June 3, 2017

What it means to say "He broke me" — the words Kathy Griffin said 3 times and made her cry.

Here's yesterday's post about Griffin's "He broke me." She'd lawyered up, and she'd moved beyond her sincere apology for going too far and wanted all the people who were outraged and attacking her to know that now they'd gone too far, and they had become the bullies. But it shifted from crying out about all the many people who were swarming her, to a focus on the one man, Trump. The key phrase was "He broke me." That one man, he broke her.

If you do a Google image search for "broke me," you'll see something like this:



"Broke me" belongs in melodramatic speech about a love relationship. Where did that visualization of Trump come from? Kathy Griffin never had a love relationship Donald Trump — did she?! — so how could there have been an emotional reservoir from which "He broke me" could spring?

You might argue, it wasn't that kind of "broke me." It was like breaking a horse. She sees herself as a wild, untamed creature — galloping comedy, running free. And Trump tamed her. He got that saddle on her and he's riding her. No. I'm not seeing that.

She was in relationship mode. "He broke me" is of a piece with: I really loved him. But how can that make sense?! It made enough sense for her to stop and listen to herself and say it again and hear herself again and say it once more with overly passionate feeling, like a ham actress in a bad movie. Why?! Where did that come from?

One answer is: We (some of us) are experiencing Donald Trump as our boyfriend. We love him in a romantic way. It's easy to see that we felt like that about Obama. I wrote a post in 2014 about how I already had 54 post with my tag "Obama the Boyfriend." It is something that happens with political leaders, romantic fixation. It was especially strong with Obama, and we could see it and (often) confess to it, because he was outwardly so charming and attractive and we wanted to be seen loving him.

But Trump?! Could Trump's success — his bizarre, how-the-hell-did-that-happen? success — be explained as romantic love? Throughout the campaign season, I know, I always opposed Trump on the sheer merits, but I also observed myself rooting for him. It was absurd, and yet I saw it happening for months. I didn't want him to win, so what was this crazy elation when he did win? I asked myself that question over and over again and observed myself on the heightened scrutiny level of knowing I was doing it and that it was bizarre.

I'm not making a new tag for this. I'll just give it my old tag "Trump derangement syndrome." It's a love/hate relationship.

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Meade said...

Your post broke me. How will I ever be able to comment again?

Fernandinande said...

I wish that bunch of old white guys were more effective in their silencing.

Meade said...

Just typing out that last comment made me cry.

n.n said...

Griffin, the crazy never-girlfriend.

Meade said...

I'm going to my room. To listen to my emo records. And cry.

robother said...

Jesus, Ann. This is Sedaris Diary territory.

Big Mike said...

@Meade, please don't go. You still have friends who like you.

rhhardin said...

It's a woman thing.

Obama was always a piece of shit and Trump promised to break the stranglehold of PC on the public culture by showing how to break it. That's the guy thing.

gspencer said...

Oh, Kathy, how can we get to miss you if you won't ever go away?

Ann Althouse said...

Jesus, Ann. This is Sedaris Diary territory."

Thanks!

Breezy said...

I took it to mean that her schtick of "moving the line" and "crossing the line" has been broken. Broken schtick.

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, interesting analysis. I had connected her words to loss of anticipated income and likely financial difficulties. "Broke" as in bankrupt, in other words.

Snark said...

"Do you remember what you felt about Trump at the beginning of the Primaries season? He was entertaining, weird, ridiculous, fascinating. He made you feel like you were living something you’ve never seen before. Things didn’t make any sense. You couldn’t quite categorize him or point out the source of his attraction, but you couldn’t stop coming back for more, even if it felt somewhat… dirty. Wrong. That’s the feeling you get from a sociopath. I recognized it immediately because I once lived with one."

That's how it's explained.

Passage from https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/trump-is-a-sociopath-and-conservatives-his-latest-victims-20fa8390cf6b

Hagar said...

You also need to consider that Kathy Griffin just plain may not be very bright.

Bad Lieutenant said...

Tell us about that dream you had about him that you didn't want to tell us about.

Ann Althouse said...

"Obama was always a piece of shit and Trump promised to break the stranglehold of PC on the public culture by showing how to break it. That's the guy thing."

Let's get more cuttingly analytical about the "guy thing" you have with Trump. It's relationships, even when guys do it.

Humperdink said...

I read Trump's response to her bloody depiction of him. For Trump, it was fairly tame.

I will tell who Trump broke: Low Energy Jeb, Little Marco, and Lyin' Ted.

He didn't break Hillary. Didn't need to, she was broke by Bill a long time ago. An old white guy.

Bob Boyd said...

Maybe she meant financially. She lost a bunch of gigs.

Snark said...

I do feel for Kathy Griffin. I don't think she has anybody around her who is able to give her good advice, at least not that she will hear. That press conference just dug her deeper and wider.

The Drill SGT said...

There is also the Torture and Interrogation context of "Broke me"

William said...

I think this is an interesting and perceptive post. I voted for Trump largely because he's not Hillary, but there's no denying he has a fan base and that he exerts considerable emotional appeal on that base. This is as good an explanation as any........Maybe Griffin was using hipster talk. I don't speak that language, but "broke me" might have a different valence or connotation among the hip. If so, we'll never know by reading the comments here.......Broke as in flat broke or broken as in a broken mattress spring? There's so much complexity and depth in Kathy Griffin's mind that her statements can be discussed endlessly and their full meaning never truly fathomed. There are poems by Yeats that are like that.

Matthew Sablan said...

"For Trump, it was fairly tame."

-- That's actually a good point. Has his Twitter posting finally gotten under control? No 3 AM rant about how sick she is?

Leslie Graves said...

This is perfect.

Meade said...

If Kathy tickles me, do I not laugh?
If she poisons me, do I not die?
And if she beheads me, do I not bleed?

Bruce Gee said...

I don’t know about cuttingly analytical, but the guy thing I had with Trump was he was the only one in the field that I thought had a chance to erode the progressive agenda in the fed. That maybe will help you to understand why I don’t give a damn about his tweeting and his inaccuracies. They would have to get a lot, a lot worse before it mattered to me. You know, I figured the country was lost anyway, so what the heck: one last roll of the dice.

I never understood the disgusting romantic fixation anyone had for Obama. With Trump: for guys like me its relatively easy to keep a distance because he is so transparent, and we don’t actually trust the guy if you know what I mean.

Comanche Voter said...

Kathy Griffin is only half a horse---the after part.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

Now Meadehouse roll playing has gone digital.

Anywho, I guess it's some sorta feminism to have the dude dress up and act like a school boy.


Carry on.

Bob said...

Broke her of sucking eggs, as we say in the South, usually as a threat/promise: "I'll break you of sucking eggs." If the person saying also gets all squint-eyed, you're about to be beaten.

madAsHell said...

I didn't understand the phrase "broke me", but I assumed that would be short-lived. Stay Woke!!

Quayle said...

<" I asked myself that question over and over again and observed myself on the heightened scrutiny level of knowing I was doing it and that it was bizarre.">

It was not bizarre. It was your conscience - your soul - yearning for something to change, for someone to break the speech and talking point patterns of which we have all become wretchedly sick and tired.

We're hostages to the most mind numbing "interactive" dialogue between politicians and the media, that we can barely keep our sanity.

Nobody normal talks anything like how the media asks questions and the politicians pretend to answer them.

Yet we pretend that their conversation somehow has meaning and import, even though in our heart of hearts we know it is complete crap.

David Begley said...

Broke her like after torture. The Trump family tweets were the modern functional equivalent of waterboarding. The cyberspace outrage machine was all cranked up against this poor little nasty liberal and she couldn't take it.

rhhardin said...

Let's get more cuttingly analytical about the "guy thing" you have with Trump. It's relationships, even when guys do it.

There's no relationship. That must be the woman thing at bottom.

Guys go right for the idea. Abstracting.

Relationship with the idea, say, of undoing PC as an editor of all thought.

So much of PC is built on relationships. Were it not for soap opera women, there'd be no news at all.

Meade said...

Ah, you jape just like K. Griffin, yes, you do
You make fun just like K. Griffin, yes, you do
Then you fake just like K. Griffin
But you break just like a little churl

Bad Lieutenant said...

PBJ, why don't you go by your old handle or "shiloh" anymore? Dude? carry on.

You can be replaced by rhhardin's script. Please consider it. Until then, we can at least glory in the memory of your confidence in Hillary's Triumph. Did it hurt? Did it...break you?

rhhardin said...

It was no sex the weekend Nixon resigned. The GF had a relationship with him. I didn't give him a thought.

richlb said...

She means the bitch is broke. No cash and no income. Broke.

Meade said...

Okay, I'll be serious for a second. How did Trump "break" Kathy Griffin? He said her beheading stunt was "sick". And then Melania said that what Griffin did was "disturbing".

Those 2 words — "sick" and "disturbing" purportedly "broke" Kathy Griffin.

Come on — don't we need better comediennes?

Matthew Sablan said...

The worst part is -- Trump did nothing to her, compared to how Trump broke other people. He didn't show up with a bunch of her accusers; he didn't tear her apart publicly, or privately. He simply stated that she was a jerk, and his wife mentioned her that Griffin upset her son.

The person/people Griffin REALLY should feel broker her are Anderson Cooper and other liberals who finally decided that, like Boxer, she was of no use to the #Resistance any more.

Birches said...

I didn't want him to win, so what was this crazy elation when he did win?

Oh, this is how I felt too! It's so weird and I don't have any reasoning for it either.

mccullough said...

She broke herself

The Godfather said...

The first thing I thought of when I read her statement was what John McCain (and other American prisoners in North Viet Nam) said about the torture inflicted on them: eventually, they "broke me". I see David Begley made the same connection.

Whatever Griffin had in mind (or whatever it is that she uses in lieu of a mind), her whine that TRUMP did something TO HER is incredibly narcisstic. She needs to go away, and we should help her do that by ignoring her.

Michael McClain said...

(snif) "The bad mans wuz mean to widdle old me."

Example of karma, Kathy. You got the attention you wanted. I am Woman. Hear me whine.

Birches said...

It was not bizarre. It was your conscience - your soul - yearning for something to change, for someone to break the speech and talking point patterns of which we have all become wretchedly sick and tired.

We're hostages to the most mind numbing "interactive" dialogue between politicians and the media, that we can barely keep our sanity.

Nobody normal talks anything like how the media asks questions and the politicians pretend to answer them.

Yet we pretend that their conversation somehow has meaning and import, even though in our heart of hearts we know it is complete crap.


This is a good explanation.

Rene Saunce said...

Kathy is a strong leftwing feminist! She can dish it, and she can take it. Oh wait, no she can't.

tcrosse said...

My prediction: Colbert will have KG on soon, and the studio audience will give her a standing ovation.

Original Mike said...

"The worst part is -- Trump did nothing to her, compared to how Trump broke other people. He didn't show up with a bunch of her accusers; he didn't tear her apart publicly, or privately. He simply stated that she was a jerk, and his wife mentioned her that Griffin upset her son."

Maybe the head thing was a setup to attack Trump when he went all medieval on her. Trump didn't take the bait but Griffin had no choice but to procede with the next stage of the plan. The result is behavior from Griffin that doesn't appear to make sense.

policraticus said...

I think the simplest answer is that she believes that Donald Trump made her crazy, that his very existence broke her mind. It is a self-diagnosis of a virulent form of Trump Derangement Syndrome. She wants us to believe that Trump struck first. That the virtual beheading was an act of self defense.

Unfortunately for Griffin, we have a long career in evidence of her saying cruel things about people who cannot or will not defend themselves. She has made a career out of getting laughs for being snarky and irreverent toward such universal villains as Taylor Swift. And for her hyperbole regarding the foibles of the creative class she has been handsomely rewarded, both in money and in accolades.

There is a thin line between hyperbole and being unhinged. If you are lucky, you have a friend or two who will tell you to dial it back a notch. If your Kathy Griffin? Not so much.

Clyde said...

I'll see your Ed Sheeran and raise you a Garbage:

Garbage - Bad Boyfriend

Matthew Sablan said...

Original Mike: I dunno about that. I think Griffin is genuinely confused, but she knows she can't just shout at CNN and the left and say: "You wanted this! You laugh at this! Colbert said his mouth was a cockholster! THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT! WHY DON'T YOU HAVE MY BACK?"

She thought she was as influential or powerful as someone like Colbert, but was slapped down and reminded that, no. She isn't one of the special people who get dispensations.

Birkel said...

@ Althouse: "...it is something that happens...

No. A thousand times no.

There is agency. People choose to believe they have personal relationships with distant people: presidents, actors, authors, etc. But those people choose poorly.

The people on the Left who believed they had a relationship with Obama, that cold, calculating politician, were Willing Dupes. The people on the Left who are pretending at the same with Trump, the ridiculous man, are pretending at Willing Dupe in order to solicit a response from others who might be fooled.

It is something that happens when people are unbalanced and put too much stock in politicians. Maybe.

Bob Boyd said...

Griffin is between a rock and a hard place. I bet she's getting as much or more crap for apologizing as she did for the beheading pics. The Resistance can't be pleased that a line was finally drawn somewhere on what can be said about Trump.

So maybe she was speaking to them and meant Trump broke her will to resist.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Trump's "lame" tweet about Kathy Griffen makes complete sense. When your opponent is busy destroying himself, don't interfere.

I also understood her whine: "He broke me" as being a reference to her her career and $$.

I don't know about a love hate relationship WITH Trump himself, but I sure love what he is doing to the Democrats, the liberals and the entrenched RINOs. My vote was firstly against Hillary, but more so for someone who would come in and kick the hell out of the establishment. Turn the tables over. Upset the apple cart and in general just jerk the whole system back into something that is there for the American people and not for the entitled elites.

Probably, I love the idea of Trump, what he proposed to represent, and not Trump himself. Now as to the love turning into hate, that can happen too If Trump goes back on his promises and morphs into yet another weaselly political hack. I The turning point was really close when it sounded like he might be waffling on the Paris Accord.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Second to that are the voters who put their hopes into a figure that turns out to be a fraud. Fool us once......no second chances.

Inga said...

"I asked myself that question over and over again and observed myself on the heightened scrutiny level of knowing I was doing it and that it was bizarre."

Yes indeed it was. I'm so glad I'm in the large group of people who never loved him.

Sydney said...

I took it to mean "ruined me." Ruined financially. Ruined socially. But she did it to herself, as others have pointed out.

Matthew Sablan said...

"Trump's "lame" tweet about Kathy Griffen makes complete sense. When your opponent is busy destroying himself, don't interfere."

-- I think this shows some growth on his part. Normally, he's the kind to kick someone when they're down. This time, he stepped back and watched. Or maybe Kellyanne Conway or Melania stole his phone and tweeted for him.

Crazy Jane said...

Oh, I see. You make fun of a someone you and your friends hate by posting a triumphal picture with his bloody severed head. It was a hilarious joke and trenchant social commentary.

Imagine how popular Ted Nugent would have been if he'd posted a picture of himself with the head of Barack Obama. But Ted has some boundaries, or possibly better manners. He wouldn't expect to be congratulated for something like that.

Goose, gander.

This comedian and last November's also-ran are giving women a bad name by not accepting responsibility for their own actions.

Inga said...

"Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Second to that are the voters who put their hopes into a figure that turns out to be a fraud. Fool us once......no second chances."

Some of us knew Trump was a fraud from day one. What took y'all so long?

Capt. Schmoe said...

Rumor is that she is working on a screenplay. It's called "Broke Hack Mountain"

tcrosse said...

In a cartoonish election, Trump was Bart Simpson and Hillary was Lucy Van Pelt. No contest.
Now Kathy Griffin unwittingly eclipses Hillary as the Crazy Aunt in the attic.

Matthew Sablan said...

"Imagine how popular Ted Nugent would have been if he'd posted a picture of himself with the head of Barack Obama. But Ted has some boundaries, or possibly better manners. He wouldn't expect to be congratulated for something like that. "

-- I don't think so. If he thought he could get away with it, he probably would have. But a guy who normally wore masks of presidents lost his job for wearing an Obama mask, as a single example, so we knew from fairly early on that one did not jest about the king during the reign of Obama.

We went from Colbert joking about Vladimir Putin orally raping Trump and artists depicting him as a grotesque, to Griffin posing with his severed head. It's natural she thought that would not be objectionable, or simply would push the boundaries.

Tari said...

tcrosse is right. This is the first step in rehabilitating her. The left were embarrassed by what she did - or they had to pretend they were, because so many people were outraged. Now that she's a "victim" with her tears and her brokenness, that gives them a path to bring her back. "And poor wittle Kathy will be with us on the show tonight. Folks, she's just BEEN THROUGH SO MUCH."

stever said...

Her most notable activity up to this incident is the NYE gig with Anderson Cooper.

1. That's not something I, and most people, watch, much less, give a shit about.

2. She is not funny

3. Her mental state deriving from this is self inflicted -- own it Griffen.

Clyde said...

And apropos of nothing, but I found it on the same YouTube page, here's Kirsten Dunst doing a cover video of the classic song by The Vapors, "Turning Japanese.":

Kirsten Dunst - Turning Japanese

That may be the weirdest thing you see all day.

Fen said...

I think it was a deliberate choice of words likely suggested by her attorney:

"I want you to _think_ he raped me, he raped me, he raped me while you _say_ he broke me, he broke me, he broke me."

Her emotionalism and body language is that of a sexual assault victim, which also plays into the Misogynist Trump narrative, and Griffin IS an actress afterall. Even the press conference was staged in the way it would be for a rape victim coming forward.

You know you heard "he broke me" but I suspect many listeners had a visceral reaction as if they heard "he raped me".

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I said: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Second to that are the voters who put their hopes into a figure that turns out to be a fraud. Fool us once......no second chances."

Inga says: Some of us knew Trump was a fraud from day one. What took y'all so long?

Hardly my point. Missed it by a mile, but carry on.

Bruce Hayden said...

I think that a lot of those here are overthinking this a bit. Or maybe I am. But I see this as an appeal to left wing victimology. Very much like when Trayvon Martin was seen as the victim, dying after trying to beat George Zimmerman's head into the concrete walk, then trying to strangle him, or Big Mike Brown dying while charging Officer Owin Wilson, after having earlier punched him and tried to take his gun away from him. Both violent thugs, dying in the commission of violent thuggish acts, and, yet, somehow seen by the left as the victims, and the guys they physically assaulted as the victimizers. I see her as trying to flip the script, trying to get the left behind her as the victim, and not the real victims - the Trump family.

Sebastian said...

Let's try something more parsimonious, with thanks/apologies to Carl Hempel: special people are never to blame but will instead blame others in a way that benefits them; KG, being a woman, is special; therefore, not she but her high-value target is to blame.

Inga said...

"Hardly my point. Missed it by a mile, but carry on."

I got your point. I used some creative license with it, that's all.

Curious George said...

"Kathy Griffin never had a love relationship Donald Trump — did she?!"

She brings skankness to 11, so maybe.

Matthew Sablan said...

They made a movie about assassinating Bush! What happened since then to make joking about the murder of the president "Not funny."

Obama became president, and the left decided, "One does not jest about the king."

They just haven't updated the playbook universally now that Obama is not the president.

Hagar said...

Well, yeah. Been living beyond her means and now find herself radioactive in the market place.
But Trump did not do it to her; she did.

And that is generally true, I think. Trump has not "done" much of anything to the Democrats; they are doing it to themselves. Their behavior after the last election really has been beyond the pale and quite unacceptable.
As someone remarked: elections have consequences. That your party loses one is no excuse for going into hysterics and acting like a bunch of kindergarteners who did not get their way, when dealing with national politics.

Birkel said...

Proposed Buwaya Law:
The MSM is centrally coordinated and all messaging should be interpreted as such.

Therefore:
What Kathy Griffen did was present a Sister Souljah moment for the Left, which had overextended itself on hopes of impeachment. Those daydreams will not be realized.

Nyamujal said...

@inga
"Some of us knew Trump was a fraud from day one. What took y'all so long?"

I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows he's a fraud. They're just supporting him because he's doing a good job of pissing liberals off. After all, they think liberals are a greater threat to the country.

Inga said...

Griffin won't get the majority of left to embrace her just because she cried on TV and said Trump broke her. She broke herself, she has to put herself together by not blaming her victim for her own act. Trump is often the victimizer, but not in this instance.

Fen said...

"Some of us knew Trump was a fraud from day one"

Oh please. Trump is not a fraud.

And no one believes you had the first clue about who Trump was - you thought Hillary would win in a landslide. You're just saying this now so you can get the word "fraud" in play.

Try not to be so transparent. You've become predictable and boring. Finally refilled your prescriptions, yes?

Once written, twice... said...

Ann wrote "I know, I always opposed Trump on the sheer merits, but I also observed myself rooting for him. It was absurd, and yet I saw it happening for months. I didn't want him to win, so what was this crazy elation when he did win?"

Bullshit Ann. You never blogged your opposition to Trump. You were never able to write critically about Trump. But now you want to create distance between yourself and your year of blogging that was favorable to Trump. You have viewed and treated Trump's rise to power as being a reality TV show. And not you are trying to write an excuse for yourself.

Curious George said...

"Inga said...
"Hardly my point. Missed it by a mile, but carry on."

I got your point. I used some creative license with it, that's all."

No you are a dullard. A parrot.

Birkel said...

@ Nyamujal

Pray tell what evidence of fraud do you have? One accepted piece of evidence of fraud would be specific campaign promises that have not been pursued since inauguration. Are there others?

NOTE: If policies are pursued but have not yet been accomplished, that cannot count as evidence of fraud.

AReasonableMan said...

Matthew Sablan said...
we knew from fairly early on that one did not jest about the king during the reign of Obama.


Ted Nugent: Hang Obama
obama effigy burned
Obama effigy
Obama hung

Gahrie said...

@Once written:

Instead of the constant attacks on Althouse for her "support" of Trump....why don't you try explaining how the "most qualified candidate for president ever" lost to him despite the advantages of money and support from the MSM and cultural elites.

Besides Russian meddling that is.

Nyamujal said...

@Once written,twice

Ann has mastered the art of never never-Trump takes. Guys like Tucker Carlson would be less annoying if they adopted her media critique tactics.

Meade said...

Out: Woke
In: Broke

Matthew Sablan said...

"Tried for treason and hung" is a lot different from "Ha ha ha, look at this! I'm throwing around Obama's severed head!" I think cutting off the "and Clinton" is kind of curious. Did you deliberately try and make it look like Nugent was talking about a good ol' lynching by taking his comments out of context, or were you just too lazy to copy and paste the entire headline?

The rest of those kind of make my point; they're just random things littered about here and there. You didn't get anything akin to the Assassination movie porn you got for Bush (which I thought was in bad taste, but didn't think deserved anything to happen to them for.)

AReasonableMan said...

Once written, twice... said...
Ann wrote "I know, I always opposed Trump on the sheer merits, but I also observed myself rooting for him. It was absurd, and yet I saw it happening for months. I didn't want him to win, so what was this crazy elation when he did win?"

Bullshit Ann. You never blogged your opposition to Trump.


Althouse's always implausible pose that she was a reasonable person trapped the liberal hell of Madison has collapsed since her retirement. It has become embarrassing and she should just drop the mask.

Inga said...

"I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows he's a fraud. They're just supporting him because he's doing a good job of pissing liberals off. After all, they think liberals are a greater threat to the country."

Yes, I'd say that is very true with a large percentage of Trumpists. Charlie Sykes wrote a very insightful article about that very phenomena a few weeks ago. What that says about them is not good, to not recognize the greater danger to the country.

Gahrie said...

That your party loses one is no excuse for going into hysterics and acting like a bunch of kindergarteners who did not get their way, when dealing with national politics.

This is what happens when your ideology is based on feelz rather than reason.

The thing that scares me the most about today's Left is the absolute abandonment of reason.

Birkel said...

In accordance with Buwaya's Law:

Does everybody see how the Leftists here are given an opportunity to sound reasonable? The centrally directed MSM efforts give not only politicians a Sister Souljah moment, but also Inga, so called, has a shot.

Of course, history does not start yesterday for non-Leftists. So this appeal is meant to solidify the base and inoculate the Left from future criticism for overzealous attacks on President Trump.

Grab your carry on.

JAORE said...

"...Kathy Griffin is only half a horse---the after part. "

He stump broke me?

The whole incident illustrates the power of the visual. Comparisons have been made to Nugent and Colbert. If either of them had had graphic illustrations of their words the uproar would have been far greater.

KG took graphic to a whole 'nother level.

Gahrie said...

to not recognize the greater danger to the country.

Hillary was a greater danger to this country than Trump by a large margin.

Fen said...

Did Trump fraudulently campaign as an American Hercule Poirot? Hardly. He presented himself as he is now, which was why so many voters were on the fence asking "These two jackasses are my choices? Are you fricken kidding me? Can I vote for SMOD instead?'

Clyde said...

Dust Bunny Queen said...
I said: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Second to that are the voters who put their hopes into a figure that turns out to be a fraud. Fool us once......no second chances."

Inga says: Some of us knew Trump was a fraud from day one. What took y'all so long?

Hardly my point. Missed it by a mile, but carry on.


Rocket Raccoon: [about Drax] His people are completely literal. Metaphors go over his head.
Drax the Destroyer: *Nothing* goes over my head...! My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it.

Nyamujal said...

@Birkel
"Pray tell what evidence of fraud do you have? One accepted piece of evidence of fraud would be specific campaign promises that have not been pursued since inauguration. Are there others?
"

Ha, I figure you haven't read the Trump budget or the house healthcare bill.

Birkel said...

@ Gahrie
Evidence of abandonment of reason requires proof that reason once held sway. Please to provide, comrade.

@ Inga
So the indomitable Charlie Sykes, authority on all things conservative who must be followed by all Right Think Leftists, said a thing?

The Leftists have every opportunity to sound reasonable by using Kathy Griffin as an example of going too far. Some on these message boards are incapable of using the MSM-approved, centrally controlled chance.

Birches said...

Wow ARM, most of those pictures are from one incident and the rest are from overseas.

Great job.

AReasonableMan said...

Matthew Sablan said...
The rest of those kind of make my point


You are truly pathetic at this. Obviously Obama was not above being vilely treated in effigy just as Trump was.

Birkel said...

@ Nyamujal
Swing and a miss. Would you like to provide specific examples?

Once written, twice... said...

Everyone should expect to see Ann write more of these "I didn't really support Trump" posts over the next few months.

Kevin said...

Key words from yesterday: broke, victim, bully, old white men, freedom.

Kathy knew Trump from before he was president. In her mind, he also "knew" her. She says crazy things on stage - I'm going to go after Barron - and no one has ever complained. She took a "provocative" photograph for the sake of generating publicity, as she's going on tour and this should raise awareness of who she is and the kind of comedy she does. Trump might not like it, but he should understand it was only meant "as a joke".

It didn't go well. She thought her apology would suffice. It didn't. People are cancelling her shows.

To what does she attribute this? Her actions? The ability of people to engage in a free market? No, she lost five shows.

Trump tweeted disapproval. She's the victim. He's the most powerful man on the planet. She's a fighter, but it's not a fair fight. Trump is out to get her. The Trump family is out to get her. Who knows what favors they're pulling in or promises they're making in order to ruin her. Trump is well connected both in the casino world and politically, and shows are being cancelled by old white men.

When asked about Anderson Cooper's negative reaction and CNN's cancellation, she changes the subject.

She took a swing at Trump and he punched back. That is how it all plays out in her version of events. Trump's unequal punch landed so hard it shattered something inside of her. She's a fighter, but she was quickly defeated and can't continue the fight.

She was not merely defeated by a superior opponent, she was broken inside the ring by an old, white man who carries way to much power to be allowed to use it against her.

She is playing to her base, whom she needs to maintain her career. Trump is the bully. She is the victim. That will sell to them.

Inga said...

"we knew from fairly early on that one did not jest about the king during the reign of Obama."

Ted Nugent: Hang Obama
obama effigy burned
Obama effigy
Obama hung

6/3/17, 10:09 AM

They still deny it ever happened.

JAORE said...

The thing that scares me the most about today's Left is the absolute abandonment of reason.

Some of the zanier campus clowns have declared logic to be a racist concept developed to hold down people of color. Same with math - where the answers are, or should be, black and white.

AReasonableMan said...

Birches said...
most of those pictures are from one incident and the rest are from overseas.


No. And 'most' is a weasel word. Why not simply acknowledge the truth?

Kevin said...

"I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows he's a fraud. They're just supporting him because he's doing a good job of pissing liberals off. After all, they think liberals are a greater threat to the country."

If he's pissing liberals off, that would make him the real deal. It's the going along to get along politicians who are the frauds.

chickelit said...

I too thought "he broke me" referred to her financials. But then there is the "butterfly on a wheel" idiom.

Never occurred to me that it was a relationship thing.

Off topic (sort of), but this comparison of Kathy Griffin and Joan Rivers really irritates me.

Bay Area Guy said...

I don't want Kathy Griffith to be fired or have her career destroyed. I really don't. This is an Alinsky-ite tactic that I hate.

She did a stupid and tasteless joke. Full stop.

Nobody was really hurt. (Well, if Baron saw it, he'd be scared)

But nobody was physically hurt.

She should apologize to Trump and his family, promise not to do it again, and then we all move on.

However, I fully understand the goose/gander problem. A Republican does something like this, he is fired, banned, ostracized, pulverized, marginalized, and denounced by everyone and his Mama.

We need to somehow restore the balance to one general standard of conduct for each side.

Matthew Sablan said...

ARM: You completely ignore the fact that the one link to an actual story was deliberately misrepresentated. The one example you provided of Nugent was actually NOT comedy, but political hyperbole about treason relating to Benghazi.

The rest? Are any of those people famous? They're random nobodies; they're contextless pictures. We don't know anything about them.

Compare that to Bush or Trump where you can find rich, influential people saying and joking and implying pretty terrible things about them and facing zero consequences (until Griffin.) Though, I guess, was it Kanye West? did pay some minor social price for saying Bush hated black people.

Mind you: I think people shouldn't pay much of a price for making fun of the president. But, well, there will need to be some readjustment post-Obama.

Once written, twice... said...

Besides that of a half hearted negative post about the "grab them by the pussy" episode, Ann did not write one negative post about Trump in 2016.

Michael said...

Although it is a great pleasure to see the hysteria of the left over these last days it is an even greater pleasure to see the DJIA at 21206. Trillions of value has appeared since the election of a pro-business POTUS. We are no longer on the stupid clown road but are veering back to pavement. The left and the MSM can go from day two of President Trump's first term claiming it was in total disarray to the present fading focus on the Russian "collaboration." The cherry on top of this splendid cake is the withdrawal from an Accord of which were never members, which would never have passed either house of Congress and the terms of which were set by each participant with no penalty for failure to comply. The crazy, and I mean crazy, progressives immediately saw the end of the earth notwithstanding there is every evidence that the US has managed its emissions over the last decades with discipline and definable results. Still, Clinton is not President, Donald J. Trump is the President of the United States, the Dow is at 21206 and the left is certifiable.

Inga said...

"She is playing to her base, whom she needs to maintain her career. Trump is the bully. She is the victim. That will sell to them."

We knew he was a bully long before Griffin. Why you people didn't, or did but loved him all the more, is your own issue. We see through Griffin and we saw through Trump.

Michael said...

ARM
Take a tour of Google Images on the topic of GWB chimpy McHitler Bush.

Hammond X. Gritzkofe said...

D List. Was, is, will be. Self identified.

Fen said...

Inga: "to not recognize the greater danger to the country"

Only in your alternate reality where Russians hacked the election. Back in the real world the greater danger is the traitors who refuse to abide by the rule of law, refuse to honor the outcome of the election, and support a coup against a duly elected President of the United States.

We have a social contract that ensured a peaceful transfer of power. If you continue to refuse to honor it, we will respond in kind when we lose. Except we won't bother with a 7 month tantrum when your candidates win the election.

"Gold will be their crowns, gold will be their shrouds" - the Witch, Game of Thrones.

Clyde said...

Once written, twice... said...
Besides that of a half hearted negative post about the "grab them by the pussy" episode, Ann did not write one negative post about Trump in 2016.


Wow, how much do you think the Russians paid Althouse for all of her glowing pro-Trump coverage last year?

Inga said...

I suspect Trump will lose followers like Althouse altogether once the shit hits the fan, but then again, she could continue to feel pity for him because... oh who knows why.

Michael said...

Bay Area Guy

No points, none, for that stance at this time in the dwindling life of our Republic. No, Griffin should have the exact fate of the CEO of Mozilla who was hounded from his job for one fuck of a lot less than this bitch. He had the audacity to contribute money to a pro-llfe cause. Bad, huh? No. No mercy for the people who have declared war on us and who are traitorous in their refusal to live with an election they lost to a clown. Fuck. Them.

Molly said...

At the election, I disagreed with Trump intellectually on a lot of policy positions: I favor freer trade and more liberal (but legal) immigration, for example.

But as a feminist, I could not stand the idea that our first woman President would be one with so few actual life accomplishments who had been elected primarily as a surrogate for her husband.

My hope for Trump (the basis of my infatuation?) was that Trump would use a whole new set of tactics in implementing his policies: based less on personal charm and trying not to offend, and more on plainspokenness and implicit threats and experiencing in successful negotiation.

Fen said...

Inga: "we saw through -"

LOL. You sound like that jackass at the bar who always KNEW which team would win AFTER the game was over, but never spoke up before.

Michael K said...

I agree with several commenters that she meant her career is ruined and she is in trouble financially.

To understand a lot of Trump voters, I think you need to reread "The Flight 93 Election, again or for the first time if you haven't read it before.

That was pretty much my motivation. I also think the left is deluding itself that the Trump voters are disappointed in what he has done, so far.

madAsHell said...

"He broke me" will become the dog whistle for those that Resist. Hillary will use it next in her Excuses Tour.

Inga said...

Wow, how much do you think the Russians paid Althouse for all of her glowing pro-Trump coverage last year?"

The Russians wouldn't have had to do a thing to get true Trumpists to follow him. He sang the music they loved to hear. As for Althouse's support of Trump, that is much more complicated.

MathMom said...

1. No tears, didn't cry.
2. Have not seen the video where Trump and his white children held her at gunpoint and demanded that she ruin her career.
3. That is all.

Birkel said...

@ Non Leftists

Do you not see that the Left is attempting political jujitsu on this issue? The people in these comments are incapable of deftness.

But the centrally directed MSM will be better when they attempt this in earnest.

Fen said...

Molly that's interesting. Not a feminist but I would like to see a woman as POTUS. And thought it would be almost blasphemous if the first was Hilary.

I think she is the most corrupt woman in American history. Can't even identify a close 2nd.

AllenS said...

What is what a horse says to a cowboy, Alex.

Birkel said...

What we see here are the initial efforts to probe the Conservative defense. Kathy Griffin is a feint in this battle.

Nyamujal said...

@Birkel

"Swing and a miss. Would you like to provide specific examples?"

"We're going to have insurance for everybody. The plan would have “lower numbers, much lower deductibles.” The “philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it”? Trump insisted that “that’s not going to happen with us” — implying that there would be universal coverage regardless of income. What’s more, people could “expect to have great health care” that would be “in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

Nope. Ain't happening.

This is a handy guide to his budget false promises: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/03/6-promises-that-president-trumps-budget-betrays.html

The clincher in the last line: "Despite all these cuts, Trump’s budget would still increase the deficit by $488 billion."

Well, that's because Mick Mulvaney can't do basic math.

Oh, and remember the Carrier plant and Trump's grand speech there?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-29/remember-when-trump-said-he-saved-1-100-jobs-at-a-carrier-plant
Well, seems like he can't do shit to stall the forces of globalization.

If you're still unconvinced, I think I have some snake oil you'd be interested in because you seem like an easy mark.

Fen said...

Birkel, I'm open to the idea that the whole thing was coordinated, but am still processing.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"... so how could there have been an emotional reservoir from which "He broke me" could spring?"

Needing repeating among much more is this.

What if you didn't pray for Buwaya and something happened?

Better to pray?

Don't make it some opposite Pascal barter.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Took me under 30 seconds to pray for Buwaya.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I could spend a lifetime reflecting why I chose to pray for this man at this moment.

A lifetime.

Michael said...

Just for old time's sake:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=976&q=chimpy+mchitler+bush&oq=chimpy+mchitler+bush&gs_l=img.3...1510.9572.0.9978.31.26.5.0.0.0.178.1096.24j1.25.0....0...1.1.64.img..1.9.317.0..0j35i39k1j0i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i24k1.BOGB2-ssRxI#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=bush+hitler

Birkel said...

@ Nyamujal
So you're saying that taking things off-book, as Reid-Pelosi-Obama did them, and placing them on-book by passing an actual budget will increase the on-book deficit? Let's compare the year-over-year increases in Debt. Obama's averaged 1.2 trillion US dollars. Trump's is projected lower. Would you like to try that argument against somebody who doesn't understand how federal accounting works? I think you'll have greater success.

Trump said there would be insurance for all. Most of the 23 million who will not have insurance would be people no longer bound by law and penalty to buy a product they do not want. Given that they are choosing not to buy a product, but could, I'm not sure how you think they aren't covered. Oh, I know! You are once again presenting a half-truth (READ: lie) for political gain.

How do you feel about yourself when you have to resort to lies to try to earn political points on a comments board?

I Callahan said...

Some of us knew Trump was a fraud from day one. What took y'all so long?

Nope, not a fraud. I know exactly what I voted for, and I'm getting it to a tee. I'm not surprised by a single thing the man has done. If he were a fraud, then he'd be doing the opposite of what he promised.

That said - Inga, as usual is confused. Because you dislike someone, or really dislike their policies, it doesn't make them a fraud. So if you're going to criticize a sitting president, please use the correct terminology.

exiledonmainstreet said...

madAsHell said...
"He broke me" will become the dog whistle for those that Resist."

Wow, what a ringing slogan! It's so inspiring - if you are a sniveling pussy hatted pajama boy.

" I also think the left is deluding itself that the Trump voters are disappointed in what he has done, so far."

6/3/17, 10:32 AM

I am still basking in the delightful reaction to Trump's common sense about the Paris agreement. Leftists blubbering how Trump has condemned them - and their grandchildren! -to death. Alas, it is not to be. Inga will not fry or drown when the Atlantic Ocean crashes in through her front window, and will continue to pee her pants over imaginary demons while ignoring the ones which actually exist.

Fen said...

Inga: "Russians paid Althouse...Trump supporters for free"

The irony is its never occured to you that you are advancing the interests of the Russians. Unwittingly and for free. Just like Comey warned about.

BTW, my handler Natasha suggested we plant a Moby to discredit the Democrats. Even budgeted $20k for one. But I told her we already had you.

Birkel said...

@ Fen

I'm not sure it's coordinated but I'm sure I have seen efforts at coordination (Journ-O-List) and I would imagine only pawns would be sacrificed this early in a game.

Kathy Griffin would be lucky to qualify as a pawn. She's highly manipulable, I assume, and would believe Leftists were behind her 100%.

Michael said...

Nyamujal

Well at least Gitmo is no more and you can keep your doctor and insurance plan at a savings of $2,500.
'''''

I Callahan said...

I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows he's a fraud. They're just supporting him because he's doing a good job of pissing liberals off. After all, they think liberals are a greater threat to the country.

And Nyamujal doubles down on the stupid.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"... so how could there have been an emotional reservoir from which "He broke me" could spring?"

Egg. Semen.

Faith.

Time.

Anybody wants to fuck with that order I will fuck with them.

AReasonableMan said...

Guildofcannonballs said...
Took me under 30 seconds to pray for Buwaya.


Do you pray for everyone when then go on vacation?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

@ Michael K

The first two paragraphs of the Clairmont article are 100% the reason that I and many others decided to vote for Trump over the RINO's clogging the field.

2016 is the Flight 93 election: charge the cockpit or you die. You may die anyway. You—or the leader of your party—may make it into the cockpit and not know how to fly or land the plane. There are no guarantees.

Except one: if you don’t try, death is certain. To compound the metaphor: a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian Roulette with a semi-auto. With Trump, at least you can spin the cylinder and take your chances.


The rest of the article is right on as well, "But it’s quite obvious that conservatives don’t believe any such thing, that they feel no such sense of urgency, of an immediate necessity to change course and avoid the cliff. .

That the people who supposedly are Conservative refuse to act in the face of what WE out in the hinterlands perceive as being a crisis, is it any wonder that WE decided to roll the dice on a person like Trump.

My warning to the elites and the liberals who are Hell bent on trying to overturn an election stands. You want to remove Trump, re-establish the status quo and piss off a lot of very pissed off voters?

Well, you don't want to see what comes next. You really really are not going to like it.

rcocean said...

"I don't want Kathy Griffith to be fired or have her career destroyed. I really don't. This is an Alinsky-ite tactic that I hate.:

Well, I DO Want to see her career destroyed. The only way to get the liberal/left to stop destroying the careers of people they don't like is to give them a taste of their own medicine. If you keep the current dynamic, it will never change.

Same thing with advertiser boycotts. Start boycotting MSNBC and maybe Soros and his buddies will back off their boycotts. Otherwise, it will never end.

Nyamujal said...
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AReasonableMan said...

Michael said...
Just for old time's sake:


You guys should really get out more.
obama hitler

AReasonableMan said...

Meanwhile in the the real world:

"Last week, in Portland, Oregon, a man with a history of white supremacist rhetoric allegedly killed two men and injured one other who had tried to stop his harassment of two young women—one black, the other wearing a hijab. A week earlier, in College Park, Maryland, another young man—active in white supremacist Facebook groups—killed a black college student after confronting him on the street, according to police. In March, a white supremacist reportedly traveled from Baltimore to New York City with the express purpose of killing a black man, which he did, before turning himself into police. Earlier that month, a Sikh man was shot and injured in front of his house in a Seattle suburb. His alleged attacker reportedly shouted “go back to your country.” Days earlier, in Kansas, authorities described how a man walked into a bar and shot three men, including two immigrants from India, after shouting “get out of my country” and yelling racial slurs. One of the Indian men, Srinivas Kuchibhotla, died of his wounds. More recently, a California man was alleged to have stabbed a black man with a machete after yelling racial slurs—he’s facing charges—and a Native American man was run down and killed by an assailant who allegedly shouted racial slurs."

rcocean said...

I don't think KG is evil - like Rosie or Sarah Silverman - she's just vulgar and stupid.

But she's now the victim and will be rehabilitated in six months.

rcocean said...

I find some much of the new jargon weird and off-putting. "He broke me" "woke" "White privilege".

Sounds like it came from people who speak English as a 2nd language.

Drago said...

It's funny watching a horribly conceived strategy by Griffin and her "braintrust" come apart so quickly.

It's almost as if the Russians, the Macedonians, a couple older white guys in a couple of downtown offices and the Strong Nuclear Force (I have recently been enlightened by the left that physics is quite misogynistic) conspired against her.

If Comey makes a public announcement about this then you know the fix was in.

Perhaps a completely spontaneous, totally non-rehearsed or choreographed "Woodsy Walking Tour" where Kathy "inadvertantly" encounters loving admirers who want nothing more than to publicly relate how truly warm and human-like Kathy really is could be arranged.

Even better, a completely spontaneous and loving moment captured by intrepid reporters who somehow elude a large professional security apparatus to snap a photo of Kathy dancing "romantically" on the beach wrapped in an American flag with a vagina/Earth-first hat and snuggling "young" (35 yr old) Islamic immigrant "dreamer" from Somalia.

You've got to really noodle these things out and plan your contingencies accordingly.

I Callahan said...

Take a tour of Google Images on the topic of GWB chimpy McHitler Bush.

You forgot Halliburton...

AReasonableMan said...

While Althouse and the right wing gets it knickers in a twist over a D-list celebrity:

19 instances of right-wing terrorist attacks causing 51 fatalities since September 11, 2001.

The 2017 stabbing of Timothy Caughman in New York City (1 killed),
The 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting (3 killed),
The 2015 Charleston church shooting (9 killed),
The 2014 ambush attack on Las Vegas police officers (5 killed),
The 2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting in Kansas (3 killed),
The 2014 Pennsylvania State Police barracks attack in Blooming Grove, Pennsylvania (1 killed),
A 2012 tri-state killing spree by white supremacists, David Pedersen and Holly Grigsby (4 killed),
A 2012 ambush of St. John the Baptist Parish, Louisiana police (2 killed),
The 2012 Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting (6 killed),
The 2011 FEAR group attacks (3 killed),
A murder in 2010 in Carlisle, Pennsylvania (1 killed),
A 2010 suicide attack by airplane in Austin, Texas (1 killed),
The 2009 shooting of Pittsburgh police officers (3 killed),
The 2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting (1 killed),
The 2009 assassination of George Tiller (1 killed),
The 2009 murders of Raul and Brisenia Flores in Pima County, Arizona (2 killed),
The 2009 murders in Brockton, Massachusetts (2 killed),
The 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting (2 killed),
And the 2004 bank robbery in Tulsa, Oklahoma (1 killed).

rhhardin said...

and a Native American man was run down and killed by an assailant who allegedly shouted racial slurs.

A similar thing showed in AP long ago and I reflected that I didn't know any Indian racial slurs.

Hey wampum-nose is all I could invent.

Darrell said...

"He broke me" was cooked up by the same type of idiot that came up with a YouTube video being the cause of Benghazi and Egypt debacles. The Press ran with that one for months with out ever even noting that it was the biggest intentional lie ever sold the American people--- one from the "squeaky clean" Obama Administration.

Birkel said...

@ ARM

So you're saying its not just deranged Leftist participating in riots, posing as anti fascists, who will react violently to politics? I seem to remember a bunch of people warning that the result of the increasing attacks by the Left would be met. I remember a bunch of Leftists saying the people making warnings were crazy conspiracy theorists.

As somebody who has been warning about the destruction of institutions from within, by Leftists, I cannot feign surprise.

I Callahan said...

I also think the left is deluding itself that the Trump voters are disappointed in what he has done, so far.

They most certainly are deluding themselves. I guess it's plain old wishful thinking.

I know a fair share of Trump voters - from ones who were staunchly on his side, to those who held their nose and pulled the lever - and I've heard from none of them that they regret their vote. In fact, those in the latter category are more confident of their choice now, precisely because of the media, entertainment and establishment jihad against the president.

Lefties, I'll warn you now: You're going to get more Trump until you can prove that you're responsible and adult enough to explain why he's wrong for the country. Right now, you're proving you're who is wrong for the country.

Fen said...

What Callahan said. Most of us expected to be grimacing for the next 4 years while repeating to ourselves "at least it's not Hillary at least it's not Hillary". But I've been impressed with his leadership and I love that he fights.

When I heard he was pulling us out of the Paris Accord I literally cheered. As if Favre had found the endzone with 2 seconds left. And then as icing, he's turned the Left into hysterical nutjobs. Delicious tears every day, going on 7 months.

So Trump is performing well above expectations.

Nyamujal said...

@Birkel

"Most of the 23 million who will not have insurance would be people no longer bound by law and penalty to buy a product they do not want....How do you feel about yourself when you have to resort to lies to try to earn political points on a comments board?"

Hey, So I'll have access to world class insurance but if it costs me $100,000 a year if I have a pre-existing condition or lack continuous coverage, can I really access it? BTW, the premiums will also increase, in some cases to unsustainable levels, under AHCA. This sort of mental jujitsu where the "freedom" to access a product implies guaranteed delivery is the sort of dumb lies that you fall for again, and again, and again.

AReasonableMan said...

rhhardin said...
I reflected that I didn't know any Indian racial slurs.


Reflection is good but here's some backup when you are next at loss to know how to insult a native American while running them over.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Dose dem dare still waters run deep.

rhhardin said...

Right wing terrorist attacks, don't forget the Tea Party members knocking down a man suffering from Parkinsons disease, covered in TV news in God Bless America (2011).

Nice acting, but a plot too nonsensical.

Nyamujal said...

@Birkel
"So you're saying that taking things off-book, as Reid-Pelosi-Obama did them, and placing them on-book by passing an actual budget will increase the on-book deficit? Let's compare the year-over-year increases in Debt. Obama's averaged 1.2 trillion US dollars. Trump's is projected lower. Would you like to try that argument against somebody who doesn't understand how federal accounting works? I think you'll have greater success."

Projected? Are you applying dynamic scoring and optimistic growth estimates which are the mathematical equivalent of magic pixie dust? I'm sorry but I call BS on your ninja federal accounting skills.

I Callahan said...

ARM - why are you flailing? Is there some argument you're trying to make? Are you saying that Obama got as bad, if not worse, than Trump is getting now?

If that's your argument, make it, instead of bringing up easily shot-down narratives (like that laundry list above).

Yancey Ward said...

Althouse wrote:

"Let's get more cuttingly analytical about the "guy thing" you have with Trump. It's relationships, even when guys do it."

Maybe, but it is a far different kind of relationship for a man. Indeed, I wouldn't even call it a relationship if it were me- more like one would have with a contract killer. And Trump is fucking brilliant at that job.

tcrosse said...

19 instances of right-wing terrorist attacks causing 51 fatalities since September 11, 2001.

Sounds like a quiet Saturday night in Chicago.

rhhardin said...

when you are next at loss to know how to insult a native American

I generally point out that everything about Indian culture is risible. That only gets the activists and the leftists, though.

Birkel said...

@ Nyamujal

Can you call it insurance if a primary care physician will not accept you as a patient? You should wonder what doctors -- the people who provide care, contra what the government tells you -- are doing with Medicare and Obamacare patients.

Paying for a thing you cannot use because government threatens penalty is fun for boys and girls.

Grab your carry on.

Drago said...

Meanwhile in the real "real" world: 11 people viciously murdered in Long Island alone in 2017 thus far by the left's believed MS 13 "dreamers" that the left enthusiastically imported despite knowing they MS 13 members.

You might wonder why that is.

The short answer is that the Islamic killers the left wants imported in massive numbers aren't killing people quickly enough so the left was "throwing more people" at that lower than desired murder rate "problem".

Success!


Birkel said...

@ Nyajumal

You are out of your depth. You want to compare deficits because more than half of the increase in debt under Obama was due to the one-time stimulus that was carried forward due to the 1974 Budget Reconciliation Act that mandates year-over-year increases in budgets if no new federal budget is passed.

Compare apples to apples.

Year-over-year debt increases under Obama were about 1.2 trillion.

Yancey Ward said...

Original Mike:

"Maybe the head thing was a setup to attack Trump when he went all medieval on her. Trump didn't take the bait but Griffin had no choice but to procede with the next stage of the plan. The result is behavior from Griffin that doesn't appear to make sense."

I think you are likely onto something here.

AReasonableMan said...

I Callahan said...
ARM


Trump is a grown man who made his reputation by dishing it out. Now all these zeta males running around whining just seem pathetic.

I can guarantee that all the Republicans he steamrolled during the primaries could give a fuck about anything that is said about Trump.

Man up.

Guildofcannonballs said...



It broke up him, just to hear it.

As I told all y'all, it's the same old song.

The Four Tops had it pegged.

Nyamujal said...

@Michael

"Well at least Gitmo is no more and you can keep your doctor and insurance plan at a savings of $2,500. "

Good point. But to be fair, GITMO prisoner relocation was DOA after he signed the executive order in 2009. He did receive considerable pushback from congress.

Darrell said...

I found it surprising that all of Althouse's Lefties were speaking with one voice against Baron Trump being horrified at seeing his daddy killed. Surprising. What are the odds? And it was going on all over the Web, too. Makes one believe in miracles, it does.

Kevin said...

How can @Drago miss this classic reference?

Ivan Drago: I must break you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU

Drago said...

ARM: "I can guarantee that all the Republicans he steamrolled during the primaries could give a fuck about anything that is said about Trump."

Yes, well I'd like to see the terms of said "guarantee".

Lol

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Maybe the head thing was a setup to attack Trump when he went all medieval on her. Trump didn't take the bait but Griffin had no choice but to proceed with the next stage of the plan. The result is behavior from Griffin that doesn't appear to make sense."

That's a smart take.

Drago said...

Kevin: "How can @Drago miss this classic reference?

Ivan Drago: I must break you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygQvB6OjHOU"

Oh, I didn't "miss it" at all given that character was the genesis of my screen name lo those many years ago.

Also because Macedonia. And older white guys. And that damn DNC crappy data!

rcocean said...

"That the people who supposedly are Conservative refuse to act in the face of what WE out in the hinterlands perceive as being a crisis, is it any wonder that WE decided to roll the dice on a person like Trump."

The fact that these so-called conservative #nevertrumpers didn't give a damn about the control of the SCOTUS showed me they weren't conservative at all.

We've dodged a bullet when we got a 5th Republican on the Court. If Hillary had gotten elected we'd have a Kagan-Ginsburg dominated SCOTUS, and Appeals courts packed with left-wing wackos. The damage that would inflict on the USA for the next 10 years would've been incalculable.

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
Meanwhile in the real "real" world: 11 people viciously murdered in Long Island


Amongst all the nonsense here this is a fair point. The cops and ICE should root out all these fuckers and lock them up. There is no excuse for having these losers in the US.

3rdGradePB_GoodPerson said...

"Out: Woke
In: Broke"

The really cool kids will be broken and poor: Broke AF

Drago said...

Exiled: "That's a smart take."

Absolutely, given the speed of Griffens "counter response" which called out "response" activities that did not occur but we're clearly expected.

Not exactly "swift on her feet" which also goes for KG's "advisors".

Lol

I Callahan said...

Trump is a grown man who made his reputation by dishing it out. Now all these zeta males running around whining just seem pathetic. I can guarantee that all the Republicans he steamrolled during the primaries could give a fuck about anything that is said about Trump.
Man up.


This isn't about Trump dishing it out or taking it; it's about whatever point you're trying to make. No one here is whining about how unfair it all is - you are. I'm just trying to find out why.

Seeing Red said...

Broke Woke WhatEVAH!

I NEVER looked at any president as boyfriend material.

Ever. It's a ewwwwww factor since I was never into older or old men.

I don't care about whether they wear tighty-whiteys.

My concern is would they help or hinder?

The former rapist-in-chief was slime, but since he was the 1st boomer pres, he got a pass, he's our slime!

AReasonableMan said...

Drago said...
Yes, well I'd like to see the terms of said "guarantee".


It is a personal warranty. If the product in question fails for any reason you have one free pass to hang Obama in effigy (no immolation).

Drago said...

ARM: "Amongst all the nonsense here this is a fair point. The cops and ICE should root out all these fuckers and lock them up. There is no excuse for having these losers in the US."

Whoa. You are veering dangerously close to understanding why Trump was elected and common Sense policy conclusions.

This will not do and it's likely to enrage Inga.

rcocean said...

The Left-wing flip-flop:

Clinton: Don't attack Chelsea - kids are off limits!
Bush: Hey, those Bush girls sure a couple of sluts aren't they? Haha
Obama: Don't attack his girls - kids are off limits!
Trump: Hey, Barron sure is autistic & the daughter is fucking Trump. Haha.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Drago said...
Oh, I didn't "miss it" at all given that character was the genesis of my screen name lo those many years ago."

Inga's on to you, you know.

Original Mike said...

"That's a smart take."

That's the only way I can make sense of Griffin's behavior. Not that human beings are always rational.

Drago said...

ARM: "If the product in question fails for any reason you have one free pass to hang Obama in effigy (no immolation)."

It is a poor business person who so thoroughly fails to understand the factors driving a purchasing decision and thus fails to construct a viable value proposition to achieve market success.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Bush: Hey, those Bush girls sure a couple of sluts aren't they? Haha"

Stephen King said he wanted to see the Bush girls waterboarded.

Brookzene said...

"This is what happens when your ideology is based on feelz rather than reason.

The thing that scares me the most about today's Left is the absolute abandonment of reason."

Not picking on whoever said this, they're no worse than almost anyone else here. But this is funny. If Althouse commenters are indicative, there ain't no reason in Trump country. Not unless you're an Iago hellbent on revenge and destruction and using a "reasoned" step-by-step process to get it.

Drago said...

Exiled: "Inga's on to you, you know."

Ingas "on to" alot of things.

Imaginary things.

In her own head.

But as long as "Google" and "cut and paste" functionality exist, she will always be an "eloquent" advocate for what others posit.

Lol

Drago said...

Brookzene: "If Althouse commenters are indicative, there ain't no reason in Trump country. "

If anti-Trump Althouse commenters are indicative, there ain't no reason in Anti-Trump country.

FIFY.

I Callahan said...

If Althouse commenters are indicative, there ain't no reason in Trump country. Not unless you're an Iago hellbent on revenge and destruction and using a "reasoned" step-by-step process to get it.

Apparently, Brookzene's definition of reason is a bit different than mine. I'd be tickled to hear his definition.

AReasonableMan said...

I Callahan said...
No one here is whining about how unfair it all is - you are.


I am not complaining about how unfair it is. I think Trump has asked for everything he has gotten and then some. He moved all the boundaries and now we are all finding out where the new ones lie. It is a trial and error process. Apparently mistreating effigies of Trump is out of line, where once there had been a long tradition of this kind of thing. Apparently we now all belong to the pussy nation. Arguably right wingers are guilty of cultural appropriation from the left wing pussies.

Inga said...

As I said yesterday evening on the other Griffin thread, she's trolling you.

Blogger Inga said...
I think Griffin and her attorney are trolling you people and you're falling for it.

6/2/17, 5:54 PM
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Blogger Known Unknown said...
"I think Griffin and her attorney are trolling you people and you're falling for it."

To what end?

6/2/17, 7:24 PM
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Blogger Inga said...
"To what end?"

I'm just guessing here, but maybe to incite you Trumpists to become deranged with blood lust.

6/2/17, 7:26 PM

Bill Peschel said...

tcrosse wrote: My prediction: Colbert will have KG on soon, and the studio audience will give her a standing ovation.

And as I said earlier, People magazine will have her on the cover, praising her recovery and rebounding career.

Birkel said...

@ Brookzene: "...no reason in Trump country."

1. We live in different countries? Or we are all country bumpkins, who supported Trump over Hillary? Quit othering me.

2. Is it logical to oppose unskilled labor entering this country to lessen the possibilities of American-born unskilled labor improving their respective lots in this country? I want low-skilled and unskilled Americans to have a chance to improve their respective futures.

3. Is it logical to want a rule of law that applies without respect to who, whom?

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Drago said...

ARM: "He moved all the boundaries and now we are all finding out where the new ones lie."

The left moved all the boundaries over the last 50 years and Trump is a response.

History did not begin in 2016 though I recognize that is a blasphemous assertion to the Revisionist Left. Old habits die hard for them.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Not unless you're an Iago hellbent on revenge and destruction and using a "reasoned" step-by-step process to get it."

I'd say our modern day Iago is whoever is behind the suspiciously well funded black clad "protesters" who showed up in Ferguson, in Chicago, in Berkeley, in DC on Inauguration Day...Some might be dim college students, but others are pros.

Drago said...

Inga: "I'm just guessing here, but maybe to incite you Trumpists to become deranged with blood lust."

That can't be as the left has already demonstrated a high level of affinity for those who demonstrate actual, not fake, bloodlust.

Again, the only way for conservatives to gain lefty support would be to start lopping off heads, kidnapping girls for sexual slavery, cutting off female genitalia and tossing gays off of roofs.

'cuz that's what it takes to get the lefties in your side.

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