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At least the distress flag is gone.
Jesse Jackson is boring and predictable. Tomorrow should be more fun if a real counter protest comes together.
Meanwhile, in Bahrain....
Laughingstocks. They just don't know it yet.
Seriously, we need some American Idol threads to clear the palate.Everyone who posts here can come together, left and right, government worker and taxpayer, commie and wing nut and join together in mocking the dreams of deluded children.Seriously it's a lot of fun.
So far, that crazy unionist protest seemed to be violence free. However, those very intolerant unionists will not appreciate tax paying citizens in a counter-protest. After all, the unionists believe that our AA and all other high income folks must accept a tax increase to pay the sluggards massive benefits.Power to the voting people but not to unionists.
Plus you can see what Dose of Sanity really looks like!
Ok I lied. Dose of Sanity really looks like this.You have to give credit where credit is due.
Ok for real this time. This is a photo Meade took of Dose of Sanity at the Rally in Madison today.Sorry I tried to fool you.
I just want to elevate the tone and have a civil discussion of the issues at hand.Much like my buddy Ritmo's hero and avatar William F. Buckley.
I did not see American Idol this week. Did they have all the finalists dancing at the end? Were there any who have had zero screen time thus far?Did that really young kid with the Randy Travis voice make it through?I was bummed that ew.com doesn't have idolatry anymore. The guy who did it jumped ship, but I finally tracked him down.
For anyone interested in updates on the 14 senators who fled the state, and discussion of how to remove them from office, there's a blog for that: http://thebadger14.wordpress.com
It's warm outside. Tempers are hot. Invite your protester friends and have yourselves some ice cream cake. Chocolate cake with cayenne-tinctured chocolate frosting not your thing? How 'bout shrimp scampi on rice instead? Fine then, and this is my last offer, pizza con mozzarella di bufala e fungi
I always thought this emoticon kind of looks like Jody Foster:>:|
My mother is moving to Madison in the fall. Looks like I will be visiting your fair city.
Apologies, screwed up the shrimp link.
My mother is moving to Madison in the fall. Looks like I will be visiting your fair city.Freeman, that's very exciting! I hope it's a move she's looking forward to. Fall is a great time to visit. Pumpkins, Corn mazes, Football weekends, fresh apples, Raspberries. And all the mosquitoes will be gone!
@Coketown:Is there a different emoticon for Jodie Foster?
Ann, I'm sure I speaking for a lot of people, many thanks to you and Meade. If anybody deserves some kind of award for showing what's been happening in Madison this week, the two of you do.Take the night off. Have some fun. This Bud really is for you.PS Troop, one of your links was blocked.
@Lucien: Yeah, it's this:..|.,
I know I've been a bit single-subject these last few daysThis has gone national. And you're on the ground. Thank you for covering it in first person.
Freeman Hunt said...My mother is moving to Madison in the fall. Looks like I will be visiting your fair city.My mother already lives in Madison. There's lots of things for kids to do in the summer. Mine would move there in heartbeat.
Apropos of nothing --When State and local governments raise revenue from people they use devices (sales tax, sin taxes, lotteries, property taxes, vehicle registration, etc.) that are regressive or income neutral;and sometimes use progrssive income taxes.On the other hand, when the federal governmnet raises revenue from people, it relies almost exclusively on a progressive income tax.That means that when there is an economic downturn of national scope, only the federal government is positioned to address it, and the only way it can provide tax relief is to cut the most progressive part of the overall tax structure, tending to make the whole tax burden more regressive.If the federal government could effectively subsidize state & local government cuts in the more regressive parts of the tax structure, then providing tax relief to folks with lower incomes during hard times would be a lot more efficient.But it's not clear to me how this could be done on a sustained (as opposed to one-off) basis without the states and localities gaming the system.Anybody got any good ideas?
What's strange potion has gotten into your drinking water in Wisconsin?First the Badger's national success(football and basketball); then, not only voting Feingold out but also electing a Republican governor and a majority legislature; and then,the coup de grace - the Packers win the Super Bowl. Is it at all surprising, after all that, you now have school teachers walking the streets of Mad City like Egyptians.What's next, cheeseheads? An impressed and envious nation can hardly wait.
Althouse said...I've been a bit single-subject these last few days...Don't let up, you and Meade have been really on the money with this one. Good, too, because it's shaping up to be a seminal constitutional event, especially with the outing of the thinly-veiled Communist sympathizers. But be careful, the SEIU wants to turn peaceful Madison into an explosive Cairo.
ContraMan said...What's strange potion has gotten into your drinking water in Wisconsin?Althouse turned the entire state into a giant vortex.
edbutcher it must have been the last one. If you have a content filter it would be blocked.Nothing racy or sexy. Just accurate.
In appreciation of the great information we have been getting from Althouse and Meade on the happenings in Wisconsin and for creating this forum for us all to bitch, moan, joke, kvetch, laugh, argue and hopefully learn something, I raise my glass. /sipAlso hoping that Ann does not get any blow back from her collegues for allowing all of the above to happen. While not a 'conservative' by strict definition, I get the feeling that Althouse is far to the right of the very left leaning staff of the University.
Teachers unions—the monopoly inside the monopoly.
I hope it's a move she's looking forward to. Yes, she is definitely looking forward to it. And I am happy about it because it will be a nice place to visit.My stepfather is in the Navy. He is going to be the new Chief at the Naval Reserve Center.
Freeman, congratulations from me as well! They will love it here.
chickelit: Althouse turned the entire state into a giant vortex.Thats sig worthy. nj :)
Randy Travis Pumpkin Head guy made it through even though he sucked in the single sing off after the group session.He joined a group with the real young Baby Huey kid in it. The evil Midget Mexican Muchacho with the stupid glasses then proceed to throw the little kid out of the group and he had to wander around looking for someone to take him for charity. You know like Garage commenting here.Well surprise the Baby Huey did ok in his new group but they made a big thing out of it. Randy Travis Pumpkin Head then showed you he is going to go far. He started to cry like he was the Speaker of the House about how he was wrong not to speak up for the kid especially when he found out it would be popular. He might be country but he sure is shrewd.My new favorite is the Luther Vandross Chocolate Pudding Big Black Gay Guy who sang the crap out of "God Bless the Child." This kid has some pipes.Not many hot babes though. Or at least they are way too young.Seacrest's out.Not that there's anything wrong with that.
I hear Amanda Marcotte is coming in tomorrow to speak on how this is the same as "rape rape".To be followed by Al Gore inisting the Democrats fled to Canada because of Global Warming.
What's next, cheeseheads? The Badgers win it all in B-Ball, and the Brewers win the World Series.
WE NEED A SURVIVOR THREAD!Can't believe Kristina made her move so early. Or that Rob had aleady sniffed her play out (damn he's good).Too early in the game. Before Kristina and Franchesca could realize they were allied with a basket case. Ironically, Franchesca player her hand about the best one could in that situation, and she got voted off.
My wife says I am not allowed to have any Super Powers.Or WMDs.Or a Monster Truck. If you know me, you know why.
The out-of-state thugs (union and political) want to converge on Madison because they perceive it as a pushover - a place where the [physical] blow-back will be at worst minimal, and at best non-existent.Therefore, I urge the young lions of Green Bay to prepare for the octagon - just in case.
Your wife is very wise.She might even have to take away your sternly worded-libtard postings.
This has gone national.I can't say I'm happy about that. Going National means all sorts of attention-seeking publicity whores will descend on Madison. That's great for the local economy -- it's like a Badger Football game weekend -- but I don't like things being perpetually ratcheted up, conflict-avoider that I am.Oh well. I can't get to the Square tomorrow anyway to see things. I'm hopeful that the teachers will still be there -- if they can miss 3 days of classes, they can be there on Saturday. (The school board has apparently filed an injunction)There were tons of media vans lining the square today, and on the walk back home, there was a helicopter - filming I guess. It can't have been fun up there, the wind was absolutely howling.
Hey, don't give her any ideas....she says I can have Groundhog powers. Predict spring once a year. blah.
She's an English professor, and he has graduate degrees in (I think.) education and history. So they'll fit right in.It will be fun.
Welcome Freeman's Mom! And Freeman when you come to visit!
According to his twitter feed MayorEmanuel, was partying with the exiled WI dem senators. Beerbongs and waterslides.
And, what the hell did Dose do to quite literally end up on Troop's shit list.Can we keep Dose and Ankur?Pretty please?
Tell her I think that when you're out in public you should have to wear mittens.Just for the irony.
Still haven't watched the recorded episode of "Survivor." Had to avert my eyes there!So busy this week!Plus there was Jeopardy, American Idol, and Meade likes the UW basketball games.***"My mother is moving to Madison in the fall. Looks like I will be visiting your fair city."Email me if you want to hang out with me and Meade.
Isn't this nice?For the first time in history, the average annual compensation for a teacher in the Milwaukee Public School system will exceed $100,000.That staggering figure was revealed last night at a meeting of the MPS School Board.The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011.Take to the streets, fight for teacher rights!!!
Most of all, Madison, don't get distracted. Because the SEIU is counting on it - they want to blindside you right into oblivion. With sucker-punches until every last, honest Wisconsinite is knocked flat on their back. This is no time for Dancing with Stars, or American idols.Brace up. Punch back.
Take a look at the Tech School salaries, Jay:Four out of five faculty members at Milwaukee Area Technical College earned at least $80,000 in 2007, a Journal Sentinel database analysis shows.Almost 40% earned more than $100,000 in total pay, including a cosmetology instructor who teaches manicuring, and another instructor who teaches reading and writing for high school equivalency diplomas.The average total pay was just over $95,000 for full-time instructors, including pay for administrative duties and for teaching courses beyond the nine-month contract requirement, according to MATC payroll data from 2007, the most recent complete summary the Journal Sentinel has obtained. The newspaper has requested but has not yet received complete 2009 payroll data.The 10 highest-paid MATC faculty members earned at least $134,360 in 2007. Cosmetology instructor Linda Zizzo earned $134,829 and Westmore Holmes, who teaches classes for high school equivalency diplomas, earned $136,325. Top earner Mitchell A. Schuttke, a tool-and-die-making instructor, made $147,379.Cosmetology for $134,360??!? Oy.
There will be a Tea Party rally in Madison tomorrow.
I just want to know what happened to 'zero tolerance' in WI. In NYC a 'kick me please' sign gets a 9 year old suspended - but many of the signs the protesting teachers are using are a wee bit more violent. Can they get kicked out of school, too - please? And a question for a legal mind - isn't it fraud to call in sick when you're not sick. Somebody should take pictures of those 'sick' teachers and take them to the next school board meeting.
"A hand-written sign in the Capitol rotunda warns the demonstrators that tea party members will try to provoke them. The sign said they should exercise self-control, not physically engage them and know their talking points so the tea party can't spin arguments."
This is no time for Dancing with Stars, or American idols.Well duh. American Idol is on Wednesday and Thursday. DWTS is on hiatus.
link to "kick me please" bullying.http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/kicked_out_for_prank_8itjNST1uZYzxodQW3GwhM?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=wv ressa - this is the ressa the last post
Winter Storm Watch!
Email me if you want to hang out with me and Meade.Will do when I have dates.There will be a Tea Party rally in Madison tomorrow.The two sets of protesters should be careful not to touch. Could result in annihilation and photon emissions.
Save our schools?How about doing your jobs?
Freeman, see my addendum.Haha. Madison press.
Meanwhile, other teacher's unions look on nervously: link.I heard (and am trying to verify) that as of last year San Diego had more retired teachers than working ones. With an average retirement package of 58% of ending salary, that's a lot of future entitlement.
I'm prepared to be very underwhelmed by the Tea Party rally now that the temp has dropped and there's a storm watch. As opposed to the 50 degree days when the public union members got paid to attend.I have, however, found a surprising amount of support for the Governor once I get outside Madison's beltline. A day in the SE corner of the state on Wednesday, and a trip to the northland today, and I've heard lots of "it's about time" comments.
Those Milwaukee Area Technical College salaries look pretty high. I wonder how many classes the Cosmetologist teaches.My (hopeful) guess is that Madison Area Technical College salaries aren't that high. I know that the President makes a fairly large salary, but a mean of $95K (does that include benefits?) is more than I recall seeing when they put the database of salaries out there back in October -- after the records request was made.
The weather really has been great here the past couple days. I guess reality returns this weekend.The forecast models have not been very consistent with this coming storm yet. We'll see what happens. I'm in the hope-it-doesn't-snow this time of year, always.
For dessert tonight, green velvet cake. ( We had leftover cream cheese frosting from red velvet cupcakes on Valentine's day, but no more red food coloring. )
The President of the US and the Democratic Party have decided they know what's best for Wisconsin.Just like health care, they don't give a shit what you think or who you vote for.So STFU Wisconsin citizens, and get back to work so you can pay for union bennies.They. Own. You..
Conversation just now with my four year old:Him: "This is my credit card." Holding up an expired credit card we let him play with.Me: "What are you going to do to earn money for it?"Him: "McDonald's [bunch of Spanish I didn't understand] dinero."Me: "You're going to work at McDonald's to earn money?"Him: "Yes."Me: "What are you going to do there?"Him: "Build a grass man."Me: "You're going to get them to pay you to build a grass man?"Him: "Yes."Me: "What do you want to be when you grow up?"Him: "A dog with a light bulb nose."There you have it.
My (hopeful) guess is that Madison Area Technical College salaries aren't that high. Dream on, Mad Man. The tech colleges have their own taxing power for real estate but are not elected. Governor Doyle vetoed a bill that would have increased their accountability. There are some great tech college teachers but many of them are lazy and mediocre and get very high salaries.No accountability + taxpayer funding = high cost.
However, those very intolerant unionists will not appreciate tax paying citizens in a counter-protestWell, they won't appreciate protesters being bused in from out of state. Outside agitators should just stay home.
Milwaukee's the highest in the state, MM. And they rushed through a new 3-year deal with no-cost pensions and no-layoff provisions on Wednesday to avoid this week's ruckus. They've got a really strange socialist pay scale that pays instructors in all fields at the same rate, as I understand it. I know several of the UW Profs I showed this to last fall were very jealous!
Irene said...There will be a Tea Party rally in Madison tomorrow.Go get 'em, Irene.
Well, I looked at some salaries back in October, because I could, and I don't recall a lot of salaries exceeding $90K -- which is still a lot -- but I don't think it included benefits. But again, I don't know if the $95K average quoted includes benefits or not.MATC (Madison) had a referendum passed this past November. Their first one since in a long time...1973?News on the teachers walkout. I think they should cancel Spring Break this year to make up the days. Spring Break is in mid-April, for God's sake -- school's almost over then anyway.
Does anybody use a netbook?I'm thinking of getting one, and saw this one fairly cheap at amazon.com at 250 dollars.ASUS Eee PC 1001PX-EU27-BK 10.1-Inch Netbook (Black)I know it's offtopic but Ann said we could write about anything at all.Basically I want internet access and the ability to look things up while travelling.
I get the feeling that Althouse is far to the right of the very left leaning staff of the University.Like Joe the plumber, the professor is Labor but thinks she's Management.If I were her I'd start a little appellate consulting practice on the side, to make up for the pay cuts.
ASUS OEMs notebooks for a lot of the name players. You might even see what the equivalent name brand model is.
Like Joe the plumber, the professor is Labor but thinks she's Management.So your complaint is that she acts above her station in life? :)
Well Freeman -- that is cool. Hope you have a lot of fun up there. A lot more Althousians up there than near you.So you can get exposed in small doses.How old is the baby now?
Agreed, FLS. Outside (Organizing for America) agitators (Ed Schultz) should just (Jesse Jackson) stay home.
MadisonMan said...Well duh. American Idol is on Wednesday and Thursday.Sorry, "I" didn't know. So, what nonsense will you be watching tonight? Which TV show will be holding your rapt attention. To distraction.
Watching the evening news, it still seems like the MSM has been attending some other event than that seen by Meade and Althouse.
FLS: Well, they won't appreciate protesters being bused in from out of state. Outside agitators should just stay home.You can't be this dumb. Union peeps were being bused in on day 1.Unions who force workers to join. Then force them to send their money to the Democrat Party. And they have the gall to pretend they're all about Democracy.
...and the daughter says she saw on Twitter that Sarah Palin is coming tomorrow.
Outside agitators should just stay home.And the Organizing America folks are ....
Retired Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice William Bablitch died this week.
So, what nonsense will you be watching tonight? I'm writing a proposal (that likely won't get funded). I've just finished grading homework. Maybe later I'll look at some code that isn't working.So I guess I'm not watching any nonsense.
Sarah Palin is coming tomorrow.Why not Debbie Schussel?
MadisonMan said... ...and the daughter says she saw on Twitter that Sarah Palin is coming tomorrow.Looking for corroboration..
Unions who force workers to join. Who forced them to apply at unionized schools?
I was a public school teacher in Texas about 10 years ago. Salary was about 50K a year after teaching for 8 years. Mandatory "contributions" for the Teacher Retirement System (TRS) were about 6.4% which was matched by the state. Since the TRS is a 401(a) retirement plan Texas teachers don't pay into social security, nor do they receive social security benefits. A teacher who retires in Texas after 35 years of service gets about 4K a month retirement pay(pre-tax money.) Texas teachers pay about $300 per month for health care.It seems teachers in Madison have a much better deal, no wonder they are upset.
I read that Project Runway will begin filming in June or July.Freeman, when my son was about five he wanted to be the guy who cuts the grass along the highway.
Retired Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice William Bablitch died this week.I heard that this morning. At his winter home in Hawaii! I appreciate what he did for the state.
MadisonMan, I believe he had that home for many years. He grew coffee there.He was a very decent man.
@chickelit, I'm thinking that it won't happen. It seems a little too publicity whorish, and Ms. Palin is pretty good at seeming too much of a P.W. She's certainly not in Jesse Jackson's league that way.Rumors really fly fast and furious during events such as the one in Madison.
Hey Almost Ali if you nuthing against them Viet Congs you should have nothing against American Idol. Just sayn'
Althouse is really enjoying being at the epicenter of what's happening NOW. Althouse is the definition of cool and hip.
So I guess I'm not watching any nonsense.Good, but you had me fooled for a moment there. That is, your apparent mastery of the nonsense schedule.
Madison Man said...I heard that this morning. At his winter home in Hawaii! I appreciate what he did for the state.Dude there's a real lawyer for you. He must of got a lot of bribes to afford a home in Hawaii!
"It seems teachers in Madison have a much better deal, no wonder they are upset"------------------Just wait until when Walker unveils in his full budget that school boards and administrators have the authority to layoff teachers if they dont accept paycuts, as Walker is slashing state aid for schools. That, and proposing that the retirement age be raised by 10 years. Cant wait to hear the howling then. We will truly find out who is in it for teaching children and who is in it merely for the benefits.This stuff this week is just the tip of the iceberg.
"Althouse is really enjoying being at the epicenter of what's happening NOW. "----------------So am I. Madison, WI - one of the most liberal cities in the country - is where the anti-union movement is beginning. And if unions lose their money and power, so does the Democratic Party. We are seriously witnessing transformation before our very eyes, which is why Obama, the DNC and the AFL-CIO are in full force.
It seems teachers in Madison have a much better dealHuh?Right now an 8 year Madison teacher makes $42.7K, not $50K. After 35 years that teacher could look forward to $2,000 a month pension.
Blogger MadisonMan said......So I guess I'm not watching any nonsense.But you are reading Almost Ali's comments, so there is that.
You know if you are "Almost Ali" that makes you Leon Spinks! Just sayn'
Right now an 8 year Madison teacher makes $42.7K, not $50K. After 35 years that teacher could look forward to $2,000 a month pension.Really? But they don't pay for health care and don't pay into their own retirement system, right?And unlike most Texas teachers, they are eligible for social security at 62, right?
Some thoughts:I think we can scratch Tim Kaine off the list of people who might replace Jim Webb in 2012. Virginia is not exactly a union-dominated state, and Kaine's heavy-handed use of the DNC to hammer Wisconsin will not play well away from Fairfax County and the southeast and southwestern corners of the state.Jesse Jackson cannot resist a TV camera, can he?I asked before, and it's only partly rhetorical. Do the Democrats and the teacher's unions really believe that they are going to win the hearts and minds of independents this way? For myself, I'd have a lot more sympathy for teachers if I didn't see quite so many $35,000 and up automobiles parked in the teachers' parking lot at the local school.Penultimate thought. Will it be possible to get serious educational reform going without breaking the teacher's unions? I mean, is this confrontation inevitable?And, last thought, 5.6% of salary is a large reduction, and with all due respect, Professor, it will hit new school teachers far harder than the occupant of an endowed chair. That does bother me a bit. Not enough to say that Walker's wrong, though.
Speaking of salaries , this data base of Texas employee salaries is very cool. Mack Brown the head coach at University of Texas makes 2.5 million a year. The Dean of the UT Law School makes 387K. The Superintendent of the Houston Independent School District makes 300K.
Someone got a screen shot of what looks to be a craigslist.com ad, calling to "bloody" the tea party activists tomorrow - looks like the guy is using Obama's name (I imagine in reference to his "get in their faces" remarks made some time ago):http://rebelpundit.com/2011/02/18/disgusting-barak-obamas-ofaseiu-calls-to-bloody-the-tea-party-in-madison/Great job, Barack. Way to unite people.
I guess I can hyperlink that in here with an href? Anyway, that's where you can see the screen shot - the site is RebelPundit. I saw it on Twitter, passed on by Dana Loesch.
Remember that a lot of these teachers only work nine months out of the year when you're comparing their salaries to private sector employees.
"Right now an 8 year Madison teacher makes $42.7K, not $50K. After 35 years that teacher could look forward to $2,000 a month pension."------------------------------God, you are so full of crap.When you include the pension and health care benefits that teachers basically pay NOTHING for right now, most teachers with any kind of experience end up making at least $75K in compensation.Combine that with getting tenure after 3 years, pensions vesting after 5 years, being able to retire at age 55 with a full pension, and having the pension be 1/3 of the teacher's HIGHEST salary...yeah, I'd say thats a pretty good deal.
I don't know who Katy Perry is, but some men at the local university seem to like her.
Gubmint of the unionsby the unionsfor the unions.
Know who else gloms onto events like this? The pro-life people, that's who. With their city vans covered over with gigantic emotional provocative images of aborted fetuses. With little kids all around, sometimes even parked near the school buses. When I first saw them I thought, "How is this kind of graphic public display legal?"
I have a question which I have not seen addressed--why cannot the state leg. pass the reduction in collective bargaining scope as a separate bill, not tied to the budget? there must be some reason this is not being done, but I have not seen it addressed.
Mad Man, see this link: http://www.american-school-search.com/faculty/madison-area-technical-collegeIt says that average salary (not salary and benefits) at Madison Area Technical College is $87,000 for "full time" faculty. There are 413 full time faculty members."Full time" in the technical college world is not very full and does not involve a lot of time.
@former law student 2/18/11 @ 7:37 PM [fls is quoting]"However, those very intolerant unionists will not appreciate tax paying citizens in a counter-protest."fls reaponding: Well, they won't appreciate protesters being bused in from out of state. Outside agitators should just stay home.The Washington Post:The president's political machine worked in close coordination Thursday with state and national union officials to get thousands of protesters to gather in Madison and to plan similar demonstrations in other state capitals.Will someone tell the POTUS that he's not the COOTUS? Or if he wanted to be president of SEIU or AFL-CIO or UAW he should have gone straight for it instead of POTUS.You lefties? Be ashamed of this disgraceful, disgraceful behavior.
@TroopI'm up for that, this protest shit is boring.Thank the gods that the fat obnoxious Jersey chick was eliminated. I thought Jacob Lusk was the best male singer of the solo round...but he's way too intense...while Casey, Carson and the girl group Quadripple were the most entertaining.
most teachers with any kind of experience end up making at least $75K in compensation.Where does it say that on the Madison public schools website?Health care reform should drive down the teachers' total compensation, though.
Is WEAC ginning up another Tucson tragedy?
@ York.Love the pictures! I'd proudly post a picture of my nerdy self - but I have a conflict of interest. Althouse would recognize me and fail me and my left-wing cocoon.In other news, I posted my thoughts on my own blog. I won't link but you are welcome to click my name and wander on over.p.s. I liked the dem,dat,dose reference last night York. I almost prefer my name pronounced using your version. "Those of Sanity" sounds more lofty, don't you think?
Is WEAC ginning up another Tucson tragedy?I doubt it. The legislators' voting addreses -- which appear to be their district office addresses -- are posted by the State of Wisconsin, e.g. http://legis.wisconsin.gov/w3asp/contact/legislatorpages.aspx?house=Senate&district=28
Kirby, I got the Asus 1015pem last October. I really like it. The screen is definitely a little small. Also I ended up, a month later paying another $50, to upgrade to Windows 7 home, but that was more of a preference than a need. Everything else works really well and I'm really happy with it.
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