March 20, 2012

In the Wisconsin rotunda, high school students chant "We're with Walker" and drown out the anti-Walker "Solidarity Singers."

I missed this one. It happened last Thursday. I guess I'm not covering the "Wisconsin protests" story with sufficient vigilance! Blah! It never ends. Anyway, tons of teenagers were in Madison for the big high school basketball tournament. They came from all over the state, drastically tipping the political balance. As Wisconsin Citizens Media Co-op reports it (and I'm getting to this belatedly, via Prof. Jacobson, via Instapundit):
On Thursday March 15, 2012 the afternoon Solidarity Sing Along was taken over by a large group of supporters from Lutheran High School in Sheboygan...

Shouts of “LHS” and “Stand with Walker” thundered through the rotunda and was met with wide approval from the LHS supporters. One student entered the circle to mock and taunt the singers with dance moves.
Taunting with dance moves! There's video, but it doesn't include the dance-taunt, which I can only imagine. What would it be, some basketball-madness-Walker-loving hula?



Ha ha. I love the way Wisconsin Citizens Media Co-op — with its ability to detect dance mockery — fails to notice the students singing along with "Solidarity Forever" and making it horribly off key. Maybe the Co-op thinks the Solidarity Singers are always that badly out of tune. That's so sad for the folks who so diligently gather day after day to sing with their clenched fists thrust aloft.

The Solidarity Sing Along remained calm and peaceful throughout the ordeal and eventually moved outside to continue singing while the rotunda erupted in approval.
That's written as if the singers have a prior claim on the public space. It's speaking as if the singers were giving a planned performance to an assembled audience that wants to listen. For example, when Sarah Palin spoke at the Capitol last April, there was an assembled crowd eager to hear her, and the anti-Walker protesters did everything they could to boo and shout and frustrate everybody who wanted to hear:



At 4:40, my edited video, shows, among those who are actively booing, John Nichols — of The Nation and author of "Uprising: How Wisconsin Renewed the Politics of Protest, from Madison to Wall Street" — and John “Sly” Sylvester. (Sly is the radio host who has "outrageously accused GOP lieutenant governor Rebecca Kleefisch of performing 'fellatio on all the talk-show hosts in Milwaukee' and sneered that she had 'pulled a train.'")

Andrew Breitbart was there that day too:
As I took to the stage, the shouting from those trying to disrupt the Tea Party intensified. Inarticulate shouting becomes their last weapon as their policies crumble.
Also shouted down that day — a 14-year-old girl: "One of the chants during her speech is 'Go home! Go home! Go home!'"

At the Wisconsin Citizens Media Co-op blog post, there's some good discussion in the comments. Someone called Sam says:
Why do you think it’s alright for the protesters to give their opinion, but not alright for any other opinion to be given? I didn’t hear any mocking or taunting, only the two chants.
Tyler says:
It is SUCH a crime to celebrate a victory from the first time LHS has ever been at state. We had a right to be there just as much as the singers were. How do you think some of us feel when we try to live our lives and are being pestered by “Recall Walker” activists? You can’t walk down the block in Madison without being talked to by someone. We weren’t there to be political or anything, we were there to celebrate our team. The singers just happened to be there at the same time.
Josh says:
We were taunting and harrassing? I was called a facist, told my savior was a homosexual, and called ignorant and stupid, all within like, 15 minutes. And we were harrassing and taunting? By saying LHS, and showing our support for our governor? Really?
RanDomino replies:
Who put them up to it?

Also, Jesus was gay, and fuck Scott Walker.
Kay says:
Let me just tell you that the people from LHS were invited there and indeed got a permit to be there. They never said anything wrong. They just said “stand with walker” and “LHS” to celebrate their basketball team on their state victory. I never heard ANYTHING bad thing come out of one of their mouths. They also did nothing to harass any of the protesters. It’s funny because Scott Walker did more for everyone than the protesters are nagging about. Please get some jobs. It’s not going to do anything for you guys if you stand in the middle of the Capitol building singing songs. And also, if you aren’t happy about our governor or the way we run our state, please leave. We don’t need any more hate in this world.

God bless you all!
And God bless Sheboygan Lutheran High School, which won the state championship, with a brilliant 3-pointer by Sam Dekker, who's coming to the University of Wisconsin, where he is already one of our very favorite individuals!

Back to the Co-op comments. James says:
I love how these protesters flatter themselves by thinking that the students were there to cheer or taunt them, when really the students and LHS crowd had no idea the solidarity singers were going to be there. And if these singers can sing their opinion, it is certainly fair that other people can come to the capitol and voice their support for our governor as well.
Tell me about it. Last time I ventured among the protesters, I was taunted and harassed, as I walked, ostensibly alone. I was asked where my husband was and "Who's going to save you when you get attacked?" And a year ago, of course, I received notice that the city of Madison was "OCCUPIED" by people who "have the numbers" and have "revoked" my "city of Madison privileges":
Did you really think this could go on forever? That you could sit on the steps of our house, walk the streets of our city, lie about us to strangers, tell gun-toting rednecks from out of state and the Northwoods how depraved and deserving of punishment we are all while maintaining plausible deniability for any of the consequences that your actions might cause?
I was told "WE WILL FUCK YOU UP" by people who were going to come to my home to harass me, and given a list of shops and restaurants where these people supposedly worked, and I was no longer permitted to go:
We will Walker you straight out of the place whenever you show up. We are at every coffee shop on State, open to close, all the time. We will hang up wanted posters of you everywhere you like to go. We will picket on public property as close to your house as we can every day. We will harrass the ever loving shit out of you all the time. Campus is OCCUPIED. State street is OCCUPIED. The Square is OCCUPIED. Vilas, Schenk's Corners, Atwood, Willy Street – Occupied, Occupied, Occupied, Occupied. Did you really think it was all about the Capitol? Fuck the Capitol, we are the CITY.
But folks from the Northwoods and elsewhere in the state were in town last week. It was all about basketball and wholesome fun in the capital city, where everyone in the state belongs. Especially Sam Dekker — whatever his politics. From what I've seen, the University of Wisconsin is a huge place, full of people who care more about sports than politics. So don't hesitate to come here, sports fans, Walker fans, and everybody else. We need you! We need more air in this musty old cocoon.

79 comments:

Scott M said...

There's video, but it doesn't include the dance-taunt, which I can only imagine. What would it be, some basketball madness, Walker-loving hula?

More than likely, the anti-Walker protestor got served.

Christopher in MA said...

Waiting for garbage's "Look! A squirrel!" in 3, 2, 1 -

Pogo said...

Helluva post, there, Althouse.

And that 3-pointer was truly awesome; made me wish I could watch the entire game.

LHS means "Lutheran" HS, so telling them that Jesus was gay sounds like the usual classy Madison crowd.

Why is being gay still a taunt to the left, anyways?

Hoosier Daddy said...

Ah the Walker Youth.

;-)

edutcher said...

Well, I guess there's hope for WI.

Or maybe Taranto's Roe Effect is kicking in.

Ann Althouse said...

Someone called Sam says:
Why do you think it’s alright for the protesters to give their opinion, but not alright for any other opinion to be given?


He broke the code.

RanDomino replies:

Who put them up to it?

Also, Jesus was gay


The Lefties need to get their story straight. I thought he was boinking Mary Magdalene.

I know, he was God in man, so he was LGBTQASDFGTYUI and straight all at once

virgil xenophon said...

"...the University of Wisconsin i a huge place, full of people who care more about sports than politics."

Who knew?--Just proves that Tank MacNamera and the Enormous State University "Fighting Sand-Crabs" had their priorities right after all! LOL.

Thorley Winston said...

I was never much for “school spirit” when I was in high school but I was always happy when someone I knew made it to State or the nationals. I think it’s fitting that these young people – some of whom may be able to vote in the recall – which turned out to celebrate the achievements of their classmates are supporting the governor and opposing the Occupiers.

garage mahal said...

We encountered a flock of strange flightless birds. Walker supporters!

This is some discovery!

EDH said...

Althouse: "Especially Sam Dekker — whatever his politics."

Proof that Dekker is right wing!

(short ad before video cue)

MadisonMan said...

Sheboygan Lutheran is a D5 school, yet the team swarming Dekker after his most excellent game-winning shot was quite large, which made me wonder if the entire school body was on the team.

Okay, I looked it up. There are 245 kids in the high school. Maybe only 10% are on the basketball team :)

BTW, FINALLY the School District here is doing something about Memorial's incredibly lame wrist-slapping penalty of their star Basketball players.

drozz said...

just waiting for the anti-walker protestors to intimidate and damage local businesses who think wrongwise. almost like a modern day kristallnacht.

oh, wait, that already happenned.

TosaGuy said...

You're welcome.

Pogo said...

Is the entire game online anywhere?

Tridad said...

We could probably save a lot of aggravation and make everybody happy if we create a new State from the south end of Chicago to the North end of Madison and lump the pro-public sector democrats together.

Let upper WI be a state and let Downstate IL be a state.

Everyone wins.

Curious George said...

Has there ever been an instance of voices counter to the recallers NOT being faced with ugliness?

How awesome is LHS! Awesome win, and awesome display at the Capitol. One of those kids has more class than everyone of the lazy ass selfish fucks that protest and sing at the Capitol.

"edutcher said...
Well, I guess there's hope for WI."

I see similar statements made here on Althouse all the time. Again, please do not confuse "Madison" with Wisconsin. This crap does not go on all over the state. Assholes like garage, while the rule in Madison, are the exception elsewhere.

garage mahal said...

I see similar statements made here on Althouse all the time. Again, please do not confuse "Madison" with Wisconsin. This crap does not go on all over the state. Assholes like garage, while the rule in Madison, are the exception elsewhere

You keep saying that even though you know it's not true. Every county in Wisconsin turned in recall petitions. Two Repub senators got recalled outside Madison, and three Dem senators were reelected outside Madison. But you are a perfect example of a Walker supporter. You lie as easily as you breathe.

Hoosier Daddy said...

So when is this recall going to take place?

Do you guys even have a candidate yet?

rcommal said...

Hooray for Sam!

Curious George said...

" garage mahal said...

You keep saying that even though you know it's not true. Every county in Wisconsin turned in recall petitions. Two Repub senators got recalled outside Madison, and three Dem senators were reelected outside Madison. But you are a perfect example of a Walker supporter. You lie as easily as you breathe."

I wasn't referring to opposition to Walker Corky. I was talking about the non-stop thuggish behavior on permanent display at the Capitol.

You're an idiot.

Curious George said...

"Hoosier Daddy said...
So when is this recall going to take place?

Do you guys even have a candidate yet?"

Primaries in May, election in June. They have two declared candidates. Kathleen Falk, three time state wide loser. And Kathleen Vinehout, a stuttering lefty idiot transplant from Illinois. All that work. And they get this. So sad. Too bad.

Christopher in MA said...

We encountered a flock of strange flightless birds. Walker supporters!

If there's justice in this world, you'll be choking on those words come November.

Christopher in MA said...

Correction - June and November. Thanks, Curious.

John Stodder said...

You keep saying that even though you know it's not true. Every county in Wisconsin turned in recall petitions.

Interesting admission, garage. The recall petitions were all organized by assholes? The "We Will Fuck You Up" crowd?

Even I wouldn't have gone that far. I assume there are some non-thugs among the recall supporters. But you seem to admire the thugs, and want everyone to believe they are everywhere in your state.

I suspect that kind of rhetoric has awakened a lot of decent people in WI, and they are about to school you.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Sounds like that's going to be some recall election.

Wasn't Feingold thinking of running? I would have thought he would have made a better showing.

John Stodder said...

Feingold, a decent man, probably wants no part of the mud-wrestle the unions in WI are staging.

He'll be back to pick up the pieces of the Democratic party after this dubious battle is over.

BarrySanders20 said...

Hoosier,

The D candidate is the dim-witted Kathleen Falk, a Madison lefty so caught up in the chanting that she already promised the public unions that she would not sign a budget into law until public sector collective bargaining was restored. In return, the unions promised support to her instead of the other interested D's in a magnificient display of overt quid pro quo.

Personally, she has a minor lisp that begins to grate after you realize that you can't ignore it when she speaks.

The only interesting prt now is whether Walker wins the recall by a larger margin than he won the governor's race.

Go IU. I'd love to see Kentucky fall again.

Michael Haz said...

Great post, Althouse!

Pogo said...

Walker was repeatedly saying big-government-unions as one long word in an interview yesterday.

Good idea.

He also pointed out that a lot of the protest (and money) was "bused in from outta state"

Original Mike said...

"Blah! It never ends."

Yeah, no kidding.

James said...

You'd be mistaken to think that the displays in Madison are indicative of what's occurring in the rest of the state.

Even in Racine, which is a strong union town, there's heavy support for Walker. I've seen several city blocks where the buildings all display signs favoring Walker. Here's one, every house on the block has a Walker or Wanggaard sign:http://i.imgur.com/rZvfw.jpg

I also saw this bumper sticker last Thursday: http://i.imgur.com/22U3T.jpg

Scott said...

Pogo, it might eventually end up here.

I know all the state swim events were there, although now they seem inaccessible, so maybe they expire after a while. All I can find there now basketball-wise are semifinals.

garage mahal said...

He also pointed out that a lot of the protest (and money) was "bused in from outta state"
.


Madison thugs, errr, I mean out of state thugs! You ever get tired of getting buffaloed like that, or is it you just don't mind the nonstop lying?

Here I thought Van Susteren was live in Milwaukee to announce a major update in the John Doe case, like a real journalist might do. Nope. A great big platform was given to Walker to try and drag him over the finish line.

"How great are you?"
How great are your reforms"?

LOL

Meade said...

Hoosier Daddy said...
So when is this recall going to take place?
Do you guys even have a candidate yet?


Sort of.

TCB-n-a-Flash said...

I'm crying tears of joy again...

Chuck66 said...

"And Kathleen Vinehout, a stuttering lefty idiot transplant from Illinois."

I have family in her district. This lady is a piece of work. Very angry. Hate private schools, especially Catholic schools. We have an Illinois leftwinger representing moderate western Wisconsin.

Oh, and her husband was a Blago advisor in Illinois.

Scott M said...

Oh, and her husband was a Blago advisor in Illinois.

Well, THAT'S not going to pass Garage's guilty-by-association threshold, surely.

Chuck66 said...

Scott....its amazing that it just first came out now (about her close Blago connection), and that it is being ignored by MSM.

Actually that would be a good AA thread.

I ♥ Willard said...

So some students from a private religious high school in Sheboygan made a show of supporting Walker. There's a surprise.

I ♥ Willard said...

By the way, by the standards of east coast basketball, the defense on the final possession by LHS was poor.

Michael said...

I suppose the "private school" religious kids dont count as human voices in the world of some commenters who routinely display their contempt for the redneck and hillbilly. Which kind of human being is recognized in the progressive world as deserving of a hearing? Do progressives use their faith to cover for their poor educations or are they ashamed of their hick parents? It has to be one or the other because they are clearly not products of private schools where disciplined action and thought are required.

Scott M said...

By the way, by the standards of east coast basketball, the defense on the final possession by LHS was poor.

I ♥ Willard finds a way to criticize the religious school. There's a surprise.

Curious George said...

"Scott M said...
Oh, and her husband was a Blago advisor in Illinois.

Well, THAT'S not going to pass Garage's guilty-by-association threshold, surely."

Haha. garage actually prefers her. He finds her "smart and personable" and tries to pass he off as a "A dairy farmer from Alma" Of course she isn't a diary farmer anymore, and while she lives in Alma, she isn't from Alma. She has only lived in WI seven years.

garage mahal said...

Oh, and her husband was a Blago advisor in Illinois.

No he wasn't. Chuck66 likes to tell tall tales. This is another.

Scott M said...

No he wasn't. Chuck66 likes to tell tall tales. This is another.

Is that "No he wasn't." in the "If you like your healthcare, you'll be able to keep it" sense, or in the sense that her husband literally wasn't an advisor to Blago?

Hoosier Daddy said...

LIES!!! ALL LIES!!!!

garage mahal said...

Is that "No he wasn't." in the "If you like your healthcare, you'll be able to keep it" sense, or in the sense that her husband literally wasn't an advisor to Blago?

As in "No, Vinehout's husband was not an advisor to Blago". Seem simple enough to understand?

Scott M said...

As in "No, Vinehout's husband was not an advisor to Blago". Seem simple enough to understand?

This coming from the guy who claimed Gore's house was "greener" than GW's.

garage mahal said...

Hahahahah!!!!!!

Patrick said...

Garage: Let's let the candidate speak for her husband:

http://kathleenvinehout.org/2012/03/what-connection-did-sen-vinehouts-husband-have-to-illinios/.

The Doug Kane worked for Governor Blagojovich's OMB for three months.

Do you suppose that the Governor chose Doug Kane's name from a hat? As a former state legislator, do you suppose that was the only contact they'd had? Possible, I suppose, though not really plausible.

Now, that doesn't mean that Doug Kane helped Blago try to sell the IL Senate seat. But to say he was not an advisor when the candidate's website states otherwise is arguing semantics or misleading.

garage mahal said...

But to say he was not an advisor when the candidate's website states otherwise is arguing semantics or misleading.

The candidates website says no such thing. He was a consultant on tax policy for the Illinois Office of Management and Budget for three months. If this weren't so stupid it would be amusing. But, I can only go to war with the right wing I have, not the one I wished I had!

Patrick said...

Let me help you with that, Garage:

"During a three month period in early 2007, he worked 283 hours under contract for the Illinois Governor’s Office of Management and Budget on tax and budget issues."

This comes from the same link. The title of that page, under FAQ is: Was Senator Vinehout's husband connected to Blagojevich. Had the answer been "No" certainly, they would have written "No."

You called it the "Illinois Office of Management and Budget." I find that interesting. It would have been easier to cut and paste from Senator Vinehout's own website.

But then, you'd have been stuck calling it the Illinois GOVERNOR'S Office of Management and Budget. (emphasis added by me). You know, like Senator Vinehout did.

Why leave out "Governor?" Just curious.

Patrick said...

You can only go to war with the job he had, not the one you wish he had!

I ♥ Willard said...

I suppose the "private school" religious kids dont count as human voices in the world of some commenters who routinely display their contempt for the redneck and hillbilly.

I didn't realize that hillbillies attend school, much less private school. Althouse readers are full of "special knowledge."

I ♥ Willard said...

I ♥ Willard finds a way to criticize the religious school.

Well, no, actually, but thanks for your official entry in today's poor reading comprehension contest.

Good luck and have a great day. :)

Alex said...

The difference between the right and left is that the right doesn't glorify politicians. So garage - if you don't see many pro-Walker protesters it's because we just aren't into protesting. We have jobs and shit to do.

Alex said...

Notice how every Republican is either a liar, corrupt or otherwise nefarious. But every liberal is a stalwart supporter of justice, clean as the driven snow.

Right garage?

garage mahal said...

I forgot what I'm supposed to be responding. Honestly. Doug Kane owns a consulting business that specializes in economic and public policy issues. He was hired under contract for 3 months to analyze gross tax receipts.

Scott M said...

Doug Kane owns a consulting business that specializes in economic and public policy issues. He was hired under contract for 3 months to analyze gross tax receipts.

Your contention then, if I understand you correctly, is that a private consultant cannot be considered an adviser to a politician. Correct?

Patrick said...

"He was hired" Love the passive voice. Was hired by whom? The Governor. Rod Blogojevich. Mr. Kane even happened to pen a Chicago Tribune editorial in favor of the Governor's "Gross Receipts Tax."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-02-27/news/0702270016_1_gross-receipts-tax-share-of-state-taxes-income


Like I said earlier, that doesn't necessarily mean he was a bad guy. It means that a bad guy hired him once. Both he and his wife can say that, and probably should, rather than pretending there is no association.

Fen said...

Garage: I forgot what I'm supposed to be responding to

You were about to whitewash your brownshirt buddies threats of violence against Althouse.

These are your people, Garage. What's your excuse this time?

Fen said...

"Look! Squirrel!"

garage mahal said...

Like I said earlier, that doesn't necessarily mean he was a bad guy.

You were about to whitewash your brownshirt buddies threats of violence against Althouse.

These are your people, Garage. What's your excuse this time?

You guys are seriously too much. Just fucking mental cases.

garage mahal said...

Actually I take that last comment back about Patrick. Sorry. Your argument is still loony as hell though.

Patrick said...

My argument is loony? I said he was an advisor to the Governor and base that on the fact that his wife states that he worked for the Governor’s Office of Management and Budget. In what world is that loony?

MadisonMan said...

the right doesn't glorify politicians.

Reagan?

Patrick said...

But no apology necessary, Garage. When I'm wrong or say something stupid, the statement speaks for itself, and name calling won't make it worse. When I'm right, it works in the reverse.

garage mahal said...

My argument is loony? I said he was an advisor to the Governor and base that on the fact that his wife states that he worked for the Governor’s Office of Management and Budget. In what world is that loony?

Kane's company was hired on contract to do the work on gross tax receipts analysis, not Kane himself, therefore he was not an adviser to Blago.

He worked for an OMB office for the state.

You don't know who hired him.

If Kane's company wasn't hired, another similar to his would have, to do the tax work.

If Kane was an adviser, so were the thousands of firms hired by hundreds of state agencies and departments.

Shootist said...

"MadisonMan said...

the right doesn't glorify politicians.

Reagan?"

Reagan (neocon-CA) may not have been a Humphrey or Mondale Liberal, but he supported the New Deal, Gun Control and an expanded reading of the commerce clause. Just like any good Liberal.

It's all in the packaging.

Scott M said...

By the way, by the standards of east coast basketball, the defense on the final possession by LHS was poor.

How is that not a backhanded critique of LHS? I don't have a video to look at, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

Your sentence could be taken in two different ways.

First, if the opposing team was on defense, they were poor by east coast standards, or, a back-handed way of saying LHS' offense could not compete with east coast standards.

Second, the opposing team had the last possession you mentioned, meaning LHS' defense was not up to east coast standards.

Either way, it appears you wanted to go out of your way to the religious school's team.

Scott M said...

Should have read "denigrate the religious school's team."

MadisonMan said...

There's a video out there where the defender is quoted as saying the last time they'd played Dekker, he'd put up -- and missed -- a whole boatload of threes.

I think enticing people to take bad shots is good defense in the long run. In this case, however, Dekker found the basket.

Jason said...

Sounds like that's going to be some recall election.

Wasn't Feingold thinking of running? I would have thought he would have made a better showing.


Feingold is making too much money right now making speeches and lecturing at colleges to bother with an election.

Feingold will go the route of Tommy Thompson did after he left the Bush administration - take a few years off from politics, make a pile of money on the lecture circuit and in the private sector, and then re-enter politics at some point when its advantageous for him.

Jsok said...

Rarely am I able to make it to the end of the comments on Althouse. What makes some Wisconsinites so argumentative? For that matter, why are they upset enough to carry on those ugly demonstrations for months? They seem to have it pretty good. I live a thousand miles from Madison, but I visited the city once and it's clear just by looking around that the state is quite wealthy and has been for a very long time. Really, is there anything besides a bit of chilly weather to complain about up there?

I ♥ Willard said...

How is that not a backhanded critique of LHS? I don't have a video to look at, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong. In the future, considering your track record, it will be far more efficient if I tell you when you're right.

Your sentence could be taken in two different ways.

No, not really, but go on...

First, if the opposing team was on defense, they were poor by east coast standards, or, a back-handed way of saying LHS' offense could not compete with east coast standards.

My statement was very clear. It specifically addresses the last possession by LHS; therefore the opposing team was on defense.

If you watch the video, you'll see the defensive tactics and execution were poor. Actually, they were shockingly poor. Considering this was a statewide high school championship game, the standard of defensive play on that possession was well below the standard of play in most east coast states.

Second, the opposing team had the last possession you mentioned, meaning LHS' defense was not up to east coast standards.

o_O

Either way, it appears you wanted to go out of your way to the religious school's team.

Your comment represents a really pathetic attempt to try to find an insult you can tie to religion. Face it--Wisconsin high school basketball isn't particularly good. Maybe you can try to link that statement to a perceived anti-cheese bias. Good luck.

MadisonMan said...

What makes some Wisconsinites so argumentative?

What do you mean by this statement?

I ♥ Willard said...

What do you mean by this statement?

It probably refers to some of the Althouse readers. There does seem to be a particularly angry group of people who leave comments on this blog.

Patrick said...

How the hell does one become an expert on "the standard of defensive play for most east coast states?" Unless you're a college basketball recruiter, this statement has no credibility.

I ♥ Willard said...

Unless you're a college basketball recruiter, this statement has no credibility.

So a basketball coach has no credibility? Nor does a former college basketball player? o_O

Honestly, I don't understand why some Althouse readers feel obliged to leave utterly ridiculous comments that reveal how poorly informed they are.

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