September 21, 2022

"His book feels somewhat hasty. Clichés tumble over one another... interwoven with over-the-top claims: that the Proud Boys turned Berkeley, Calif., 'into an almost perpetual war zone' and altogether have organized 'some of the most gruesome acts of political violence in modern American history.'..."

"The Proud Boys have four 'degree'” of membership. For the first degree, one merely takes an oath; for the fourth and highest degree, writes Campbell, 'a Proud Boy must commit a significant act of political violence or get arrested.' A more unexpected, and revealing, requirement faces second-degree hopefuls: They must swear not to masturbate more than once a month. This comes from McInnes’s belief that pornography-induced masturbation drains away the testosterone that would otherwise make men better fighters for the beleaguered white race.... Although Campbell does not explore it, far-right paranoia about pornography goes all the way back to 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.'... These anxieties reflect a greater fear: that what’s being lost is not just testosterone but masculinity itself.... A researcher who studied 43 McInnes videos that drew more than a million views each on YouTube found that only three had to do with race, while 26 concerned women, gender or feminism. One, entitled 'Single Moms: Stop Talking About How Brave and Cool You Are,' drew 2.1 million views....."

Writes Adam Hochschild in "The Proud Boys and the Long-Lived Anxieties of American Men," a review of the new book "WE ARE PROUD BOYS: How a Right-Wing Street Gang Ushered In a New Era of American Extremism," by Andy Campbell.

72 comments:

Mike Sylwester said...

The review was published in The New York Times.

Rusty said...

Now do Antifa.

Howard said...

I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

rhhardin said...

Pride goes with pooping.

tim maguire said...

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was about the right-wing obsession with pornography? I've never read it (I doubt Hochschild has either), but I'm pretty sure that's not what it's about.

RideSpaceMountain said...

"that the Proud Boys turned Berkeley, Calif., 'into an almost perpetual war zone'"

Actually no they didn't...but they damn well should have.

Mike Sylwester said...

Although Campbell does not explore it, far-right paranoia about pornography goes all the way back to 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.'

I assume that Adam Hochschild, the NYT reviewer, thinks that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was an anti-Semitic forgery -- not really a "Protocol" of some Jewish elders.

If it was an anti-Semitic forgery, then what exactly is Hochschild's point here?

Was this book about The Proud Boys in the USA in the year 2022 really supposed relate that organization's teachings about pornography to an anti-Semitic forgery concocted 120 years ago?

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By the way, is the NYT reviewer Adam Hochschild himself Jewish?

If so, then what does his own Jewish religion teach about pornography?

Why didn't Hochschild write in his review that The Proud Boys' teachings about pornography go all the way back to the Torah?

rrsafety said...

They are a bunch of weirdos.

Temujin said...

Well...I could never be a Proud Boy.

Amadeus 48 said...

There is more than a hint of self- parody in this. I think our intrepid author got metaphorically sucker-punched, and the reviewer is going with it.

Howard went to Gen. Jack D. Ripper. I had the same thought.

Rusty suggests a full exam of antifa. I agree. It sounds like those people are laying a lot of Antifa action at the door of the Proud Boys.

Maybe The Proud Boys are just against wasting time. I would think that their stand against porn would earn plaudits from the feminist scolds that inhabit the NYT and environs.

MikeR said...

Wikipedia "The total number of Proud Boys members is unknown. Reports estimate membership between several hundred up to 6,000." Huge problem.

Mike Sylwester said...

This comes from McInnes’s belief that pornography-induced masturbation drains away the testosterone that would otherwise make men better fighters for the beleaguered white race.... Although Campbell does not explore it, far-right paranoia about pornography goes all the way back to 'The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.'...

In the Jewish Torah -- specifically in Genesis 38:9-10 -- masturbation is condemned in the story about Onan.

Onan ... spilled his semen on the ground ... What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

Doesn't the NYT reviewer Adam Hochschild think that the book's author Andy Campbell should have explored the concept that far-right paranoia about pornography and masturbation goes all the way back to the Jewish Torah?

gilbar said...

yup! Berkley USED TO BE a land of perpetual peace, prior to the Proud Boys.
haha

Tom T. said...

We used to hear made-up stories about how street gangs would initiate new members by driving around with their high-beams on, and telling them to kill the first driver who flashed his lights at them. My guess is that this new book contains a similar level of sensationalist fakery.

chuck said...

Last time I visited Berkeley (2019), it was shabby and the sidewalks occupied by the homeless, but no way a war zone. Who believes this stuff? It's stupid all the way down.

Ann Althouse said...

Here's the part about porn and the Protocols:

"In Protocol No. 14 of that notorious forgery, now more than a century old, Jews supposedly create “filthy, abominable literature” to distract the goyim from their scheme to take over the world. In recent years, similar attacks branding pornography as a Jewish plot have come from right-wing terrorists ranging from Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people in Norway in 2011, to Robert Bowers, charged with fatally shooting 11 at a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018."

Bob Boyd said...

I'm out.

Wilbur said...


Maybe the Proud Boys are like those people who can't vote because of voter ID laws; the Left desperately wants them to exist but have trouble actually finding one.

Quaestor said...

“…the Proud Boys turned Berkeley, Calif., ‘into an almost perpetual war zone’ and have organized ’some of the most gruesome acts of political violence in modern American history.’…”

Heck, yeah! Tell it brother! Like the time the Proud Boys (or was it the Boogaloos?) gunned down a sitting United States Congressman so that now he sits permanently in a wheelchair. No? Waddaya mean no? Are you sure? OK, forget that one.

Then there was the time the Proud Boys of Portland chased down an Asian-American journalist and beat him senseless, cracking his skull... Say what? Huh?

And just this week a 41-year-old Proud Boy assassinated an 18-year-old registered Democrat from North Dakota who praised President Biden's monumental speech about Ultra-MAGA extremism and... Ah, shit. Don't go away! I've got my copy of the annotated Protocols of the Elders of Zion in my hip pocket. We can talk about the Joos and the Koreans... Hey! Wait a minute... Wait! I got reviewed in the New York Times! Wait! Come back!!

Temujin said...

Me, as my wife walks in on me: Oops.
My wife: What the hell are you doing?
Me: The Jews made me do it.
Wife: You're Jewish.
Me: See?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

There’s been a theme here lately that too much of modern journ-O-lism is simply lifting topics from Twitter and Facebook and TikTok, and this fits that genre. Is it a book review or an interpolation of McGinnes’ video oeuvre? It’s not like he’s Joe Rogan pulling in more views than network TV. But within this genre of journ-O-lism is the strongest current, the one paranoid theme Millennial “reporters” can’t quit: the rising threat of right wing fascism. Like the audacious racist acts DNC-Media love to report the supply of conservative fascists is dwarfed by demand for content, which is why most “white supremacists” are entirely FBI productions. I’ve never met a white supremacist or conservative street gang. But I’ve seen a lot of criminal gangs (hard not to while teaching in South Fontana) and destructive left wing violence. We all saw what BLM and Antifa did coast to coast in 2020 — yet no public condemnation or FBI investigation or attorney general warning us about the $6B in property damage and thousands killed and injured by Democrat crony rioters.

This all out hatred that our DNC-Media keeps feeding, this otherization of anyone not aligned with newly progressive Biden is a dangerous strain of partisanship. That the Times also is enthusiastically promoting the fascist persecution of Trump and Trump voters while “warning” us the “real threat” is on the right is a continuation of the same BS they have been selling since Wilson was resegregating the armed forces and showing Birth of a Nation in the White House. Now like then progressives are always doing the very thing that they accuse their enemies of doing. Always.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

So that’s why Al Goldstein founded Screw magazine!

Wince said...

"Put all hope out of your mind. And masturbate as little as possible, it drains the strength."

Bob Boyd said...

@ Tom T.

Yeah. There was a similar ginned up hysteria back in the 70's about outlaw motorcycle gangs. Supposedly true stories of biker gangs attacking vacationing families and other innocent motorists on lonely desert roads were popular for a while.

This kind of thing is its own form of fodder for masturbators.

anonprof said...

Mike - If you read the context of the story of Onan, it wasn't masturbation that was the problem:

"But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also."

That sounds like the pull out method to me...

james said...

"Written hastily" Was it written accurately?

I've noticed that even science reporting is rarely accurate--sometimes the headlines claim the opposite of what the actual research said.

Mike Sylwester said...

Before World War Two, prostitution in Europe was controlled disproportionately by Jews.

Now in the USA, there is a stereotype that pimps are Blacks. In the early 1900s in Europe, the stereotype was that pimps were Jews. Both stereotypes were based on common observation.

The movie Cabaret depicts a somewhat pornographic spectacle that apparently is organized and manned by Jews in Berlin.

That is the context of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion claiming that Jews were exploiting sex in order to undermine European society.

ronetc said...

The Onan narrative is not about masturbation. He practiced coitus interruptus because he did not want to fulfill his duty to G-d to have a child with his dead brother's wife. This is known as Levirate marriage, so that the dead man's line would not cease with his death. Onan did not want any of his inheritable property to go to a son who was not counted as his own but his brother's. But he did not mind the idea of sex wit his sister-in-law . . . but withdrew before ejaculation.

anonprof said...

"men better fighters for the beleaguered white race."
Is that really what is driving the Proud Boys - fighting for the *white* race? I wonder what the leader of the Proud Boys thinks of that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Tarrio#/media/File:Enrique_Tarrio_-_International_Chairman_Proud_Boys_(retouched).jpg

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Ron Winkleheimer said...

I haven't read the book, or the NYT review, but what you quoted sounds like bullshit to me. Sounds like the sort of things you heard back during the Satanic Abuse panic in the 80s. Do the Proud Boys have a secret underground lair? Please tell me that they at least of sharks with frickin lasers on their heads.

chuck said...

Onan ... spilled his semen on the ground ... What he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord, and he put him to death also.

I used to think that was against masturbation, but there was an article that explained that Onan's sin was failing to fulfill his duty to impregnate his dead brother's widow. IIRC, he didn't do that because if she bore a son, that son would have precedence over the children of his wife. Or something like that, I'm too lazy to search for the reference.

Quaestor said...

Pornography, it's so wholesome, especially for chidren. You'd have to be some kind of Nazi to believe it to be degrading and socially corrosive. That's why the late Rush Limbaugh labeled some prominent women feminazis, because they objected to pornography, when in reality they were simply jealous of more attractive women who can become porn stars.

Quaestor said...

There's this book about a shadowy group that everyone has heard about but no one can identify and their conspiracy that was written to defend the existing regime against people who fear and despise its assaults on basic freedoms, its lunatic mismanagement of the national economy, and its secret police.

No, we are not referring to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

rcocean said...

THe proud boys didn't "Turn berekely into a warzone". The left and antifa did. they attacked the proud boys. All these protests in 205-2017, went the same way. The right would protest, the left, including antifa would attack them, and then the MSM would write that "violence broke out" and "THere is no antifa, its just an idea".

What percisely is wrong with the "Proud boys" and what is their platform is rarely stated. i follow the news and couldn't tell you. they're just another bogeyman that the liberal/left can use as an excuse to crackdown on civil liberties.

Lurker21 said...

Hochschild is half-Jewish and from a wealthy mining family that had been active on several continents. Not sure how that matters much. He's been part of the left scene for 60 years, mostly in the San Francisco area.

The Proud Boys are something of a joke, founded by a Canadian comedian. Even his supposed arrest was apparently a joke. The Proud Boys had to be built up into threat when Antifa/BLM riots were burning up cities.

wendybar said...

Rusty said...
Now do Antifa.

9/21/22, 7:42 AM

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Christopher B said...

Sexual activity, not limited to masturbation, taking the edge off a man's performance is a well-known trope. While it appears you can make a six degrees to Kevin Bacon connection back to the Protocols, the inspiration could just as well run the other way.

Joe Smith said...

Berkeley? I know Berkeley. The reason Berkeley is so fucked up is because of the ultra leftwing government.

They had to clear-cut an entire old-growth forest just to print all of the 'This household believes...' signs for the virtue-signaling denizens of the town.

Too bad, as Berkeley has some of the best weather in the Bay Area and the world...

typingtalker said...

"This comes from McInnes’s belief that pornography-induced masturbation drains away the testosterone that would otherwise make men better fighters for the beleaguered white race...."

Women sense my power. And they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake, but I ... I do deny them my essence.

Dr. Strangelove

Enigma said...

And here the humor dimension zooms over many heads. McInnis was mixing seriousness with satire all along, but some followers didn't get the humorous parts (akin to some extreme Rush Limbaugh reactions).

McInnis dressed as Michael Douglas in *Falling Down*. See the movie to understand.

https://www.reddit.com/r/beholdthemasterrace/comments/90uw88/sometimes_i_like_the_think_about_how_proud_boys/

Sarcasm is at the root of both enlightenment and pointless wars.

Balfegor said...

Re: anonprof:

Yes, Tarrio is one of those datapoints that suggests the Proud Boys don't quite fit into the shape commentators want it to. Paul Tanaka being the only famous member of an allegedly "White supremacist" gang, the Lynwood Vikings, is a similar datapoint. Some people really want to believe their opponents are White supremacists and are happy to disregard anything they have to in order to maintain that fiction.

Tom T. said...

The 1920s writer, Dorothy Parker, supposedly named her parakeet Onan, because he constantly spilled his seed upon the ground.

Earnest Prole said...

Old-time Althouse readers know you have a Thing (if not a tag) for Precious Bodily Fluids.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

What's the best estimate for the total number of Proud Boys members, today?

The whole "fourth degree membership" stuff sounds pretty silly; certainly a nice mirror image of QAnon-style beliefs on the other side.

Earnest Prole said...

Now do Antifa.

Antifa = Dopey LARPy revolutionary cosplay.

Proud Boys = Dopey LARPy counterrevolutionary cosplay.

Michael K said...

That book, and the book review are Inga-level stupid. "New Yorker" magazine. I might have known.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

So is the Latino guy the leader of the Proud Boys or is the comedian their leader?

TreeJoe said...

Two things:

First, the story of Onan has to do with Onan not doing his duty and mis-representing himself. It wasn't "God was ok with Onan lying and mis-repersenting himself but he was upset his seed was spilled." - If you want further evidence, look at Leviticus 18 greatly details out the explicit acts of sexual immorality. It's not exactly light on detail. Anything not on that list, but claimed by interpreters to be prohibited, is just that - an interpretation. I find old testament/biblical interpretations to be really interesting in that in places like Leviticus great care is taken to explicitly spell out what is prohibited. And then folks will come along afterwards and say "well actually it meant all these other things too." Says alot about the interpreter.

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Second, the Proud Boys are/were led for years by a black man who identifies himself as Afro-Cuban. At what point does the "white supremacist" trope immediately de-legitimize the author?

M said...

Huh. You know what other ideology prohibits masturbation? Judaism. Is the author some kind of anti semite? Because he really is caught up on what most psychiatrists of just a decade ago would tell you. Chronic porn watching is bad for you. Chronic masturbation is bad for you. People knew this 4,000 years ago but the people of today are too “hip and free” for any of that age old wisdom to apply to them.

Why the Left is so devoted to the idea that the Proud Boys are a white supremacist group, when they have a lot of Hispanic, some black and even some Far East Asian members is strange. In fact the Democrats are working to put a black Cuban PB in prison right now.

Mike said...

Berkeley a war zone/ Give me a flipping break. I went to law school in Berkeley where there was still a law school named Boalt Hall. I walked through picket lines to get to law school. I was there between the Free and Filthy Speech movements--and left town before the People's Park Riots. (The University wasn't supposed to build needed new dormitories on the "park').

My brother went to UC Berkeley and upon graduation he and his wife bought a home in the Berkeley Hills and lived out their lives together there. I visited the two of them frequently over the years.

Berkeley is tired, the streets are shabby, but it is not a War Zone. The progressives have made it a nuclear free zone. But the only conflict there is if you choose to deviate from the "one way of Berkeley thought". And as a practical matter if there are 6 guys who choose to deviate from that--the remaining 99.9% of the residents will crush them for wrong think.

The author of this load of codswallop lives a rich fantasy life.


Jupiter said...

I'm guessing Andy Campbell did a lot of research from his mother's basement.

Tina Trent said...

McInnis used to work for a very creepy leftist pornographer, so I bow to his hands-on exploration of the topic, but in fairness, Philip Roth did far more to bring unfortunate stereotypes about masturbation and Judaism into the post-WWII era with his priapic novella Goodbye Columbus.

The New Right had its clown kings for five minutes, among them McInnis and Milo Yiannopoulos and, well, nobody else. They weren't even political conservatives but the weird mashup leftitarian types Matt Taibbi describes. They were never taken seriously by the sober so-con anti-GOP-establishment movements that actually represent a coherent policy bloc, though the resentments of young white men who are continually demonized are heard by our side, as well as the resentments of military and veterans whom we sent to fight the latest rounds of war.

In contrast, on the Left, there are countless academic departments across every university crawling with tenured fascists actually braying for real civil war and bloodshed in the streets. They really are promoting murder and assaults on police and anyone who disagrees with them. They really are advocating destruction of property and speech rights. They are throwing open prison doors and our borders to flood the streets with violent criminals and anarchy. From the Seventies terroristas to the Comp Lit Ramparts of Adbusters, to Code Pink, Occupy, Antifa, and BLM, their leaders are white women and sexual and racial minorities, but also plenty of leftist, heterosexual white men far more misogynistic than anyone I have ever met on the Right. A thousand Gavins and Milos would be a drop in the bucket in comparison.

Want to talk about real public demonstrations of toxic masculinity and anti-semitism? Ever get stuck in a crowd of young male Farrakhan enforcers? Mainstream Democrats happily kissed their asses since the Clinton presidency, and some still do.

That article itself was a weird mental crack-up: the author seemed briefly to want to tell the truth and resist the growing drumbeat to institutionalize or purge people based on sheer identity politics, but then he persisted.

iowan2 said...

The masturbation theme, runs parallel to the, no sex the night before the game/match/bout. But some old wag, (Yogi Berra?) said its not sex before the game that's the problem, its spending a good portion of the night looking for it.

PM said...

In the East Bay, the brothers have got all that siege-ing locked up.

Narr said...

For a long time it was true--use your non-dominant hand and it feels like somebody else.

So if I masturbate (or I get someone else to masturbate me) but NOT to pornography it's OK. right? Also, someone mentioned 'chronic' masturbation. What's the threshold?

Asking for a friend.

(I've always believed that a man's physical and emotional health are served and preserved by frequent clearings of the channel, by whatever means are at hand.)

rcocean said...

Some guy was murdered in Bereley just a few months ago. Murdered at random. IRC, he was UC Berkeley student. The college adminstration wrote some tone deaf note about the murder. something like "in other news, so-and-so died. Too bad."

He was a white male. So, no one cared.

The Vault Dweller said...

McInnes used to be on what was at the time Levin TV and is now I think Blaze TV. It is the digital network that also has Mark Levin and Steven Crowder and some others. I watched several of the episodes of his show "Get Off My Lawn", while it was still on there. McInnes described himself as a "Western Chauvinist". He believed that broadly speaking Western Civilization was better than any of the other world civilizations. He also described himself as a Civic Nationalist, as opposed to an ethnic nationalist.

I'm somewhat off put that the author of this piece tries to link opposition to pornography with anti-semitism.

SteveWe said...

Temujin 8:21

Very funny. Thankyou.

JaimeRoberto said...

"the Proud Boys turned Berkeley, Calif., 'into an almost perpetual war zone'"

If I recall there were a couple of clashes between the Proud Boys and Antifa. Not perpetual, and it takes two to tango. Antifa was looking for a fight too.

"and altogether have organized 'some of the most gruesome acts of political violence in modern American history.'..."

What did they burn down? What bombs did they set off? Whom did they kill?

"masturbation drains away the testosterone that would otherwise make men better fighters for the beleaguered white race."

Hard to reconcile that statement with the color of the Proud Boys' leader. Maybe the reviewer provided some examples?

The Proud Boys seem like a bunch of weirdos, but hardly some kind of threat to get worried about.

The Vault Dweller said...

Also while I don't have any great or even moderate knowledge of the Proud Boys, to the extent they are a street gang it isn't Bloods and Crips and more like Jets and Sharks. They don't set out to control territory and sling drugs or run prostitution rings. Though I do suspect if Antifa is around they do go out looking for a fight. Maybe they don't start it, but they do seem to hope for it.

Joe Bar said...

I used to listen to Gavin McInnes when he was on compound Media daily. Sounds like this writer knows nothing about the Proud Boys. Also, he's got that no masturbation thing wrong. It's more complicated than that.

madAsHell said...

Hell's Angels get red wings.

Jon Burack said...

This Proud Boys are in general in my view a trivial matter. Compared to BLM, etc., as many here have pointed out, they are laughable. As to the anti-Semitic aspect of this, it is a diversion in the extreme from the real threat Jews face now in the Western world and increasingly in this country. Right-wing fanatics are an old story and as violent as they get, they do not threaten Jews as a group. We can handle them. Why? Because Jews have enjoyed the protection, until recently, of all the major institutions in America - political parties, media, academia, the arts, the law. The threat to all this today comes from erosions taking place in the very center of some of those major institutional past barriers to Jew hatred - academia in particular, the media, the arts, etc. No one paying attention to what NYU (once a bastion of advance for Jews in New York) is doing to its Jewish students AND faculty who dare to espouse Zionist sentiment could have any doubts about this. As for violence against Jews, that, too, is WAY up in New York -- and it is NOT as a result of the Proud Boys. Groups protected by virtue of their oppressed positioning on the insane Privilege Pyramids of DEI commissars are doing this violence which goes under-reported and under-policed. THAT'S what Jews need to worry about and confront.

Jason said...

Liberals are constantly projecting their own bigotry, prejudice, ignorance, and predilection for political violence on normal people.

Mikey NTH said...

Yellow Journalism seems quaint compared to this.

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Saint Croix said...

They must swear not to masturbate more than once a month. This comes from McInnes’s belief that pornography-induced masturbation drains away the testosterone that would otherwise make men better fighters

I saw Rocky too!

Women. Weaken. Legs.

Saint Croix said...

I believe the reason religious people warn against masturbation is that it gives young people the illusion that he (or she) is fine in a state of loneliness.

You are alone, and you are self-sufficient.

When you achieve intimacy with God, or Woman, or Man, you heart becomes open to a higher passion.

And the orgasms are through the roof.

Masturbation is fine, it's just a nothing-burger. You're missing out.

Christopher B said...

This also seems to be the usual game of placing two facially true but disconnected facts next to each other in hopes the reader will assume a deeper but unspoken connection between the two.

Do you think that Campbell would have ignored McInnis actually connecting his views on masturbation with the belief that Jews purposefully disseminate pornography?