January 9, 2018

On the new "Roseanne," Roseanne and her husband Dan will be Trump supporters.

Roseanne Barr reveals. It's “a true reflection on the society we live in... half the people voted for Trump and half didn’t, so it’s just realistic.... I’ve always attempted to portray a realistic portrait of the American people and the working class people. And, in fact, it was working class people who elected Trump. So I felt like, yeah, that was very real, and something that needed to be discussed.”

What does Barr, the nonfictional character, think about Trump? He "says a lot of crazy shit." And: “I’m not a Trump apologist. There are a lot of things he’s said and done that I don’t agree with.” And: "It’s always a lesser of two evils," but she "could not vote for Hillary Clinton is because of Haiti."

I can't tell if that means Barr voted for Trump. And what did Hillary Clinton do to Haiti? I don't remember a Haiti issue in the campaign, but I see — from a BBC article from November 2, 2016, "US election 2016: What really happened with the Clintons in Haiti?" — that Donald Trump brought it up in the last debate:
"I was at a Little Haiti the other day in Florida. And I want to tell you, they hate the Clintons, because what's happened in Haiti with the Clinton Foundation is a disgrace."
From the BBC article:
A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing, but concluded the IHRC's decisions were "not necessarily aligned with Haitian priorities".... Jake Johnston, an analyst with the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a nonpartisan group that has studied the quake reconstruction, told the BBC "it's hard to say it's been anything other than a failure". But he believes the State Department and IHRC simply replicated the mistakes of the whole foreign aid industry by chasing short-term gains instead of building longer-term capacity on the ground. "They relied too much on outside actors," Mr Johnston says, "and supplanted the role of the Haitian government and domestic producers."...

62 comments:

CJinPA said...

The critics and the Beautiful People are going to rip the hell out of this show.

sparrow said...

There was a gold mine and special deal for Hillary's brother that was suspect. Given that Haiti is one of the poorest countries in the world stealing from them is especially repulsive.

FIDO said...

Well, if the STATE Department gave her a clean bill of health, what can POSSIBLY be said about Hillary's actions in Hati?

Sigh.

You think she didn't have the juice to put her meaty jaundiced thumb on the GAO scale? And like most Clinton enterprises 'no one will testify but we still have to say a few nasty things to maintain credibility'.

This is not the gold standard for candidates.

Mike said...

Hold the phone a second. They're bringing back the Roseanne show? .... why?

Vance said...

Hillary and Haiti is an especially gruesome example of fraud and graft and theft from the poorest people on the planet. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea will likely burn for that one alone. There is no better example of the phrase "Grinding the faces of the poor" than how the Clintons robbed Haiti.

--Vance

rehajm said...

In the old version didn't her husband Dan die?

FIDO said...

Ms. Althouse,

IIRC, the emails hacked revealed that Hillary frequently asked that her specific friends got the government contracts for American Haitian aid. And I doubt their pencils were particularly sharp when it came to delivery dates, cost overruns and quality of supplies.

Matthew Sablan said...

"A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing, but concluded the IHRC's decisions were "not necessarily aligned with Haitian priorities""

-- Crazy how Clinton always is juuuuuuuuuuuuust this side of not breaking the law.

campy said...

In the old version didn't her husband Dan die?

There are plenty of Dans in the sea.

Fernandistein said...

"could not vote for Hillary Clinton is because of Haiti."

Is that "praise through faint damnation"?

A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing

Bureaucrat talk for "We really didn't look."

mike in houston said...

Ann

Please read Chapter 10 of Peter Schweizer's "Clinton Cash" to see what happened

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, you were a professor; you should know how to do more than merely parrot what the GAO, a part of the Obama administration, had to say. If you’re going to rely on what the CEPR has to say, then who or what is the CEPR? And don’t stop at their press release, but dig a little.

You can also try to answer the following two-part question. How much money did the Clinton Foundation collect for Haitian relief, and how much did they actually spend in Haiti?

James K said...

the emails hacked revealed that Hillary frequently asked that her specific friends got the government contracts for American Haitian aid.

Pretty sure Hillary's brother Hugh got a nice piece of the action.

Robert said...

Roseanne was strongly pro-Trump on her Twitter, but she recently deleted her Twitter history to (I assume) prepare for promoting the TV show without as much controversy. SJW's were threatening to organize a boycott of the show because she was tweeting so much support for Trump.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Half the country will like the show because it is not blatantly anti-Trump, like too many shows are, and the other half of the country will at least think about watching the show so that they can complain about it around the raw water cooler at work the next day. COmbine that with Roseanne's undeniable talent, and that seems like a recipe for success.

EDH said...

Did the US Government Accountability Office actually look into the NGO machinations of the CGI?

The BubFather said...

Swiss guy hired Bill for a speech to the perfume industry to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lime oil is used in manufacture of perfumes....Clinton initiative grabs land in Haiti to grow Limes while the industry was plagued by a disease. Donation comes back to the foundation from the industry.....


"the Wall Street Journal recently highlighted yet another questionable pay-for-play allegation between Bill Clinton, the Clinton Foundation and a powerful European perfume industry trade group called the Fragrance Foundation. The alleged scandal begins with a $260,000 payment to Bill Clinton for a January 2014 speech to the Fragrance Foundation and ends with Firmenich International, one of the world’s largest fragrance and flavoring suppliers, getting access to an exclusive supply of limeoil from Haiti with a little help from their new friends at the Clinton Foundation...but only after another $200,000 of "donations" to a Clinton Foundation company, based in Haiti, called the Acceso Peanut Enterprise Corporation.

The problem for Firmenich began back in early 2014 when the "Citrus Greening Disease" began wiping out 1,000s of acres of citrus in North America driving the price of limeoil, a key perfume input, through the roof. Per the chart below, the price of limeoil hovered around $15,000 per metric ton for decades before surging to over $50,000 per metric ton in June 2014."

Google Clinton foundation, limes and perfume industry. It's out there on the interwebs all over the place.

Tim at large said...

Mistakes were made, but the 17 million dollars the foundation paid Bill for a part time job working for dear old Clinton U? Not illegal. I am sure Putin, one of the foundation's largest donors was fine with it.

MikeR said...

“a true reflection on the society we live in... half the people voted for Trump and half didn’t," No! Hillary won the popular vote, so it's less than half! Less! No one voted for Trump.
Certainly no one who makes TV shows. Should be interesting.

The BubFather said...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bill-clintons-speaking-fee-overlaps-with-foundation-business-1474408587

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-clinton-shenanigans-in-haiti-1474235175

Possible state department aid in assisting the foundation purchase the land to build the lime grove so Bill could collect a speech fee and the foundation gets a donation? Not a huge leap.

Char Char Binks said...

It seems like a bad idea. Trump is too polarizing, and Trump supporters can never be portrayed in the MSM as anything but racist. After all, if some alt-right group or Klan klavern supported Trump, that must mean all Trump supporters are racist, right? I know a Dem who actually thinks Hilary is attractive, does that mean all Dems are perverts?

Mark said...

Does Vegas run odds on how long this show will last?

Seems like they just need to plump up the kids Trust Fund, not that this is a great idra for a reboot.

Tim at large said...

At least they said "hint" instead of "smidgen."

Char Char Binks said...

I'll watch it if they bring back Clooney.

Ann Althouse said...

Sorry, it's not my job to figure out what happened in Haiti. I would have to put a lot of time into that project, and I have no relevant expertise, and the subject isn't one I would take on even if someone wanted to hire me and pay me a lot of money. I assume the whole Clinton Foundation operation is shockingly corrupt, but it's not where I am going to apply the skills I have. I'm particularly uninterested in finance. I only engage with it to the minimal extent I need to for my own personal affairs, which I keep as simple as possible. I like to have money, but I am almost insanely averse to the topic of money. Look at the 14-year history of this blog. When have I talked about finance?!

Ann Althouse said...

"Please read Chapter 10 of Peter Schweizer's "Clinton Cash" to see what happened"

No.

Tim at large said...

It's amazing how much evidence of wrongdoing can disappear when you delete 30k emails and burn records of meetings pertaining to your time as Secretary of State.

pacwest said...

"Crazy how Clinton always is juuuuuuuuuuuuust this side of not breaking the law."

It almost makes one wonder doesn't it?

Tim at large said...

Fits into the Uranium One pattern,but Pete Strzok gave her a clean bill of health on that one too, so circulez...

Thorley Winston said...

Hold the phone a second. They're bringing back the Roseanne show? .... why?

I think it may have something to do with the general decline in ratings of ABC’s other scripted programming. Roseanne was a very popular show during its time (consistently in the top 20 and number 1 for a while) so if you’re ABC and you’re bleeding ratings and the cast of a proven hit show is ready and willing to come back, why not role the dice and take a chance? If it fails after a season, you move on to something else. If it ends up being golden a second time around, even better.

Tim at large said...

Fires at Chapaqua and Trump Tower, will Bernie's dacha be next?

CWJ said...

"A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing, but concluded the IHRC's decisions were 'not necessarily aligned with Haitian priorities'..."

Between the overstated certainty of "no hint of wrongdoing" and the weasel wording of "not necessarily aligned," this statement is crafted to obscure the truth rather than reveal it. I know I shouldn't expect any better, but the dishonesty is just so obvious and tiresome.

sparrow said...

Haiti is just one of a long list of questionable deals linked to Hillary going back all the way to the 100K in cattle futures (I think that was roughly 1991-2). Nothing has ever been proven in court, but there's plenty to wonder about. I find the Uranium One deal to be the most worrisome.

Tim at large said...

Big Bang Theory is practically a Roseanne spin off. There is some juice a network exec can understand.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I assume the whole Clinton Foundation operation is shockingly corrupt

And the Clinton Foundation is involved in "disaster relieve" in Haiti, among other things. So its a pretty safe bet they are doing "shockingly corrupt" things in Haiti, and screwing over dirt poor Haitians who have to feed their kids dirt cookies.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080130-AP-haiti-eatin_2.html

On the plus side, Chelsea can't bring herself to care about money.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

I think the Clintons demonstrated that they were both corrupt and petty during the Travelgate affair. The scale has increased, but not the nature.

BDNYC said...

You didn’t know about the Clintons in Haiti? Lol seriously?

Tim at large said...

This is why Oprah's candidacy doesn't bother me, even if she wins. It is the corrupt to the core Clinton Machine that has to go. Oprah's not going to sell out America or Haiti or Libya for a few bucks. Terry McAuliffe is probably writing checks right now to try to destroy her.

Ignorance is Bliss said...

Matthew Sablan said...

-- Crazy how Clinton always is juuuuuuuuuuuuust this side of not breaking the law.

Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy

Tim at large said...

Maybe billionaire status should be required for a president, since law enforcement has proven so susceptible to corruption.

James K said...

Sorry, it's not my job to figure out what happened in Haiti. I would have to put a lot of time into that project, and I have no relevant expertise, and the subject isn't one I would take on even if someone wanted to hire me and pay me a lot of money.

It's not a question of doing your own investigation, just considering sources other than the notoriously left-leaning BBC. You devote half of the blog post to speculating about what the Clintons did in Haiti, cite a source that more or less exonerates them, and then when someone suggests a different source, you say "No." Strange.

Thorley Winston said...

Big Bang Theory is practically a Roseanne spin off. There is some juice a network exec can understand.

They do share some of the same creative people (Chuck Lorre who created The Big Bang Theory was also an executive producer on Roseanne) and cast (Johnny Galecki, Laurie Metcalf and Sara Gilbert) but despite seeming to be directed at different audiences, I know a lot of people who loved Roseanne when it was on (except for the last season) who are fans of The Big Bang Theory. There’s a lot of the same irreverent humor and flawed but likeable characters that people like. I would not be surprised if the two shows share a lot of the same audience when airing during the same season.




holdfast said...

I seem to recollect some underhanded dealings involving telecom contracts back in the 1990s too, in the days when the Clinton Admin effected a regime change, putting their man Jean-Bertrand Aristide into power.

Clinton Inc. has consider Haiti to be its personal playground for decades.

FIDO said...

From a show business standpoint, I think the worry about the Rosanne show (and what she is capitalizing on) is that there are a LOT OF VIEWERS who are Trump supporters and they won't watch TV much anymore.

Most of the media don't want that audience, going by their content. That a show might CATER to that demographic is troubling to the liberal elites.

I won't watch it because I didn't like Rosanne. I think it will be an uphill climb to get Trump supporters but I could be wrong.

Francisco D said...

One thing the Clinton Crime Family has going for it is that there have been so many financial scandals that most go down the memory hole. That is, if their allies in the MSM don't shove them down the memory hole.

n.n said...

Finally, a break in the monotony.

Nonapod said...

Interesting fact: Rosanne, like Sam Kinison, suffered a traumatic brain injury when she was young (she was hit by a car). And just like Sam Kinison, her personality changed dramatically; she became more impulsive and outspoken. It's interesting to think that her entire career in comedy is most likely do to that injury.

Inga said...

“Please read Chapter 10 of Peter Schweizer's "Clinton Cash" to see what happened"

“No.”

Chuckling.

bgates said...

Chuckling.

This has nothing to do with Chuck, and leave his kids out of it.

bgates said...

A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing

I believe the original GAO quote was "merely to include the word 'wrongdoing' in a report on the activities of the Clintons is an injustice", but they or the BBC toned it down to "discovered no hint" to reassure everyone that they're impartial.

William said...

Roseanne is very strange and erratic even by Hollywood standards. She's the kind of comic that CK would be afraid to masturbate in front of. Milo, Bannon, Moore, Roseanne--these are not the kind of people that Trump and his supporters should be embracing.

Gahrie said...

I'm particularly uninterested in finance. I only engage with it to the minimal extent I need to for my own personal affairs, which I keep as simple as possible. I like to have money, but I am almost insanely averse to the topic of money

Repeal the 19th Amendment.

Bay Area Guy said...

I didn't watch the "Roseanne" show, when it made her a star.

I did watch "Family Ties" where young Michael J. Fox, played a right-wing teenager, living with his ex-hippie parents. That was a pretty good show.

Hollywood is stuck. We live in a country with 2 major parties, almost evenly divided, but they have difficulty imagining that there are "normal" right-wing kids & families, who aren't sheet-wearing, KKK, ex-Nazis, lurking in the shadows.

Oh well.

paminwi said...

Roseanne on Twitter was especially supportive of the Jewish population both in the US and internationally. So in addition to her support of Trump and Jews she knew she needed to be off of Twitter and delete whatever she could. The liberals will still go crazy and call for boycotts of the sponsors of her show.
Tim Allen's show,which had some conservative leanings, was cancelled even though it was very highly rated.
Conservatives never have a long life on TV. If it's not crazies threatening boycotts it's the staff behind the scenes that can bring down a show. Imagibe the writers being told they have to write a show with conservative leanings week after week? Roseanne made a deal that she has final control over much of the show. She obviously had the clout to make those demands!

Tim at large said...

The funny thing about Family Ties is that they thought that they were making Alex unlikeable. The writers made him apologize all the time. It only made him look like the only sane one trying to get along in his nuthouse full of people he loved. They learned their lesson in the reboot “Modern Family Ties” I call it, when they made the “Alex” character kind of chubby and not good looking.

Roughcoat said...

I am almost insanely averse to the topic of money.

In the Midwest we call that good manners. My Midwestern Irish-German yeoman upbringing inculcated, firmly and ineradicably, certain values in this regard, namely: it's rude to talk about money, rude to ask how much something cost, rude to tell anyone how much you paid for something, rude to tell anyone how much money you have or how much you're worth.

Bob Loblaw said...

A US Government Accountability Office report discovered no hint of wrongdoing, but concluded the IHRC's decisions were "not necessarily aligned with Haitian priorities"

Eh... isn't that lawyerspeak for "Sure, it was a scam, but they adhered to the letter of the law"?

Jim at said...

Any chance she'll dress up as Hitler and throw Jew gingerbread men into the oven again?

Big Mike said...

I assume the whole Clinton Foundation operation is shockingly corrupt, but it's not where I am going to apply the skills I have. I'm particularly uninterested in finance.

With all due respect, Professor, I doubt you have the imagination to comprehend the level of corruption. Knowing that Hillary Clinton practically defined the phrase “vindictive bitch” and was widely expected to win the presidency, can you imagine why people might try to spin the story of Haitian relief to give her a pass?

I have a lot of empathy for people who find themselves struggling due to circumstances beyond their control. Haitians. People whose homes burned to the foundation in California, or were washed away by Harvey, Irma, Marie, or some other hurricane. I have no sympathy for people who prey on folks like that.

David McMillan said...

I heard some official from Haiti on talk radio a while back raising hell about the relief efforts. His hatred ran white hot for the Clintons. He accused the Clintons of using pay for play with the contracts to rebuild things in Haiti. If you wanted a contract, you had to donate to the Clinton foundation. The highest "bidder" got the contract. The people getting the contracts, didn't really care what they were doing and made a gigantic mess of things.

tim maguire said...

The original Rosanne was a great show. It was realistic in it's portrayal of a working class family, tackling real day to day issues, while also being entertaining. This excerpt makes me hopeful the reboot will be worth watching as well.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Roughcoat said...
I am almost insanely averse to the topic of money.

In the Midwest we call that good manners. My Midwestern Irish-German yeoman upbringing inculcated, firmly and ineradicably, certain values in this regard, namely: it's rude to talk about money, rude to ask how much something cost, rude to tell anyone how much you paid for something, rude to tell anyone how much money you have or how much you're worth.

1/9/18, 1:44 PM


Yes, but on the other hand, perhaps this is why you pay retail, and make lower salaries, because you lack information.