happens autonomically. Jab! Right in the heart with an academic pedantic toothpick.

Shouting Thomas said...

Obama quotes Lincoln. Clever.

Paddy O said...

Obama just said he really does like trickle-down government.

Methadras said...

The first role of the federal government is to promote liberty, freedom through commerce and leaving the citizens alone to pursue their goals with the least amount of government intrusion. Yes, Urkel, compare yourself to Lincoln again. What a dick.

Inga said...

Paddy, he wants to say that because Obamacare is a Federal program it's fundamentally different, that's bogus. I

edutcher said...

Ya gotta love it.

Zero, when looks at the Romster, looks at him with daggers; when he looks down, he's thinking, "I'm getting killed here".

Wonder who ends up under the bus for this one?

Should be him if he really ditched prep because they "made him do his homework".

virgil xenophon said...

ST/

I'm a Republican and loath Obama, but Romney has demonstrated tonight that in his failure to hit Obama on the "death-Panels" of Obama-care and the entire concept of "tax-expenditures" he bis FAR from the ideal candidate..

Freeman Hunt said...
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Chuck66 said...

Did Obama just say he is a fan of the Union Pacific Railroad? A homungous corporation. Whose owners in the 1800s were robber barons.

Shouting Thomas said...

Obama wants to hire more teachers.

Pretty complex subject.

In my school district, student population is declining.

bagoh20 said...

Now he's actually suggesting that Obamacare is better than Romney's ideas because we know what's in it... now. That's rich. Pelosi - midnight vote - uni-partisan Obamacare.

What about all those exemptions for his friends if Obamacare is so great?

Paddy O said...

Lincoln = transcontinental railroad that brings together two thriving areas of the country.

Democrats == high speed rail that connects random spot to random spot.

ricpic said...

So you can imagine it, Alex, and you're still a pox on both their houses?!

AReasonableMan said...

Patrick said...
Jonah Goldberg tweeted: left him soft and unprepared.


Jonah's inability to get a job without mommy's help left him soft in the head.

phx said...

I wondered about that to Shouting Thomas - hiring teachers

Paddy O said...

Hire more teachers?

First, California need to re-hire the teachers that were fired because of budget cuts.

Muns said...

I hope people are watching this Ann. Obama is unprepared and has lost this debate.

Almost Ali said...

Of the two, Jim Lehrer is the most flustered. Then Mr. Obama.

While Gov. Romney continues taking candy from babies.

Alex said...

So Obama has a nebulous plan to educate more engineers for 20 years from now. Nothing about the 20 million long-term unemployed. Nope, nada zip.

Chuck66 said...

Romney should have talked about negative rights vs positve rights.

Constitution says what the gov't cannot due to us.

Obama thinks the gov't is forced to give us free stuff and special rights (like equal outcomes).

Alex said...

Romney droning on about the military industrial complex. As if they don't have enough money already.

Shouting Thomas said...

Romney makes his argument for a free market economy.

Obama argues for government investment.

gmama3 said...

Romney is killing this, Leaher is freaking out....

Emil Blatz said...

Alex said...

Also Romney has no intellectual credibility arguing that single-payer was OK to try in MA because of "states rights" but no good for federal. That's just bullshit. I'm left with thinking that Romney believes in NOTHING


So you're not a laboratories of democracy kinda guy?

I'm not thrilled by what was done in Massachusetts, but I don't live there, and can recognize that it is a strange animal. Witness the Scott Brown - Elizabeth Warren tilt and look at what a nominal Republican has to do to stay in office in that goofy state.

Darrell said...

If today's media could host a debate between Hitler and Churchill, do you think that would choose Paul Joseph Goebbels as the Moderator? Or would they stick with Lehrer?

Almost Ali said...

Now you know what is meant by the still applicable term lazy and shiftless.

Joe Schmoe said...

Jonah's inability to get a job without mommy's help left him soft in the head.

Rube self-identifies.

Freeman Hunt said...

Obama is thinking, "Eff Kerry. Eff him."

edutcher said...

Romney very eloquent and very succinct in his statement on governance, not to mention killing Choom with the numbers of people in trouble.

AReasonableMan said...

virgil xenophon said...
I'm a Republican and loath Obama, but Romney has demonstrated tonight that in his failure to hit Obama on the "death-Panels" of Obama-care and the entire concept of "tax-expenditures" he bis FAR from the ideal candidate..


The death panels meme is nonsense. Romney doesn't want to look like an idiot. For starters everyone is free to buy private health care in any form they want. No one can or wants to stop this. Trying to establish best practices in terms of outcomes and costs is not a death panel.

phx said...

If today's media could host a debate between Hitler and Churchill,

Godwin's Law!
Called it first.
You're such a maroon!

Lem said...

Obama talking talking again = time for a nap.

creeley23 said...

Obama has some of the worst nonverbals I've seen at the national leadership level. What is all this staring down or looking away from Romney?

Romney looks relaxed, in command, and professional.

Alex said...

Voucher schools do not automatically turn dumb kids into math geniuses. Sorry Mitt, that dog won't hunt!

Shouting Thomas said...

Obama appeals directly to his base... teachers' unions.

I'm not sure why any person wouldn't be able to go to school.

Student loans are awarded pretty indiscriminantly.

phx said...

Yeah hitting the Death Panel memes would be suicide (ironic huh?) for Romney here.

Freeman Hunt said...

Obama's body language is awful. The turning away from Romney puts out a vibe like he's running from him.

MadisonMan said...

#SO to Community Colleges! W00t!

ricpic said...

Lehrer would've had a tingle for Hitler.

Alex said...

Sarah Palin said "death panels" and 70% of conservatives love her to death.

Seeing Red said...

--The death panels meme is nonsense. Romney doesn't want to look like an idiot. For starters everyone is free to buy private health care in any form they want. No one can or wants to stop this. Trying to establish best practices in terms of outcomes and costs is not a death panel.--


Right...........that monster was designed long-term.

Single-payer and it will sink the country.

Paddy O said...

Lehrer is starting to interrupt Obama more. Someone whispered in his ear.

Patrick said...

Jonah's inability to get a job without mommy's help left him soft in the head.

Wow. That's an awesome insult. Pretty quick too. Seems he's doing pretty well, though, publishing two bestsellers and all.

Maybe his mom should get you a job too.

gmama3 said...

Obama is inarticulate.

WHY do community colleges partnering with business require federal support?

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Carnitas were delicious. Obama is filibustering again and Lehrer lets him.

shiloh said...

No game change = no effect!

blessings

Oso Negro said...

Lehrer is letting Obama dominate time of possession. This exchange, Romney got 45 secs and Obama is already at 2:30 and not slowing down.

Oso Negro said...

And Obama is still going at 3:00

Alex said...

Training programs? For what Barry? Hamburger flipper jobs?

ITT Technical Institute - a guaranteed admission into McDonald's management!

edutcher said...

Darrell said...

If today's media could host a debate between Hitler and Churchill, do you think that would choose Paul Joseph Goebbels as the Moderator? Or would they stick with Lehrer?

Even though Lehrer is a little more telegenic, Goebbels was smarter - lots smarter and something of an original thinker.

Needless to say, they'd go with Lehrer.

Paddy O said...

informal Facebook observation.


Obama fans: this debate is boring!

Romney fans: Romney is doing great!

(I have more Obama loving friends than Romney)

Shouting Thomas said...

How does the Fed guarantee that a student will have a job waiting for him when he graduates?

Lem said...

Obama is hypnotizing people.

virgil xenophon said...

ARM, your lack of knowledge about the details of Obamacare is ABSOLUTELY amazing..

AReasonableMan said...

Romney let's off a thirty year old Reagan 'zinger'.

Patrick said...

90 billion into green jobs, 1/2 out of business - half going to contributors to your campaigns. Nice point.

Alex said...

Look you either are born with the mind for math & problem solving or you aren't. No amount of "training programs" will turn dolts into engineers.

Nathan Alexander said...

Romney is consistently winning the CNN approval tracker.

Titus said...

I watched for 5 minutes and was bored out of mind.

I wanted more hate, violence and humor.

I know, its politics and I guess I was hoping for more.

tits.

At least Ann Romney and Michnig Obama could of got into a cage match fight.

bagoh20 said...

No Inga, In the United States, the way we are defined, it is almost by definition fundamentally different at the state rather than the federal level.

Besides the Constitution, there are practical reasons why it matters. For one, if it sucks, it sucks for everyone, and there is no alternative for either a better idea to grow or for people to freely choose a better idea.

You do want a better idea to have a chance don't you? If you were searching for a cure for a disease, would you want just one big therapy experimented with or 50 different ones?

ricpic said...

Obama's body language says he can barely stand it being criticized by the white dude.

Seeing Red said...

Like the old USSR - no free toilets - the geniuses can hand out towels & make sure everyone pays.

Or like the ChiComs- work on the highways with pick axes.

Shouting Thomas said...

Summations should be interesting.

Alex said...

Instead what we need is to lift the H1B visa limitation and allow unlimited Chinese and Indian programmers in.

Patrick said...

Bill Maher: Obama made a lot of good points tonight. Most of them were for Romney.

Maybe Jonah's mom can get him a job too, Reasonable Man.

virgil xenophon said...

@edutcher/

But Hitler was by FAR the more perceptive pure politician..

Titus said...

Massachusetts schools are ranked number one in the nation!


I know Mass is completely horrible and libtard.

Take that red staters.

tits.

Seeing Red said...

--Look you either are born with the mind for math & problem solving or you aren't. No amount of "training programs" will turn dolts into engineers.--

How about understanding basic math?

Victor Erimita said...

Dear lord, Romney is hammering him. Obama sounds like a college dorm know-it-all. As usual. He's rambling, mumbling, bumbling and repeating the tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires lie for every single topic. How can anyone not see this? How can anyone watch this man and not see how utterly clueless he is? Undecided? Really? Really?

Patrick said...

(I have more Obama loving friends than Romney)

Me too. Makes for some fun poker games.

Alex said...

Let's face it - we failed as a nation to properly educate the youngins. Time to pay the piper and be good slaves you Masters in Literature!

Shouting Thomas said...

Romney says he knows how to work with the opposition.

He's going after one of Obama's most obvious weaknesses.

AReasonableMan said...

Romney has no plan other than to get along.

Freeman Hunt said...

Ack! Why didn't they put Obama up for practice with someone else, so he'd be used to this? Like a worm squirming.

Romney body language makes him look like the President.

I wonder what Obama will look like in the next debate. I bet he'll be better after he sees this tape. He'll control his body more.

Right now, he is not the cool one.

creeley23 said...

I guess Obama is staring down at his crib notes.

MadisonMan said...

Nice that Romney went first here otherwise Obama would be taking up all 3 minutes.

virgil xenophon said...

@Titus/

I'm with you all the way! lol

Oso Negro said...

More bi-partisanship and collaboration talk from Romney!

phx said...

A couple of civilized guys with reasonable platforms. Arguing soberly and respectfully.

Sometimes I think Romney's biggest deficit is some of his own supporters.

Lem said...

Lerher is too old for the job.

Seeing Red said...

--Romney let's off a thirty year old Reagan 'zinger'--


It's new to the kids.

shiloh said...

Let the spinmeisters spewing their nonsense begin in earnest ...

Alex said...

Seeing Red...

How about understanding basic math?

Wow, they might be able operate the McDonald's POS terminal.

edutcher said...

shiloh said...

No game change = no effect!

Aren't we all glad the little weasel thinks so?

The Romster just kills Zero by mentioning he made schools in MA best in the country. "I've done it. I know how".

Zero just makes faces.

blessings

Only because Lehrer gave the 2 minute warning. Now Zero can get away from the Mean Mormon who's showing him up.

Tippecanoe and Tyler, Too.

Patrick said...

Peter Beinert: My only hope is that the debate is so boring that people won't see how bad Obama is doing.

Jonah's mom again, ResonableMan?

bagoh20 said...

"tits"

We had that with Bachman and Gingrich. The tits didn't hold up.

Lem said...

Middle clas is buried under you mr president!

Paddy O said...

"Romney is going to have a busy first day."

Might even work as long as 6 hours that day. Who has time for that?!

Shouting Thomas said...

Obama lists his accomplishments.

Up to you to decided whether those are facts.

Oso Negro said...

Romney takes 1:10 of the last three minutes. Obama starts dropping his "g's". Could he break into dialect here?

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Obama takes ideas from all over.

Obamacare was a Republican idea by the way.

Votes though? They don't mean shit, it's all just a show.

Obama's sophistry is what matters.

virgil xenophon said...

Oh, see Titus has commented again--was talking about the cage match..

AReasonableMan said...

The exports story is a big success for Obama, he should emphasize it more.

Chuck66 said...

Actually I believe Mass schools are behind Red State schools in North Dakota and South Dakota.

Lem said...

Obama filubustering again

Inga said...

Romney= collaborator?

AReasonableMan said...

Obama finally scores a hit on Romney. I may have a crappy plan but at least I have a plan.

Darrell said...

phx
Are you so stupid that you think that "Godwin's Law" is an actual law of some sort? Did annyone "vote" on it? Did it require picture IDs to vote? Fuck Godwin and the horse he rode in on.
If the Left keeps acting like fascists, you've got to expect valid comparisons.

No go email your talking points co-ordinator for your response.

Oso Negro said...

Obama - Governor Romney won't say no to the more extreme elements of his party. Dog whistle!!!

Shanna said...

No amount of "training programs" will turn dolts into engineers.

Somebody never saw stand and deliver.

MadisonMan said...

two minutes.

How long will Obama's closing statement be?

Lem said...

Four years ago!

Bush!

Shouting Thomas said...

I hate the "people I met" trope.

Weak stuff.

Lem said...

millionaresandbillionares

jr565 said...

Obama keeps dinging Romney on not having a plan. The problem for Obama is that he's enacted his plan. How has that worked out so far?

AReasonableMan said...

Darrell said...

If the Left keeps acting like fascists, you've got to expect valid comparisons.


This is hysterical nonsense.

Lem said...

Companies are at fault

Freeman Hunt said...

Eek. Thank goodness it's almost over. Making me uncomfortable to watch the President be uncomfortable for so long.

Lem said...

fare share!

creeley23 said...

I want to see the time statistics between Obama and Romney.

My impression, perhaps incorrect, is that Obama was allowed to run the clock by a large margin and that ought to be a disgrace.

Shouting Thomas said...

Fairness is the Obama mantra.

What that means is subject to debate.

Obama was effective.

Titus said...

Well Chuck Romney said tonight Mass schools are number one in the entire nation?????????

NotquiteunBuckley said...

Well, unless I missed it, the fucked phrase "I will not rest" hasn't been used.

So we all won, in a way, tonight.

Thanks Denver.

Lem said...

the truth came out!

fare share!

redistribution.

shiloh said...

Not concerned about 47%, but Willard is concerned lol.

AReasonableMan said...

Good close by Obama. The idea that this guy is a radical seems ridiculous when you watch him action.

Mark said...

Well, at least Obama got screwed on his anniversary.

Shouting Thomas said...

Romney talks about Obama's failures.

Do you want four more years of this?

He looks directly at the camera. Good strategy.

Chuck66 said...

Titus, Mass schools are better than Obama's Chicago schools. But not as good as Republican schools in the Dakotas. Or in Scott Walker's Wisconsin.

somefeller said...

Romney won this debate. I don't think there were any great zingers, other than the Romney comment about how many teachers could have been hired with green energy subsidies.

The race is tightening up. Obama has dropped about 10 points on Intrade in recent days. He's still up on Romney, but he needs to elevate his game from what he showed tonight.

madAsHell said...

I dunno.

The soaring orator is umming and ahhing his way to some un-convincing answers. I don't think Barry is good with numbers.

Romney? That fugger has done his homework. He can do the math.

bagoh20 said...

I really hate when politician say they "fought" or will "fight".

You aren't fighting unless your golf club is buried in someone's skull.

Almost Ali said...

You know the two words. I've been using them since before the last presidential election, two words that perfectly capture the worst mistake ever made by the American people: Jive Turkey

MadisonMan said...

Lerher is too old for the job

Agreed. Lehrer is not very good.

Obama's closing statement is not very coherent. Romney's isn't either -- but it's better than Obama's.

Inga said...

If Romney wins, I hope he keeps his bipartisan, collaboration promises. He will keep pre existing conditions protections, that alone will not make his plan any cheaper than Obamacare.

MadisonMan said...

Let the spinning begin!

edutcher said...

phx said...

Yeah hitting the Death Panel memes would be suicide (ironic huh?) for Romney here.

No death panels in Romneycare, genius.

Shouting Thomas said...

Here's where I go toward Obama.

Romney is not willing to cut the military and bring the troops home.

Advantage Obama.

On just about everything else, I'm with Romney.

shiloh said...

Willard had a 36% job approval rating at the end of his term as MA gov. w/no chance for re-election!

blessings

Colonel Angus said...

I may have a crappy plan but at least I have a plan.

So did General Custer.

Chuck66 said...

Now, as I read AA comments, do I listen to FNC on TV, or see who is on the radio tonight?

vbspurs said...

MITT KILLED.

Cheers,
Victoria

Pastafarian said...

Romney won. We'll see if it matters.

ricpic said...

Titus is a faux Republican. You don't faux me, Titus.

Muns said...

Obama 3
Romney 16
Lerher 2
Very surprised with Mittens performance.
Good Night.

Seeing Red said...
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bagoh20 said...

Now for tonight's episode of "Presidential Wife Swap"

Now that would be awesome TV!

AReasonableMan said...

Colonel Angus said...

So did General Custer.


No. Custer was as clueless as Romney.

Lem said...

Obama fled!

Romney sticks around.

Shouting Thomas said...

Good one, bagoh!

Chuck66 said...

Inga, Romney is rather liberal in a split country, so I would say he will keep much of socialist healthcare.

Me? I wish he was more right wing domestically, and more isolationist foriegn wise. Why are Americans dying for shithole countries like Iraq and Afganistan?

Seeing Red said...

There are many ways to bring down the price of that monstrosity, make it choice.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Putting aside the content of what the debaters said and just focusing on how they looked, how they engaged the audience, I have to give this one to Mitt. He looked better and he spoke more plainly and confidently. Most people don't give shit about "plans". They are judging the men's character by how they come across.

Titus said...

Well then Chuck I guess Mitt's comments about Mass having the best schools in the nation was kind of like not true....

Why didn't Mitt go to any red state schools=he had a choice to go to the best schools in the country and natch he choice Mass.

Sure, North Dakota and South Dakota and Wisconsin (hilarious) believe you have better schools than Mass-thanks for the laugh.

ricpic said...

Good assessment by somefeller who I believe leans left but calls it for Romney.

The Crack Emcee said...

Romney won - easily.

Obama didn't come alive until the final segment, while Romney was "on" during the entire debate.

It should change the dynamic considerably,...

vbspurs said...

And, Lem, Romney was waving to the crowd, and being surrounded by love and appreciation from his family.

This is going to lead to a 5 point bounce, you heard it here first.

phx said...

Well, good job Romney. He takes the round.

bagoh20 said...

"Agreed. Lehrer is not very good."

I think his ineffectiveness was a plus. It was almost like he wasn't there.

AReasonableMan said...

These debates are always good for the challenger. To appear on stage with the President as an equal is a big plus. This being said, Romney seems clueless. There are literally no ideas, new or old, that you can attribute to the man.

ricpic said...

Titus finds the "gross" states distasteful.

Nathan Alexander said...

Although I understand why he didn't, I wish Romney would have mentioned the complete lack of leadership in the week leading up to Amb Stevens death after Pres Obama said the first duty of a President is to keep Americans safe.

mccullough said...

Romney was energetic and Obama looked tired. It's hard to believe Obama's 14 years younger than Romney

Paddy O said...
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Tim said...

Romney.

I wish he'd gone all Harbaugh on Obama, but I'll take the win.

Lem said...

OMG the CSPAN Lady used the word gamechanger.

I'm flipping the channel.

Critter said...

must be the smoking....

phx said...

Obama reminds me of the world chess champion, Vishy Anand. Looking a little bit lazy, a little less committed to the win. Too laid back.

But you just know he's also a very, very dangerous opponent and it would be a mistake to underestimate him.

I was pretty impressed by Romney though.

Darrell said...

Obama can use the same management techniques he employed handling the terrorist threats on our embassies in Libya and Egypt to run ObamaCare. That'll work. Maybe he can contract out to a British security firm that agrees to the pre-condition of no bullets on site for local security.

Inga said...

Someone needs to ask Romney point blank, how long he plans on keeping troops in that hellhole Afghanistan.

AReasonableMan said...

mccullough said...
Romney was energetic and Obama looked tired. It's hard to believe Obama's 14 years younger than Romney


Romney hasn't had a real job in a decade. He should be pretty rested.

vbspurs said...

Tingles going ballistic!!

AprilApple said...

"....Obama, peevish, scripted. Romney, relaxed, and owning the stage like one of the “big, swinging dicks” from Wall Street, which Obama both despises and relies upon.

And that’s the trick tonight, isn’t it? Obama has always relied on the big money men in private, while disparaging them in public. But what happens when he comes up against one of them in the most public way possible?

Now we know the answer, and it ain’t pretty.

The president appeared small and petulant and reactive. Romney looked presidential and secure and proactive. There was only one president on the stage tonight, and he doesn’t (yet) hold the office."

-Stephen Green

Muns said...

Obama 3
Romney 16
Lerher 2
Very surprised with Mittens performance.
Good Night.

Freeman Hunt said...

Romney clearly won this one. Even the opinion at ABC seems to be that Romney won.

But Obama is going to come back much better. He won't make the same mistakes again.

Chuck66 said...

Perhaps Mitt should have said "If you don't count states run by Norwegain Republicans, Mass has the best schools in the country,"

MadisonMan said...

. It's hard to believe Obama's 14 years younger than Romney

Really?

Well, being a President will age you, I guess.

Lyle said...

I think I can handle of America becoming more like Utah and less like Chicago.

Onward Mormon Saints!

Gavin Buckley said...

Obama struggled without the "Dolphins cumming right into your face!!!" Hope stuff.

Romney's platform of "shut up Jim" worked well. Won the debate hands down on optics.

Lehrer will no doubt appear in an anti-bullying commercial later this week.

john said...

Inga said...
Someone needs to ask Romney point blank, how long he plans on keeping troops in that hellhole Afghanistan
.


Allie, I nominate you for best unasked question of the debate. And I know you meant to say Obama.

Chuck66 said...

Nathon, that is the next debate.

Mitt should say that instead of buying overpiced useless Chevy Volts, our embassis should strengthen security.

somefeller said...

Chris Matthews just asked "where was Obama tonight?" and that Obama needs to watch MSNBC to get some pointers. Ouch.

creeley23 said...

Obama lost this one. Nonetheless Althouse mostly maintained "cruel neutrality" in her comments.

At this point I'm good with "stupid neutrality" or "politically correct neutrality" or just "neutrality bullshit."

vbspurs said...

But Obama is going to come back much better. He won't make the same mistakes again.

But the number of eyeballs will be significantly less.

Darrell said...

Obama's strength is not in debating. His strength is really...uh...ummm...it'll come to me...maybe, campaigning. And "date nights."

gmama3 said...

Just watched Chris Matthews soil himself. He is ANGRY and tingles.

Obama's debate prep was either lazy or Kerry was a horrible surrogate, or BOTH!!!!!

ricpic said...

'kay, independents? You've seen Romney and he's not the ogre depicted but a decent capable guy. You can let go of Obama's hand now. And they will. In droves.

sydney said...

So, it's over then? I didn't watch. I have already made up my mind. And I know that no matter who won the debate, the papers will make it seem that Obama did. They did that with every debate with McCain, no matter how well McCain did. And they did it with Palin and Biden. Come to think of it, they did it with Cheney and Edwards, too.

I hope Obama did badly enough that it is blatantly obvious he is the poorer candidate. Did he?

Lem said...

Obama got buried.

Inga said...

How long will Romney, if he is President keep our troops in Afghanistan, that is the question.

America's Politico said...

Obama destroyed Romney.

Obama destroyed the Moderator.

Obama destroyed the audience.

NYT will endorse Obama tomorrow. WashPost on Sunday.

Ha. ha. ha. Romney go home.

Chuck66 said...

Inga, the Isolationist right like me and the pacifist left like you can agree on that.

Afgan is a shithole not worth one more American life. But neather Mitt nor Barry have a clue on what to do with it.

Paddy O said...

He won't make the same mistakes again.

Poor Kerry. He's going to lose as a mock candidate now too.

vbspurs said...

Gmama3, Romney wiped his brow after debate prep with Rob Portman, he said.

Portman has been the GOP POTUS debate prep go-to guy since 2000. He has played Gore, Kerry, and Obama. Poor guy.

Cheers,
Victoria

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