October 22, 2016

"White privilege and elitism are on the ballot. It's not just about defeating Trump...."

"[W]e need to defeat not just Trump, but whatever it is he springs from; the dying dinosaurs that exist in this country who miss the old way where the white man was going to run the show. Last month, we just got the second year in a row where the majority of kindergarteners in school in this country were not white.  So welcome to the new America.... [Trump is] the natural extension of everything that [Republicans] have believed in for the last 30 years. And it's like the gene pool has got more and more depleted and you end up in a science fiction show like the one we're in with this creature. It's like somebody went to Dr. Frankenstein last year and said, 'I need a candidate who is the embodiment of every awful male trait, every awful white man trait and every awful rich guy trait and roll that all into one candidate.['] In a way, it's a gift. It does become a referendum. He literally is a representative for each of these things that we've been seeing a gradual end to. The times have changed. The days of these dinosaurs are over. It's got to be hard on them. Nobody likes to give up power. We've been in charge for about 10,000 years, so it's a long run. We had a great streak."

Said Michael Moore (talking to Rolling Stone).

139 comments:

tim in vermont said...

Sure. Next we re-implement all of those ideas that have failed the world over, right MM? Maybe we can turn this country into a prison state, like your darling Cuba? Venezuela has worked out great too! But it's not issues on the ballot! It's race!

David Begley said...

Michael Moore is a lunatic. Good thing no one reads the fully discredited, wholly irrelevant - and soon to be bankrupt - Rolling Stone.

rhhardin said...

What makes Americans American is belief in Amerincan rules, not origin, race, party, flag, anthem or even citizenship.

That's not the establishment of either party, any longer.

Larry J said...

What about Hillary's priviledge? She's white, rich, and unaccountable to the law. She's more priviledged than almost anyone.

Humperdink said...

I excerpted the quote for clarity: "who is the embodiment of every awful male trait, every awful white man trait and every awful rich guy trait?"

Why none other than the blubbering fool himself, Michael Moore.

Rob said...

Here's what to watch for. Until the election, a vote for Hillary is a renunciation of Trump's offenses against democracy, his misogyny, his lack of presidential temperament. After the election, the size of the vote for Hillary will be treated as a mandate for her programs and her agenda. Depend on it.

M Jordan said...

I still think Moore secretly likes Trump. Moore began his career as a populist defending the working class man. He lives in Traverse City, Michigan and mingles with this dinosaur breed. He actually likes the old white guys he derides here.

But Trump, of course, is anathema to the left and Moore has committed to the progressive left. So he must say these things. I sense a conflicted man, a white man for that matter.

EDH said...

And there's nothing I could add to the cacophony that would make it any worse than attacking the parents of a soldier who died in Iraq.

In my estimation, lying to the faces of Gold Star parents to deflect your responsibility for the the death of four Americans while in front of their coffins on the tarmac is "worse" than answering the attack of two Gold Star parents issued forth from the podium at the Democratic National Convention, especially where you had no responsibility whatsoever for his death.

Bruce Hayden said...

Huh? Woman grew up in a house bigger than most of us lived in back then, in a nice neighborhood. She now terrorizes everyone who works for her. When she was at State, apparently,their senior security refused to work with her, because of how badly she treated them, and, thus, she got the rookies. Expect that the Secret Service is the same. Same rules of no eye contact, don't engage her in conversation. Etc. She won't compliment them for a job well done, but rather, just scream at them for screw ups, even if they are hers. Entitled? And, I remember Trump calling out his Secret Service detail after the Republican convention, and thanking them, along with other LEOs, the construction people who put the stage together, etc. Is this something that Crooked Hillary would ever do? Of course not. Of course, even though Trump is good with his staff (and Clinton is horrible), probably none have been as good as George W. Bush in recent history, who knew all the staffs' names, about their families, etc.

Achilles said...

There's is an entire world out there run by people like Michael Moore. The US is, or was, unique in history as a place where you were able to be truly free. No longer. We were the second country in the world to end slavery and we had to kill hundreds of thousands of democrats to accomplish that.

The progressives hate freedom. They created slavery and now they have created an education system and an aristocracy that robs people of hope. They have purposely ruined the lives and opportunities of the non white people in this country. Once they rob them of hope they use them as an angry mob. Now they are making the ability to be free an issue of race to destroy it. They have destroyed every city they get control of. States like California and Illinois are falling apart out of the corruption they create.

We have been nice about this for a long long time. We have always known what these almost monolithicly white people have wanted all along. But Hillary is a step too far.

Quayle said...

The one thing most revealing of the absolute thoughtlessness and lack of awareness of Moore and people espousing similar delusions, is that it has never occured to them that if they truly lived in the actual America they imagine, they would have been silenced, run out, or "disappeared" long ago.

Perhaps it is part of pride and self righteousness to believe they've 'fought back hard back' * to overcome and overturn the absolute ruthless iron hand of those they claim have totally dominated and continue to America and its culture.

* bonus points for you, Ann, if you can cite to from where this comes.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

Sounds like Michael Moore welcomes our new insect overlords.

Clayton Hennesey said...

Michael Moore is no Hunter S. Thompson.

Hagar said...

"... the embodiment of every awful male trait, every awful white man trait and every awful rich guy trait?

If you disregard the skin color, not a bad description of Barack Obama.

And but for her sex, also Hillary!, but then perhaps we can identify her as of the male gender even if she does not.

Darrell said...

Hillary IS white privilege. Note the pantsuit.

Bob Boyd said...

"It's like somebody went to Dr. Frankenstein..."

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152115888936/the-crook-versus-the-monster

MadisonMan said...

What Darrell said. How on Earth is electing Hillary a defeat for White Privilege?

Michael Moore just doesn't know logic.

Darrell said...

Hillary is browning America by having her campaign buses dump shit in the streets. And the other way.

AprilApple said...

So MM's answer is a corrupt South American-style leftist dictator in the shape of an old white woman?

yeah! no dinosaurs there- no no.

Darrell said...

The UN is looking for unlimited flow of immigrants. Obama brags that Democrats control all the voting machines.

Gahrie said...

White male privilege?

You mean the privilege of being the only person legally discriminated against?

Darrell said...

Trump is not the hero we want, he is the hero we need.

tim in vermont said...

You can tell Hillary is the white power candidate by the stuff in Wikileaks:

Note: Sources include Western intelligence, US intelligence and sources in the region.

1. With all of its tragic aspects, the advance of ISIL through Iraq gives the U.S. Government an opportunity to change the way it deals with the chaotic security situation in North Africa and the Middle East. The most important factor in this matter is to make use of intelligence resources and Special Operations troops in an aggressive manner, while avoiding the old school solution, which calls for more traditional military operations.
- email from HRC.

So she is sharing intelligence that his highly likely classified with her campaign manager, first off. Who wrote the words is not identified, but I am betting it was Sid Blumenthal, he of the $10K a month job at the "Clinton Foundation." I don't think either one of those guys had formal clearance.

But never mind... So the lesson HRC drew from Iraq was that our tactics were wrong, not the goal, not overthrowing a sovereign leader, but the tactics. Which explains her moves as Secretary of State in Libya and Syria.

I had a long argument IRL with a died in the wool Democrat the other day. This guy works in campaigns. He said I had to vote for Hillary rather than third party because Trump was too dangerous. I actually got him to shut up for a minute and think when I told him about the ads for Johnson in the 60's showing Goldwater, a flower and a nuclear explosion, I pointed out that after Johnson scared everybody away from Goldwater, over the nuke scare issue, he dragged us into Viet Nam.

I mean, it is so unlikely that Hillary would drag us into a war, isn't it!

But let's talk about how the Republicans are all racists!

Paul Snively said...

Republicans don't have a problem with people who aren't white. Republicans have a problem with anyone who claims to be American, but gives strong indications that by "American," they mean "someone who wants the benefits of being here while subverting the system that made those benefits possible," which happens to largely be a northern Enlightenment European system, particularly strongly influenced by Scottish and English political and economic philosophy. In other words, it's not about race; it's about culture.

The real problem is that culture is highly correlated with race. "Inner city blacks" aren't often problematic because their skin is black, but because the culture is often (self-)destructive. Some inner-city blacks rise above that culture—often by "acting white."

As for Michael Moore, I confess to having bought his "Roger and Me" schtick. I had this crazy idea that "Documentary" meant "truthful." But then I learned that Moore and Roger Smith did meet, and the film's chronology was deceptively edited, establishing a pattern of lying that has been Moore's stock in trade ever since.

What's most tragic is the cynicism it breeds. Now you say "Documentary," and I hear "Propaganda."

Darrell said...

Everyone votes for Trump. Measure voter fraud by how many votes Hillary receives.

Bob Boyd said...

When Moore started out (Roger and Me) these "dinosaurs" weren't "white men", they were were workers and he was on their side against the big corporation.

The election of Hillary will be corporatism's greatest triumph.

Michael Moore has had his head so far up his own ass for so long, if he pulled it out now, the fresh air would kill him.

robother said...

Michael Moore is the white kid living in his parents basement, cheering while the black rioters burn down his parents' home. His whole success is possible only in the open, rule of law culture that only evolved in Northwestern Europe over the last 1000 years. (Even Orthodox Europe never got there, witness Russia.)

Does he imagine that his kind of dissent would be permitted (much less rewarded) in China, Russia, the Muslim Middle East, Africa India or East Asia? Really, he almost seems a Louis XV, gloating in "Apre moi, le deluge."

Darrell said...

Michael Moore put his head so far up his ass he turned inside out years ago.

Bob Boyd said...

"Michael Moore put his head so far up his ass he turned inside out years ago."

Wait...would that work?

chickelit said...

Pointing out our hispanic future is not going to win the African American vote, Michael. They don't hate whitey that much.

MayBee said...

I don't think it's about color for most people. I think it is about a change in culture that many people don't see as for the better. Like the push to change pronouns, the violent protests that we've had in the past few years. And let's face it, the push for mandated diversity can be a very good thing, but it also by definition means if you fall on the wrong side of the diversity push it isn't you getting the job. The same reason out-groups push for mandated diversity is the exact same reason someone "white" may push against it. Because it hurts *them*.

And what frustrates people- what Michael Moore once knew- is that the people at the top making the decisions and the recommendations don't have to live with any of the consequences. They will always have their several homes and their kids' private university acceptances and their trips to London where they can talk about how embarrassing people who support Trump are.

Where in John Podesta's emails is an email from just a normal person?

mccullough said...

As Europe decays, their best people are going to come to the US. It'll be the 1800s all over again.

Paddy O said...

Vote against the elite, white person!

Oh, wait... now I'm confused. Moore is trying to use his privileged elite position to influence my vote, and I'm supposed to vote against the person whose life of privilege and power lead them away from understanding the realities of life.

I think Moore is telling me not to vote for anyone, but I can't tell.

rhhardin said...

I'm for personalized adjectives.

Humperdink said...

"Michael Moore put his head so far up his ass he turned inside out years ago."

The media is so far up Hillary's rectal cavity they could brush her teeth.

rhhardin said...

Does a non-cisgendered person prefer blond or blonde? It's never tabulated with the pronouns.

Then there's brunet and brunette.

Rob McLean said...

When a white man attacks White Men as a group, he really means "White men except me and my buddies".

MayBee said...

This is one more reason I think our eternal political campaigns are hurting us a society.
There is nowhere else in our society where it is ok to talk so much as if another racial group is an "other". But that is what political posturing and reporting is all about. The black vote, the black community, the women's vote, the Hispanic issues. We are separated and pitted against each other. And we are supposed to think that doesn't bleed into society?

And when we talk about black issues, hispanic issues, women's issues- and focus on them- isn't there a group that isn't being represented in the debate? How do they push back, and get included, without then having to hear "Oh look, it's white men looking for 'white issues'- that's white priviledge!"

It's doing nothing but tearing the country apart. And it's all manipulated anyway.
You know, now that Trump is running and losing college educated and married white women- it's the first time this group (my group) is even included in the political group of "women". We hear Romney won this group-- but at the time it was all about "The War on Women" and how women were against Romney.

Michael K said...

Moore is an interesting example of a person who seems to be consumed with rage against almost everyone.

He even has had an ugly divorce from his wife. From the photos it seems they were well matched.

mockturtle said...

Canadians love Michael Moore. 'Nuff said.

Paddy O said...

The irony is that we're electing someone for literally the most elite privileged position of power in the country. So, by getting elected they are inherently in need of dismissing.

Terry said...

Hasn't Moore said this about every GOP candidate since 1980?
In Michael Moore's films, there is only one privileged point of view. Can you guess who it belongs to?

tcrosse said...

Love trumps Trump-hatred.

buwaya puti said...

The reason you have a permanent political campaign is that the stakes are so high. There simply is so much money riding on the result and process that there can be no restraints.

Darrell said...

However the Democrats fuck up the United States, they'll have enclaves, somewhere, for the people that count.

gbarto said...

What I find striking is we were supposed to feel sorry for these people when Roger Smith destroyed their livelihoods. He always showed some scorn as well. Voice for the poor my ass.

Darrell said...

Hillary supports the corporatists and globalists and Michael Moore supports Hillary. Times change and Soros smiles.

cubanbob said...

White privilege is on the ballot? Who knew? Well in that case I'm definitely voting for it. Why would I want to give it up? You can rest assure any white man without any money, smarts or needed skills isn't going to be privileged if he moved to Mexico, China, Kenya or Indonesia among others. Michael Moore is welcome to give up his money and his white privilege at any time of his choosing.

JaimeRoberto said...

I'm so glad we've stopped judging people by the color of their skin and started judging them by the color of their skin instead.

J. Farmer said...

What a perfect encapsulation of the self-loathing, masochistic white male liberal. Modern western progressivism has become little more than a sustained attack on whites and the civilizations they've created. Of course, he also perfectly embodies they typical do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocritical limousine liberal. When it comes to buying a home, I can only guess why the Michigan-native chose 97% white Torch Lake to 80% black Detroit.

Big Mike said...

We did have a great streak. Old white men like Ron Reagan and G. H. W. Bush won the cold war -- I note that the present occupant of the White House seems bent on restarting it, and that the Democrat candidate to replace him displays a personal animosity towards the incumbent President of Russia and seems bent on continuing the current trends towards restarting the cold war, if not a nuclear exchange. But the sitting President of the United States and his likely successor are not old white men, so the threat of nuclear war is okay, I guess.

Who knew that "reset" meant going back to the days when kids were taught "duck and cover"?

We've never had an economy this bad this long, but stock prices are high on Wall Street and who cares how many people want work but have given up looking for it? Besides, the President is not an old white man so it's all good. And his likely successor loves her that Wall Street and is much loved in return.

The incumbent President of the United States inherited two wars, one of which was essentially won and the other arguably still winnable. Now we are engaged in six wars (that we know about), if we include Yemen, where we're "merely" lobbing missiles back at Houti rebels who are firing on our Navy vessels. But he's not an old white man, so it's all good.

J. Farmer said...

@Big Mike:

As much as I loathe nearly all of Obama's foreign policy decision, the roots were sewn by his predecessor in the massive overreaction to 9/11. As I used to be fond of saying over a decade ago, the most striking thing about Bush's neoconservatism was how unconservative it is. I guess I could've added it also isn't "neo," since it was merely a continuation of all the same dumb progressive idealism that led Wilson to his catastrophic decision to drag the country into the First World War, easily the single worst foreign policy decision the US ever made.

damikesc said...

This is one more reason I think our eternal political campaigns are hurting us a society.

Couldn't agree more. I'm fucking tired of politics all the damned time. I want to not have to think about how the government is fucking up today. I'd like an escape. And the Progs are so damned determined to insure that there is no escape.

And when we talk about black issues, hispanic issues, women's issues- and focus on them- isn't there a group that isn't being represented in the debate? How do they push back, and get included, without then having to hear "Oh look, it's white men looking for 'white issues'- that's white priviledge!"

Thing is, I'd contemplate entertaining this shit-on-stilts as a cogent argument if there even a modicum of consistency. Using the logic of the Left, my two boys have MORE advantages in life than Obama's daughters. Does anybody not find this logic mind-bogglingly stupid?

It's like "cultural appropriation". Why is it "offensive" for me to wear a sombrero and NOT offensive for a minority to drive a car. White folks made cars. Planes also. Do minorities refuse to use them because of cultural appropriation? No. Never once. And we sit back and let them basically claim that white people have no culture at all worth preserving when, bluntly, the majority of useful shit in the world came from us.

I'll forego everything blacks invented if they forego everything whites invented. Otherwise, they're full of shit. They are living comfortable lives on the backs of my people who did the hard work to develop this society.

It's basically turning whites like me into "racists". You want to blame me for all of the world's problems? Then let's take a look at what your group brings to the table. Blacks sold their own brethren as slaves to whites. Can anybody explain that? Has anybody tried? Does Africa owe "former slaves" anything?

Moore is an interesting example of a person who seems to be consumed with rage against almost everyone.

Read on how the fervently pro-union Moore treated his employees who tried to unionize.

When it comes to buying a home, I can only guess why the Michigan-native chose 97% white Torch Lake to 80% black Detroit.

It is amazing how much these progressives who bemoan how unfairly blacks are treated by police live in the enclaves where the residents expect and demand that exact sort of treatment.

damikesc said...

We did have a great streak. Old white men like Ron Reagan and G. H. W. Bush won the cold war -- I note that the present occupant of the White House seems bent on restarting it, and that the Democrat candidate to replace him displays a personal animosity towards the incumbent President of Russia and seems bent on continuing the current trends towards restarting the cold war, if not a nuclear exchange.

At least McCarthy was worried about Communists overall (not just Russians) infiltrating our government. Hillary just wants to make Putin her bĂȘte noire because he thinks Obama is a lightweight non-entity. You know, like Barack actually is.

How did we go from "Russia is not our geo-political foe" to "their are our top priority"? Iran is a way bigger concern, but Obama can't blow them enough.

As much as I loathe nearly all of Obama's foreign policy decision, the roots were sewn by his predecessor in the massive overreaction to 9/11.

I thought Afghanistan was necessary, but still being there is counter-productive. I thought Iraq was a noble mission but also not worth the blood.

What is our issue in Syria? We can side with one horrendous group...or a different equally horrendous group. There's no plus to us even being there. I hate that Russia has invaded Ukraine, but we can't be asked to pull Europe's bacon out of the pan all of the time. They HAVE to do something on their own.

led Wilson to his catastrophic decision to drag the country into the First World War, easily the single worst foreign policy decision the US ever made.

Felt I was one of the few who felt that. Germany was bad and all --- but that was a war that really had nothing to do with us. If Mexico invaded, we could smack them back easily enough.

Darrell said...

If Mexico invaded, we could smack them back easily enough.

If?
The number is 60-100 million since the last amnesty, depending upon who's doing the lying. Extrapolate that out fifty years.

Matthew Blaine said...

The United States won't be the United States anymore when we have the demographics of Sao Paolo. And regressive leftists like Moore think that's hilarious.

n.n said...

Class diversity politics. The progression from denying intrinsic value to denying individual dignity (i.e. judgment by "color of skin"). Pro-Choice is a quasi-religion that is selective and opportunistic, unprincipled and unpredictable.

Michael K said...

progressives who bemoan how unfairly blacks are treated by police live in the enclaves where the residents expect and demand that exact sort of treatment.

It's not just white Progressives. Reverend Wright built his new house in a white suburb of Chicago, not among the brethren.

Funny how that works.

Paddy O said...

So, I was at an academic theology conference this weekend. It was a progressive oriented set of presentations, which I'm used to, and there were some good insights and great scholarship on display. Of course there were the obligatory slights to Trump and Trump supporters as well. What was interesting was a Cuban theologian talking about de-colonialism, etc. Along the way he made two interesting points. One, how bad NAFTA is for the people of Latin America, and how Trump is opposed to NAFTA actually is better for the people. Second, that the mass immigration of people to the US means a huge loss of the most productive, industrious people from Latin America, and that losing these people is a major problem. He said these things and added what seemed a bit to be an ironic shrug, as if Trump is of course the unacceptable candidate no matter what.

MayBee said...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

This is so good.
This is the kind of thing Michael Moore used to think.

mockturtle said...

The United States won't be the United States anymore when we have the demographics of Sao Paolo. And regressive leftists like Moore think that's hilarious.

This is the way my brother thinks. These people really loathe America and want to enable its downfall.

Michael K said...

the mass immigration of people to the US means a huge loss of the most productive, industrious people from Latin America, and that losing these people is a major problem.

If Castro had been overthrown early, Cuba might be the Switzerland of the western hemisphere. Look at Miami.

MayBee said...

An excerpt:

"But Trump is objectively a piece of shit!" you say. "He insults people, he objectifies women, and cheats whenever possible! And he's not an everyman; he's a smarmy, arrogant billionaire!"

Wait, are you talking about Donald Trump, or this guy:

(picture of Tony Stark/Ironman)

You've never rooted for somebody like that? Someone powerful who gives your enemies the insults they deserve? Somebody with big fun appetites who screws up just enough to make them relatable? Like Dr. House or Walter White? Or any of the several million renegade cop characters who can break all the rules because they get shit done? Who only get shit done because they don't care about the rules?

"But those are fictional characters!" Okay, what about all those millionaire left-leaning talk show hosts? You think they keep their insults classy? Tune into any bit about Chris Christie and start counting down the seconds until the fat joke. Google David Letterman's sex scandals. But it's okay, because they're on our side, and everybody wants an asshole on their team -- a spiked bat to smash their enemies with. That's all Trump is. The howls of elite outrage are like the sounds of bombs landing on the enemy's fortress. The louder the better.

mockturtle said...

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Maybee, that's classic! :-)

Michael K said...

I saw that "Cracked" piece a couple of days ago and it's pretty good.

Trump is the guy who pulls the cord that stops the train. Then we can figure out what to do next.

Howard said...

The Cracked article is great. It shows how a shallow city slicker who wears fancy clothes and lives in a glitzy palace can con a nation of hayseeds to surrender to the KGB.

RigelDog said...

Ten thousand years of white rule? The most ancient of civilizations--Mesopotamia, Indus Valley, Han China, Egypt, Persia, Mayan--those dudes were white?

MayBee said...

Hahahahaha! I love how easy it was for Hillary to get the press and the left whipped up against Russia.

Poor George W Bush had to work so hard to get people to turn against Saddam Hussein. He actually had to show his evidence. But all Hillary has to do is say it's happening, and have Obama's two appointees say "it looks like Russia" and BOOM! The whole left is in a big, red panic.

mockturtle said...

Howard, the 'KGB' is Hillary and the DNC. If you haven't figured that out yet, you've been living in a cave.

MayBee said...

I would love Trump to announce he has whispered to Putin "After my election I have more flexibility"

That would be the best troll on today's left.

Darrell said...

Democrats make up bullshit about Russia and all the good Libs spread the lie around. Russia reading the DNC emails is like a brother reading his sister's diary.

MayBee said...

Tell me. Do the people who guffawed along with Obama when he told Romney "the 80's called and they want their foreign policy back"-- do those people really suddenly believe Putin is our #1 foe and Trump is running as his puppet? Or is just fun to play along because Hillary is on your side?

Sam L. said...

WHAT????? Hillary ain't WHITE? Ain't ELITIST? Whachoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Howard said...

The bullshit about Russia is the Trumpsters crying nuclear war wolf. Calling the DNC the KGB is a Godwin violation indicative living in a Fox News virtual unreality echo chamber.

MayBee said...

The bullshit about Russia is the Trumpsters crying nuclear war wolf.

So somewhere in the past 4 years, the Russians went from someone President Obama literally laughed at the idea of being our number 1 foe, and whispered that he'd have more flexibility, to now being SO dangerous they are running a puppet for president and hacking our voting systems. When did this happen? Did Obama ever give a speech to explain the deterioriation? Or did this spring on us like a surprise just as Hillary found herself in a tight campaign?

Howard said...

MayBee: If you could get outside your partisan straightjacket, you might be able to recognize that murderous, short, macho KGB kleptocrat having his finger on the soviet nuke chicken-switch poses the greatest existential threat to humanity.

MayBee said...

MayBee: If you could get outside your partisan straightjacket, you might be able to recognize that murderous, short, macho KGB kleptocrat having his finger on the soviet nuke chicken-switch poses the greatest existential threat to humanity.

Now I'm confused. I thought you said crying "nuclear war" about Russia was crying "wolf" and was bullshit.

Howard said...

Maybee: I agree, Obozo has royally fucked up foreign policy to the point where he owns more of it than the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld cabal. That said, a superficial TV star who is able to con hayseeds and embolden racialists is not the answer. Trump is literally and figuratively the only candidate worse than Hitlary.

Howard said...

Maybee: Thanks for your comment. Putin is the biggest chronic threat to national security and by saying nuke war is imminent is selling it as an acute threat, which is crying wolf.

MayBee said...

Maybee: Thanks for your comment. Putin is the biggest chronic threat to national security and by saying nuke war is imminent

I don't think nuclear war is imminent. But I do think Hillary is playing a dangerous game. She's using fear of Russia to try to win a US election, but if/when she wins, she has got to be able to deal with Putin. She can't keep being bellicose and accusing him of everything that goes wrong in this country. We really don't need brinksmanship.

(her claims of Russian interference are based on this sourcing, and made by two guys who have overseen intelligence while Obama has mis-represented it. Obama has said his legacy is on the line, and they are his guys. Why would anyone just accept it?)

rehajm said...

Michael Moore is every white American family's militant great aunt that makes Thanksgiving so much fun.

Darrell said...

Why did Hillary sell Russia our uranium reserves if they are so dangerous. Was she wacky on the Jack?

MayBee said...

Yeah, Darrell, that's what I'm trying to figure out. When did Obama and Hillary first notice how existentially dangerous to us Russia has become, and when did they decide to tell us about it?

(it's interesting that the prior hacks on government had been attributed to the Chinese. Now all of a sudden it's Russia.)

MayBee said...

Oh and North Koreans. Remember the Sony hack?

Darrell said...

Did it start when Putin kicked Soros out for trying bullshit behind the scenes? Do we exist to just serve Soros?

n.n said...

The Left bitterly defends the Pro-Choice Church with its dreams of class diversity (i.e. racism, sexism), selective exclusion, abortion rites, planned parenthood, progressive wars, progressive poverty, green blight, minority rule, scientific mysticism, and mortal gods. Bow down before the one you serve.

n.n said...

Russia rose to global prominence after opposing selective exclusion ("="), abortion rites and Planned Parenthood, impulsive regime changes, progressive wars, immigration reform (e.g. refugee crises), etc. Their opposition to the Church's twilighters and irredeemables is intolerable.

MayBee said...

This is from Vox, and it's also very good:

Ezra Klein
There are a lot of signals this wasn’t the country it was 30 years ago, and a lot of people feel that they are losing power. It may not be that they are upset about other people doing better, but they feel they are losing something.

I don’t know what you do with that. One problem is it keeps getting coded as a conversation about racism. And that makes people very, very defensive and very intent on winning it — and I think that’s creating an exceptionally toxic system in our informational commons, where people have to spin off into places where they’re safer from the other side of this debate because it’s such an emotionally difficult debate to be a part of and accused of.

I mean that from both sides. Trump has done that in a way that’s helping him. But what comes after him? How does American society absorb this in a more productive way than Trump?

Molly Ball
I think this is the identity politics election and I think it is true that a lot of it is reactionary. It’s reactionary in the sense that it’s a reaction to the rising identity politics of the left and of minorities.

You have a feminist movement more active and galvanized than it’s been in my lifetime. You have a civil rights galvanized and active and demanding in a forthright way not happening in the ’90s or the first decade of this century. And so a lot of the anti-political correctness sentiment Trump is tapping into, and the tribalism in his followers, is a reaction to what they see as the tribal assertions of their opponents.

The Trump supporters I’ve spoken to, that’s a lot of what they talk about. I’ve talked to Trump supporters right after he declined, briefly, to disavow the Ku Klux Klan. They said they didn’t understand why Trump should denounce the Klan if Obama doesn’t have to denounce Black Lives Matter.

To these Trump supporters, those were equivalent racist movements. So there’s a feeling — I’m not saying it’s correct, of course — but in terms of understanding how people feel, identity is a very powerful force. And a lot of white people feel they don’t have an outlet to express their identity the ways others do.

Darrell said...

Except that a lie. Trump DID disavow the Klan multiple times a day before on the same network--CNN. The next day they gave him a faulty earpiece and asked him to disavow the Klan and David Duke. After saying to repeat the question multiple times, he said "I don't know who that is but I don't know him. Never met him." It was a bullshit setup. Like when Letterman talked to Bush using a satellite with an extraordinary delay and made him look like an idiot, laughing 45-seconds late and answering the previous question.

Michael K said...

"The bullshit about Russia is the Trumpsters crying nuclear war wolf."

Howard, how do you remember to breathe ?

Darrell said...

Howard is ready to enlist to fight the bad Ruskies. Why aren't you?

Darrell said...

Actually I don't know what Howard wants to do. It's all the spittle, I think.

MayBee said...

Isn't it Hillary running on the imminent nuclear war issue? She says how dangerous it would be to have the volatile Trump in charge of the nuclear button. She even said at the last debate that if unstable Donald gives the command, the generals have to unleash the nukes, and it takes as little as 4 minutes.

MayBee said...

If Trump gets into office, Hillary is saying, Trump will get up in the middle of the night and unleash a nuclear weapon rather than a tweet.

MayBee said...

In the last debate Hillary said, Trump is "casual about the use of nuclear weapons"

So who is saying nuclear war is imminent?

EMD said...

Trying to imagine the paradise of the world if there had never been a single white man.

J. Farmer said...

Russophobia is embedded into the elite system. It was just four years ago when Romney was labeling them our greatest geostrategic foe. Most of it stems from the fact that the US relies on WWII and Cold War metaphpors incessantly to justify its global meddling and interventionism. And it really kicked into high gear during Clinton's presidency. Neocons supported Clinton, and he likewise bought into all their short-sighted, global hegemony, unipolar nonsense. Whether it was constantly interfering in Southeast Europe, supporting separatist movements, pushing for radical market economy reforms that tended mostly to enrich corrupt oligarchs, or needlessly pushing NATO up to Russia's borders. The first "reset" of the US-Russia relationship came at the hands of George W. Bush. Who can forget his silly remark about looking into Putin's eyes? But even then the US needlessly antagonized Russia by ballyhooing so called color revolutions in Georgia, Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan and supporting separatist movements in the South Ossetia and Abkhazia regions of Georgia. Obama didn't skip a beat when it came time for his administration to support antagonistic movements in Ukraine. Victoria Nuland, wife to one of the Kagan brood, was a big player here. Much of the complaint from the right at the time was that Obama was not being antagonistic towards Russia enough.

In truth, the left/wright, Democrat/Republican dichotomy is pretty useless for trying to make sense of these things, since both parties are essentially run from the same elite core. Consider using a nationalist vs. globalist binary , and things tend to look much clearer. Donald Trump has built his campaign on a nationalist platform, and I've always said his candidacy was a hail mary pass. The American nation has been splintering for the last half-century, and we've likely passed some kind of tipping point. You thought post-Soviet Yugoslavia was a mess? Just wait for post-white America.

mockturtle said...

I think Saudi Arabia is a bigger threat than Russia but so many of the elite are on their payroll, no one will apply the term to them.

tcrosse said...

If Hillary gets the Nuclear Button she'll probably have it installed in her home bathroom, right by the toilet paper. Because convenience. And at that point, what difference will it make ?

Fen said...

"it's like the gene pool has got more and more depleted"

Again, dovetailing with another post - someone who honestly believed it was wrong to hold ignorant bigoted stereotypes about people based on race would long ago self-checked this kind of attitude.

Which means Micheal Moore is just using race as a prop. He doesn't really believe in the things he lectures the rest of us about. Else, his mindset would have rejected such a bigoted attack on whites.

Fen said...

"I don't think it's about color for most people. I think it is about a change in culture that - "

It's about this. Long read, but a great analysis of why we are this point:

http://www.claremont.org/crb/basicpage/after-the-republic/

Fen said...

"Trump is literally and figuratively the only candidate worse than Hitlary."

That's ridiculous. Hillary is above the law. Trump is not. Even Hitler would be a better choice than Hillary, because we could count on checks and balances to keep him reigned in.

Not so with Hillary. Did you miss where she just quashed an FBI investigation in her? Trump doesn't begin to have that level of power, influence or corruption.

mockturtle said...

Fen, excellent article!!!

Michael K said...

Neocons supported Clinton, and he likewise bought into all their short-sighted, global hegemony, unipolar nonsense.

Clinton did nothing. Nothing! The "neocons" appeared mostly during Bush's term when they supported going into Iraq.

I supported the Iraq invasion but for more complicated reasons. We have l]had long debates about it at Chicagoboyz.

Bush was faced with a revolt by the Saudis after 9/`11. They wanted us out because our troops were threatening their religious "virginity."

Martha McSally, now my Congresswoman in Tucson, was an A 10 pilot and refused to wear a burkha. If Bush had left after 9/11, he would have been seen as defeated by Saddam who was making a mockery of sanctions. It's a long story and, if you are interested, you can find the discussion at Chicagoboyz.

I do think Bush botched the occupation.

damikesc said...

I saw that "Cracked" piece a couple of days ago and it's pretty good.


If you've read Cracked recently, you'd be stunned at this. Triple shocked given the writer is really bad about being VERY SJW-y. I actually gained some respect for him with this because it shows that he has some inkling what people like me go through.

The Cracked article is great. It shows how a shallow city slicker who wears fancy clothes and lives in a glitzy palace can con a nation of hayseeds to surrender to the KGB.

It's not Trump illegally keeping classified material in non-secure servers for Russians to hack. Just sayin'.

n.n said...

The Iraq War was sustained under Clinton. The War ended under Bush. It resumed and metastasized under Obama into social justice adventurism (e.g. trials by sodomy and abortion) and immigration reform (e.g. refugee crises).

Howard said...

Darrell: Just because you think like an airhead, I suppose you have trouble with the whole particle-wave duality of the universe. In any event, please post your dd214 to flickr so there is some evidence you are not another chickenhawk.

Howard said...

The Iraq war and 911 naturally evolved out of Raygun's failed Beirut adventure followed by his arms for hostages deal. This was direct evidence to the middle east that the US is a paper tiger that is asking for an ass-reaming.

mockturtle said...

Howard, if there is an airhead on this thread, you are the title holder.

Howard said...

Fen: All true, but it shows the ruthlessness we need in a president when going toe to toe with the ruskies. Dronald is a child.

Howard said...

mock: whatever, sweetie. Although I do like your taste in NFL, is that the team your husband likes?

mockturtle said...

mock: whatever, sweetie. Although I do like your taste in NFL, is that the team your husband likes?

My husband has been dead for three years.

Darrell said...

Howard the duck. I'm not promoting war with Russia or anyone. You can't really read with all that spittle you are putting out. Your Democrat friends are rattling sabers of some type. Please post your user names and passwords and to flickr, so I can check you out properly. Or kiss my ass.

Howard said...

I'll rephrase... was that the team your husband liked?

Nice use of guilt trip, but everyone has a sad tragic story to tell... just not with strangers. I'm sure rhardon appreciates your soap opera skilz.

Howard said...

So you never served, Darrell?

mockturtle said...

My husband was British and preferred rugby and soccer to American-style football. But, as we lived in Seattle for many years, we both enjoyed watching the Seahawks. Even when they were very bad.

mockturtle said...

And I might add that I've been a football fan since age 12.

Darrell said...

Learn to read Howard. When I advocate going to war, you can ask your gotcha questions. I am questioning your sanity, not mine, Comrade.

The Cracker Emcee said...

"The Iraq war and 911 naturally evolved out of Raygun's failed Beirut adventure followed by his arms for hostages deal. This was direct evidence to the middle east that the US is a paper tiger that is asking for an ass-reaming."

Jeepers, and 16 years of Democrat presidents couldn't put a scratch in that? Why do we keep electing these impotent pussies?

The Cracker Emcee said...

If Trump somehow wins, it will be entirely down to the Left's male and White self- loathing schtick. Why would anyone think White folks don't do Identity politics? Because you trumpeted your virtue in Rolling Stone? Does anyone really buy into that?

SukieTawdry said...

I read the Cracked piece last week and finished Hillbilly Elegy shortly before. These people made Trump. He in turn has made them a lot of promises. If he's elected, he fucking better keep some of them.

Michael K said...

This was direct evidence to the middle east that the US is a paper tiger that is asking for an ass-reaming.

The 'Paper tiger" stuff was Clinton doing cigar fucks while Osama blew up embassies in Africa, then blew up a US ship less than a month before the election.

Reagan was wrong in Beirut but in siting the Marines in a barracks and leaving the guards with empty M 16s. I suspect the pussy whipped military was responsible but he signed their paychecks.

He was trying to get back Bill Buckley, the CIA station chief who had been abducted and was being tortured. It didn't work.

Iran is still our enemy and your dusky Jesus is shipping pallet loads of cash to them. At least Reagan only sent a cake.

Howard said...

Mike K it was not the siting of the Marine barracks, it was the fact that he pulled them out after the bombing. And by pussy-whipped, you mean Raygun who called Nancy Mommie, even after she smoked Old Blue Eye's bone.

Howard said...

Darrell: I recall you calling Meade a draft dodger in another thread... what branch was it again, the Webelos?

Rhythm and Balls said...

They're both white.

They're both elitists.

How simple can you be, fat man?

n.n said...

Class diversitists miss the individuals for their colorful clumps of cells.

Fen said...

Actually I don't know what Howard wants to do. It's all the spittle, I think.

Can we please let Howard speak? I want to hear him call me a hayseed again. I so love it when they call me a toothless inbred redneck fucking my sister in my doublewide while I dream of nuking mecca.

It helps me sleep at night when the screams of terror as they begged for mercy echo in the back of my mind.

So please Howard, do go on. Call me a hayseed again. Feed me hate. That 50 cal isn't going to clean itself.

Fen said...

"you mean Raygun"

Just as a sidebar, do you not realize how silly your "Raygun" nickname makes you look?

Not only that, it removes the rules of civility in dealing with you. Makes it okay to treat you with the same mockery and contempt.

I just want to make sure you understand that before the crying begins. Don't come to me in 2 weeks whining about why I mindfucked you.

Howard said...

Fen: The Raygun nickname is just bait to make impotent Remington rangers foam at the mouth. Thanks for the rules of etiquette, it's now clear you're the official Althousian Minister of Proctocol.
Fen Standing Post

Fen said...

"The Raygun nickname is just bait to make impotent Remington rangers foam at the mouth"

Is that what you think it does? It spotlights you as an idiot.

To paraphrase Ace, people aren't sitting back and thinking "whoa what a SICK burn Howard just landed!". They are instead wondering what a loser in real life you must be. Up your game.

Seriously, all partisan BS aside, take my advice and stop disgracing yourself like this. It makes you look like some sophomoronic metrosexual from Dem Underground. If you're cool with that, okay I guess. At least you will be entertaining.

Fen said...

"Remington rangers"

btw, I'm a former Marine. Infantry 0313.

So your little chickenhawk taunts are impotent.

chickelit said...

"Ronnie Ray Gun" takes me back....to Gil Scott-Heron: B-Movie

chickelit said...

Scott-Heron's proto-hip hop rant could be easily updated just by substituting the words "B-movie" and "Ronald Ray Gun" with "reality TV" and "Donald Trump." The tired message is the same.

Achilles said...

Blogger Howard said...
"mock: whatever, sweetie. Although I do like your taste in NFL, is that the team your husband likes?"

It is funny to watch the idiot leftist trolls trip on their dick and let their misogyny slip out for everyone to see.

Howard gets a 4 out of 10 on the boring troll scale.

Howard said...

That's right Achilles, it just slipped out... just like the squid that just slips on the scampi lead head hook. You people are just like ling cod... you'll bite on anything as long as it fits your narrative.

Howard said...

Thank you for your service, Fen. I guess you like what Ronaldous Magnus did to your beloved Corp in 1983. Not your era, so they were not your brothers? What I don't understand is why you keep eye fucking a worm like me?

wildswan said...

Not really sure who's been running things for "the last 10,000 years". Wasn't it Egyptians, then Sumerians, then Persians in one area; Mayans in another; Chinese somewhere else? Tagalog people elsewhere? Not sure why Hispanics are not part of European culture - Spain, not part of Europe? Jorge Luis Borges, not part of European culture? Not sure why when Hispanics take over it will be the end of macho man. Wonder what Asians think when they hear that for the first time they are part of culture? Wonder when Michael Moore ever ran anything but his mouth.

jr565 said...

Michael Moore is one of the whitest guys I know. And he's richer than fuck. And he wants to talk about white privilege? Look Mike, if you want to flagellate yourself because of your guilt over being a rich douchebag, be my guest. But don't speak for other white people who aren't multi millionaires and who never were involved in th slave trade. can he die of diabetes already?

JamesB.BKK said...

The 10,000 years claim of a "run" by white men is what might be called a mortal credibility wound, if the territory or area of influence in question could ever be settled. Tamerlane, Kublai Khan, the last Ottoman Emperor who sided with the Axis naturally, all had some influence during that period (if even to observe how not to do it), not to mention Assyrians, Sumerians, Babylonians, Persians, Egyptians, Carthaginians, etc., if history books are to be believed. The "run" included agriculture, metallurgy, chemistry, steam power, electricity distribution, internal combustion, industrial scale killing in the name of socialism, Nazism, and other collectivist, coercive notions and to stop the agents of such notions, rocketry, exploration of space, and much, much, more. I, for one, am looking forward to more inventions such as these coming out of the Southern Hemisphere and the other geographic and cultural areas apparently celebrated by Michael Moore (though he does not seem to live in any). Now that math and science are apparently being rejected by these new thinkers and their shock troops, such inventions are likely to be amazing to behold.