July 22, 2011

"Norway suffered two shocking attacks on Friday..."

"... when powerful explosions shook the government center in the capital and, shortly after, a gunman stalked youths on an island summer camp for children of members of the governing Labor Party. Police were treating the assaults, which together killed at least 16 people, as connected, according to Norweigian news media, though it remained unclear who was behind them."

NYT.

79 comments:

Rick T. said...

No doubt the Norwegian Liberation Front!

chickenlittle said...

I still don't get how just one guy pulled this off. I know bombs can be timed and detonated remotly but still.

enki said...

Terrible news. I just hope a swift investigation can confirm whether the media should hold Palin or Bachmann directly responsible for this.

Michael said...

Probably youths.

Fred4Pres said...

Out of control Lutherans.

My guess these murderous radicals were influenced by the evil and hateful teachings of the Missouri Synod.

Fred4Pres said...

George Bush is to blame. In addition.

pbAndj said...

I wonder if this sort of trite commentary took place in Norwegian threads as a response to our 9-11.

madawaskan said...

They have a suspect that has been arrested, and he was seen in both areas.


I'll try to find the Norwegian website where I read that.

madawaskan said...

Here is a crappy translation:


- He spoke eastern dialect. He was a little higher than me, maybe 1.90, and had short blond hair. It was not that he had weapons advancement, but it could happen, he had it hidden on the body, he says.

19-year-old, who told TV 2 that he immediately thought that the police came to Utøya in the wake of the terror in Oslo, has now come away from Buskerud and have started on the long way home to England.

- It would be silly if we had not thought about what could have happened, he says now.

There is established a family center at Sundvollen hotel. Your number is 32 10 32 82 or 32 10 32 78

Also read: Seven confirmed dead after explosion in city center

At least seven people are reported dead after the violent explosion in the government building in Oslo on Friday afternoon.
Photo: Scanpix Norway / Reuters
Big Mountain: - Norwegian culprit
The police put what happened on Utøya in connection with the explosion in the government building earlier in the afternoon. At a press conference late Friday night, police said that there is a 32-year-old who has been arrested and is now questioned.

Police believe it may be the same person is behind both incidents. This is based on the description of a man dressed in police uniform were seen moving away from the scene in Oslo.

It was an hour after the explosion that shooting on Utøya started. Thus, police work on the basis that it may be the same person who has turned to both.

- There is reason to see a correlation between the two events today, says Anders Frydenberg, prosecutor at the Oslo police to NRK.no.

madawaskan said...

Here is the Norwegian website:

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7723479

Freeman Hunt said...

Horrible. Last place you'd expect it too.

Carol_Herman said...

Let me guess? It's those Amish, again, huh?

sydney said...

I will never get used to these heinous and cowardly acts. Even if the guy turns out to be a crazy Norwegian, what he did is still an act of terrorism.

madawaskan said...

Cripes I forgot the eeriest part of the translation.

(Which I am going to google for-I can tell the context because I know some Swedish...ugh which all of this is making my English go to pot..

Swedish is kind of like-oh forget it.)

******


It's unreal. I have buddies and friends who are there. And if he had wanted, he could just choked down us there and then, says Sondre Selstad Amundsen (19) to NRK.

He is one of about 700 AUF young people in recent days has been on Utøya of Labour Youth League summer camp. Friday afternoon he took the boat from the island to the mainland to catch the bus on way home.

Shortly after he came ashore a little before at 16 Friday afternoon, he met there was apparently a policeman. The two greeted shortly before the uniformed man walked on the boat and for insects.

A large number of youths fleeing desperately from Utøya-when an offender began to fire at the youngsters.

- Spoken eastern dialect
Less than half an hour later, while Selstad Amundsen still waiting for the bus, he heard the shots from Utøya.

In retrospect, he understood that after all solar terms(

(ya-I know-should be-of all the things in the world or something...)

is the man he greeted minutes earlier who shot and killed several children.

rhhardin said...

Terrorists need media coverage, media need eyeballs to sell to advertisers.

They work together.

rhhardin said...

"Norway terrorists stage media event, few fatalities.

This is the 27th media event this year."

Fred4Pres said...

pbAndj said...
I wonder if this sort of trite commentary took place in Norwegian threads as a response to our 9-11.

7/22/11 5:30 PM


It is called irony. And sarcasm. I am not mocking Norweigans and Lutherans.

madawaskan said...

Oh and some of these kids just took of swimming for the middle of the ocean to get away from this-#$%@-and they found them out there still swimming for it.

Ugh.

alan markus said...

"I wonder if this sort of trite commentary took place in Norwegian threads as a response to our 9-11."

I don't know if I would consider this "trite", but I'm sure this guy got on some blogs (he did get quoted in newspaper):

Mads Gilbert:

Mads Fredrik Gilbert (born June 2, 1947, Porsgrunn) is a Norwegian doctor, solidarity worker and a member of the socialist party Red. He received his PhD at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, Iowa. He is a specialist in anesthesiology and a leader of the emergency medicine department of University Hospital of North Norway, and has been a professor of emergency medicine at the University of Tromsø since 1995.

A statement made to Dagbladet in the wake of the September 11 attacks was met with strong reactions. His statement to Dagbladet was: "The attack on New York did not come as a surprise with the politics the West has followed the last decades. I am upset by the terrorist attack, but I am at least as upset over the suffering that the US has caused. It is in this context that 5000 dead has to be seen. If the U.S. government has a legitimate right to bomb and kill civilians in Iraq, the oppressed has a moral right to attack the U.S. with the weapons they may create as well. Dead civilians are the same whether they are Americans, Palestinians or Iraqis." When asked if he supported a terrorist attack against the US he answered: "Terror is a poor weapon, but my answer is yes, within the context I have mentioned."

Marshal said...

"pbAndj said...
I wonder if this sort of trite commentary took place in Norwegian threads as a response to our 9-11."

No, their response wasn't trite. Their immediate reaction was to lecture on on how 9-11 was our fault. Of course, that was the American Left's reaction too.

VanderDouchen said...

And this coming from you! A penis butter and jelly sandwich! Shame!

WV: fersenog:

He's a rapper. Pretty radical lyrics. wat up, ferse?!!!?

Quaestor said...

Horrible. Last place you'd expect it too.

Not the last place I would expect. In fact what surprises me is that it's taken this long to metastasize into real violence. Norway has been storing up trouble for a decades now with an immigration and asylum policy that is the worst in Europe after Sweden's. Stroll around Oslo and you'll see about as many veiled women and glowering bearded men as you might see in Karachi -- nah, that's an exaggeration, but Norway as the epicenter of Nordic culture is dead. The real growth is in the Muslim-dominated neighborhoods, while the birthrate for Nordics dropped below replacement levels back in the 90's. By mid-century Norway will be a majority Muslim country, thanks largely to the Labour-Green coalition government that has ruled Norway since the Reagan-era Pershing missile imbroglio which got leftist governments embedded like ticks in the skin of several bodies politic.

Ironic that it was a Labour youth camp (Imagine that! A kids camp rum by and for a political party. I thought that kind of thing died out along with the Nazis) which was attacked today.

Quaestor said...

The Labour government which has sewn the Hydra's teeth is crewed by the same gang of morons who gave Obama the Nobel Prize, thus reducing that award to the level of just another Cracker-Jack toy.

Sixty Grit said...

I care about Norway even less than I care about a movie about Palin, if that is possible. Liberals hate Palin, muzzies hate civilization, and yet somehow the world keeps on going.

edutcher said...

Maybe it's Rupert Murdoch.

PS PB&J's sympathy lasts only as long as he thinks he can make points off it.

Michael K said...

There are reports of lots of dead kids at the summer camp. Maybe 30.

MadisonMan said...

I've had a wonderful visit to Norway, and the people there were very nice. I'm sorry they have to go through this kind of thing.

mesquito said...

I'm getting a lot of weird info from twitter. Can't yet rule out a right wing attack.

gutless said...

Towelish perpetrator?

fivewheels said...

The problem with a comment thread on this kind of topic is if you hold back the gallows humor, there's not much left to say. We don't know much, and it seems kind of insufficient as well as obvious to just say, "That's awful." Of course it is.

People will latch onto tangents. It's natural, not deplorable.

VanderDouchen said...

I'm getting a lot of weird info from twitter. Can't yet rule out a leftist attack.

WV: aseso"

Why? 'cause aseso.

Carol_Herman said...

Dear me.

The killer explodes the car he drove in on. Runs and catches a ferry. Is wearing a cop's uniform, so people give him respect.

And, Drudge has the sight of a woman (who may be dead), being carry "somewhere" by four police people? They don't have medics in all of Norway? No one shows up with an ambulance containing a gurney? No one puts the woman in a neck brace?

Where in heaven's name were they carrying her off to?

Oslo. Has the image of the Nobel Peace Prize been damaged, yet?

Will the idea that this was all the work of one madman, sell?

chickenlittle said...

Runs and catches a ferry. Is wearing a cop's uniform, so people give him respect.

He had explosives on that island too...must have been in his ferry carry-on...

Carol_Herman said...

DEBKA points a finger towards Q-Daffy. In which case this is not a "home grown" lunatic.

And, also adds the the perp was shot. Before being arrested at the island scene.

It also says Internet access has been halted in Oslo. And, while there are flights in and out of Norway, pretty much Norway's military surrounds Oslo. With checkpoints.

People in Norway have been told to stay indoors. That this is not over.

ricpic said...

Simple choice for the Norskies: go dhimmi or breath free. Which means kicking the muzzies out. Which would make the Norskies b-a-a-a-d people. So they won't kick the muzzies out. They'll go dhimmi.

AllenS said...

And, there's not a fucking thing that the Norwegian people can do.

mesquito said...

Norwegian papers say the suspect is Anders Behring Breivik, a right-wing extremist.

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/innenriks/--Skal-tilhre-hyreekstremt-milj-2541597.html

Hoosier Daddy said...

I wonder if this sort of trite commentary took place in Norwegian threads as a response to our 9-11.

Probably.

Ironclad said...

It's very sad this has happened and I extend all sympathy to the victims.

That said, I hope that their memory will lead to a reaction to clean out the rat's nest that has grown in all the Scandinavian countries with unchecked immigration and political correctness refusing to see a problem growing in their midst.

The group that claimed responsibility had a real grievance against the Norway government too:

OSLO, Norway (AP) — A Norwegian prosecutor has filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he's deported from the Nordic country.

The indictment, obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, centers on statements that Mullah Krekar — the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam — made to various media, including American network NBC.

What a shame.

Synova said...

Is it trite to make bad jokes about rampaging Lutherans?

I read the linked article (and one article linked from it) and what I learned was that Norwegians were arrested, now and then. Is it trite to make bad jokes about rampaging Lutherans when the news is uninterested in actually reporting who did it?

I am Norwegian but I'm not a Norwegian citizen. The culprits are, at least, supposedly Norwegian citizens (and the other article about previous arrests made the same PC choices) and the reader is left to guess if they belong to some other ethnicity or not.

Our media is hell bent on concealing information from us. When the Danish Cartoon *thing* was happening the professional media refused to show or discuss or reveal the actual cartoons so that people could be informed.

Obviously the importance and reality of events in Norway are completely different if the culprits are a homegrown Aryan group or an immigrant Muslim group or crazy commies or radical anarchists or converted and radicalized ethnic Norwegian Muslims.

Any of those things means something different for the culture and for History itself, for possible solutions and for any effort to understand events. And the default has become to actively conceal and obfuscate the truth.

In light of that, bad jokes about rampaging Lutherans are appropriate.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Norwegian papers say the suspect is Anders Behring Breivik, a right-wing extremist.

I didnt' know they had those in Norway.

VanderDouchen said...

Mesquite, your smoke is blowing.

"Kurdish terrorist group Ansar-Al-Islam was founded by Mullah Krekar. He has long been a very thorny issue in Norway and was charged last week with making threats against Norwegian politicians.

Anders Behring Breivik just happens to live next door to a Mr. Hemen Ashraf Noaman who is the Director of a Kurdish Organization."

Want to spread gossip? I've got your back.

WV: frite:

How I like my pommes.

garage mahal said...

Right wing nationalist Christians? Huh.

VanderDouchen said...

wipe your chin, GM. You're drooling.

WV: pedinsup:

new restaurant that provides pedicure service with dinner.

Big Mike said...

The Norwegian Storting awarded the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore and Barack Obama -- this is obviously a conspiracy of those Bush supporters.

Michael said...

If is is a right wing group and not the youths responsible for this there is going to be worldwide orgasmic coverage by the media. Finally! Finally a right win group.

mesquito said...

Mesquite, your smoke is blowing.

I'm just reporting what is being published in the Nowegian papers, jackass.

Cedarford said...

The butcher arrested is not an Islamoid. But instead a right-wing nationalist and Christian that has railed against Muslim immigration, internationalism becoming supreme over nationalism in Norway.

(Meanwhile Big Sister Janet Napolitano was seen doing a little jig of joy on news that she has a new Timothy McVeigh to point out to buttress her claims that home grown right wingers are The Greatest Threat.)

Roux said...

Islam is a cult and I hope people start waking up to the evil that it represents.

chickenlittle said...

garage mahal said...
Right wing nationalist Christians? Huh.

But he acted alone!! Whew!!

Luther said...

"The butcher arrested is not an Islamoid. But instead a right-wing nationalist and Christian that has railed against Muslim immigration, internationalism becoming supreme over nationalism in Norway."

There are not nearly enough facts yet to make such an assumption... unless it helps you somehow in cementing your world view. As if it wasn't already cured.

Carol_Herman said...

Now, it's one Norwegian guy with a photograph of him in a Masonic apron.

And, after detonating the car ... he goes on the ferry ... Toting his gun ... because he's a policeman.

While DEBKA says that Q-Daffy is involved in this thing up to his eyeballs.

Given that the auto was packed with explosives ... highly unlikely this guy just bought his supplies at the local supermarket.

Who paid for his car?

Oh. And, how was internet access in Oslo shut down completely?

Next, the story will turn on being something done "on the spur of the moment." With a "move along" tag ...

Luther said...

Besides, what is your issue with this;

"...railed against Muslim immigration, internationalism becoming supreme over nationalism in Norway."

Really.

Hagar said...

The article referenced by Mesquito says Anders Breivik is a "right-wing extremist" and that he owns a firm that grows vegetables and thus had access to ammonium nitrate fertilizer, and that's about it.

So, so far it seems to be a Timothy McVeigh kind of thing, except for shooting up the kids on Utøya. McVeigh would never have done that.

And, yes, Norway has its crazies too, always did.

VanderDouchen said...

I'm hearing the events aren't related by anything other than causality. Bombs went off in Oslo, this guy went and shot up the labour party kinder groupen. Kinda like he'd drawn a line in the sand or something.

WV: emacoutt:

'e's no' a proper deep thinka'; emacoutt, t'be sure!

Hagar said...

Oh, and someone named Christian was interviewed; the article says nothing about Breivik's faith.

Fred4Pres said...

Snow Nazis or Sand Nazis?

VanderDouchen said...

Anyone who's ever been to ace's knows that you can'[t trust any of them blond haired, blue eyed, milky skinned, scandi's.

WV: tentries:

The new socially accepted football rules dictate that the offense gets tentries for a first down. We're all winners.

VanderDouchen said...

Mesquito said:

"Mesquite, your smoke is blowing.

I'm just reporting what is being published in the Nowegian papers, jackass. "

So, you report, I shut my motherfucking mouth?

WV: messerso:

messerso messy

Paco Wové said...

Norway police: 'Eighty killed' in island shooting breaking news

At least 80 people died when a gunman opened fire at an island youth camp in Norway, hours after a bomb attack on the capital, Oslo, police say.

Police in Norway are questioning a 32- year-old Norwegian man in connection with both attacks.

edutcher said...

Carol_Herman said...

DEBKA points a finger towards Q-Daffy. In which case this is not a "home grown" lunatic.

Take anything DEBKA says with a grain of salt the size of Lot's wife - when she was pregnant.

Unless their reliability's improved in the last few years.

Freeman Hunt said...

Eighty young people gunned down. What can a person say?

Synova said...

The tragedy of 80 people gunned down is overwhelming. And kids, besides.

As for what one can say... the feelings of horror are feelings... the words that come to mind are more prosaic.

How the *hell* does a single person carry enough ammunition to kill that many people. Even considering no misses, could a grown man lift it? And how the *hell* does someone expend that much ammunition before they are stopped? And lastly... arrested? They effing *arrested* him? Did they just wait until he was DONE!

OH MY GAWD.

What I feel and want to say about it is that I'm ashamed of my heritage. I'm ashamed.

Synova said...

My stupid little blond picture is there, smiling.

I'm not smiling.

Paco Wové said...

"McVeigh would never have done that."

No, he'd just blow up a day care center.

edutcher said...

It sounds like Beslan, but I have a real problem with the guy being questioned. Sounds like the choice the "profilers" had for the Beltway Sniper.

PS Synova, nobody judges you by a picture taken in better times.

Beth said...

"So, so far it seems to be a Timothy McVeigh kind of thing, except for shooting up the kids on Utøya. McVeigh would never have done that."

True. Why bother picking them off one at a time when you can just blow up a day care center?

MnMark said...

Assuming this was done by a Norwegian with strong nationalist feelings, I don't understand what this guy thought he was going to accomplish for his cause. This does nothing but provide fodder for demonizing people who want to see Norway remain Norwegian. There is no act I can think of that is more completely destructive of his presumed goals than this.

I take two lessons from this.

First, when you undertake a project to remake your society by allowing the immigration of a culture with a long tradition of antagonism towards your own, you get terrorism from both a fraction of the immigrants and from a fraction of your native people who resent what you are doing.

Second, if terrorists are going to increasingly use guns (as in Mumbai and here) then a lot more people better be getting concealed carry permits. There apparently wasn't anyone armed on that island but the murderer and he could take his time without fear of armed opposition.

It certainly isn't an arguemt for more gun control. Is there a country in the Western hemisphere with more gun control laws than Norway? And yet a native Norwegian was able to get the guns to do this. Give up once and for all on the idea that you can control guns, and start training and arming law-abiding people to balance things out.

Seven Machos said...

You guys are obviously not familiar with what I will generalize as the Hardcore Scandinavian Death Speed Metal scene, just for example among many examples. Weird shit going on up there.

If this is Islam, I expect a serious closing of ranks in Norway, just short of ethnic cleansing. If this is a local, it's really not surprising. See Paragraph 1.

Titus said...

My mother and sister are on vacation right now in Norway. Seriously.

VanderDouchen said...

TITS!

WV: vorish:

I kinda want it.

Alex said...

Death toll up to 80 now.

VanderDouchen said...

Mi quorezone es blastado

WV: klelat:

como klelat l'amor'

Hagar said...

McVeigh did not know there was a daycare center in the building. That is the one thing he apologized for.

Triangle Man said...

McVeigh did not know there was a daycare center in the building. That is the one thing he apologized for.


It was inconceivable that there was anything other than evil fed drones and their demonic tax dollar wasting handlers in that building.

somefeller said...

McVeigh did not know there was a daycare center in the building. That is the one thing he apologized for.

Yes, because mass murderers are known for their truthfulness. And they've never been known for telling stories that will improve their lot after they've been captured. Certainly.

You guys are obviously not familiar with what I will generalize as the Hardcore Scandinavian Death Speed Metal scene, just for example among many examples. Weird shit going on up there.

I thought of this also when I heard who the suspect was. This is a huge jump from burning some old churches or shooting one of your bandmates, though.

Horrible story and evil person (or persons?), no matter how this plays out.

Roger J. said...

There is real evil in the world on both extremes of the political spectrum and among "true believers" of any particular faith.
Human beings are flawed creatures.
While all terror is reprehensible, hunting down kids one by one seems to me to be particularly terrible.

We really should reinstate hanging, drawing, and quartering for people like this.

Sincere condolences to the Norwegian people--no one deserves this sort of thing.

ken in sc said...

It’s a combination of Oklahoma City and Columbine. May God have mercey. Pray for the families.

Paco Wové said...

"That is the one thing he apologized for."

Sorry, H, the 'apology' of someone like that isn't worth shit.