January 16, 2019

"Facebook's '10 Year Challenge' Is Just a Harmless Meme — Right?"

Writes Kate O'Neil in Wired.
Imagine that you wanted to train a facial recognition algorithm on age-related characteristics, and, more specifically, on age progression (e.g. how people are likely to look as they get older). Ideally, you'd want a broad and rigorous data set with lots of people's pictures. It would help if you knew they were taken a fixed number of years apart—say, 10 years.

Sure, you could mine Facebook for profile pictures and look at posting dates or EXIF data. But that whole set of profile pictures could end up generating a lot of useless noise. People don’t reliably upload pictures in chronological order, and it’s not uncommon for users to post pictures of something other than themselves as a profile picture.....

In other words, thanks to this meme, there’s now a very large data set of carefully curated photos of people from roughly 10 years ago and now....

28 comments:

Freeman Hunt said...

People don't reliably upload photos of themselves for Facebook challenges either. This dataset would be no better than a program that collects the current photo and the photo we see when we click left to instantly scroll back to the earliest profile photo.

MayBee said...

Maybe. But people are chasing their most flattering photos, so the machine is going to learn the wrong lesson.

However, people answer those stupid Buzzfeed quizzes all the time, and I do wonder what data Buzzfeed keeps on all of them. Or sells.

iowan2 said...

That is exactly what I thought when I heard it on the radio. Zuckerberg is going to have millions of photos to sell to someone that is writing predictive software on what a person looks like 10 years later. Across the entire age spectrum.

Lucid-Ideas said...

"How can you tell a Tech giant is lying?"

"He's memes moving."

Henry said...

My two most utilized profile photos are the dog at right and a photo of my feet in bowling shoes.

I should rejoin facebook and try those.

YoungHegelian said...

That's right, Zuke. Just when everyone's discussing just how creepy & invasive your cash-cow app is, come up with yet another creepy & invasive use of said app.

I've come up with two answers as to what's going on here:

1) FB's marketing department is filled with marketers every bit as aspy as its tech staff, & they really don't understand just how creepy they look.

or

2) Zuke & the rest of the board realize that FB's days as a cash cow are numbered, and they plan to milk it for all it's worth while they can, user experience be damned.

iowan2 said...

Big numbers are amazingly accurate
I just came from a meeting that has corn field imagery data from satellite. Taken every couple of weeks through the growing season. They now have accurate yield data for those images. After a few years, the satellite imagery is more accurate predicting yield than yield data history. Its all hidden in plain site by big numbers, and being able to compute them. The numbers are big enough, the outliers are smoothed almost to the point to being invisible.
Just a long explanation of what 10 million photo sets would be worth, to writing image software to age a single photo.

MadisonMan said...

I rarely use an image of me as my FB profile. My 1st FB profile was a cartoon that is a favorite. My second was a picture of me from 2nd grade. Currently it's a picture of a statue. My favorite is the Weeping Angel statue from Doctor Who. I should put that one back.

Fernandinande said...

My Fecebook picture is a box of Barf detergent.

Wince said...

Seems to me if they used run-of-the-mill Facebook selfies to extrapolate the future appearance of the human race, it would be evolving toward looking something like the duck-billed platypus.

gilbar said...

here's a question....Has the CIA secretly been funding Facebook?

Darrell said...

My avatar hasn't aged a day in the last ten years.

Mark said...

Overused words, even when used only once -- "Meme".

Fritz said...

I had the same thought.

madAsHell said...

I have an old friend that is not part of my facebook friends......I have his telephone number.

We traveled with our wives to Vancouver, and took a picture in front of the steam clock in Gastown. I posted the picture to Facebook. Three days later, Bob showed up as a suggested friend on Facebook.

Yes, Facebook is clearly using facial recognition.

Brian McKim and/or Traci Skene said...


From what I've read, facial recognition doesn't need a clear pic or a recent pic or a color pic. This sounds bogus.

PM said...

"...carefully curated photos of people."

Last Sunday's 60 Minutes interview with AI Jackass Kai-Fu Lee instructs us that facial recognition is the first order of business for Artificial Intelligence. Monetizing it, of course, is the second order. Ain't called FACEbook for nothing.

Jupiter said...

She's paranoid about the wrong things. Some grad students at Stanford developed a program to detect the fingerprints on the lens of the camera that took the photos you post on FB. This enables them to build a connection graph, showing who takes photos of whom. Or more precisely, who has ever held your DumbPhone. You have to be crazy to use FB. Or maybe you just have to believe that the people running Silicon Valley, and also the people running the American, Russian and Chinese intelligence services, have nothing but your best interests at heart. Naw, I'm gonna go with crazy.

John Scott said...

I graduated H.S. in 1975. A while ago I found some old pictures from my 10 year reunion. Everyone in the pictures are Facebook friends so I posted them. Facebook recognized about half of them. Facebook doesn't do well with baldness.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Ha. Just heard Mike Lindell (sp?) of Mypillow fame on Hannity. Turns out he was smoking crack and staying up for 14 days in a row for years and then, ten years ago today, his dealers said "hey cool it bro you gonna fuckin' die yo" and he quit drugs and started Mypillow, an idea he had had for quite some time.

Hired some of his former crackhead buddies to work for him once he made it big time.

And people worry about China!

Guildofcannonballs said...

(mental note)

(if planning on using an ! then time it, and if you don't plan it but you find yourself using an !, well then wait and/or time it so the time stamp ends i :11 no matter the hour.)

We shall be as godkings!*

**

*LOTR movie really outdid the book, the Great book by Tolkien, in a shallow modern sense perhaps but a magically beautiful Godly sense also too. But the movie was really, really great. Made me read the books and now digitally on my $29.99 Fire by AmAzon.

Sure is a difference. Be damned if I know what it is intended at this moment to be for me. So thankful God allows me all these opportunities.

**Frodo offering/asking/hoping She takes the damned Ring she knows so much about. And her refusal, even considering consideration potentially Divined.

It boils down, Irish-like cooking, to GOT, and I did buy the HBO for a month to stream the shit, and watch The Larry Sanders Show again.

that darn ol Judd sure was insensitive back then. why ain't they scrubbed The Larry Sanders Show yet? Too dumb? I wouldn't doubt that. But too evil? Maybe.

The running gag was Larry got sex through elaborite subbordinates making it happen.

With young starlets, desperate whores, decenct girls starstruck, and much more.

Real life I loved that hot blonde they fired after Larry quit fucking her, off set.

Really.

Off set.

Gary stopped and ended her run, a great run. After her, they had a lot more Janine Garafalo.

No joke, Judd knows, he knows ALL>


Okay I gotta Tort it now. Tort HBO. Tort Rip Torn. Tort Judd Apatow. Tort everyone but Hank aka Jeffrey Tambor, the greatest charactor in the hisTory of HBO/TV.

Guildofcannonballs said...

You put me in a room, okay, with just pictures, okay, no audio no video, just pics, and I could tort 1000 reasons HBO should be bankrupt by tomorrow morning.

HBO has hurt me, my family, this city, this county, this state, and This Country.

No More Appatows!

Guildofcannonballs said...

Fer fuck sake just Scott.

Only Scott Thompson is 1000+ torts.

Just one man: 1000+ torts.

They tormented him.

Guildofcannonballs said...

The black secretary: 2000+ torts ALONE.

A L O N E.

2000+ torts.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Jon Stewart was there when HBO facilitated tortable action against HBO.

He was there.

He knows.

TORT!

Wu Tang Clan really ain't some tin' to fuck with Jon!

Jon Stewart made his money on the back of the Wu Tang Clan and ought pay repercussions.

From when Jon was in The Larry Sanders Show until now about 49% of his gross revenue sounds fair.

OH WAIT!

Ha. I meant net income, not gross revenue. Sorry for the mistake Jon. Too late though, like with cold fusion.

Now that my ideas are out there, there ain't nothing that you can do.

Guildofcannonballs said...

through elaborite subbordinates

I understand, and I did when I wrote it, conventionally through subordinates committing elaborate acts blha yada blah yaad blah yada

But if you know personal is policy, no matter what is written and marketed nor why, unless you know that (personal is policy) you don't know shit.

Is there a private sector Peter (principle)?

Why the cunt not?

Underpaid women dominate tens of millions of men in America alone, so why haven't they made it all better? They are, in cases, keenly aware of their power.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Sure I said Tort Rip Torn, so what of it?

SweatBee said...

Remind me never to consult this person when I need a tech "expert."

Google pics takes your images and sorts them by people and does so incredibly accurately through hairstyle changes, facial hair changes, and the effects of aging. They already know how to do this. A silly meme isn't going to make them better at it.

The original challenge instructions say "first ever profile picture and current profile picture." Both of those things are already in order in your profile pics album, which is already a public album. Easy as pie to sort that out without the user re-uploading to one post that assigns the same date to both photos.