January 21, 2010

"Pelosi is faced with an enormous challenge because her natural style is to run a very left-wing operation and to dominate her caucus."

"She is facing the reality that the model she’s adopted is probably not sustainable when you have a country that’s in open rebellion against you."

Poor Nancy!

ADDED: Pelosi: "In every meeting that we have had, there would be nothing to give me any thought that that bill could pass right now the way that it is. There isn't a market right now for proceeding with the full bill unless some big changes are made."

52 comments:

vet66 said...

She will retreat to her walled compounds of Country Clubs and gated communities to continue her existence free of the proles she despises.

tjl said...

Krugman and many others are calling for Pelosi to double down and do whatever it takes to ram the bill through. Since this is what she wants to do anyway let's hope she takes their advice.
It would be so much fun to watch her do a Thelma and Louise and drive right off the cliff.
Steny Hoyer probably hopes for the same thing since it's no secret he'd like to be Speaker (or, after November, Minority Leader).

edutcher said...

Hoyer and Pelosi Galore can't stand each other, so a war would be so much fun to watch.

Like the other crypto-commie at the opposite end of Constitution Ave., I can't see San Fran Nan pulling back to lesser goals. She'll try to ram this through (yes, I know what Barry said, but remember what Rush said about expiration dates) and if she takes the party down with her, that's tough for the party.

Anton said...

Nancy Pelosi is, without question, the most revolting human being I have ever come across in over 50 years of existence on this planet.

AJ Lynch said...

I sense a theme today. Is it "Go Away Please"? said to ....Pelosi, Frank, Cindy McCain, Edwards, and even Beck and Obama?

traditionalguy said...

The Democrats left around in January 2011 will throw Pelossi under the bus. She is the one who lead them into the disaster.

dreams said...

To hell with Nancy!

rhhardin said...

Laura Ingraham said on Imus that two wrinkles broke through the botox in reaction.

Original Mike said...

Regarding Obama advising not ramming it through, all I heard yesterday was his opinion that the Senate not vote on anything until Brown is seated. That leaves the door open for the House to pass the Senate version. Maybe he said something further I didn't see, but I'm of the opinion that the strategy du jour is to pass the Senate bill in the House.

lucid said...

Pelosi is poisonous. She is entitled, contemptuous, domineering, intolerant, and verbally inept. She could only have come to power in the context of the rebellion against Bush. She is a good reason to vote against any and every democrat on the ballot in November.

She should be the poster-girl for Republicans.

Hoosier Daddy said...

She should be the poster-girl for Republicans

Or birth control. Just hang it up above the headboard.

Henry said...

Pelosi is Speaker of the House. In the House, if she wants to run a very left-wing operation and to dominate her caucus no one can stop her.

Even if she wants to pass laws as opposed to winning roll call votes in her chamber, she doesn't need to change. She can pass stuff out of the House and use the reconciliation process when necessary.

Meanwhile, there is nothing Pelosi can do to make the Senate functional. The Senate isn't functional.

The meme that Pelosi needs to change seems to be based on the idea that her majority is at risk. Maybe. But all she needs is a 1 vote edge and her power in the House is still absolute. That's the nature of the House.

The Drill SGT said...

Hoosier Daddy said...
Or birth control. Just hang it up above the headboard.


Pelosi, the anti-Viagra?

I was struck by this Newt quote.

[Former House Speaker] Tom Foley would basically tell me, ‘Newt, I can’t bring up that bill — They’d kick me out if I did.’”

That implies and I suspect that it is true, that in the Tom and Newt days, the Speaker and the Minority Leader could fight on the floor, but talk about the legislative agenda over a glass of bourbon later.

Somehow I doubt that Nancy is on speaking terms with any GOP leadership member, so reaching across the aisle directly is a non-starter and the normal mode of using Hoyer as the messenger no longer works because Hoyer's agenda and Pelosi's are diverging rapidly.

Mr. Forward said...

There once was a gal named Pelosi
Her future looked ever so rosy
Her fans were bereft
When she looked to the left
And was struck by a speeding tea cosey

Bob said...

Yah, my heart just bleeds.

Peter V. Bella said...

Pelosi is the power in Washington right now. Even Obama calls her Mr. President.

Pelosi is a tyrant and a dictator. Love her or hate her she is the only elected official in years who actually knows how to use and wield power. This exclusivity makes her very dangerous.

It is not just health care. Her agenda threatens the very fabric of our principles.

ricpic said...

Than Franthithco, I'm comin' home again,
Never to roam again, by gum,
Than Franthithco, I don't mean Frithco,
Than Franthithco, here I come.

kcom said...

FYNP

PatCA said...

Poor Nancy, "not sustainable," the ultimate leftist insult.

Synova said...

So is dominating seen as not so great anymore?

I remember when Pelosi became speaker the reports were that she was bullying and strong-arming junior Democrats and was punishing those with seniority who didn't pledge some sort of fealty to her by blocking committee chair-ships.

What was the most shocking was that the reports were coming from Dem/liberal political commentators like Elinor Clift, who were bragging about it with stary-eyed wonder at how strong and effective this showed Pelosi to be.

There is a significant difference between building loyalty and demanding loyalty. There is a difference between leadership and punishment.

Is this the same place that Obama came from with his "I won" thing? Like cooperation is ever anything but voluntary for everyone involved?

I don't understand, but it's certainly not the first time I've found the Democrat version of "acting tough" to be unbalanced like that and for the Democrats, like Clift or some commentors here, to think it's wonderful.

former law student said...

In an interesting coincidence:

Today in History:

1997 Speaker Newt Gingrich was fined as the House voted for first time in history to discipline its leader for ethical misconduct.

The sleeping giant tosses and turns, straining at his bonds. Is the Gingrich ready to break free to lead the GOP once more?

You're a mean one, Mr. Gingrich
You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Gingrich.

You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.

Pogo said...

Gingrich?
You wish!

JAL said...

World's Tiniest Violin Award?

My heart bleeds.

wv copiga

kcom said...

Breaking...

Pelosi: Not Enough Votes to Pass Senate Health Bill in House

Link

garage mahal said...

Dow down another 200 points today. Looks like Wall Street doesn't like Scott Brown.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Pelosi: Not Enough Votes to Pass Senate Health Bill in House


Heh. I was struck by this comment by Botox.

"We're not in a big rush. We'll pause," Pelosi said. "We have to know what our possibilities are."

That reminds me of the Dirty Harru quote: "A man's got to know his limitations."

Well Nancy, I recall that you were supposed to be getting this done last year and give the American people a Christmas present. What is it now goona be Valentines?

Ironic because for being the stupidest man on the face of the earth, Bush didn't have this much trouble getting legislation passed and he didn't have the kind of Congressional majority the Democrats have. Seems to me that there is a real serious dearth of leadership in that party.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Dow down another 200 points today. Looks like Wall Street doesn't like Scott Brown.

LOL!

Or maybe this

Obama is placing a new emphasis on Wall Street regulations, with a goal of limiting the financial sector to smaller, less interconnected firms.

garage mahal said...

Dow was down 200 points yesterday right after the win, and before any announcement of Wall Street regs. Hmmm. I heard there was going to be a huge rally if and when Brown, but the opposite has happened. Brown in, and health care reform dead, and the market is tanking.

Original Mike said...

Perhaps Wall Street is reacting to the economic ramifications of the fact that the Dems will now be switching their focus to jobs.

garage mahal said...

Must be.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Then that must be it garage. Wall Street turns on a single special election for a junior senator. Jesus, the DOW is even more fragile than Mother Gaia!

Greybeard said...

Here's your Dow driver Garage.
Be prepared for the eventual, unavoidable outcome.

garage mahal said...

It's just weird. Health care would have bankrupted this country. The most devastating blow ever landed on capitalism. All insurance companies would have been forced into bankruptcy. And no rally.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Well garage, its not all that weird to Bloomberg:

U.S. Stocks Tumble as Obama Outlines Plan on Bank Regulation

Ok garage, I'll just assume you're just being snarky but you have to admit, sometimes its kinda hard to tell the difference between your snark and plain old liberal ignorance.

Original Mike said...

""We have gone to the restaurant. We have eaten the meal. Now the only question is whether we will pay the check," said Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont.

I can think of a more colorful way to finish that analogy.

Original Mike said...

The Republicans should get together and promise to vote for the debt extension if a couple of relevant amendments, such as this:

"Republican Sen. John Thune of South Dakota immediately offered an amendment to end the bank and Wall Street bailout, officially known as the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Thune would prohibit further expenditure of TARP funds and would require that all funds paid back be used to retire debt."

are included. Otherwise, not. We have got to start tackling this disaster somewhere.

AllenS said...

Had Obama's health care passed, the insurance and pharmaceutical industries would have made beaucoup money. That's why the Dow fell, amongst other idiot Obama policies.

Original Mike said...

Interesting hypothesis, Allen.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Dow down another 200 points today. Looks like Wall Street doesn't like Scott Brown.

No.

The market doesn't like Obama and his stupid punitive stance against the financial sector

Obama speaks and the market tanks.

When it became evident that Obama likely would be elected as President, the market tanked.

When it appears that Obama and the Democrats will be stalled in their agenda...the markets go up.

Anyone see a connection here?

Paul Zrimsek said...

the international ETFs in my portfolio are down more today than the domestic ones. Is Scott Brown threatening to nuke them all?

Henry said...

Bring on the denial:

Ms. Pelosi said[,] "Some members say, and I respect this, some of the concerns that were expressed in Massachusetts were about certain provisions of the Senate bill...."

Stupid, stupid Senate.

Roger J. said...

As someone noted her face has been lifted so many times, thats really not a goatee she is wearing

Original Mike said...

Ms. Pelosi said[,] "Some members say, and I respect this, some of the concerns that were expressed in Massachusetts were about certain provisions of the Senate bill...."

Wow. They really can spin, can't they?

garage mahal said...

When it appears that Obama and the Democrats will be stalled in their agenda...the markets go up.

Anyone see a connection here?


Obama and Democrats are stalled. Markets aren't going up, therefore, no connection.

BJM said...
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Hoosier Daddy said...

Obama and Democrats are stalled.

Don't you think it takes a real special type of incompetence to have the huge majorities in Congress and still be stalled? I mean did they step too hard on the gas and flood the carburator?

Do you think that maybe its possible that the Democrats down deep inside can't stand Obama in the same way they did Clinton (I'm sorry garage, I know that stings)? Do Reid and Pelosi actually have any real power over their own?

Arturius said...

Obama and Democrats are stalled. Markets aren't going up, therefore, no connection.

No there is no connection because the market does what the market does and generally will react to tangible events such as a 9/11 or earnings reports. Brown’s election or Obama’s regulatory pronouncements may have a slight reaction but its fleeting. In a month the market will have risen and fallen and back again as the more stable minded go and grab some cheap picks.

Don't you think it takes a real special type of incompetence to have the huge majorities in Congress and still be stalled?

The Democrats truly have the big tent in which you have conservative blue dogs sitting next to East Coast liberals and Bay area socialists all of whom have little in common save for the D behind their name. Trying to control that Party in a unified manner is like herding cats whereas the GOP by and large generally follows the party line (for good or ill). That said, at least the Democrats with such a large majority have enough people within their own party that can put the brakes on monstrous bills like health care reform (although whether they can exercise the same kind of discipline with other bills remains to be seen). If enough free thinking members of the GOP had been willing to put a stop to things like Iraq, Part D and the catastrophic spending of the Bush years, they may not be slapping each other over the back over gaining one measly Senate seat.

knox said...

her natural style is to run a very left-wing operation...

Except for her vineyard, which hires non-union labor.

PatCA said:
Poor Nancy, "not sustainable," the ultimate leftist insult.

LOL. Indeed.

dick said...

Arturius,

So tell us again about how the conservative Dem senators put the brakes on that horrible bill. Instead they were bought and paid for at the expense of the public and only gave us a mea culpa when it became obvious even their own states didn't appreciate the deals. Nice ethical crew you got there.

Arturius said...

So tell us again about how the conservative Dem senators put the brakes on that horrible bill. Instead they were bought and paid for at the expense of the public and only gave us a mea culpa when it became obvious even their own states didn't appreciate the deals. Nice ethical crew you got there.

Not my crew. When it comes to the two political parties we're stuck with I tend to vote none of the above.

I'm sorry you missed the point of my post which was the lack of control for the Democrats. Obama rode to the White House on a wave of change yet his leadership on the bill has been non-existant. Pelosi and Reid then find themselves having to hog trade within their own party to get some kind of bill put forth and after its all said and done and the smoke clears the field, they still can't get the damn thing passed.

I didn't say they put the brakes on the bill for any ethical or principled reasons although in any event the end result was the same.

dick said...

Not what you said. You were talking about how the Dems had conservative members who would put the brakes on the idiocies of the liberal dDems. When you consider that the Dems voted right down the line, where are the conservatives who should have caught the idiocy of the bill? All bought and paid for.


It has been the Republicans over the years who have worked with the Dems to pass legislation. The Dems do all they can to lock out anyone not a Dem even daring to suggest a change to their bills. And the Dems then have the nerve to talk about how they have reached out to the Republicans. The rewriting of History is a wonderful thing to watch and we Republicans are in the process of watching that right now.

Arturius said...

Not what you said. You were talking about how the Dems had conservative members who would put the brakes on the idiocies of the liberal dDems.

I didn't say anything of the sort. I suggest you re-read my orginal post without the ideological blinders. Here let me assist you:

That said, at least the Democrats with such a large majority have enough people within their own party that can put the brakes on monstrous bills like health care reform

Enough people, not conservative, not liberal, just people which was the point of my post; that the Democrats have enough 'diveristy' within their party that proceeding on a unified front is near impossible without having to make major concessions that you would normally have to hand to the other party (GOP in this instance) to get a bill passed.