January 15, 2023

"The biggest problem with the Joe Biden documents story is that we know only what Joe Biden's lawyers have told us."

Writes Byron York (at Washington Examiner).

70 comments:

wendybar said...

WHY aren't all of his homes being raided?? Why did they trust the old bastard to go home to Wilmington?? So he could get rid of any other classified documents that Hunter probably has in his bedroom?? This is why I don't trust ANY of them. THEY did this to themselves, and they all deserve to hang.

Gusty Winds said...

Trump more than likely had documents damaging to the FBI. So they raided his home and went through Melania's underwear drawer.

There was a flurry of Biden activity regarding Ukraine and China in the last days of the Obama administration. We already know what documents were important to him and his fellow grifters.

I thought Bill Clinton was the most white trash President in American history...and then along came the Bidens.

2023 is going to be insane. You ready??

gilbar said...

who ELSE could, or Would, tell us ?
The DNC? When they talk about "Joe Biden's lawyers', they MEAN the DNC's lawyers
The FBI? The FBI is Owned and Operated by the DNC?
The Media! roflmao!

Josephbleau said...

Sounds like the current plan is to say no one can release any evidence until the special prosecutor is done. And he won’t be done till 2025. So they will hide the dirt for two elections.

narciso said...

because his atty's husband, brett holmgren, is a deep stater, with clearances higher than most of these people, he was on the transition selecting the intel officials, she had joined covington right before the maralago raid,

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

"Right now, beyond a very few details furnished by the Justice Department in the announcement of the appointment of special counsel Robert Hur, everything the public knows about the classified documents has come from the Biden team. "

The whole thing smells... but not in the way the loyal D-narrative media are selling it.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Most of the Trump "docs" were not documents at all. Time magazine covers.

Dude1394 said...

This is TOP SECRET stuff. You know damaging to the health of our country and over 200 million people. This is serious business, the fbi should be banging down the door and rifling through Jill’s panty drawer. I mean this is missing TOP SECRET NATIONAL SECURITY ULTRA IMPORTANT stuff.

Our doj/fbi are totally corrupt, there is no doubt. They must be razed to the ground.

Yancey Ward said...

It would interesting to know who exactly forced the lawyers' hands on this issue. It has to be someone pretty high up in the Democrat party who knew Biden had these documents (it was probably on the check-out list of the documents indicating that Biden had them, and had not returned them). That someone informed Biden's lawyers to start looking for them, and that someone was willing to sit on this until after the mid-terms in order to not damage the party further, but that someone also told Biden it would not be kept secret forever.

I think the goal is not to get Biden to step aside, but to get Biden to renounce a second term. My money is on Nancy Pelosi, who will be supporting a Gavin Newsom candidacy.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

If Trump had the goods on the FBI - he needed to do something about it already.
What's the deal with waiting?

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Read the link.

Biden's lawyers carefully crafted this whole thing. There is a reason. Why?
Hack -D press looks the other way. Obeys the narrative.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

If Trump’s negotiating with the archivist was deemed “uncooperative” and warranted an armed raid by the FBI then why is the repeated lie from Biden’s team “that’s all of them, we pinky swear” not stimulating the same armed response by our American Gestapo? The FBI’s credibility is being degraded with every new revelation from Biden’s team, and Biden’s lawyers don’t even have authority to see the documents they have been sent to search for.

Aren’t we all feeling lucky now, again, that the Turtle kept Garland off the SCOTUS?

Dave Begley said...

When will the FBI tell us how much crypto the Bidens own?

Temujin said...

Well, exactly. The Dems got out in front of this the minute they decided Joe's time was done. They'd got through the mid-terms, doing far better than anyone expected (with a huge assist from the Repubs and the Supreme Court). They'd gotten more out of Joe than anyone expected back during his campaign, when they had to keep him 'lidded' from 9:30 am- on.

But now, they're done with him. They, somehow 'found' these files. And look- over there!- more files, more docs. So neatly laid out. They've grabbed control of the narrative, and this storyline will go as they direct if from here. With an assist from the DoJ, and Senate, and the media.

Joe is done. Long live The Cackle.

hombre said...

Well, after all, "We choose truth over facts." Joe Biden

Actually, we only know what his lawyers have said after it was washed by the leftmedia.

Mike Sylwester said...

I speculate that the bulk of Trump's documents are related to the RussiaGate investigation. In the last days of his presidency, he ordered all such documents be declassified, but that order was being resisted.

Therefore, it makes sense that he took such documents with him from the White House. Also, it makes sense that he says he has declassified those documents.

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I speculate further that the bulk of Joe Biden's documents are related to the influence-peddling efforts of his son Hunter Biden.

Perhaps Joe Biden thinks those documents exonerate the Bidens to some extent. For example, perhaps the CIA published some reports or assessments indicating that Hunter Biden's activities in Ukraine, China, etc. were not necessarily corrupt.

Perhaps Joe Biden was expecting some future investigations or prosecutions and wanted to make sure he had some such evidence for legal defenses.

If that was the situation, then it makes sense that some lawyers working for the Bidens decided to inventory all such documents in early November, when it seemed the Republicans would win control of Congress. The Bidens and their lawyers figured that such investigations and prosecutions might be imminent.

If so, then the participating lawyers refused to participate in a cover-up. They insisted that the document inventory be provided to the US Government.

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Anyway, that is my own speculation about this situation.

Once written, twice... said...

The big winner in all of this is Hillary Clinton. Her e-mails did not matter anymore than mishandled documents by the Trump and Biden teams. It is a cheap gotcha game that both sides can play and it started against her.

hombre said...

Well, after all, "We choose truth over facts." Joe Biden

Actually, we only know what his lawyers have said after it was washed by the leftmedia.

Readering said...

Government trying to retrieve Trump's stash for a year before resorting to search warrant for just MAL, and then it was Trump's side that publicized the effort.

Readering said...

And there has been a second location for Trump docs, turned over by Trump, since FBI lacks probable cause for more warrants.

Jersey Fled said...

Where are the traditional leaks from “officials with knowledge of the investigation “.

Oh, I forgot…

RoseAnne said...

The fact it took 2 years for them to vacate the offices tells you all you need to know about the financial ethics of the Penn Biden Center. What do they actually "do"?

Big Mike said...

"The biggest problem with the Joe Biden documents story is that we know only what Joe Biden's lawyers have told us."

Not really. If it’s true that the original ten documents, which were stored in a facility to which foreign nationals had ready access, contained sensitive compartmented information (SCI), then that is a huge problem. SCI often indicates sources and methods.

Big Mike said...

2023 is going to be insane. You ready??

No. I was able to cope with idiot Jimmy Carter and his cadre of stupid Georgia redneck advisors. The trash Biden uses for advisors are much worse.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Wendy - read the link.

His lawyers are the ones who "found the documents"

yeah - that's right. This is all a mob mirage.

Michael K said...

I think the goal is not to get Biden to step aside, but to get Biden to renounce a second term. My money is on Nancy Pelosi, who will be supporting a Gavin Newsom candidacy.

Good point. The next bombshell will involve Kamala to take her out. Then Newsom, who is as much an empty shell as she is, can walk in.

narciso said...

this is the pillow covering team

Milo Minderbinder said...

The biggest problems with Biden's documents are that (1) the DOJ knew of them before the election and said nothing, and (2) the FBI has let Biden's lawyers "find" them.

When you're dead, you don't know it. All the pain is felt by others. The same thing happens when you're stupid.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

Cut the FBI some slack. They’re busy planning, recruiting and financing the next Dem Opp for the 2024 election. Maybe kidnapping Newsom this time? Anyway, they probably haven’t finished analyzing Melania’ panties yet. Joe is way down on their list of priorities.

cassandra lite said...

The worst thing that's happened in this country--the one thing that, more than any other, has enabled all the others--is the news media's abrogation of its traditional role. We don't know what they don't want to look for.

tim maguire said...

Readering said...Government trying to retrieve Trump's stash for a year before resorting to search warrant for just MAL, and then it was Trump's side that publicized the effort.

Trump was in negotiations over those documents. It's a lie to pretend that he simply refused to turn them over. His position was that they are his and so he doesn't need to turn them over. The government has thus far provided zero evidence that Trump wasn't right.

alanc709 said...

Has the Justice Department disclosed the clearance level of those searching for the classified documents?

TreeJoe said...

Does anyone wonder why someone would have their personal lawyers packing up offices and going through files?

It's very simple. Hillary Clinton was probably the most public master of this.

Because you can hide behind your lawyers, and yours lawyers can hide behind client privilege.

Do we not see what money can buy? You can legally use a 3rd party to take actions that neither they nor you have to answer to or respond to in normal course of law. If you can afford it.

I have to say: Who actually believes the "personal lawyers" came across TS-SCIF materials and STOPPED READING THEM "after they discovered the first."

That is such obvious bullshit. Of course they catalogued everything, discussed with their principal(s), destroyed anything too toxic, then raised a flag if they felt they needed to.

That's how this stuff works.

Maynard said...

I think the goal is not to get Biden to step aside, but to get Biden to renounce a second term. My money is on Nancy Pelosi, who will be supporting a Gavin Newsom candidacy.

I fully agree with the first sentence.

As to the second sentence, what do you do about Kamala? She is a female POC while Newsome has zero points on the Dem diversity scale.

Chuck said...

The biggest problem with Byron York writing about Joe Biden documents story, is that Byron seemingly can't recall what Byron York wrote last year about the Donald Trump documents story.

https://www.dailyadvance.com/opinion/editorial_columnists/byron-york-mar-a-lago-chaos-is-classic-anti-trump-frenzy/article_f4ab43a8-2f39-5ee2-8d3b-a767fb4bdea1.html

planetgeo said...

I think most people are missing the reason for "why now?", incorrectly assuming that it's to get rid of Biden. Why would they do that? He's the perfect empty vessel to sail all their craziest leftist schemes. Nobody else (not Obama, not Kamala, nobody) could have imposed half the nutty stuff he's imposed on this country. Everybody just shrugs and figures "it's just crazy old Uncle Joe." Think about it.

No. The simple reason they have done this now is that the Republicans just won the House and are about to start investigations. They are obviously scrambling to get ahead of the subpoenas by "voluntarily" finding and very partially revealing what has been hidden to date. If they hadn't, there are many, many others in the DOJ/FBI/WH/DNC cabal of co-conspirators who would have gotten enmeshed in the revelations and faced the pain and costs of "the process". Some will anyway. But this gives them some cover.

Amexpat said...

The biggest problem with Joe Biden is Joe Biden. As Obama reputedly said of him: "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up."

And things were going so well for him. The mid-term elections were better than expected, and the successful help given to Ukraine made everyone forget the Afghanistan fiasco.

Now this stupid self inflicted action is undermining his presidency and taking the focus away from Trump's similar problem.

n.n said...

Biden's cache is like Clinton's water closet.

narciso said...

this inspired my deeper dive,


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/01/the_corvette_files.html

n.n said...

The archivist has a many selective interest in public records. That, or the handlers. Impeachment 3.0 or is it 4.0? I've lost count.

Narr said...

This kind of thing is enough to make you think that The Organs can make scandals appear and disappear like Penn and Teller.

Given the general incompetence and partisanship that prevails in those circles, I have little doubt that whatever actual natsec secrets can be found among Trump's and Biden's souvenirs and mementos are known to our adversaries already and by other means.

Gusty Winds said...

Blogger Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
If Trump had the goods on the FBI - he needed to do something about it already.
What's the deal with waiting?


What was he going to do prior to the GOP taking the house and the release of the Twitter files? Those can be game changers. At the moment he doesn't have to do anything. It might slowly be done. And it's being done without breaking any laws about release of classified information.

What do you think? A President or former President can just control everything in the swamp on a whim? Trump was one man, with a few close allies (let's be thankful for Matt Gaetz), and tens of millions of supporters.

He doesn't have to shit right now. Neither does DeSantis. That's good for both of them, and anyone opposed to the swamp. Let McCarthy now do his job. The job that Trump allies are forcing him to do. Don't kid yourself. Trump had a hand in the Freedom Caucus holdout and it's negotiations which went quite well.

The new TDS is almost as irrational as the old. What is it you actually want to succeed? You want to hand Trump over to the Romans and think that solves the problems we both agree exist? You're gonna pretend the Romans aren't going to then crucify DeSantis upside down?

I don't get it because I still think we are on the same side.

BIII Zhang said...

Wait, do you mean that the news media in the United States are mere stenographers for the Democrat Party?

Is that what you're saying?

Classified documents weren't found in Joe Biden's garage because it's not Joe Biden's garage. It's Hunter Biden's garage.

Nobody is asking why Hunter Biden is in possession and has access to classified US government documents.

And the reason that nobody is asking is because Joe Biden's lawyers have told the media to say that they're in Joe Biden's garage.

But Joe Biden doesn't own that house.

Hunter Biden does.

BIII Zhang said...

Wait, do you mean that the news media in the United States are mere stenographers for the Democrat Party?

Is that what you're saying?

Classified documents weren't found in Joe Biden's garage because it's not Joe Biden's garage. It's Hunter Biden's garage.

Nobody is asking why Hunter Biden is in possession and has access to classified US government documents.

And the reason that nobody is asking is because Joe Biden's lawyers have told the media to say that they're in Joe Biden's garage.

But Joe Biden doesn't own that house.

Hunter Biden does.

typingtalker said...

I'm sure there are readers of this blog who work in industries that have strict requirements and regulations about document retention and access -- healthcare, securities, aviation, banking, law and law enforcement, etc.

What would happen to you if you were found to have removed regulated documents (the documents and/or copies) and stored them unsecured in your garage?

Termination? Fine? Loss of license? Slap on the wrist?

Kathryn51 said...

I believe that the attorney in charge of the initial "boxing up" process left the White House counsel's office in August and went to work for a white shoe law firm and became Biden's personal attorney.

How does this work? While in the White House, her client is the White House and any information regarding Biden's activities outside of the White House are NOT privileged. Someone gets a hint that ole' Joe hasn't been exactly careful about his personal records. She leaves the WH, becomes his personal attorney and the first action item is to not only clean up the mess he left at the Penn center but discover just how bad it might be.

As Byron York says - we are now in the middle of the story. And our "justice" system knows exactly how this works and they understand that when they were notified in November, we were in the middle of the story.

We will learn how and why the story began when the Dems (translation: Clyburn) are ready to toss him aside. I wonder if they are trying to figure out how to make Kamala "adjacent" to the scandal.

Jersey Fled said...

His lawyers are the ones who "found the documents"

And what “didn’t “ they find?

Drago said...

Once written, twice...: "The big winner in all of this is Hillary Clinton. Her e-mails did not matter anymore than mishandled documents by the Trump and Biden teams."

The russia russia russia collusionists keep trying to rewrite history and keep failing spectacularly.

Hillary purposely destroyed evidence under subpoena, had her staff members "scrape" classification markings off documents, kept records on her completely unsecured home brew server and then bleachbit-ted that server. There are about a hundred other salient differences that could be noted as well.

But thanks for playing. It was a pathetic effort, but under the circumstances, what else were you going to do?

Jess said...

Theoretically, the attorneys might have broken laws if they read anything in the documents. To add insult injury, many involved in any investigation might be exposed to the same problem. So, we have people needing to develop a defense, or present charges, who can't do either due to the nature of the documents.

So, we have a paradox, and thinking the typical methods of handling the problem is probably futile. If I had to handle this problem, the first step would be removing Biden from office, determining if national security was compromised, and only having military rules followed for any prosecution. Biden is the head of the military, and the military is who should investigate.

Drago said...

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker: "If Trump had the goods on the FBI - he needed to do something about it already.
What's the deal with waiting?"

Trump was threatened by your hero GOPe-ers that they would vote with democraticals to impeach and remove him from office if he (Trump) "interfered" in any way with the non-stop sham investigations.

And there were plenty of GOPe-ers lined up to do just that in coordination with their democratical allies. That's how they kept Trump in check to a great degree, in addition to McConnell making it very clear that any and every strong Trump supporter would be denied the Senate votes necessary for cabinet positions. Then, those that were allowed thru played along with the GOPe-ers and dems to not actually try to implement any Trump policies.

That's another reason the GOPe-ers and dems are petrified of a Trump second potential win: those threats would not work a second time and Trump would run roughshod over the dems/GOPe BS "security" claims.

Jess said...

Theoretically, the attorneys might have broken laws if they read anything in the documents. To add insult injury, many involved in any investigation might be exposed to the same problem. So, we have people needing to develop a defense, or present charges, who can't do either due to the nature of the documents.

So, we have a paradox, and thinking the typical methods of handling the problem is probably futile. If I had to handle this problem, the first step would be removing Biden from office, determining if national security was compromised, and only having military rules followed for any prosecution. Biden is the head of the military, and the military is who should investigate.

Iman said...

Corvette Owner:

gold chain… ✔️

loud of mouth… ✔️

thick of neck…

short of dick… ✔️


Biden is 3 for 4.

traditionalguy said...

The attorney client privilege is the nuclear weapon used for covering up evidence of your crimes . (See, Blood, Money and Power by Barr McClellan.) The attorneys are afraid of their Client having them disbarred. It worked for LBJ in a major murder case.

narciso said...

they had to get through a gauntlet of mcconnell cotton flake bennett, murkowski later romney and some gope player tba, so barr and esper got the confy chair, but whitaker and miller (were not,) miller didn't award himself with laurels either,

whats the bigger story,

https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/looking-bigger-all-the-time



Jamie said...

Drago, my read of the "Hillary is the big winner here" comment is not that her emails and her actions were of similar character to Biden's (and Trump's) classified docs, but rather that they've been treated the same way as Biden's - as a nothingburger, despite her obvious ill (myself, I think obvious criminal) intent in how she dealt with them. I think the commenter was saying that now that Biden has, in the eyes of the press and therefore a lot of the public, done the "same thing," she's scot-free.

Yancey Ward said...

Maynard asked:

"As to the second sentence, what do you do about Kamala? She is a female POC while Newsome has zero points on the Dem diversity scale."

Nothing has to be done about Kamala- she couldn't even make it to Iowa last time. The only way she has even 1% chance of winning the nomination is if Biden resigns, is impeached and removed, or dies in office allowing her to run as President. Newsom or others really just need Biden out of the way. I think Biden is easily beatable in the primaries, even running for re-election- it took a coordinated effort at the highest levels of the Democratic Party to fix the last primary election cycle for Biden- he wasn't capable of winning a single state on his own effort.

Mr Wibble said...

As to the second sentence, what do you do about Kamala? She is a female POC while Newsome has zero points on the Dem diversity scale.
------

The same thing that Biden did: cut a deal with thw CBC and race hustlers for an endorsement. The goal is to keep Harris from running as the incumbent in 2024.

Jim at said...

Aren’t we all feeling lucky now, again, that the Turtle kept Garland off the SCOTUS?

I'm not so sure. He's far more dangerous - and doing much more damage - in his current position than simply being one of nine on SCOTUS.

narciso said...

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/01/15/andrew-mccabe-calls-on-bidens-doj-to-obstruct-gops-classified-documents-probe-n1661962

Political Junkie said...

I don't really care because...
1.As Mickey Kaus says, these laws are archaic and act as if there is no cell phone camera, photocopier, etc. It is not 1960.
2. What ever the facts on the ground, the R will be shitted upon and Dementia D will be coddled.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Gusty - I like you so don't ever take what I say personally.

Trump is handing himself off to the Romans. with each moronic dick-step.

Rusty said...

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
"Gusty - I like you so don't ever take what I say personally.

Trump is handing himself off to the Romans. with each moronic dick-step."
And yet, with this answer, you take Trump personally.
He was alone in the arena. And you criticize him for what he didn't do, or did badly. Never a word from you for the one thing he did right. The one thing he deserves praise for.
He held a light up to Washington DC and we got to experience just how corrupt, self serving and evil it is. We got to see exactly what our political betters think about us. We got to see first hand the militarization of our institutions.
there's icecream. I gotta go.

Jerry said...

"He held a light up to Washington DC and we got to experience just how corrupt, self serving and evil it is. We got to see exactly what our political betters think about us. We got to see first hand the militarization of our institutions."

And we wouldn't have seen it so clearly without that light.

I've lost a great deal of respect for many of the governmental institutions I trusted, and even organizations like the military and the CDC have been damaged severely.

It will be painful coming back from it.














alanc709 said...

DOJ now admitting that the lawyers investigating (and recovering) Joe Biden's "misplaced" classified documents do not have security clearance to handle classified documents. Silence from the left on that, because it's indefensible. Of course, none of these people will ever be charged, let alone found guilty, of committing any crime.

Brian said...

I think the goal is not to get Biden to step aside, but to get Biden to renounce a second term. My money is on Nancy Pelosi, who will be supporting a Gavin Newsom candidacy.

Or Hillary. Her AppleTV series was titled "Gutsy" and was all about a hero's journey of being brave and tackling the issues of today as only women can.

She's running in 2024. It's her last shot. She needs to clear the decks.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Jerry - top many spaces!

Rusty - Eternally grateful someone beat Hillary. It happened to be Trump. Trump was on a roll but he could not sustain it because he surrounded himself with the wrong people, and he walked into every trap. and now? Super hero cards? Dick stepping word salad? He's too old.

Super hero - he is not.

Rusty said...

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said..."
It wasn't about Hillary. It was always about the institutional corruption that is Washington DC. Hence the TEA party. I don't know how many times I have to explain this.
" Trump was on a roll but he could not sustain it because he surrounded himself with the wrong people,"
Many of whom were thrust upon him. As I said He was alone in the arena. The establishment GOP hated him just as much as the Democrats.
Why? Because he interrupted the flow of graft. And that. In DC. Is unforgivable.

Drago said...

Jamie: "Drago, my read of the "Hillary is the big winner here" comment is not that her emails and her actions were of similar character to Biden's (and Trump's) classified docs, but rather that they've been treated the same way as Biden's - as a nothingburger, despite her obvious ill (myself, I think obvious criminal) intent in how she dealt with them. I think the commenter was saying that now that Biden has, in the eyes of the press and therefore a lot of the public, done the "same thing," she's scot-free."

Understood.

Thanks

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Rusty -
Yeah - nothing is ever Trump's fault.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Also Rusty - I don't recall Trump being part of the Tea Party movement.