November 2, 2023

Jordan Peterson — out of context.

I ran into that on "Twitter" today and found it funny enough to watch twice. Then I read some of the replies and can see that not everyone gets it: "What a dishonest video. Do better"/"Crappy cuts. But feel good in your demonizing."

26 comments:

Kay said...

Cons of Twitter?

Joe Smith said...

Could go either way on Peterson but it's pretty funny.

Is it even him?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

His speech cadence lends itself beautifully to manipulation.

I wonder if they used AI to make it.

lonejustice said...

I really like Jordon Peterson. But that is really funny!

The Crack Emcee said...

That was brilliant. And he's about due.

Rich said...

Mr Peterson appears to be a successful goober whisperer, skimming cash from disaffected, socially inept, stale-thinking, left-behind white males with a downscale mixture of retread superstition, pop self-help psychology, and assurances that pining for the good old days (which never existed) is a good call.

Carry on, clingers.

Jonas said...

I think this was made by Very Tall Bart who is also on Twitter: https://twitter.com/TallBart?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Somewhat longer videos on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@verytallbart?si=sw8vTT7biqOIet7w

Highly recommended.

I recently learned this genre is called "YouTube poops," YTP for short.

rcocean said...

Its funny. Too bad Peterson's real comments on wars in Gaza and Ukraine are so incredibly NOT funny.

mezzrow said...

Peterson's controversial, like our friend Crack.

Easy to demonize. If you use enough words, people will twist them, especially if you're convinced of their truth. Right?

That said, this is hilarious.

rehajm said...

It has a bad lip reading vibe. A okay with me but let’s fuck with liberals and Crack next…

farmgirl said...

I see, Rich- that some people have to work reeeaally hard to be and asshat.

… &then there’s you- coming by it naturally.
What a prince.

Be best …

Jamie said...

Mr Peterson appears to be a successful goober whisperer, skimming cash from disaffected, socially inept, stale-thinking, left-behind white males with a downscale mixture of retread superstition, pop self-help psychology, and assurances that pining for the good old days (which never existed) is a good call.

Carry on, clingers.


Have you actually listened to him, Rich? Would you deign to share your thoughts on his explorations of the importance of archetype? Or is he just too, too Qanon for you to recognize that Joseph Campbell, lib hero, says the same kind of things? How about his efforts to bring together clergy and intellectuals of the Abrahamic faiths to facilitate conversations about what we have in common, rather than what divides us?

Also: such condescension. "Goobers"? Do you mean young men who haven't found and despair of finding meaning in their lives? How dare you?

I have two sons who are not troubled in this way; thank God, they have a father who has modeled responsible, productive manhood to them. But if they were the "goobers" of your little diatribe, I sure as hell hope someone in their lives would tell them that the key to their real, deep happiness is in their hands - not in declaring themselves victims, not in waiting for "someone" to do "something" for them, not in externalizing their anger and frustration to focus on a "cause," certainly not in demonizing or ridiculing anyone else - but in working to make themselves good, strong men through purposeful action.

"Pop self-help psychology," my ass - what you get from pop self-help - and indeed from a lot of expensive pros - today is "validation" of your almighty feeeeeelings without regard to reality, your own responsibilities, or the fact that you live among other human beings. Take your snark and shove it.

The clip was funny, but not for the reasons those with no actual Peterson context think.

Ampersand said...

There's both a humor concept and a truth concept at work here.

The humor piece is that we all have access to tools that make it ridiculously easy to make anyone look like the quintessence of wrong, and that's funny.

The truth concept is that Jordan Peterson's willingness to put himself forward as a spokesperson for the sane among us, at great personal and professional cost, has made him into a force that the crazy left believes they have to stop. That belief has, for them, a transcendent moral urgency that suspends moral rules.

Michael K said...

"Rich" is confident that he/she is a masculine male with lots of the big T so as not to be "left behind." Try not to be such as asshole, "Rich."

Dagwood said...

Rich, who has trouble comprehending Horton Hears a Who, thinks everyone else is an idiot for listening to Peterson, who is light years beyond Rich's ability to formulate ideas.

Saint Croix said...

ha ha ha ha

nice editing

MOfarmer said...

Excellent comment by Jamie.

Rich said...

@Jamie: I've watched some of his videos and seen some interviews. Peterson figured out how to make a version of "The Secret" that is successfully marketed to disaffected middle class males. He strikes me as a quasi-intellectual who has some rather bland ideas which translate well for his educated, if suggestible, audience.

Or put another way, he is cashing in on the rare dream of Tony Robbins-types everywhere: he has created emancipatory self-help for the majority. Rejoice my fellow caucasians, for we are now free to do our good work.

As an upper middle-class American male, I find his message dull, fatuous, and obnoxious. An angry daddy on TV telling me who to buck up and man up and blame the liberals and love my family and grow a pair and ... Zzzzzzzz. Sorry? what? I fell asleep listening to an angry, disaffected, frustrated Canadian academic lecture me about how to be a bolder and better American man.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The generational Hamas-Nazi supporters will assume it's real.

Tomcc said...

The Judeo-Christian ethic isn't for everyone, Rich.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Blogger farmgirl lands a roundhouse bitchslap, knocks him into the last century.
Out comes the mouthpiece...
He's in La La land...
dangling on the ropes...
Lights out.
This contest is OVER!

boatbuilder said...

"Mr Peterson appears to be a successful goober whisperer, skimming cash from disaffected, socially inept, stale-thinking, left-behind white males with a downscale mixture of retread superstition, pop self-help psychology, and assurances that pining for the good old days (which never existed) is a good call.

Carry on, clingers."

Hah! Looks like they got one!

Marcus Bressler said...

I am a great fan of Dr. Peterson. Even I know it was edited clips put together for effect. I thought it was hilarious.

MarcusB. THEOLDMAN

Marcus Bressler said...

Rich: Make your bed.

Best, JBP

The Crack Emcee said...

Look at Rich, kicking over the hornets nest. And apparently reaping the whirlwind. Whirl, y'all, whirl!

I think it's interesting, the things people see and don't see, or the things they want to see and don't want to see. Like, I wonder how Rich can miss the cultural importance of this epic, career-making take-down of a BBC feminist - or not cheer Peterson on in his fight for free speech up north - just as I wonder how someone as smart as Jamie could miss how Peterson seemed to go off the rails when he started his meat diet, coming out for religion, and making other changes. Or that there IS also an unattractive "angry daddy" side that's emerged since he's gotten a little weird (though claiming he's selling The Secret, or acting like Tony Robbins, is a stretch). Ultimately, Peterson is an odd bird, who I've found more helpful than harmful, though he seems to be leaning toward wanting to be the latter, as time goes on.

I definitely don't think arguing about him is appropriate, and I'm pretty sure he'd agree.

Rich said...

@ Crack — use, as a illustration, Peterson's speech available on youtube, "2017/06/28: Postmodern NeoMarxism: Diagnosis and Cure," in which Peterson ironically seeks to shut down speech with which he does not agree. Listen to him rail not about society's injustices but to his worldview where the blame for the disempowerment of retrograde people like him are those "whiny victims" whose existence he ruthlessly denies and degrades. What a farce.

I find it fascinating that Peterson thinks that all of life is "perched on the point between chaos and order," that his audience is men who are "constantly outperformed and humiliated by women," and that "chaos is the eternal feminine." I would love to hear how he reached these conclusions. Perhaps he’s is channeling Freud on castration anxiety.

One thing I admire about Peterson is his willingness to be wrong. In one of his videos, he says you have to put yourself out there, even if it turns out later that you were wrong. I call that courage.