February 16, 2022

"In 1997, the alt-rock band Harvey Danger had a minor hit with the song 'Flagpole Sitta.' One of the lines from the song was, 'And I don’t even own a TV'..."

"... which was a phrase a certain kind of person used to say a lot during this era. It was a sign of pretension, but also code for brainpower and maturity—a person without a television was not a slave to passivity, since passivity was the only possible outcome from interacting with a medium whose job was to fill time. Though accepted as true by virtually every knee-jerk intellectual of the time, it’s increasingly difficult to understand why TV was considered so inferior to not just film, but to almost every other variety of entertainment from this era. The prevalence of that dismissive view clearly had no relationship to its popularity—statistically speaking, television was more popular than everything. But here again: In the nineties, that was its own kind of problem. If everyone enjoyed something, how good could it possibly be?"

From Chuck Klosterman's "The Nineties" (pp. 232-233)(noting that critics considered "Frasier" brilliant television because it had characters who were the kind of people who would never watch television).

30 comments:

Jupiter said...

"it’s increasingly difficult to understand why TV was considered so inferior to not just film, but to almost every other variety of entertainment from this era."

TV and film are both inferior to reading. Reading enables you to pause, consider what you have read, and if necessary, reread it. Reading is therefore conducive to thought. As is writing. Further, the emotional impact of TV and film is higher because they are visual experiences. This makes it more difficult to think about what is being depicted. They are propaganda media.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I think the only show that showed people watching TV was All In The Family, at least in the 70s.

rehajm said...

It was a sign of pretension, but also code for brainpower and maturity...

I recall most of the members of Congressional committee responsible for regulating television repeatedly boasted they never watched television.

Ann Althouse said...

"TV and film are both inferior to reading. Reading enables you to pause, consider what you have read, and if necessary, reread it. Reading is therefore conducive to thought."

I've been pausing my TV since the 90s. When are you living?

EH said...

"I've been pausing my TV since the 90s. When are you living?"

Curious what that product that was? TiVo was introduced in 1999. Were you an early adopter?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

I remember reading Peta Gia Wilson, (had to look up her name) best known as Nikita in the television series La Femme Nikita (huge hit) saying in an interview that she didn’t have a tv, like it was a badge of honor.

Svoboda said...

I recognize that song as the theme to the British series Peep Show, which is notable for only showing the POV of its characters, but also for its uncomfortable, hard to watch at times, cringe comedy. Highly recommended if that’s your cup of tea.

gspencer said...

I prefer the flagpole sitters of old,

https://www.google.com/search?q=flagpole+sitting&client=firefox-b-1-d&sxsrf=APq-WBvOpIO40uLqaI-AfSbhKRB9KHgw9Q:1645034055645&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjh_5205YT2AhXUkokEHffTADQQ_AUoAXoECAgQAw&biw=1426&bih=1151&dpr=0.8

ganderson said...

It was a sign of pretension, but also code for brainpower and maturity...

It was also a sign that the speaker was lying.

Mr Wibble said...

The main difference between TV and film/books/other forms of entertainment is the sheer amount of TV available (I'm including Netflix/Prime/Hulu in "TV") which means it's easy to become a mindless consumer of it. You're not watching a show because you enjoy the show, but because it's some sort of distraction from the rest of your life. "Always has his nose in a book" carries a similar negative connotation, if not for stupidity then for being oblivious to the world around you.

Gulistan said...

Samuel Jackson's response to Travolta in Pulp Fiction when Travolta says he doesn't watch TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEnpT8UiV_w

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

EH said...

Curious what that product that was? TiVo was introduced in 1999. Were you an early adopter?

You never heard of VHS?

tim maguire said...

Even people who loved TV used to call it The Boob Tube. People who hated TV but had one and so weren't entitled to tell everyone they didn't called it The Idiot Box.

JPS said...

Put me in the hospital for nerves and then they had to commit me
You told them all I was crazy
They cut off my legs, now I'm an amputee God damn you

- which I once read is an obscure reference to Ronald Reagan's anguished "Where's the rest of me?!" in King's Row, but I'm not finding that now.

Saint Croix said...

That's a good song. Kind of blows my mind that it's 25 years old. Holy shit!

Saint Croix said...

The line I remember is "only stupid people are breeding."

Howard said...

Just added this song to my playlist a couple weeks ago.

Wince said...

That source article is way off.

The lyric in context is...

Been around the world and found
That only stupid people are breeding
The cretins cloning and feeding
And I don't even own a TV


The song is about anxiety and frustration with his place in the world.

More likely the singer is saying he can't afford to buy a TV when, by comparison, all these "stupid people" all over the world are "breeding... cretins cloning and feeding."

Saint Croix said...

Not to be confused with Carlos Danger, of course!

There's a funny twitter thread about this.

LA Times Journalist:

I have long had a habit of code naming sources in phones/note files etc., but that can backfire when you look at something from an old story and have to really struggle to remember who the hell "Flagpole Sitta" was supposed to be...

Smart ass:

Harvey Danger really meant Carlos Danger who is really is Anthony Weiner, so obviously your source is the guy who runs the hot dog stand outside the courthouse.

farmgirl said...

My family watched The Waltons together. Kojak, Baretta- Bonanza!!! My little brother and I used to wake up early on Saturday mornings to watch Gentle Ben and My Friend Flicka…

Plus the soaps. Not often, but my Mom used to iron and fold clothes watching As the World Turns. When Rh says “soap opera ladies” he’s snarking- I’m reminiscing lol. My Mom is the smartest woman I know. Not a small pond proclamation, either. She’s sharp.

Anyway, I vaguely remember this song- and so many implanted hippies raised their kids w/no tv, which is cool. I k ow I enjoyed tv when I was younger- all those cool evening “movies” made for tv. It was cleaner, back then, too.

Anthony said...

Ha. I love that song and never even knew what the name of it was. Love most of the lyrics, although don't particularly care about the TV one.

Hear the voices in my head
I swear to God it sounds like they're snoring;
But if you're bored, then you're boring.
The agony and the irony: they're killing me

Ann Althouse said...

"I think the only show that showed people watching TV was All In The Family, at least in the 70s."

They watched TV on "Friends."

And of course, George Burns watched his own show on his show.

Ann Althouse said...

"My family watched The Waltons together. Kojak, Baretta- Bonanza!!! My little brother and I used to wake up early on Saturday mornings to watch Gentle Ben and My Friend Flicka…"

I remember when "Wagon Train" was considered the classiest show on TV.

tommyesq said...

That lyric is a rip off of the oh so smart commentariat of one of Althouse's "Friends" posts..

whiskey said...

I think Neil Postman is right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

Josephbleau said...

There was much great tv. The GE theater, victory at sea, the Fugitive, mission impossible, the Avengers, Perry Mason, the prisoner, there was a lot of quality. And the Flintstones watched tv, a bird read the news.

Paddy O said...

My 9 year old watches Little House in the Prairie, currently about to finish her 4th time watching through the whole series, and when she finishes the last few episodes she plans to start watching from season 1 again.

There's a lot to not like about tv, but I honestly can't think of anything, book or show or movie, that might be better for a 9 year old girl to binge. She's a great reader too, and very much into history, both of which LHP reinforces.

Rollo said...

Reading does have advantages that viewing doesn't provide. It can represent the consciousness of characters in a way that video can't. But when so many sources of information and entertainment are available, people get impatient with print and want the immediacy of video. Educated people don't like to admit it, but TV is more a part of their lives than reading novels.

We can say now that television, film, and radio are more effective for propaganda than reading, which makes us skeptical, reflective and thoughtful, but when print was the master of all media it did serve as a superior delivery system for agitation and propaganda.

Iman said...

Good memories, farmgirl! We’d watch Sea Hunt, Sky King and on Saturday mornings they’d run Laurel and Hardy and the Three Stooges.

I remember coming home from school in the mid-60s and watching Thunderbirds (the G-rated inspiration for “Team America: World Police”).

And I remember being scared shitless watching the Outer Limits “Planet Zanti” with those foot long, poisonous space alien ants that had faces that looked like satanic Mitch Millers.

Iman said...

And I remember that Harvey Danger song from the movie “Shallow Hal”. There was another exceptional song used in that movie: “Comfort Eagle” by Sacramento’s own Cake.