August 30, 2011

Greta Van Susteren asks if anyone is demanding that Justices Prosser and Bradley step down.

"Are any of the newspaper asking for them to step down? People have very serious disputes and their whole lives depend on decisions on the Supreme Court, and this isn't fair to the people. Are newspaper editors saying they got to go?"

The answer from her guest, Jason Stein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:
You are right this is sort of funny, but no joke. One thing that I've heard the time when this all came out Governor Walker talked about the possibility of having an appointed rather than elected court. And that didn't go anywhere. It didn't seem like that proposal -- seems like it would be dead on arrival in our legislature. But certainly there's been a number of people saying, look, this can't go on. Something has got to change.
Total failure to answer the question!

Should Prosser and/or Bradley resign?
Yes. Both.
Yes. Bradley.
Yes. Prosser.
Yes. Prosser, Bradley, and at least one more.
Yes. They should all resign!
No. Keep them all. Move on.



  
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By the way, I'm hearing a rumor that Justice Crooks might resign. I don't know what that's about, but I was just reading about the 1995 election that originally brought Justice Bradley to the court. She defeated none other than Patrick Crooks in that election, and Crooks (who later won election, in 1996), was the conservative in the race, with the backing of Gov. Tommy Thompson and many Republicans. Bradley had the liberal backing, including the AFL-CIO. Both candidates portrayed themselves as "strict constructionists," and Bradley emphasized judicial independence and the importance of keeping the judiciary above politics. Crooks criticized her for her unwillingness to talk about how she would decide even cases that had been decided in the past. (Sorry for the absence of links there. I'm reading old newspaper articles, and they are not up on line.)

Crooks — who now votes in a bloc with Chief Justice Abrahamson and Justice Bradley, reaching liberal outcomes — called himself "the conservative for the court." When Bradley cited judicial ethics as her reason for refusing to address the issues, he said, after he lost: "I think it's unfortunate we didn't have a chance to show there was a clear, ideological difference between the two of us... It's important for the public to have a sense of candidates' judicial philosophy and how they go about making decisions." Bradley, by contrast, said she won because she refrained from labeling herself and Crooks did not. She said: "I think people ended up not wanting those kinds of conservative labels in a Supreme Court race... You have to be careful not to politicize the court."

A mere 3 years after joining the court, in 1999, Crooks considered resigning. He told the editorial board of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the problem was the “way Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson is running the court.... abusing her position by micromanaging the court system, making unilateral decisions on administrative matters that should come to the full court, and jeopardizing the court’s neutrality by awarding grants to groups with lobbyists and social agendas."

Crooks, you may remember, was the only justice who was not present for the "chokehold" incident. He had gone home for the day. On another occasion — in 2008, when Justice Bradley allegedly hit Justice Gableman in the head for calling the Chief "Shirley" — Crooks was — allegedly — reading the horoscopes. Crooks was born May 16, 1938. That makes him a Taurus. It says here: "Can you take the day off? Now is the perfect time to do just that. If you’re locked in for some level of responsibility, you can still make the most of your freewheeling energy by creating a party atmosphere." So... no announcement today, probably.

ADDED: From the investigative file (and relevant to Crooks's attitude toward the recent incident):
Justice Crooks said early in his tenure as Supreme Court Justice, he recalls a meeting in which Justice Prosser had called him a "viper" in an aggressive manner. Justice Crooks believed it was sometime around the fall of 1999 when Chief Justice Abrahamson was running for re-election for supreme court. Justice Crooks said he was not supporting her re-election at the time, and Justice Prosser was. It was during a meeting with the other Justices that Justice Crooks stated he was not going to support the Chief Justice's re-election. Justice Prosser had stood up and aggressively called him a "viper" during that meeting because he was not supporting the Chief Justice.  Justice Crooks recalled Justice Prosser had walked out of the room, and slammed the door hard enough to cause the glass to vibrate.    Justice Crooks said he had never forgotten that incident, and believes since then things have been either just as aggressive from Justice Prosser, and in some cases they have escalated.

174 comments:

Random Arrow said...

Classic Althouse. Ann, thanks. For your blog work generally. This kind in particular.

Carol_Herman said...

Wisconsin "could" do a recall, no?

Then, recalls would become more famous than cheese!

Anyway, a long time ago there was a TV series called DALLAS. Or DYNASTY. And, they had a season end ... where Larry Hagman (?) ... who was Helen Hayes' son in real life ... gets killed. (Where the character gets killed.)

Oh, well. Starting again in October, Larry Hagman's still there. But the writers came up with "that was only a dream" sequence.

I'm sure by now ... that all the colleagues, together, realize the "choke hold" drama did not work.

Oh. And, Mark Bradley added a tidbit to the media ... saying his wife cries a lot. Two to three minute spurts. Before she can collect herself, again.

While "grandma's" mask has been tacked on. And, she's gonna have to come up ... when the Wisconsin Supreme's next season begins ... with some sort of "collegiate agreement."

If there were blackboards in the various chambers ... We'd probably see Bradley tasked with writing her "I'll never do that, again," sentence on the blackboard. Hundreds of times.

Crooks, meanwhile may resign. So the appetite to see if that's handled by a "special election," or a governor's appointment ... will probably be the season opener, ahead.

I'm with Cbolt. Everybody PUNTS.

Mogget said...

Geez. Does the drama never end? Does no one associated with Wisconsin's state government just shut up and do their job?

Random Arrow said...

Carol - "Then, recalls would become more famous than cheese!"

Hahaha .. Carol, I can't do you right now .. I've got work!

My "word verification" just now is -- "being"

That's what I've got. I've got some -- "being" -- not working to do! ... I'm outta this cheap joint ...

Original Mike said...

"in 2008, when Justice Bradley allegedly hit Justice Gableman in the head for calling the Chief "Shirley""

Really? Wow.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Professor you claimed in the bike thread below you pay $13,000 in property taxes. Unless that third zero is a typo, I'd say you're getting totally screwed if this is what your state had to show for it.

Original Mike said...

"Justice Crooks recalled Justice Prosser had walked out of the room, and slammed the door hard enough to cause the glass to vibrate."

What is wrong with these people?

traditionalguy said...

Holding the Supreme Court to Non-Political Standards is a Walt Disney World Fantasyland.

The Supremes can over rule the standing laws that protect property rights from the collectivist's dreams almost at will.

Therefore the Supreme Court majority is the first place a Re-distributor goes for power.

Original Mike said...

Hoosier - It's not a typo.

And the libs think we aren't taxed enough.

traditionalguy said...

Showing anger is showing a truthful emotion.

The standard is whether the anger does wrong to anyone.

But the super manipulators can save up anecdotes that someone was "Out of control" to slander them.

Crooks needs to quit playing games and go to the house.

Dustin said...

The whole court sounds broken.

I no longer think they should keep it private. Let everyone know all about how dramatic they are.

I bet most McDonalds in Madison are run with more dignity and professionalism, and the people deserve to know that.

They should simply shut down this court. Let the lower courts work out a way to settle different interpretations.

WI needs a complete fresh start. It's time for a major reform, and I think a new final court filled with governor appointmees that are approved by a bipartisan committee and then voted on by the legislature.

This is ridiculous.

S said...

Neither should resign, but based on what I've been reading, Bradley is right that Prosser should go to anger management - he seems to need it almost as much as she does.

Get them together with some of the protesters you've been taping. Maybe they can get a group discount.

Writ Small said...

Who should? Both. Bradley for charging with fists raised and involving law enforcement in the "chokegate" incident she provoked. Prosser for a documented pattern of childish antics including name calling, door slamming, and temper tantrums.

Who is more deserving of a forced resignation? Bradley, by a wide margin.

Who will resign or be forced to resign? Neither.

J Allen said...

I'm with Carol and Mogget. I wish I could cry a bit everyday too but since I'm getting ready for another tour in a combat zone that just doesn't set a good leadership example.

ndspinelli said...

The "rumor" is just that. Virtually all Justices hold on as long as possible..it's their identity, not just their profession. This guy is no different.

Original Mike said...

"WI needs a complete fresh start. It's time for a major reform, and I think a new final court filled with governor appointmees that are approved by a bipartisan committee and then voted on by the legislature."

Horrible idea (with all due respect).

Skyler said...

You guys in Wisconsin have some serious problems.

I suspect if more of your lawyers had to take a bar exam you might have better quality judges.

Curious George said...

"Hoosier Daddy said...
Professor you claimed in the bike thread below you pay $13,000 in property taxes. Unless that third zero is a typo, I'd say you're getting totally screwed if this is what your state had to show for it."

Most of it goes to Madison, and all of it (and a whole lot more) comes from state taxpayers so I really don't think she can complain.

Tank said...

At only $13,000 per year you're definitely getting good value for your entertainment dollar.

Henry said...

WI needs a complete fresh start.

Canada needs a new province. There you go.

Skyler said...

Is there any reason why the justices have to ever be in the same room except to hear oral arguments? Are even oral arguments absolutely necessary? I think these people should never talk to each other ever and just stay in their offices . . . preferably in different buildings.

Mark O said...

Can they disband the Court?

Original Mike said...

and all of it (and a whole lot more) comes from state taxpayers"

Not sure what you mean. About 1/2 of the property tax bill goes to the City and about 1/2 to Madison schools, with smaller percetages going to other entities (county, vocational school, the state).

edutcher said...

"Justice Prosser had called him a "viper" in an aggressive manner"

Somebody help me here, how does one call someone else a "viper" in an unaggressive manner?

Original Mike said...

"in 2008, when Justice Bradley allegedly hit Justice Gableman in the head for calling the Chief "Shirley""

Really? Wow.


...and don't call me, "Surely".

Pogo said...

Clinton did not resign the Presidency despite sperm spattered on Monica's dress.

Representative Wiener set the bar for modern US Democrat resignations:
A self-portrait photo, in your underwear, with a boner.

Lacking a photo, phallus, or fluid, Bradley is safe.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

"Professor you claimed in the bike thread below you pay $13,000 in property taxes. Unless that third zero is a typo, I'd say you're getting totally screwed if this is what your state had to show for it."

So (assuming the google worked re Madison rates), her place is assessed at about $580M. That seems about right of a lawprof.

Being to lazy to look up housing values, I can only assume that half a million and change buys a fairly nice place in Madison.

Original Mike said...

"Canada needs a new province."

DEAL!

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

of or for

Original Mike said...

"I can only assume that half a million and change buys a fairly nice place in Madison."

A lot of what it buys is location.

MadisonMan said...

Property taxes jumped 8+% last year in Madison. I'm curious to see what happens this year.

PETER V. BELLA said...

Sounds like the whole Wisconsin Supreme court is a nest of vipers.

bagoh20 said...

I have worked with hundreds of people over the years in the business environment, and often issues are serious enough to have devastating affects on peoples' livelihoods and their families' futures, yet I have never seen people treat each other like this over disagreements at their job. The only people I know who act like this are children and drunks. Do they serve tequila at the court?

It just reinforces what I've learned through experience: that education, and credentials are nearly worthless in evaluating a person's character, or surprisingly, even their ability to do most jobs effectively, since most require the ability to work together and be honest and unemotional in your thinking.

This is most disappointing in a supreme court. The average citizen jury could probably do a better job with a lot less wasted paper and animus. Hell, a Jerry Springer audience could do it with less animus.

Curious George said...

"MadisonMan said...
Property taxes jumped 8+% last year in Madison. I'm curious to see what happens this year."

Walker froze property taxes for two years. RECALL!

Original Mike said...

"Walker froze property taxes for two years. RECALL!"

Garage, did you steal CG's account?

DADvocate said...

Somebody help me here, how does one call someone else a "viper" in an unaggressive manner?

I bet Titus knows how.

Original Mike said...

Of course, that's chump change compared to MM's salary cut.

MadisonMan said...

Walker froze property taxes for two years.

Really?

I very much doubt it.

I also want to know how Carol Herman could mix up J. R. and Bobby Ewing's storylines.

Lincolntf said...

"Viper", as in a snake in the grass? I can see how that would apply to a huge swath of the Mad-Lib (oooh, I like that one) crowd.

phx said...

Just because you feel emotions and they are "truthful" doesn't mean you should show them.

Most of the time we shouldn't even be feeling anger. I know some people believe that it's a motivator but it also gets in the way of thinking clearly, which should be motivation enough.

t-man said...

Pogo -

Slight mistake on your part. The "Weiner Bar" is worse than you wrote. It actually took a picture without the underwear to get him to resign.

Dustin said...

"Horrible idea (with all due respect)."

No disrespect taken.

I don't like the philosopher king model at all. I think the federally appointed judges and justices are not performing very well, especially at the top. Little abuses turn into huge antidemocratic errors that we are stuck with for centuries.

On the other hand, WI's way is just terrible.

I'm trying to think of a least-bad solution. Term limited appointees is one.

Some sort of reform seems necessary, but it's not my state. Texas elects her judges, and we certainly have our share of problems (Keller) but nothing like this, IMO.

Kathy said...

Bradley has to go - she broke this story through Bill Lueders at his Soros funded media outlet....this is how we found out what happened.

Human Events calls for Bradley to resign today:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=45855

Back in March, law blogger Jonathan Turley posts an email from Justice Roggenstack where she asks Justice Bradley to seek anger management.

http://jonathanturley.org/2011/03/22/wisconsin-supreme-court-erupts-into-name-calling-and-finger-pointing/

Calypso Facto said...

Walker froze property taxes for two years.

Really? I very much doubt it.


Believe it. Property taxes are held to zero except for additions due to new construction.

Madison Metro Schools and the City of Madison will be pinched after rushing through new employment contracts without the benefits savings provided by the new budget bill.

garage mahal said...

Of course, that's chump change compared to MM's salary cut.


Be glad you're not a New Berlin teacher about now. Walker's "tools" starting to kick in around the state. What a disgrace.

EDH said...

Justice Crooks said early in his tenure as Supreme Court Justice, he recalls a meeting in which Justice Prosser had called him a "viper" in an aggressive manner.

You'd think that "Crooks" would be bad enough as it is.

hoop said...

Wait. So there's actually a scenario in play (even if tenuous) that could have both Crooks and Bradley leave the court with Scott Walker making the appointments? Two (or three if Prosser leaves as well) new presumably conservative justices?

A 6-1 split, where the 1 is the Chief Justice?

/dearSantamakethishappen

//I'mmaneedabiggertubofpopcorn

Lincolntf said...

MadisonMan, of course you can't believe it. You've sealed your mind against anything positive the GOP does. Epitome of a drone.

Calypso Facto said...

Be glad you're not a Milwaukee teacher about now. Laid off before Walker's "tools" start to kick in around the state. What a disgrace.

FTFY

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

Property taxes jumped 8+% last year in Madison. I'm curious to see what happens this year.

I guess that's up to Madison. Did they extend collective bargaining contracts for their public employees or did they take full advantage of the new law?

murgatroyd666 said...

I also want to know how Carol Herman could mix up J. R. and Bobby Ewing's storylines.

MadMan, it's time to admit that Carol is smarter and better educated than you are.

Yeah, there was Bobby Ewing coming back after the "dream season." But in the last episode of Dallas -- the one with Joel Grey, in a takeoff of It's A Wonderful Life -- J.R. Ewing apparently commits suicide. She was referecing the "dream season" when she asked how the writers would account for J.R.'s reappearance.

Here ya go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0GmvctvEb0

You can apologize to her now ...

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

Both should step down. I also think an ethics investigation should be conducted to determine whether any justices leaked stories in an attempt to undermine the reelection campaigns of their colleagues. Any justice participating in this type of political maneuvering should also step down

MikeR said...

Okay. Enough. They should all resign.

SteveR said...

Be glad you're not a New Berlin teacher about now. Walker's "tools" starting to kick in around the state.

Yeah they need to look for better jobs.

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Lincolntf said...

WTF Has Prosser done to warrant him stepping down? Nothing.

Calypso Facto said...

PS- Crooks office now saying that he's not going anywhere.

Dustin said...

"Be glad you're not a New Berlin teacher about now. Walker's "tools" starting to kick in around the state. What a disgrace."

I don't get it. We know now that Walker's reforms saved the jobs of so many WI teachers.

So a few union shills don't get ridiculous and unfair compensation. So what? Who cares (other than them)?

I'd rather have more teachers paid a fair wage than a few elites paid too much while the system fails and the state runs out of money.

What's so hard to understand about that?

Walker is the best thing to happen to WI since beer.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Before watching m...666's clip I'd never seen a moment of Dallas.

That show looks horrible.

I must have checked the youtube counter two dozen times. It seemed like it was never-ending. Boooooring!

Maybe this show as targeted at the oldie demo. Or it could have been aimed at women (who wanted a nighttime dope opera).

Maybe this horrible show was the result of the networks dominating the tube.

I dunno.

AllenS said...

Maybe there's nothing wrong with Prosser. His outbursts could be caused by the assholes that he has to work with. Get rid of them, and the problem might just go away.

AJ Lynch said...

Failed cities, overcommitted states, almost bankrupt country, and a petty, bickering, childish state supreme court- sounds like a lot of people should be resigning [yes I know I sound like a broken record].

traditionalguy said...

Leave them both alone and wait until a real cause for sanctions arises.

The easy way out is to take the attacker and the attacked and sanctioning them both for "bothering us."

Justice is deserved for men and women at the Justices level too. So far nothing but campaign slanders for political consumption has been churned out by Opposition Fiction researchers.

Dan Rather may be moonlighting in a boarded up cheese factory.

Carol_Herman said...

I think, Crooks, who daily reads the horoscope ... should have his decisions put under a microscope. Just in case there's a "pattern" to the way he thinks the heavens are dictating "outcomes."

As to all the others ... I think they should have medics come in ... and show them how to do the Heimlich maneuver ...

Just in case, in the future, someone actually gags.

As to Crooks and "hearing the glass vibrate" ... I think it shows his hearing's still good. Even though his judgment left his head long ago.

What happened to the "Crooks resignation rumor?" Too good to be true?

How come Greta didn't try to interview Bradley? Didn't Bradley say she "could go around this court, and outside it's circle of influence?"

For Greta that would mean people might actually tune in her show and watch?

For good measure ... she could then have on Donald Trump. Who'd come out and say "You're Fired."

But we all know when you're elected to office examples abound that we're gonna get stuck.

Voting is not like buying stuff at Macy's! No complaint windows. And, no place to return anything.

(Punting's going on in the backround. Wish I could remember how players "punt?") Do they crouch first?

Bradley could scream: "He crouched first! And, then he sprang up.")

Or she could say: "I swallowed a ball. And, I'm choking.")

David Letterman can come along and give her his 10 best excuses.

Carol_Herman said...

J Allen @12:54 PM

Be safe. Good luck. Come home soon.

Triangle Man said...

Walker promised property tax freezes and Politifact says the promise has been kept. The Legislature passed a freeze with a "sunset" provision, but Walker vetoed the limitation making the change permanent.

J said...

Lord Prosser should not just "step down". He should be brought down, and put on trial for assaulting a middle aged petite woman (about 5-3, approx. 150 lbs).

Carol_Herman said...

Well, I'm sorry to learn Crooks isn't leaving.

Maybe, though, tomorrow's horoscope will pass along a better hint?

As to Ethics Violations ... how do they test for this?

Is it like they used to do with brides? That on the wedding night she bled onto the sheets. And, the next morning, as proof that she had been a virgin ... The sheet's hung out the window to flap in the wind?

I don't think politicians could find "ethics." Because it would be like trying to put back the skin after a circumcision ...

No can do.

And, you don't have to have "them" to get a job. As a matter of fact, people without ethics have better resumes! They have the finest credentials that you can imagine.

Butter doesn't melt in their mouths.

Meade said...

Today's Horoscope for December 17 Sagittarius, The Archer:

If you have been struggling to find a way to address a sensitive issue with a powerful person, surely today you will get the kick in the pants you need (or the stiff bop on the noggin, as it were). Someone you don't know very well could serve as inspiration, so follow their actions and do like they do. Lean on them for insight on how to approach the situation. If you use all your energy to work on this task, surely you have a very high probability of being able to make a positive impression and put a lot of negative things behind you.

And remember: When the Brewers are in the seventh inning, and the national champion Badger women’s hockey team aligns their wingers; then the Packers will rule (again) the National Football League, and love will surely steer the court.

Steve Koch said...

Larry Hagman's mother was Mary Martin, not Helen Hayes.

Maguro said...

Lord Prosser should not just "step down". He should be brought down, and put on trial for assaulting a middle aged petite woman (about 5-3, approx. 150 lbs).

Bradley may be "petite", but she's wiry - I heard she can bench press 400 lbs. Prosser wouldn't mess with someone like that, it's absurd.

traditionalguy said...

J...Have you ever assaulted a middle age petite woman about 5'3'' and probably only a wiry strong 120 lbs ?

They can deck you. Fast beats big every time.

garage mahal said...

Fun fact:
Abrahamson heard a case with Greta Van Susteren's father in 1990 for delinquent taxes. Might explain some of the animosity towards her?

Henry said...

Let's get one thing straight:

"Petite" is not a synonym for "Short"

chickenlittle said...

garage wrote: Abrahamson heard a case with Greta Van Susteren's father in 1990 for delinquent taxes.

Got linky for your fun fact? I'm curious about the facts involved.

SGT Ted said...

And J the progg shows up to demand a USSR show trial for someone who didn't commit a crime.

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J said...

Trad. guy--don't you find it a bit amusing (sadly so) that all the the macho teabuggers have no problems siding with Prosser, a male who has a record of verbally abusing women, and who now is accused of assaulting Miss Bradley? Misogynists, or in tech. terms, punks, like their carny-in-chief, Rush Limblow. Politics aside, it's fairly obvious Prosser's got issues, and I doubt very much Miss Bradley would just have invented the story.

Real trial, sarge joto. Not a show trial. Just have Lord Prosser's victims testify.

garage mahal said...

Got linky for your fun fact?

Link

chickenlittle said...

@Meade: This is the dawning of the age of austerity...

Carol_Herman said...

Americans once held a healthier attitude towards our courts. And, judges really were held in high esteem.

Of course, in what I remember as the old days, it didn't take months to have a criminal case presented. And, in civil court you'd wait for a turn. But quite a number of cases got handled in one day.

Retired folk, (who didn't play chess in the park), would be the old-timers who hung around at courthouses. And, if juries were short ... they'd be approached and asked to serve.

Of course. Long ago. And, far away. Now.

But I thought the bedevilment of the system began when kids saw their mothers crying. And, suddenly they became the pawns in custody battles. I knew these kids would grow up feeling the courts stunk to high heavens.

And, that in reality there are no Perry Mason's. Faith got lost.

Here? People have even added a loss of religious faith to the list of losses. But I don't know.

I think we got the AGE OF REASON when the printing presses of Europe were able to put books into people's hands. And, this added to the discussions people then had.

The Internet? It sure is keeping us safe! Considering what happened to our media. (But the media's lost business. So the rule of thumb that satisfying customers ... has also been somewhat disproved.)

And, then? We got to Affirmative Action. Which should have been a great success. And, this, too, has not worked out.

I read a book about FDR's court. How all his appointments did not get along with each other. And, each one held a different point of view. Though the court, itself, became liberal. From that book I came away admiring Justice Black. But not Frankfurter. And, while Justice O'Douglas (sp?) was supposedly brilliant ... he got along with no one. And, used to take his court papers with him. And, go fishing.

The idea we now need teamwork "to get along?" I think that's terrible!

But you do need RESPECT. The people who "do it" ... need to develop a lot more respect for their colleagues. Not because it leads to arguments. IT SHOULD LEAD TO ARGUMENTS. But the arguments shouldn't involve idiots.

If we had doctors the way we have lawyers none of us would have good health! We've allowed the law to get corrupted ... becasue there's no price for playing politics.

And, we should also do "law" FASTER. Faster, please. What needs to change is the music.

What needs to grow (back) is a sense that we can respect those who are tasked to perform what goes on in our courtrooms.

This once existed. And, in my time it existed!

Sure. There was a judge I read about. Who had a desk. He'd push the front door towards the person sitting opposite at his desk. And, this person dropped money in.

CROOKS.

We've always had them.

But back then they didn't read horror-scopes.

(Meade that was wonderful of you to tell us what's in today's paper ... for Crooks. He wasn't a Christmas present. But I'm guessing he's born into the house Sagittarius. Oh, if we only had a House of Competence!)

Lombardi Chick said...

Maybe there's nothing wrong with Prosser. His outbursts could be caused by the assholes that he has to work with.

Was going to say: I doubt very much that Prosser is the only one on the court using words like "viper". Imagine what a couple of those beasts have been calling him.

Oh yeah..."buddy". I'm sure that's as harsh as she got. ///

Maguro said...

Trad. guy--don't you find it a bit amusing (sadly so) that all the the macho teabuggers have no problems siding with Prosser, a male who has a record of verbally abusing women, and who now is accused of assaulting Miss Bradley?

On the other hand, "Miss Bradley" has a record of physically assaulting men. Seems relevant, no?

Kirby Olson said...

I worry that whereas the Founders saw faction as normal, today many see only their faction as normal.

J said...

To a spineless punk like you Maggoturo perhaps. Not to normal males.

----

Lord Prosser has even admitted his verbal abuse: when the comments were first reported by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Prosser did not back away from his sexist slur, insisting: “I think it was entirely warranted” Instead of taking responsibility for his own actions Prosser blamed Abrahamson and fellow Justice Ann Walsh Bradley for being: “masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements.”

He was...goaded by those evil, petite middle aged lady-judges!! Society made him do it.

Lombardi Chick said...

Lord Prosser should not just "step down". He should be brought down, and put on trial for assaulting a middle aged petite woman (about 5-3, approx. 150 lbs).

8/30/11 2:45 PM



What does she get for charging at him with her fists raised? Anything? A cookie? A medal? Her likeness in giant paper mache puppet form?

Maguro said...

J - Did you miss the part where "Miss Bradley" came up behind Justice Gabelman and slapped him upside the head? I guess it's A-OK to hit people as long as you're "petite" and have suitably progressive views.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

"What does she get for charging at him with her fists raised?"

What did Prosser get after he (on video) angrily rushed at someone w/ his fist raised?

It looks like he secured a long run on the Court. Presumably this is SOP in WI. So, by WI "logic" Bradley deserves the same.

The only open question is what do you get when you put your hands on the neck of someone coming toward you w/ their fist raised. When Prosser did this the person in front of him decided against neck grabbage. So, this is uncharted water.

chickenlittle said...

@garage: Thanks. Wow, she seems to have a longer history of going after republican judges than I thought!

So was that a callow opinion in your opinion?

BTW, what was the R vs. D make-up of the court at the time?

Insufficiently Sensitive said...

Are newspaper editors saying they got to go?"

What makes Van Susteren think that newspaper editors - partisan hacks mostly - should have more weighty opinions than the voters who put those judges in office?

Kit said...

His outbursts could be caused by the assholes that he has to work with.

Sorry, but to blame someone else for our own outbursts, even if they are assholes, is irresponsible (not singling out anyone, here).

J said...

Scary--Miss Bradley, like 5-3, 140 lbs, if that, and Prosser an average-sized male, 6 inches taller, prob. 40 lbs heavier. A gent would just have stepped back, or laughed it off.. instead he slugs her (and probably applied neck hold).

Honor's important Lomb.-chick.This is just Rush Limblow hype ("Get Bradley!" probably went out on his l-serv and the teabugs now are repeating it ad nauseum).

Dustin said...

"What did Prosser get after he (on video) angrily rushed at someone w/ his fist raised?"

Nothing.

Deal with it. Being conservative is not a crime. Which is really what you're after. You realize your description is a lot of crap.

If Prosser were a democrat you wouldn't care, and if Bradley were a Republican you'd be bashing her relentlessly for her actual behavior (likely inflating it, too).

You're a fascist. All the people remaining who are bashing Prosser over democrat lies are simply trying to reach ideological purity.

Lucien said...

A single instance of touching a co-worker who advances upon you and causes you to reasonably believe they might strike you should not be a basis for losing one's job. So, IF that is what happened Prosser need not step down. Likewise, occasional expressions of temper over the course of a dozen years hardly warrant anger management.

chickenlittle said...

Carol_Herman said...
Americans once held a healthier attitude towards our courts. And, judges really were held in high esteem.
Of course, in what I remember as the old days, it didn't take months to have a criminal case presented. And, in civil court you'd wait for a turn. But quite a number of cases got handled in one day.


I hear you Carol. I remember old fashioned civics too when people voted for someone, instead of against their opponent.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

chicken,

I only skimmed her (w/ two others) opinion But, it looked like juries and lower courts found that the guy had violated the law.

Where specifically, in your opinion, did her opinion become partisan hackery?




"(likely inflating it, too).

You're a fascist."


Got the irony blinders on, huh?

Dustin said...

"Sorry, but to blame someone else for our own outbursts, even if they are assholes, is irresponsible (not singling out anyone, here)."

You're probably right, but it's not hard to imagine one of these idiots justifying an outburst.

If the outburst is justified, then it's possibly quite responsible. Some of these jurists are criminal thugs. Bradley for example is clearly a thug.

If someone is abusing their position, such as Crooks's claim about the Chief Justice, that could justify an outraged comment, especially in private.

Though we'll probably never know. So many lies.

Lombardi Chick said...

Scary--Miss Bradley, like 5-3, 140 lbs, if that, and Prosser an average-sized male, 6 inches taller, prob. 40 lbs heavier. A gent would just have stepped back, or laughed it off.. instead he slugs her (and probably applied neck hold).

Oh, he slugged her and "probably applied" a "neck hold" now? I don't even think she is claiming that, is she? She said she didn't feel any pressure, right? She never said anything about being "slugged", did she?

Can we stay in reality, please?

Cool how she lost ten pounds in the past ten minutes, though. That takes discipline.

chickenlittle said...

I only skimmed her (w/ two others) opinion But, it looked like juries and lower courts found that the guy had violated the law.

It looked to me that Wisconsin State Supreme Court upheld his appeal, no? Lower courts get overturned all the time don't they?

As far as partisan hackery, that's why I asked garage what the political make-up of the court was in 1990. I couldn't get it from the easy places.

But if you really want to talk partisan hackery, look no further than garage mahal's attempted hit job on Greta van Susteren.

Dustin said...

Scary--Miss Bradley, 15 years old Four feet tall, 23 lbs, blind, and a lifelong victim of the patriachy and Prosser, an NBA defensive linebacker for the NY Yankees, 7' 2", 380 pounds, legs covered in spiked armor.

A gent would just have stepped back, or laughed it off.. instead he kicks her repeatedly until she is dead, applies a defibrillator to revive her, and then waterboards her in pickle brine. (and probably applied neck hold).

traditionalguy said...

J ...You are quick and wiry yourself.

Yes, of course the rules for traditional gentlemen do not permit anything beyond acts of chivalry towards women in public.

But since WWII and Alinsky's book, politics has weaponized those rules for use against good men. So today we look usually beyond the preference rules for the Ladies and ask what really happened.

It is still good TV, though.

Lombardi Chick said...

What did Prosser get after he (on video) angrily rushed at someone w/ his fist raised?

Don't even know what you're talking about here. Didn't see it.

If you want to bother linking me up, I'll watch - but if it's the incident with the reporter chasing him around, that I've seen, and that would be a strange way to describe what happened there.

wv: unlib

Lombardi Chick said...

8/30/11 3:58 PM

L.M.A.O.

Dustin said...

"that would be a strange way to describe what happened there."

So he lied again. Big deal! Prosser is conservative. He doesn't deserve fairness because he is so evil.

Lombardi Chick said...

Going to walk dogs. If you reply to me (with video proof of Prosser tackling and beating the living hell out of a five-foot tall 92 year-old woman with a cane, for instance), I'm not ignoring you - I'm just away for a bit.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

L Chick,

Because I'm a lazy googler (I hit my thirty second limit) I can't seem to find it as raw footage--the Bradley fist is messing w/ my search. Months ago I was able to find the raw video.

But, today I only have it as part of a political attack ad, it starts about eight seconds.

J said...

Ah trad. guy back to the non-sequiturs. It's not about politics--that's the Smurfhouser's error. It's about whether P. attacked B.--by saying well Bradley's a liberal, therefore ...wrong--you deny her Due Process, in effect.

Had this been one isolated incident, the pro-Prosser clique might have an argument. But it's not. There appears to be a pattern of abusive behavior as they say (at least verbally). And the commission's on it now as well. Prosser's toast

Triangle Man said...

But if you really want to talk partisan hackery, look no further than garage mahal's attempted hit job on Greta van Susteren.

You're not interested to know that justice Abrahamson wrote a dissenting opinion that was not in favor of Greta Van Susteren's deceased father? Clearly this establishes absolutely nothing in relation to either justice Bradley or Prosser, but it is a fun fact, you must admit.

pbAndjFellowRepublican said...

Something just occurred to me.

I wonder if Bradley was purposefully mocking Prosser w/ her fist raised.

She must have seen this attack ad that I linked to. So, maybe she was needling him (as he claimed she and chief liked to do). If he hadn't gone for her neck she may have continued to replicate Prosserism by including some vigorous hand-slashing post fist of fury, just like the real Prosser deal.

JohnJ said...

Well, back to the original question…

After reading the Sheriff's report, I think Bradley's behavior was indefensible—especially after the incident. It doesn't take much inference to conclude that she deliberately misrepresented the facts and then arranged (or allowed) her version of events to become public to smear Prosser. As I've said before, the fact that her set-up of Prosser collapsed of its own hysterics, doesn't make it any less malicious.

Prosser should publically apologize for his role in the incident (I think it's likely he could have defused it early on) and Bradley should quietly resign.

Curious George said...

"garage mahal said...

Be glad you're not a New Berlin teacher about now. Walker's "tools" starting to kick in around the state. What a disgrace.."

Yes, it's hell now to be a New Berlin teacher. They should quit.

Q: How many will?
A: Zero.

"When a teacher named Dave spoke, he complained that property taxes in New Berlin has been going down instead of up. That prompted the crowd supporting the school board to cheer loudly, much to the consternation of the union supporters. Dave also found himself the subject of mock sympathy from members of the audience when he talked about having to put his children into before-school daycare..."

"Diane Lazewski of the New Berlin Education Association, the local teachers union...accused the taxpayers of acting like bullies because a few of them cheered and booed during the speeches, even as union supporters also interrupted speakers."

Dear Diane:

Whose town? Out town!

Whose schools? Our schools!

What does Democracy look like? This is what democracy looks like!

Hey hey! Ho ho!
Extravagant benefits got to go!

J said...

Have you seen this yet Lombi-mamacita? Dave "the Enforcer" Prosser . The P-Man's got his dukes up at the feminazi Abrahamson, and is ready to strike, but pulls back at last second.

chickenlittle said...

You're not interested to know that justice Abrahamson wrote a dissenting opinion that was not in favor of Greta Van Susteren's deceased father? Clearly this establishes absolutely nothing in relation to either justice Bradley or Prosser, but it is a fun fact, you must admit.

It would have been far more interesting had Abrahamson written for the majority. In that case, I could see van Susteren perhaps holding a some kind of familial grudge.
But the high court found in favor of the elder van Susteren, and Abrahamson was in the minority. It's interest is historical and it does show that the two familes crossed paths in the past.

Of course garage mahal's come back will be that SCOW was in error & Abrahamson was right, etc., etc. Am I missing something here? Garage and his ilklings never agree with majority opinions when they don't like them. They bang drums in protest.

garage mahal said...

"When a teacher named Dave spoke,

"Dave", was likely one of Vicki Mckenna's teabag ghouls who was shook from their cages to go drive to boo some teachers at the board meeting. Lovely people.

caplight said...

I thought Justice Prosser was shorter than Justice Bradley. Yet J keeps saying the opposite over and over as in "tell a lie often enough and people will think it is the truth." Anybody really know their relative height and size?

wv: expec - as in, "I expec an answer to my question."

Curious George said...

"garage mahal said...
"When a teacher named Dave spoke,

"Dave", was likely one of Vicki Mckenna's teabag ghouls who was shook from their cages to go drive to boo some teachers at the board meeting. Lovely people."

So your saying a person wearing a red union t-shirt, and identifying himself as a New Berlin teacher, actually was not a New Berlin teacher at all. And that none of the actually New Berlin teachers, or the local union President, picked up on this deception.

Well, maybe. I mean, they are government union workers after all. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

You really are a moron.

J said...

No. Some rightist sites staged it to make Bradley look big and mean, but she's small--reported 5-3 or so. Part of the Rush Limblow hype.

Prosser's average sized--looks fairly threatening (when approaching Abrahamson with his fist up) in the ad they used.

Calypso Facto said...

"Dave", was likely one of Vicki Mckenna's teabag ghouls who was shook from their cages...

Dave was a teacher complaining about the cut in benefits, garage. He's on your side!

But nice to know that your knee-jerk reaction is to mock and name-call anyone at the first hint of political disagreement.

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Maguro said...

Reading comprehension was never one of garage's strong points.

Canuck said...

"Canada needs a new province. There you go."

oh no - don't even think about dumping this gong show on us.

You left in 1776 - no backsies allowed!

garage mahal said...


Dave was a teacher complaining about the cut in benefits, garage. He's on your side!


Uh, you are indeed correct. And I apologize to C.G. I was reading a bunch of tweets from the board meeting and confused C.G.'s post. Sorry! My excuse is I have a head/chest cold that is kicking my ass.

garage mahal said...

Oh, and:
But nice to know that your knee-jerk reaction is to mock and name-call anyone at the first hint of political disagreement.

I notice that is a one way street with you.

traditionalguy said...

J...Sorry, but after years of football and wrestling practices with teammate/friends the concept that Prosser intentionally hurt his colleague Bradley here is invisible to me.

Unless one struck out in anger at the other, you need to wait and get him at the voting booth.

There is just nothing here to judge.

Dustin said...

"I wonder if Bradley was purposefully mocking Prosser w/ her fist raised. "

Nope. She got violent. And she's done it before.

Prosser is not violent. He's mild and judicial. He keeps his criticisms private, even if they are harsh, and he doesn't attack people.

He does defend himself if attacked, so when Bradley got violent he stopped her, however he did so very mildly. I would not have been able to show nearly as much restraint.

J's very interested in establishing facts. But he lies a lot. All you can know from reading his lies is what lies the left wants to tell.

Here's a photo of both Bradley and Prosser.

J is lying. They are about the same size. Bradley is pretty chubby, and Prosser is much older. It looks like he's lighter.

Sorry, J. Another lie bits the dust. When she charged him aggressively, the idea he should just let her because she's tiny is simply ridiculous.

And sexist.

Dustin said...

http://www.wispolitics.com/1006/featured/110826_Prosser_Bradley.jpg

The photo

JAL said...

"...one of America's most respected judges" ??

(Shirley Abrahamson)

Says who?

Seriously Professor -- if your law school is so great what the heck has been going on in Wisconsin the past 4 months? And apparently before ...

Too little Vitamin D up there?

wv mersi
!!

Carol_Herman said...

Oh, yeah. As if there's a personnel director ... where you go to file on your co-worker's habits ... with all the paperwork involved. So either their file grows. Or they get fired.

I SAY BULLSHIT.

Monica proved you couldn't fire the president of the United States; even though she was just an intern. Who should have had other grabbing her ass off the president's desk!

She was in love, however.

And, he was impeached.

But as a "crime?" Both were adults. Both made their own choices. And, the majority of Americans were happy that "ordinary work rules" didn't apply. Because Bill Clinton WON his election!

Whew.

If Nixon had more courage ... he could'a stood and fought, too. But unfortunately ... there's a difference between to the two parties.

Elections MEAN SOMETHING! They mean like it or not this is who got picked!

You bet, the hacks in the press would love to score by getting Prosser to give up.

He didn't. He may look like Mr. Peepers. But he's tough.

Alas, there are no competency tests to pass for elected office. Some people get elected because they kiss babies. Others because they shake lots of people's hands. When they go home, however, they don't know you from Adam.

And, them there are the rules.

J said...

from the sheriff's report:

We asked Justice Bradley if we could have her physical description
and she stated she was 5'3" and 131 lbs.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT JUSTICE DAVID PROSSER SAID: .....
Justice David T. Prosser Jr. Male white DOB 12/24/42 Height: 5'9"
Weight: 165 lbs


Book him.

J said...

Lies? That's your MO, Dustbin. You're lying about Prosser's record, for one, and about the differences in size. He's wild, not mild. The ad used by the Demos shows him nearly charging Abrahamson (in CA he'd have been tackled by bailiffs). But you got yr orders from Hdqtrs (TP, Limbaugh, Breitfart, Fox, whereever) and now just spew the BS ad nauseum. Dishonorable BS as well.

It appears that Bradley and other justices told P. not to raise his voice, but he did--has allegedly screamed at his female colleagues numerous times. So he pissed one off--ie Ms Bradley...--and then she approached him, and he ..takes a swing at her. cheap BS.

Dustin said...

"You're lying about Prosser's record, for one, and about the differences in size. "

I linked a photo of them.

I don't know where you got your data. I'm not interested in your appraisal of my honesty, since you're a hack.

But even if you're right, you're saying Prosser is a tiny man. And we know he was attacked by someone who gets violent.

You lose.

Carol_Herman said...

You can raise your voice!

Turns out arguments are allowed.

And, arguments have always been a part of our political process.

Same with judges.

Our Supremes won't let in cameras. But if they did? You'd see how Antonin Scalia can make a lawyer sweat!

And, then they tumble questions out, one on top of another!

As to "conferences." Different Chiefs have different rules.

Rehnquist's rules limited the amount of time you got when you asked to speak ... at Monday's conference.

This caused PAPERS TO FLY between chambers.

There's also the rule ... that the Chief cannot assign the majority opinion, IF the Chief's vote is on the Minority side.

As to this particular situation ... Bradley (who said she'd go outside ... and around her colleagues) ... had been asking for "anger management" punishment to be meted out to Prosser.

And, Prosser said the charge(s) against him would be proven false.

We're waiting.

While today more people know about the WIsconsin justices than they knew before.

Information is KING.

It's been a wonderful experience watching it arrive.

Cindy Martin said...

To be fair, both should go and then Walker can pick two conservatives to the court.

Calypso Facto said...

garage said: My excuse is I have a head/chest cold that is kicking my ass.
I just got over that myself.

And then I notice that is a one way street with you.
I don't know if you have anyone specific in mind, but I routinely skip reading comments from the most asshole-ish commenters, so maybe I just didn't see it. Is that the company you're looking to join?

NotquiteunBuckley said...

I am not up to speed, but has this article been talked about?

This is the most important article of news I have read in some time.

Jeffrey Toobin Clarence and Ginni Thomas:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/29/110829fa_fact_toobin

Hoosier Daddy said...

"... Hoosier - It's not a typo.

And the libs think we aren't taxed enough...."

Jesus wtf kind of house does she live in?

J said...

No, Dustbin--you can't read. As the cop's report indicates, Prosser's average size, and Bradley's petite. And...he has been accused of verbal abuse numerous times, as Justice Crooks pointed out:

Justice Crooks said he has noted Justice Prosser "loses his cool repeatedly." Justice Crooks has witnessed Justice Prosser get red and pound on tables with his fists, and get louder and louder in tone during meetings, conferences and sometimes even during public meetings.

Cuff him.

David R. Graham said...

Isn't Abrahamson the leader of this court? I am not sure how that works, but it seems to me that a group, even if independently elected, if it has a head, that head is responsible for the welfare of the group. Ergo, the one to go there is Abrahamson. Unlikely to happen, but in a reasonable world, wouldn't Abrahamson have already resigned in disgrace for the group she stewards? I do not know anything about her except that she leads the group. Why haven't the other justices peered her out, or at least tried? Why haven't WI voters recalled her, or tried? Maybe they have and failed. I don't know. But the finger points at Abrahamson as the leader of the outfit, so far as I can see and know.

Meade said...

I have a serious question for lawyers:

Suppose Prosser were to bring a civil suit against Bradley - a tort, right? What would his claims be and what damages does he have?

And Bradley against Prosser?

It seems to me the biggest damages would be on defamation - damage to Prosser's reputation, right?

Dustin said...

Sorry, J. Calling me names and making stuff up doesn't change the fact that when you look at a photo of these two, they are not substantially different in size. Prosser is taller and more slender and older.

Not that it really matters. If someone attacks you, you can hold them off.

Keep saying he punched her. Lying obviously like that makes it less necessary to respond.

J said...

No, Dustin, you stupid byatch: that's from the cop reports . Prosser's at least 6 inches taller, 40lbs heavier that Miss Bradley, dumbass. And maybe Justice Crooks , with more experience than Prosser and a JD from Notre Dame is lying too, eh AA perps?


You really are too stupid for this.

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Dustin said...

"Prosser's at least 6 inches taller, 40lbs heavier that Miss Bradley, dumbass. "

Exactly. They are about the same size. Since he's so much talled, but not much heavier, he's clearly a thinner much more frail person.

The photo shows that. She's built like a brick shithouse, and frankly is about as appealing as a human being. OK, I'm kidding. That's my best J impression and I'm just not nasty enough for it.

But your point was wrong. They are about the same size. It's a fact. The police probably didn't put either of them on a scale, and she's probably lying about her weight, but the photo doesn't lie. And it's not just wrong, it's irrelevant. She attacked him, and he was mild in his self defense.

If their partisanship were reversed you would completely change your tune, and it's so amusing watching you flail about.

J said...

No. BS as usual She's 5-3 about 130 (her stated weight). Small. And any man who defends a man who abuses women-well, that's not a man.

Ill take Judge Crooks' word for it, along with the video-evidence of P. charging CJ Abrahamson, and the reports from Kloppenberg, along with Bradley's testimony--as will the commission. Prosser's toast.

garage mahal said...

J said:
"Prosser's at least 6 inches taller, 40lbs heavier that Miss Bradley, dumbass. "

Dustin answers:
Exactly. They are about the same size.

Seriously, WTF?

traditionalguy said...

Meade...I see no damages for either one of them.

But civil Battery is from an old original writ of Trespass vi et Aramis which is a quasi criminal intentional tort.

Georgia was an original 13, so our State "recieved" English Common Law and that writ reached our code of Statutes as a trespass intentional tort called Battery. As a newcomer, Wisconsin may not have used that approach.

Under a Battery action the jury could find $1 damage but award attorneys fees, without limit, and punitive damages in the Jury's enlightened conscience.

As for a slander action, a finding of actual malice would be necessary because B did not call P a criminal.

And that is unlikely to happen since Bradley had a plausible reason to tell her side of the bumping together incident.

Dustin said...

"No. BS as usual She's 5-3 about 130 (her stated weight)."

Right. A liar, we already know, so how do you know her weight was accurate? Isn't it much more likely she lied? Look at my photo. She can lie about her weight, but the photo doesn't lie. They look about the same size.

Go ask a woman with Bradley's build (not thin) what her weight is, and then put her on a scale. 99% of the time she will underestimate her weight.

And Prosser's weight is also very small, only he's much more slender and older. He's a frail thin man who was attacked by a more sturdy and younger woman.

But for the twentieth time, she attacked him. He defended himself. The best you can do is lie that he was punching her. It's hilarious.

Prosser is still on the bench. He will be until the day he dies.

You lose.

J said...

garag--exactly--that's how the Ahouse perps work. You state a fact, and they twist it into some outlandish lie.

They were given orders to get Bradley--I suspect via Limbaugh's l-serve (email). Then-- they follow orders. Facts and testimony which make their man Prosser look bad doesn't matter.

Dustin said...

"You state a fact, and they twist it into some outlandish lie."

Right. Like how I show a photo proving that they are about the same size, only one guy is slender and old and frail and the other is short and a bit overweight.

And you act like you have proof I'm wrong, only your entire case rests on Bradley being honest about her weight. And we know Bradley is a pathological liar as well as violent as well as trying to portray herself as the victim.

Another example of is how you keep saying Prosser punched her.

Apparently you kooks REALLY hate this Prosser guy. It seems like everyone who hates Prosser is a radical lefty and also very dishonest.

Makes me so happy that Prosser is on the bench, where he shall remain for a long long time.

Nothing you can do about it. Sorry.

J said...

He's a frail thin man who was attacked by a more sturdy and younger woman.


You're full of shit, joto--Prosser's 165 lbs, 5-9-- average build, actually a bit stocky. And numerous people (judges, actually) have testified about his obnoxious behavior. Read the cop report. Or better, just STFU.

North Dallas Thirty said...

Actually, as everyone is aware, Bradley is a pathological liar and possible drug user, as well as a violent and abusive individual. There's several statements in the police report about her tendency to violence, including the account of her striking a fellow justice in the head.

J said...

No, you're lying again, you bags of human trash. It's Prosser who's the hot head and basketcase,as Crooks' testimony makes evident (and Abr. and Bradley's). Bradley's a petite woman, jotos. Not big or threatening. She's a former teacher.

North Dallas Thirty said...

No, you're lying again, you bags of human trash. It's Prosser who's the hot head and basketcase,as Crooks' testimony makes evident (and Abr. and Bradley's). Bradley's a petite woman, jotos. Not big or threatening. She's a former teacher.

Nope, she's a pathological liar and potential drug abuser who, according to police testimony, has repeatedly threatened and physically struck her fellow justices.

Also, no surprise that Crooks is desperate. Both Abrahamson and Bradley, given that they violently abuse and attack men, have likely given him no choice. It's quite possible that they have stated that, unless he does as they say, they will accuse him of sexual harassment, just like they tried to do Prosser.

North Dallas Thirty said...

It's also no surprise that Bradley is a FORMER teacher. Her belief that it's all right to strike males, as she's already done, would never be tolerated in a classroom.

But of course, we already know teachers support and practice violence, especially against minority members who don't do what white teachers tell them. We saw that

marylynn said...

At least Garage is good for a chuckle. J is just vulgar, and frankly, none too bright.

North Dallas Thirty said...

At least Garage is good for a chuckle. J is just vulgar, and frankly, none too bright.

Definitely. Garage ran away a few days ago when he was whining that womens' attacks on men were always justified -- and then when he admitted that a woman had cracked him across the face with a phone, proving that he abuses and attacks women.

J Allen said...

@ Carol: Thanks, and fortunately I've got about 3 to 4 months before we deploy.

E.M. Davis said...

Just turn this into a reality show and watch the advertising dollars roll in. A Walker statue would be erected in no time!

E.M. Davis said...

A friend of mine and I once pitched a sitcom called "Commander in Cheese". It was basically about a post-apocalyptic future in which the United States no longer exists and Wisconsin is it's own sovereign state.

Through a series of mishaps, a bartender from Fond Du Lac becomes the President of Wisconsin.

garage mahal said...

and then when he admitted that a woman had cracked him across the face with a phone, proving that he abuses and attacks women.

In your twisted fucking mind the person doing the abusing is being abused.

Carol_Herman said...

TO: David R. Graham at 6:45 PM

You know, I think this situation was spontaneous combustion. Prosser was in Bradley's outer office because 4 justices were looking for their chief.

The "issue" was the Legislature's use (or non-use), of a Public Notice Law. And, the opinion was supposed to be published.

I think Ann Walsh-Bradley spontaneously erupted. From some reports, she was actually at her desk's computer NOT paying attention ... when Prosser said he was very disappointed in the Chief Justice.

As to heights, here, folks. People come in various and sundry sizes. Nixon was short, I think. But I also think his height is irrelevant to the story that the press can destroy people.

Shirley Abrahamson has been elected for decades. She knew how to go over to every group of people she ever saw. Stopping her car, sometimes, to get out. Introducing herself. And, shaking hands. And, telling everybody they had just met her. She did this even after she won her first time. It was her "schtick."

Like kissing babies. Everybody in Wisconsin probably could recognize her on the street. Since she made it a point of doing this. (Bella Abzug, from NYC, did this by wearing hats. And, working Second Avenue.)

As long as people voted for Shirley I can't really see why her political philosophies (which are very liberal), should get her fired. Or dismissed. That's the job OF the People.

ON the court, however, (and I learned this when I learned about Rehnquist. And, how Sandra Day O'Connor ran circles around him!) ... O'Connor not only "gave her vote" ... she gave it in return for writing majority opinions! Rehnquist was more doctrinaire.

Again. We've had some doozies who've been elevated to high places. (In particular, the book on FDR's court was grand in explaining not just the laws that got passed ... but HOW these men ... all with big egos ... developed an angle different from the rest.)

No one will find out who leaked. No journalist would want to give up this name.

All we have for evidence is that Bradley tried to force her colleagues in going after Prosser on a FAKED criminal charge. But this fell flat.

You just can't ask for resignations. I think that harms our Constitution more than anything!

I also believe that karma somehow comes into play. And, because of KARMA ... we can wait out a few lousy politicians.

Here? I think voters, who NEVER paid attention to the legal skills that any particular candidate possessed (or didn't possess) ... Has become educated.

That's enough. I don't ask for more.

That Shirley Abrahamson wears her grandma's mask? You bet! PERFECTED HER PERFORMANCE. But she's not in the majority on that court!

Bradley? She'll have to deal with her colleagues. I think she's lost something.

Just as I think KELO took out Souter! And, he quit. Not just leaving damage in his wake. But leaving his reputation in tatters.

All of them care about that!

Americans learn. Where at first, I think, all they do is get surprised.

Having information makes tremendous gains ... after people become alert to what they didn't even know was a problem.

Given time, People who vote, will begin looking at candidates with sharper eyes.

Canuck said...

"It seems to me the biggest damages would be on defamation - damage to Prosser's reputation, right?"

Interesting - Slander is harder to prove in the American legal context. For slander I believe he would have to prove her words were literally not truthful. I think in the USA it's a high bar to prove slander & it would be difficult if his hands were literally on her neck.

Not sure, but I also believe it would have to be proven that she said something in some sort of public forum with the intent to harm reputation. In the investigation she keeps talking about anger management - so again, hard to prove. Doubtful he'd get damages and he wouldn't come across as an angel, so I doubt it would sell well to a jury.

Roger J. said...

Hard to beieve this comedy show is still going on--not much of import going on in WI--ice fishing season is over and deer season hasnt started--It will all end when deer season starts and wisconsinites get down to important shit.

Wisconsin--at least the Madison branch, is rapidly becoming a long running comedy show--you people are really fucked up

Carol_Herman said...

I'm not a lawyer. But I don't think Prosser can pursue a civil suit.

He can't prove who "leaked" this story beyond the walls of the courthouse.

And, inside the courthouse Bradley could have yelled out "MY PANTS ARE ON FIRE" ... Instead of what she said.

Prosser can't sue her for the Tubbs demonstration, either. Because he didn't write up any report.

Now, there's another reality test.

Ann Walsh-Bradley is super crazy. Walking away is the BEST option.

Next time? I'll bet Prosser walks away ... And, when he starts going ... he increases his pace!

Bradley's still got a problem.

The job of these "supreme-O's" is to VOTE on cases already decided "below." I think if Bradley makes known there's a case she supports? All her colleagues look at the ceiling. Or do other stuff. So no one comes along and offers a "second."

We shall see, though.

I know the FIRST MONDAY in OCTOBER ... starts the ball rolling up at our DC supremes. And, sometimes, I think it's gonna be hard for some of them to get up in the mornings ... let alone complete their terms.

Watch out, too.

If the schlemiel wins ... he gets 4 more years to set his agenda.

And, Mitt Romney? He's using his family's money! (In NYC this gave the mayor's race to Bloomberg!)

Be very afraid of candidates who have hundreds of millions available to them like petty cash.

Perry's from Texas. Creates its own baggage.

And, Sarah Palin may run.

Most Americans really begin to pay attention only after Labor Day, anyway.

While the press will always claim "it's a nail biter."

If Obama tanks? He should stay away from Dealey Plaza. And, Biden is no great protection! He looks like a clown. But that's our system.

Did you know Wisconsin is considered a TOSS UP state in 2012?

Almost Ali said...

Too bad Greta is such a lightweight. And a stealth liberal to boot.

Meade said...

@ traditionalguy, thanks for your professional opinion from the great state of Georgia.

@ E.M. Davis, we would like to see that sitcom. And watch the reality show!

@ J Allen, ditto x2 Carol Herman's good wishes.

Raul said...

Why does Althouse waste time with these insipid polls?

Everybody already knows exactly what the results will be.

Raul said...

Almost Ali said..."Too bad Greta is such a lightweight. And a stealth liberal to boot."

Van Susteren is now actually a liberal?

You-have-got-to-be-kidding.

Almost Ali said...

Van Susteren is now actually a liberal?

Not "now" per se, but always.

Almost Ali said...

Raul said...
You-have-got-to-be-kidding.

Van Susteren putting Prosser in the same category as Bradley, for example. As if she, Greta, is a simple babe-in-the-woods - an untrained lawyer wholly unfamiliar with the concept of fact finding and homework. Just goes on TV to regurgitate what she's told, like there's absolutely no difference between Prosser and Bradley.

No, I'm not kidding.

North Dallas Thirty said...

In your twisted fucking mind the person doing the abusing is being abused.

8/30/11 9:24 PM


Not really, garage. You said any time a woman attacks a man like your pet Bradley did it's justified and that the man is abusing her.

Since a woman attacked you, it's clear by your own logic that you're an abuser.

Now spin for us, hypocrite.

RonF said...

" ... and jeopardizing the court’s neutrality by awarding grants to groups with lobbyists and social agendas."

What business does the Supreme Court have in awarding anyone grants?

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Almost Ali said...

PS:

When I heard Greta summarily declare the Bradley/Prosser matter a wash, I wanted to harm my television. A "wash" to prop up Bradley and drag down Prosser. Get it? Even Steven. Dump'em both, Greta said, because Wisconsin needs a reliable court. Even-Steven.

I won't abide a lyin', low-life lawyer. Especially when she hails from Wisconsin and suggests she knows nothin' 'bout nothin'. Nothin' 'bout the law, nothin' 'bout Wisconsin.

Corgi Queen said...

I read thru all posts hoping to see someone correct the ONE BIG GLARING ERROR! (sarc) Larry Hagman is not the son of Helen Hayes, he is the son of Mary Martin. And, Carol, he was born in my hometown, Fort Worth, Texas.