July 7, 2017

#CNNBlackmail — "This memes WAR!"



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Good thing you already know who I am, because otherwise, maybe someone who worked on something in those videos might have said something racist/homophobic/xenophobic/sexist one time and CNN might try to cow me into submission by threatening to tell you who I am.

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Earnest Prole said...

Don't start fights you have no chance of finishing.

Scott M said...

...or winning.

mockturtle said...

I like it.

Matthew Sablan said...

Never pick a fight with enemies who buy memes by the barrel.

Ann Althouse said...

There's that old aphorism "Never pick a fight with a man who buys ink by the barrel and paper by the ton."

That needs a revision in the age of Twitter memes.

(Written before reading Matthew Sablan.)

Ann Althouse said...

Interesting to see the clip with Lindsay Lohan (at her best). She just tweeted in support of Trump (stop "bullying" him).

David Begley said...

The Ancien Régime is over. CNN is the King of France and they don't know the old order is finished.

Rachel Madow starring as Marie Antoinette.

eric said...

I don't think the media realizes yet the trouble they are in. They think life goes on like normal. That it's just a small segment of society that doesn't trust them but everyone else still loves them.

They should be the ones most in tune with society and they seem to be the ones least in tune. In a bubble of their own making. They don't see the train coming.

To put it another way. My parents generation still watches and has a fondness for media.

My generation distrusts media.

My kids generation has no need for these Yahoo's.

Qwinn said...

The best one I've seen so far, hands down, is the Matrix fight between Kenau Reeves and Smith turned into Trump vs CNN. The faces they picked for Trump in that were priceless. Second best was Hulk vs Loki.

EDH said...

I still like the idea of the CNN logo over the face of Mayor Carmine DePasto.

David Begley said...

Lindsay Lohan In "The Parent Trap" was one of the greatest movie performances of all time. I'm not joking.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

My kids generation has no need for these Yahoo's.

Anyone watching cable and network news can see the audience is all old people. The ads are all for depends and viagra, and life insurance to cover funeral expenses. Oh, and GOLD! So you won't lose your retirement nest egg.

MaxedOutMama said...

That was inevitable and well-deserved. Posing as the internet's Mother Grundy in this day and age is an act of insanity.

CStanley said...

Lindsay Lohan In "The Parent Trap" was one of the greatest movie performances of all time. I'm not joking.

That's one of the favorite kid movies at our house. I agree Lohan was great (especially at a young age) and love the movie despite its absurd plot...but it also makes me sad now thinking of Logan's wasted talent as well as the untimely death of Natasha Richardson.

Todd said...

This is CNN!

Hari said...

Trump 'accidentally' lucks out again.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Henry said...

This is as I predicted.

David Begley said...

And how great was Natasha Richardson? She hit her head at a Canadian ski resort and died. I think a transfer to a US hospital. In my own mind I think her husband (Liam Neeson) took his rage out over her death in the "Taken" movies. My fantasy but I want to believe it.

Achilles said...

This is going better than I thought. The self appointed mandarins might become so humiliated and despairing we won't have to wipe them out.

MaxedOutMama said...

Eric @ 11:19 - Well, they created that situation themselves. If there still were a tradition of hard news reporting with the opinion stuff being relegated/segregated to editorials, this disrespect would not have arisen. When I was a kid Pravda was a big joke. Somehow, sometime, the average editorial board adopted Pravda's mission statement. They really do believe (and their reporters know) that their mission should be to tell readers what to think instead of report on what's happening.

I now read even science and medicine "articles" that are 7/10ths propaganda. As for the regular news outlets, I mostly just quit. It's not worth my time. I won't pay for any of this stuff, either. I would pay for news.

roesch/voltaire said...

CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. I think I fear the death threats more then CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush.

Static Ping said...

I am waiting for someone on CNN to have a mental breakdown on air screaming about all the incitement to violence, followed shortly thereafter by delivery of the pink slip and then a complete meltdown, followed shortly thereafter with CNN going bankrupt and being replaced by a channel that sells women's shoes. If CNN is going to be a laughingstock they might as well go full farce before they go away.

Laslo Spatula said...

"...because otherwise, maybe someone who worked on something in those videos might have said something racist/homophobic/xenophobic/sexist one time and CNN might try to cow me into submission by threatening to tell you who I am."

That is why I am careful not to ever write something on the Internet that can be construed as racist/homophobic/xenophobic/sexist.

It is harder than it looks.

I am Laslo.

exiledonmainstreet said...

eric said...
I don't think the media realizes yet the trouble they are in."

The alarms should have started going off for them around the time Dan Rather and NBC were busted by a group of bloggers in 2004 for relying on unauthenticated documents regarding Bush's service in the National Air Guard. Memogate happened in 2004, 13 years ago. Rather than learn a lesson from it, the Old Guard media sneered about bloggers in the pajamas (hence the name of PJ Media), who didn't have their "layers and layers" of fact checkers.

Everyone saw this coming - except for the media idiots. Amazing how reactionary "progressives" can be.

steve uhr said...

I have spent time watching Fox News in recent days. They don't hide their bias. CNN may hide their bias but regardless they are more objective than Fox.

Bay Area Guy said...

@exile,

People forget how close the 2004 election was. Bush only beat Kerry 51-48 in pop vote, and only 286-251 in EV vote.

If Kerry flipped Ohio (which was close), he wins.

That Dan Rather ploy -- using a fake, unauthenticated memo -- to smear Bush as a draft-dodging National Guard slacker was rough stuff. If unaddressed, it could have tipped the scales of a close election. In 2000, a last minute disclosure of a Bush drunk driving citation probably cost him the popular vote.

Thank God for the internet!

Drago said...

eric: "I don't think the media realizes yet the trouble they are in. They think life goes on like normal. That it's just a small segment of society that doesn't trust them but everyone else still loves them."

CNN, like all insitutions and organization's, is really just a bunch of people. Sorry Citizens United ruling haters.

And where do these CNN people come from? They are the products of a very defined, mature pipeline which has created a homogeneous viewpoint group which completely lacks any diversity of opinion or externally driven adaptive capabilities.

This sclerotic pipeline which gives us the blitzers, the Stelters, all the other pajama boy lefties is so rigid that the people emerging from it can only double and triple down on what little they already know.

These people will not adapt because they cannot adapt. They are automatons.

So, massive organization's with feet of clay where the "elites" and decision makers have been generally exposed as incompetent. Worse, these media Orgs are in service to supposed govt elites that have also been exposed.

Thats how you got Trump and would have gotten Bernie (for better or worse) had the Dems not hacked their own primary to nominate the biggest establishment figure of all, Hillary.

CNN has already lost the fight on several fronts and they won't recover. Their prestige is gone. The incompetence of their "journalists" is widely perceived. Their bias towards in side is undeniable and generally accepted.

Ask yourself this: what would "recovery" for CNN look like and how would you get from here to there? (The actual steps and desired outcomes)

Ken B said...

CNN continues to fake stuff. http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/07/06/scorecard-so-far-today-jim-acosta-wrong-katy-tur-wrong-sara-murray-wrong-but-she-corrected-herself/ This is fake because when Trump said something they didn't even bother to check before going on the attack. It's not the error, it's the refusal to check that makes them untrustworthy.

Drago said...

Laslo: "That is why I am careful not to ever write something on the Internet that can be construed as racist/homophobic/xenophobic/sexist.
It is harder than it looks.

I am Laslo."

WE ARE LASLO! WE ARE LASLO!

Ken B said...

MaxedOutMama:
"hey really do believe ... that their mission should be to tell readers what to think"

Exactly. That is what I hate so much. I especially hate it when a know-nothing who only went to J school does it.

FullMoon said...

roesch/voltaire said... [hush]​[hide comment]

CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. I think I fear the death threats more then CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush.


Any of those alleged threats been carried out?

Achilles said...

Blogger steve uhr said...
"I have spent time watching Fox News in recent days. They don't hide their bias. CNN may hide their bias but regardless they are more objective than Fox."

The nature of bias is that the purveyor of bias is unaware of their bias.

Because I know you can't figure it out on your own you are the unaware Party in this instance.

MadisonMan said...

(Pictures CNN in a bunker somewhere, waiting, waiting, waiting....)

Why is CNN still on in airports everywhere?

Joshua Barker said...

The greatest thing that Trump has done so far, is that by his very nature, he has told us that it is OK to fight back again... that we don't have to cower and take it like a beaten housewife... Trump has shown us that the bully's on the left are paper tigers... so used to being able to punch-down with impunity, that they've grown soft and flappy and have no clue what to do when their victim's start punching back... or even worse, when the whole world laughs / mocks/ reviles / ridicules them...

It's the greatest comeuppance of my lifetime, and one that I never dared to hope I would get to see... THANK YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP!!!

David53 said...

Memes have a much longer shelf life than the news story of the day, to quote Richard Dawkins, "The longer a meme stays in its hosts, the higher its chances of propagation are. When a host uses a meme, the meme's life is extended." We may not rickroll people anymore but everyone remembers what rickrolling is because it was a popular meme. Hundreds of millions viewed Rick Astley's music video, it changed his life. It will be interesting to see how long this meme survives and what damage it does in the long run.

FullMoon said...

That Dan Rather ploy -- using a fake, unauthenticated memo -- to smear Bush as a draft-dodging National Guard slacker was rough stuff. If unaddressed, it could have tipped the scales of a close election. In 2000, a last minute disclosure of a Bush drunk driving citation probably cost him the popular vote.

Thank God for the internet!


Pretty sure it was one guy who exposed it immediately. Charles Johnson, "Little Green Footballs"

FullMoon said...

Have any of these memes been shown on local news broadcasts?

exiledonmainstreet said...

r/v: what about the one made against Jeff Flake yesterday? A Trump hater showed up at his office in Arizona and told a staff that in order to get rid of the Republicans, the Democrats have to....come up with a better platform? campaign harder? Nah! He thinks they need better aim, unlike the baseball field shooter.

Liberals like r/v fret about threats, yet, only Republicans are the ones getting shot.

MayBee said...

roesch/voltaire said...
CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. I think I fear the death threats more then CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush.
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The point is, the death threats come with the public name. CNN making your name public is, as they acknowledged, bringing on the threats.

It isn't just women. The blogger Patterico was SWATTED. So was Erick Erikscon.

Ann Althouse said...

" I agree Lohan was great (especially at a young age) and love the movie despite its absurd plot...but it also makes me sad now thinking of Logan's wasted talent as well as the untimely death of Natasha Richardson."

Yes, it is utterly heartbreaking.

I saw Richardson in the theatrical performance of "Caberet."

Dude1394 said...

"Blogger roesch/voltaire said...

CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. I think I fear the death threats more then CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush."

You don't think you would get death threats, folks on your lawns, at your business, protesting your employer? The public folks can stand that type of attention as they are already known to their employers. But you would not be.

CNN deserves every single thing and more that they get.

Dude1394 said...

These things are hilarious, a real time waster that is great!

Ann Althouse said...

My, those ants were thorough. Even the connective tissue between the bones had to be extracted.

Drago said...

The lefty hipsters who are so internet savvy they can't even recognize when they are being trolled by parody accounts.

The left/"lifelong republicans" simply react viscerally to everything and are easily, very easily, triggered.

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/07/07/i-know-you-are-but-what-am-i-sean-spicer-parody-gets-into-hilarious-battle-of-nitwits-with-lefties/

Fernandinande said...

CNN is encouraging violence against CNN, so they can't have any pudding if they don't eat their memes.

Chuck said...

So this is the new #FakeNews; that CNN "blackmailed" somebody.

With zero evidence of any blackmail.

The "blackmail" #FakeNews is promoted by a powerful, informal-but-single-minded media conglomerate; Fox News Channel, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of far-right talk radio, and the mass of Trump/TeaParty internet outlets and social media platforms.

I'd be open -- interested, really -- in a serious discussion of the facts of this case by knowledgeable legal experts. But even Althouse seems completely disinterested in such a discussion. Instead, it is all about cheap, emotional political messaging and signaling.

#Cartoonish.


Drago said...

#CNNStrongDefender Chuck goes with latest lefty talking points!

Sans cape and mask.

Unexpectedly!

Bruce Hayden said...

An interesting somewhat corollary that may be happening is that a lot of Gen Z, successors to the Millennials, are reacting to and rebelling against the PC so strongly embraced by the preceding generation. The left, the Dems, are the staus quo now, and how can you rebel against such, by staying on tha authoritarian left? Esp after the Millennials who rebelled by going even more statist/authoritarian and politically correct?

Back when I was in HS and college (late 1960s through early 1970s), we rebelled with, sex, drugs, rock n'roll, as well as political protests against the Vietnam War, for Civil Rights, etc. CNN (along with much of the rest of the MSM) is part of the establishment, and that is, I think, a big part of why these memes have taken off - they are ways to rebell against the establishment.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Drago, I can't believe people are still falling for the "Sean Spicier" Twitter feed and reacting as although Spicer is sending those tweets out.

It's one of the funniest things on the Internet.

exhelodrvr1 said...

"informal-but-single-minded media conglomerate; Fox News Channel, Rush Limbaugh and the rest of far-right talk radio, and the mass of Trump/TeaParty internet outlets and social media platforms."

You absolutely nailed it!! That group is always in total agreement on everything!!

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I understand that the viewer numbers of CNN have really dropped recently.

My husband said "Maybe they should set their hair on fire and run around screaming on the set".

I would totally watch THAT.

deepelemblues said...

I thought one of the more charming and alluring things about this blawg was that its readers really DON'T know who professor Althouse is. All that who is she voting for this time stuff, where does she REALLY stand on this issue and that issue, very mysterious and enticing.

Ken B said...

Chuck, threatening to expose information about someone unless they do what you want is blackmail. It might not be provable in court but it is blackmail. It exactly describes this case.

Chuck said...

Drago, for every line written by me that you can find (I suspect that you won't find one) where I have "defended" CNN, I will supply two in which I explicitly wrote that I was not defending CNN's statement on the identity of "HanAssholeSolo."

You got nothin', you prick. You're a waste of my time.

You post a simple personal attack on me -- nothing else of substance -- within the very same minute as my post goes online.

You are the definition of what has been going badly on Althouse comments pages.

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exiledonmainstreet said...

CNN (along with much of the rest of the MSM) is part of the establishment, and that is, I think, a big part of why these memes have taken off - they are ways to rebell against the establishment.

7/7/17, 12:23 PM

Yep. That's why I don't get the millennials. They (the politicized ones, anyway) are so slavishly conformist that they make the Man in the Gray Flannel Suit look like a wild eccentric. Meekly accepting everything your left-wing professors tell them is the opposite of rebelliousness; it doesn't matter what color you dye your hair or how many nose rings you wear.

mockturtle said...

Steve uhr writes: I have spent time watching Fox News in recent days. They don't hide their bias. CNN may hide their bias but regardless they are more objective than Fox.

Fox has never pretended to be unbiased. They started out--and continue to be--an unabashedly conservative alternative to the long-standing liberal bias in the other TV news networks. Fox would never have succeeded had there not been an obvious problem.

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Ken B said...

How about me Chuck? I am pointing out you are wrong about CNN and blackmail, and I'm not calling you names. You have an excuse to ignore me? Threatening to expose information is the locus classicus of a blackmail threat. It is PRECISELY what CNN did. How is that not blackmail?

Todd said...

steve uhr said...

I have spent time watching Fox News in recent days. They don't hide their bias. CNN may hide their bias but regardless they are more objective than Fox.

7/7/17, 11:45 AM


LOL! Good one! Wait, what? You were serious? Really? Oh, then never mind...

Chuck said...

Ken B said...
Chuck, threatening to expose information about someone unless they do what you want is blackmail. It might not be provable in court but it is blackmail. It exactly describes this case.


If that is what happened (I have zero reason to suspect that that is what happened), and if you all are right about what an obvious offense that is to all of what is right, and just, and that is borderline criminal and clearly tortious blah blah blah... then HanAssholeSolo can hire himself a good lawyer. Maybe he can get LukeFuckheadSkywalker or DarthJerkoffVader to take the case.

It ain't happening.

In the meantime, let's all recall one of HanAssholeSolo's greatest hits. Before it was hastily deleted by the author:

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/1.799112


Sample Commenter said...

What's great is that these things are so funny that it gets the truth about the media.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Mockturtle wrote of Fox: "The started out--and continue to be--an unabashedly conservative alternative to the long-standing bias in the other TV news media"

I wouldn't call Shep Smith a conservative. In fact, I believe he admitted he voted for Obama.

Drago said...

mockturtle: "Fox would never have succeeded had there not been an obvious problem."

Great example of the previous points.

Fox News was an adaptive and disruptive answer to Chucks beloved lefty-dominated MSM. It was wildly successful and still is, despite the boycotts since most of the FOX revenue stream is built into the subscriber base and is unaffected by the boycotts.

However, even Fox itself is ripe for an attack by an insurgent conservative news outlet and I bet it won't be long before someone makes a strong attempt to steal it all away with a new approach.

Bruce Hayden said...

@Chuck - not sure what you mean by no evidence. CNN very publicly disclose the identity (dox) the one guy if he didn't behave in the future. Or, at least that is how many read the last line of their statement. Was it legally blackmail? Maybe under both/either GA (CNN headquarters) and NY law. Will they be charged, even if what they did was legally criminal? Highly unlikely. They have the deep pockets, ink by the barrel, etc, as well as connections with many of the powerful around the country, and around the world.

As for your #fakenews - are you arguing that the MSM, with CNN somewhat in the lead, haven't been pushing the Russian interference/collaboration meme for all it's worth, despite not finding any real Trump culpability after better than a year, to the detriment of covering a lot of real news (esp positive stories about Trump)? Why is the (alleged) coordination among those right wing parties any worse than the incestuous relationship between the MSM and powerful Dem politicians and power brokers?

Sample Commenter said...

He's not even the guy, Chuck.

Ken B said...

"With zero evidence of any blackmail."

Chuck, they printed their threat on their web page and advertised it through Twitter. The story containing their threat was their top story for several hours. Leave aside the nudge-nudge, "nice privacy you got there" stuff that certainly happened. Leave aside common sense. They published a threat: don't do it again, don't do anything else we don't like, or we'll out you.

Matthew Sablan said...

Why do only good people who can afford lawyers deserve the internet's support? This is a classic attempt at chilling speech, and CNN is suffering the consequences.

DanTheMan said...

>>I'd be open -- interested, really -- in a serious discussion of the facts of this case by knowledgeable legal experts.

Ted Cruz has already done this. Try to keep up.

Drago said...

#CNNStrongDefender Chuck continues fighting the old wars in the old ways.

The social media war is being won by Trump. Obviously. Any objective observer could tell you that.

Note that I am not speaking about who is right or wrong or is nice or not or is thoughtful or not or is moral or not, etc.

There are certain "facts on the ground" that exist today that did not exist a week ago or even 3 days ago that the calcified parties involved better adapt to or they will continue to "lose bigly".

exiledonmainstreet said...

"In the meantime, let's all recall one of HanAssholeSolo's greatest hits."

Again, Chuck, who cares? His views, as unsavory as they might be, are utterly immaterial.

You know that. That point was made many times yesterday.

You just want to muddy the waters because anybody who attacks Trump is, apparently, a friend of yours.

Drago said...

Sample Commenter: "He's not even the guy, Chuck"

Ssssshhhhhhh.

He's on a roll. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Ken B said...

Chcuk:
"If that is what happened (I have zero reason to suspect that that is what happened), and if you all are right about what an obvious offense that is to all of what is right, and just, and that is borderline criminal and clearly tortious "

Are you serious? We know it happened because (to repeat) THEY PUBLISHED THE THREAT. And blackmail doesn't need to be provably criminal to be blackmail. It can just be garden variety slimy.

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Ron Winkleheimer said...

"Maybe they should set their hair on fire and run around screaming on the set".

Three letters. PPV

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Sample Commenter said...

There is One America showing up on some cable systems.

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Ron Winkleheimer said...

I still can't get over Alysin Camerota lovingly describing an act of totalitarian thuggery as if it was a tender mercy. A sip of clear, cold water given to a man dying of thist.

“He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother”

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mockturtle said...

Exiled asserts: I wouldn't call Shep Smith a conservative. In fact, I believe he admitted he voted for Obama.

Oh, I don't think everyone on FOX is a conservative. Smith is gay so he has to uphold his identity side of the political spectrum.

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Known Unknown said...

"My, those ants were thorough. Even the connective tissue between the bones had to be extracted."

They are the Native Americans of the insect world.

Gk1 said...

I am halfway expecting CNN to start warning people not to watch any CNN memes because "they may have russian viruses in them" just like when wikileaks began publishing DNC internal emails and they warned people it was illegal to read them. It's as painful as having to hear Hugh Downs on 20/20 trying to explain the "video game craze".

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Bruce Hayden said...

@Exiled - my theory (right now) is that the Millennials reacted to and rebelled against Gen X and Y, which were, to a great extent reacting too and rebelling against the Boomers. I wouldn't have wanted to have been Gen X, in particular, entering the workforce, stuck behind the Pig in the Python Boomers your entire career. Tenure in academia? Forget it - most of those positions were already filled by Boomers (like Ann), and only now (for the Millennials) are freeing up a bit, as the Boomers finally retire. Corporate VPs? Same dynamic. They swerved right, because they didn't know see themselves having the luxury of leftism, as the Boomers had. Maybe think of it this way - generations that benefit from statism tend to be more statist and leftist, while the generations stuck behind the leftist generations move to the right due to the previous generation's ultimate authoritarian statism.

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William said...

The dogs that don't bark: There are rumors that Michael Brown had some disciplinary problems in school and had a record of bullying classmates. These are rumors because no news organization would go near the story. It is impossible to slander the dead, but it was felt that it would be malicious to slander the memory of that gentle giant. Ponder, gentle reader, how they researched the past history of the Reddit commenter and how they studiously ignored any mention of Michael Brown's past foibles.

Chuck said...

I think that what the CNN link shows, is a bunch of "little guys who wear yarmulkes." Good guys, in other words, to count Donald Trump's money. Better than the blacks, for sure.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html

Do you all think that Trump gets away with going after people personally, without getting it back himself?

Known Unknown said...

James Earl Jones Voice: This is CNN.

Unknown said...

These meme's are hilarious. I'm sure some people are seething at them, though. Like "I"m not defending rapists here, but come on--look at her dress, her drunken state. Why are anyone upset that the rape happened when the victim was totally like that? The rapist practically had a duty!

I'm not defending rape, though! How many times do I have to say I'm not defending rape of women who dress like they are asking for it? Just like I never would condone attacking 11 year old boys by repeatedly calling them autistic over and over and over--that's totally beyond the pale! It would be like me accusing Sarah Palin of targeting Democrats by putting crosshairs over them! Such an action like what Sarah Palin did was horrible, but I would never say she did anything wrong by targeting Democrats for murder by putting crosshairs over them! And I never, ever would support the Democrats busting down doors like the esteemed prosecutor in Wisconsin did to evil Tea Party/Scott Walker supporters who totally should have expected being punished for daring to disagree with the left! I mean, sure, busting down doors at 3 AM for political crimes is bad, we all know that-- but look what they were doing! Who could blame the prosecutor for loud, public intimidation of Republicans and conservatives? I mean, I don't support it... but they should have expected it! It's their fault for being a Republican in a Democrat controlled area--you have to expect that your life will be ruined by the left, who of course are right to be outraged at Trump!"

CNN and others use this exact reasoning: "Of course we aren't biased; it just so happens reality is on the left and of course Tea Party and Trumpists are literally Hitlerian, so no sin is too bad to go after them."

--Vance

Known Unknown said...

LLRs always bring the HuffPo links.

Fabi said...

My heart always swoon when a life long Republican links a story to the Huffington Post!

Known Unknown said...

Twitter now deems any tweet containing any anti-CNN GIFs as sensitive material.

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Unknown said...

So here is another great one for Ann to add to her post: https://twitter.com/HanAsshole/status/882783891936997377

I doubt it's the same guy being blackmailed by CNN to the cheers of some people who say that threatening people is not blackmail, but regardless, it's hysterical.

--Vance

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Clayton Hennesey said...

This attack on CNN is just like Pizzagate:

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/reliable-sources-cnnblackmail-was-far-right-narrative

But ask Oliver Darcy and that simple fact of reading comprehension is a “far-right narrative,” as he told Brian Stelter.

“One thing that struck me Tuesday night was how the narrative about this story was set by individuals on the far-right. Before it received criticism from conventional critics, prominent far-right personalities worked to get ‘#CNNBlackmail’ trending on Twitter. From there, the narrative seeped into the mainstream.”

Stelter then quotes a tweet by BuzzFeedNews’ Deputy News Director Tom Namako comparing the numerous conservative journalists who expressed outrage at CNN’s story to the internet trolls who pushed the #PizzaGate conspiracy theory.

FullMoon said...

FROM HUFFPO link, 2011 (Leads up to a "bad joke" comment he made in 1991

.Two weeks ago, when he was asked during a radio interview about whether or not he is supported by African-Americans, he sparked another firestorm when he blurted: “I have a great relationship with the blacks. I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.” Trump’s comments were “highly offensive,” Walter Fields, former head of NAACP New Jersey, told Capital New York.

Trump styles himself a modern-day beacon of racial sensitivity, often discussing the importance of the civil-rights movement. In his 2000 political manifesto, “The America That We Deserve,” Trump outlined his dream of an America unencumbered by “racism, discrimination against women, or discrimination against people based on sexual orientation.” He once donated office space to Jackson’s civil rights group, the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, he likes to pal around with African-American celebrities such as P. Diddy and Lenny Kravitz and he once hosted an NAACP convention party.

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FullMoon said...

I think that what the CNN link shows, is a bunch of "little guys who wear yarmulkes." Good guys, in other words, to count Donald Trump's money. Better than the blacks, for sure.

And black guys are stereotyped as being better at basketball. So what?

John said...

He doesn't come right out and say it but in the documentary Get me Roger Stone Stone left me believing that he was behind the Rather document incident. He set Dan up.

Not only that, there really was an original doc saying the same thing. Stone had it retyped before feeding it to Rather.

Thus Rathers fake but accxurate may have even been true.

John Henry

Matthew Sablan said...

The attack on CNN is entirely unlike pizza gate. In that, the establishment targeted made no mistake save being mentioned by Podesta. CNN is completely responsible for this completely predictable reaction.

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Unknown said...

By the way, here's food for thought. Linda Sarsour, heroine of the left and radical Islamist, just called resistance to Trump "Waging Jihad" and called for more of it.

Boy, I'd hate to be on the same side waging Jihad. What does everyone think? Should we join forces with the Islamists and wage Jihad against Trump and America?

I personally think it sure is great to be on the opposite side of the Islamists, not their allies in waging Jihad against Trump and America.

Noted leftist Chris Cizzilla quickly tried to claim Jihad is wonderful and not just sawing off heads..... I'm sure there will be a stampede of people claiming Jihad is really wonderful now that consistently targeting Trump is labeled "Jihad."

But we all know the truth, don't we?


--Vance

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Clayton Hennesey said...

The attack on CNN is entirely unlike pizza gate. In that, the establishment targeted made no mistake save being mentioned by Podesta. CNN is completely responsible for this completely predictable reaction.

I wasn't defending CNN. Darcy gives us a glimpse of what the poor gecko might have looked like had the ants attacked it while still alive.

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mockturtle said...

Vance asks: But we all know the truth, don't we?

Most of us, yes.

Unknown said...

CNN really is trying to claim that their reputation is in tatters because it's all an organized smear of poor helpless CNN by evil Right-wingers.

The exact same theory peddled earlier in this thread by someone who said they weren't defending CNN--yet saying the exact same thing CNN is arguing right now.

Wow.

Guess that settles the question about CNN defense.

Seriously though, you commentators need to see the links I posted upthread. Some golden memes about this whole CNN kerfuffle.

--Vance

Bruce Hayden said...

"Not only that, there really was an original doc saying the same thing. Stone had it retyped before feeding it to Rather.

Thus Rathers fake but accxurate may have even been true."

I don't find that overly credible - for one thing, the memo used Army, and not Air Force, terminology and rank abbreviations, which makes it more logical that the memo was written by someone with an Army, and not an AF, background, as would have been the case if it had been a real TANG memo.

Ann Althouse said...

"Because I've been telling Althouse that the best Sunday interview show is not Meet the Press, which she watches and blogs so regularly, but is instead Fox News Sunday."

I record 5 of the Sunday shows, including Fox, and I have been comparing them all for years. Lately, State of the Union and Face The Nation have been the first two that I attempt to watch.

I speed by a lot. I refuse to watch anything about health care, for example.

Unknown said...

Oh, and I must make a correction: it wasn't Chris Crizzilla, but rather Chris Cuomo of CNN who is now defending Jihad as an entirely appropriate response to Trump. Part of the "Resistance."

Yes, CNN. So I guess it wasn't off-topic after all.

--Vance

Sample Commenter said...

This thread reminds me of the movie Stand By Me, where the boys find a corpse and keep poking it with a stick. It ain't coming alive boys.

Unknown said...

Meh, another let's all bash Chuck thread, boring, boring, boring. Where are the admonitions against boring the readers?

madAsHell said...

Somewhere in China, they have started making CNN masks for Halloween.

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Ann Althouse said...

Would people stop calling out others by name?

The repetition of the word "Chuck" in this thread is so incredibly stupid and boring that I'm contemplating deleting every comment where it appears. I am not going to read all of them to try to figure out the problem. I will just say, it needs to stop. When one person is achieving this kind of disruption of the flow of normal conversation, everyone saying the name must recognize that they are part of the problem. If Chuck aggravates you, just stop feeding the all-about-Chuckiness that's ruining this thread. If you want to talk about him, go to your own blog, which you know damned well will not be read. No one cares! So why do you? It is incredibly stupid and don't respond to this comment of mine.

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Sample Commenter said...

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow revealed on Thursday night that someone is sending "carefully forged" intelligence documents to media outlets in an attempt to discredit coverage of the investigation into Russian collusion with President Donald Trump´s campaign team.

When you are that far gone, there is no bottom. "Minor miscalculation, the asteroid is coming next year!" MSNBC and CNN are four flushers. End of story.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Do you all think that Trump gets away with going after people personally, without getting it back himself?
7/7/17, 12:59 PM

From you, the avenging angel of the Lord? Rosie O'Donnell needs YOU to have her back?

You quit on the LLR lie, right? So in fairness if you're just another garage or Ritmo, ok, well, Ann wants Ann gets.

Alex said...

CNN keeps punching down and wonders why the American people hate them. You pick a fight with the internet and you lose.

Ann Althouse said...

Get back to the substance.

Stop the back and forth. It's incredibly disrespectful to me to leave me to mop up a mess like this.

Unknown said...

So noted, Ann.

This is interesting: there's a video running around of a CNN reporter that, it is alleged, found the father of the minor who made the CNN gif. The video shows the CNN reporter being his natural, totally douchebaggy self, chasing the father until finally he turns and just wallops the CNN reporter.

As wonderful as the idea sounds, it is, alas, untrue: the video is from 2013. So not the father of the Gif maker. Still, CNN reporters being punched out for being total jerks and harassing private citizens is always fun to watch. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/video-cnn-reporter-harasses-meme-makers-father-gets-busted-chops/

--Vance

Matthew Sablan said...

Why should we believe Maddow? What had she been right about Russia?

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Earnest Prole said...

I would pay good money to buy a room for the frenemies who plague these comments so they can hate-fuck each other day and night.

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Gk1 said...

I agree Trump is trouncing CNN with social media. Since Trump is running circles around the left using twitter and other social media how soon do you think it will be before the democrat's demand those companies ban Trump? I have been hearing peeps from the typical leftie mouthpieces to do this but no formal call yet from Democrats on the hill.

Drago said...

I personally love the role our LLR is playing here.

He is perfectly illustrative of what ails CNN and the self-styled elites.

And therefore perfectly on point.

Bob Loblaw said...

CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement.

Ah, yes, because who could imagine teenage boys would overreact to being insulted on the internet?

walter said...

Gh1,
Twitter's love/hate relationship with Trump must be quite painful.

Pookie Number 2 said...

Get back to the substance.

No disrespect intended, but the substance of many people attacking CNN through memes is the same substance as the many people attacking one of your commenters through comments. They're both examples of an Army of Davids responding to dishonesty.

The memes are more interesting.

walter said...

"CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. "
And the shootings of their representatives! Oh wait...

Fabi said...

Jarles Chonson to the white courtesy phone, please.

Sample Commenter said...

It used to be that if you didn't want to be mocked, you just called up SNL and told them to steer clear. Worked for Democrats, anyway. Not anymore. Democrats don't own mockery like they once did.

walter said...

But as bad as the bullying by CNN is, the actual, documented collusion between MSM media and Dem pols in the election continues to recede.
It's funny though. The usual FB friends I count on to jump on every Dem bandwagon are not saying a word about the CNN bullying.

FullMoon said...

Unconfirmed report:
Trump and Putin together laughing while watching these memes. Putin's team of hackers creating new memes to curry favor with Trump
Developing.

Angel-Dyne said...

roesch/Voltaire: CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. I think I fear the death threats more then CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush.

Oh give it a rest, r/V. Filipovic is an establishment hack who writes tedious establishment-approved feminist boiler-plate and makes big drama-queen feminist deals out of the threats and insults that any public writer, right or left, is subjected to. "Taking on the boys club", lol. Because mavericks bravely speaking truths the gatekeepers don't want to hear always get gigs at the NYT, the Atlantic, the Guardian...

I think I fear the death threats more then CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush.

Yeah, I remember the days when critics of Bush had to worry about Stasi bullying from the MSM.

FullMoon said...

CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement.

Instapundit linked to AA a couple of days ago.
Some derogatory comments there about A/M were surprisingly hateful. Beyond insulting.

Sample Commenter said...

Trump and Putin together laughing while watching these memes. Putin's team of hackers creating new memes to curry favor with Trump
Developing.


So now they are sending us free entertainment!

Alex said...

It's an ego thing with the knee-jerk need to respond to the left-wing trolls. I've decided I'm not bothering anymore. I just discuss issues, not personalities on this site.

Once again, Trump is just trouncing the media with no effort at all.

5D chess.

Tommy Duncan said...

Drago said: "WE ARE LASLO! WE ARE LASLO!"

"What do you mean WE, Kemosabe?"

mockturtle said...

I'm sure there will be a stampede of people claiming Jihad is really wonderful now that consistently targeting Trump is labeled "Jihad."

Linda Sarsour is already calling for 'jihad' against Trump. In a way, that's good. Now we can call the whole lot of them jihadis. Or mujahideen, as it were.

Clip of Sarsour speech

mockturtle said...

'Fearless girls' need safe spaces. Why would that be?

Bruce Hayden said...

The "jihad" resistance meme is also a loser for the left, and the MSM. I understand how they got there - one definition of Jihad is "resistance" and Muslims are the new Blacks, competing with Transvestites for being the group with the highest victimization score. But most of the country isn't buying in, remembers 9/11/91, the killings at the gay nightclub, and other Muslim terrorism. If they would assimilate and disavow terrorism, I think that Muslims would be accepted just fine, but so many don't, with a large minority supporting Muslim terrorism and Sharia law. And, as long as that is the case, the bulk of Americans are not going to accept them, as they are. If they want to come here, they need to live by our rules, not theirs. And, thus, tying the Resistance to Jihad is counterproductive for the Dems, the MSM, and the rest of the left - but a connection that the MSM is probably incapable of resisting,nthanks to their political correctness and statist outlook.

Fen said...

None of this would have happened if President Trump hadn't called them out.

But the joy I get from dancing on CNN's grave is dampened by a single realization: these are the people the GOP Establishment Cucks have been caving to for over a decade? Are you fucking kidding me?

Feste said...

O God, for some comic relief in the desert of the serious, where a merry heart makes good medicine. The only perfect – is, well, Christine Anne Perfect (god-whatta-fox at 73) – so honey, “tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies ... oh, no, no you can't disguise.” Now that I’ve outed her ...

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Fabi said...

I've lost track of the number of .gifs I've seen hammering the whiners at CNN. I remain surprised that they've tripled-down on teh stupid -- there has to be an adult somewhere in that organization. They won't much recover from this -- and it's the most fun I've ever had with my clothes on!

Sample Commenter said...

A Florida plane crash scene became even more disturbing when an alligator was spotted devouring the victim’s body. The wreckage was discovered Wednesday night in the Everglades four days after the plane took off on an unauthorized trip from a flight school, according to WPLG. The sole occupant of the single-engine Cessna 152 was the pilot, who has not been identified. Local news station WPLG headed to the scene, where helicopter footage showed a body in a swamp next to the wreckage — and an alligator wading nearby. “A gator appears to be chewing on a body next to the wreckage,”

Prime GIF material, I am betting.

walter said...

And..what a boon to the diminished GIF format.

walter said...

Make America GIF Again

Alex said...

Every time Trump says 'radical Islamic terror' the left has a conniption fit and has to ramp up the insanity to 11. Meanwhile normal people agree with what Trump said.

Drago said...

Tommy Duncan: ""What do you mean WE, Kemosabe?"

True, but you'll have to forgive my "je suis Charlie" riff.

mockturtle said...

Drago, I think most of us here are Laslo.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The fact that the Meme cannot be killed by CNN and is growing more every day, just illustrates that the MSM or entrenched media people don't understand HOW the internet works or just who is creating and watching these memes. Or that the media live in such an insular bubble that they know no one outside of their circle.

I find the whole thing hilarious. Plus the skills and humor of the meme creators is pretty impressive.

Drago said...

Drago, I think most of us here are Laslo.

That's good as we must all hang together or else the left and their LLR allies will hang us all separately!

Darrell said...

Trump delivered a generational speech in Poland--the best ever in Europe. And most people will not see him do it or read the words. The Lefty media talks about a stiffed handshake from Poland's First Lady that never happened. The world need a enema with a fire hose.

John Tuffnell said...

"My, those ants were thorough. Even the connective tissue between the bones had to be extracted."

Insect Politics or Insect Picnics - it's never personal, just ruthless efficiency in achieving their goal.

Quaestor said...

In a bubble of their own making. They don't see the train coming.

That's a helluva mixed metaphor, Eric.

Sample Commenter said...

“The line that raised the most eyebrows was inserted during the editing process,” the insider added. “But I’m not sure who inserted — editor, legal or standards. I do know the intention was exactly the opposite of the outcome.” - Daily Caller

Yeah, the intentions was to threaten whomever with possible career ruin, and with this anti-Republican nutbags running around with guns and other weapons these days, bodily harm, and for him to understand his role as a member of the underclass and his rightful place under CNN's boot or not, totally at CNN's pleasure. Everybody understands this, right?

It's like the old days in Europe, when a person of aristocratic birth could beat a commoner with a cane or whatever was hand for "insolence"! Those were the days for the elites, right CNN?

The whole Daily Caller article that came from is very sympathetic to CNN, and shows no effort on CNN's part to understand why the outcome was "the opposite" of their intentions, none. I am starting to come to the belief that, like Insty says, it's "status insecurity."

Meanwhile, it turns out that that story about the "document" that names "political figures". won't die... Leak says that Comey said the document was the reason he went public on Hillary. Lynch denied under oath that any such communication exists. FBI had it, now the Senate does, apparently.

he asked if Lynch had met with anyone on Hillary’s staff during the yearlong investigation, to which she replied: “I have not spoken to anyone on either the campaign or transition or any staff members affiliated with them.”

The committee, however, now knows of a document obtained by the FBI reportedly showing a Democratic operative’s claim that Lynch had privately assured Renteria that the Justice Department “would not push too deeply” into the investigation of Clinton’s private email server, which contained top secret information from the State Department.

And it will press her to explain the discrepancy — along with why she reportedly asked former FBI Director James Comey to leave her office when he confronted her with the document.
- NY Post

Maybe the Democrat media is happy to put a kick-me sign on CNN to distract from this story... One thing for sure, this story is either true or false, unlike the Trump/Russia thing, there is specific evidence which either does or does not exist.

Sample Commenter said...

I remember when a journalist was interviewing Drudge, many years ago, and he demanded to know who was "funding' Drudge's primitive black and while HTML page that consisted almost entirely of links.

Curious George said...

"Ann Althouse said...
I speed by a lot. I refuse to watch anything about health care, for example."

I'm curious (of course) why?

Sample Commenter said...

The network seems to be fulfilling Trump’s need for a public enemy. In other words, CNN fills the void for “Low energy Jeb,” “Little Marco,” “Lyin’ Ted” and “Crooked Hillary.” In recent months, CNN has become a virtual punching bag for Trump supporters. The reason doesn’t often matter. Be it White House correspondent Jim Acosta bitching about press access or “New Day” host Chris Cuomo deleting a tweet, they’re drunk on hate and their perception that the network is not giving Trump a fair shake. - Daily Caller

Talk about taking on the other side's best arguments. Yes, that's it, nothing about retracted stories, for example. They can't be a problem for these deplorable hoards of drooling troglodytes who support Trump. It's all about the lizard brain with us, isn't it CNN? They can't even understand how what they wrote could be seen as a threat from the powerful to a powerless private citizen, and how they threatened the whole internet commenting community.

Rob McLean said...

If Chuck aggravates you, just stop feeding the all-about-Chuckiness that's ruining this thread.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply ban Chuck from this board?

It's incredibly disrespectful to me to leave me to mop up a mess like this.

This is a weblog, not a papal bull. Get over yourself.

exhelodrvr1 said...

"Drago, I think most of us here are Laslo.

That's good as we must all hang together or else the left and their LLR allies will hang us all separately!"

Hung well, I hope!

Known Unknown said...

"r/v: what about the one made against Jeff Flake yesterday?"

It seems to be catching.

Khesanh 0802 said...

@Ann at 1:45 I have been itching for days to make this same statement to the commenters, but have felt that it was not my place. Let Chuck say whatever Chuck wants to say, but ignore him. The constant - and childish - back and forth does nothing but ruin an otherwise very intelligent and mature comments section. Most people here have knowledgeable opinions to contribute. Getting caught up in Chuck does no one any good. Ignore the guy and stick to the thread, or, if you can't do that, just be silent for a while until your frustration has worked its way out.

Doug said...

"Why is CNN still on in airports everywhere?" Does anyone know how to hack into airport television feeds?

FullMoon said...

Speaking of fake news, James O'Keefe frames WaPo fake news retraction. Pretty funny

Fake News Retraction

rcocean said...

"...just stop feeding the all-about-Chuckiness that's ruining this thread."

Not only do I agree, i think "chuckiness" is hilarious.

We've seen this before. Why doesn't Chuck start his own blog, and then he and his friends could just marinate in the "Chuckiness" 24/7?

Think about it. Instead of having to come to Althouse and wait for some "chuckiness" to show up, you could slurp it up 24/7 at "Chuck's blog".

In fact, "chuck" could put this on this blog:

How many chucks
Would a wood chuck chuck
If a wood chuck could chuck wood?

rcocean said...

Whoops just read the "don't respond"

Sorry abut that Chief.

Quaestor said...

roesch/voltaire wrote: CNN stirred the wrong meme, but women bloggers like Jill Filipovic and others who take on the boy's club get insults and threats to the point that they need to contact law enforcement. I think I fear the death threats more then [sic] CNN making my name public for a drunken tweet about Bush.

The history of these "insults and threats" suggests those who fear such mostly whole cloth bullshit are bullshitting. The easiest way for a mediocrity to garner (the forbidden word!) fame and sympathy is to concoct a I'm being stalked by snipers and/or toxic masculinity types" narrative. Do we need to be reminded of the egregious Suey Park once again?

rcocean said...

CNN is a disaster area. Unlike MSNBC which was set up by liberal NBC to "Counter act" Fox News, CNN was supposed to be the "Independent" news source.

Zucker has changed that. CNN is now passed MSNBC as the most irresponsible, biased, left-wing, clown network.

And Zucker acts like its a badge of honor. We know he was personal friend of Obama but y'know CNN *used to* stand for something.

Annie C said...

I am apologizing in advance, but it is irresistable.

Replace 'wood' with Trump.

rcocean said...

Notice how after the CNN meme, the reporters are responding with same old tired "We'ze getting death threats".

Guess what? EVERY public figure and official gets "death threats". I wonder how many rape/death threats Ann Coulter or Sarah Palin has got?

How many death threats do you think Sean Hannity or Fox news reporters get?

CNN - what a bunch of fakes.

Chuck said...

Khesanh 0802 said...
@Ann at 1:45 I have been itching for days to make this same statement to the commenters, but have felt that it was not my place. Let Chuck say whatever Chuck wants to say, but ignore him. The constant - and childish - back and forth does nothing but ruin an otherwise very intelligent and mature comments section. Most people here have knowledgeable opinions to contribute. Getting caught up in Chuck does no one any good. Ignore the guy and stick to the thread, or, if you can't do that, just be silent for a while until your frustration has worked its way out.

Good post. Great idea.

Clearly, Ann has had enough of fights involving me. And doesn't want any more of it. Cleanups are time-consuming and probably dispiriting for her. There is no easy way for her to do it.

But in keeping with that desire, on the part of the proprietress of this blog, I can only say that I have been begging my detractors for months to just ignore me if they are simply going to start in with me on the basis of personal attacks.

Let's observe quite specifically that there are many long-time commenters here, who do not agree with me and who might even hate me, but they do not go into personal attacks. And they know better than anyone that they naturally get no personal back-and-forth from me. They are doing it just right.

The problem is with a specific (and, thankfully, credit to most who post here) small group. As Althouse would say, "[t]hey already know who they are."

I endorse your suggestion wholeheartedly; don't get into it with Chuck unless you are sticking strictly to the thread. Ignore Chuck if you don't like him.

Ann Althouse said...

"They're both examples of an Army of Davids responding to dishonesty."

1. You don't send an "army of Davids" after an individual private citizen. One pseudonymous commenter here is not the equivalent of CNN.

2. The memes about CNN are creative and funny. The back and forth in this thread was boring.

3. I made a front page post about the memes aimed at CNN. I set up the conversation on my blog. I create a forum with the front page post, and the people who come here for the comments page owe me some respect for the conversation I set up. I would not do a front page post about Chuck, obviously. If you think he's worthy of attack and it's appropriate to lambaste him, you should do a front-page post on your own blog. Since you can easily see that would be an idiotic thing to do, you should conclude that we're not dealing with equivalents.

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