October 18, 2016

"If you're there and you're protesting and you do these actions, you will be attacked at Trump rallies. That's what we want."

"The whole point of it is that we know that Trump's people will freak the fuck out, his security team will freak out, and his supporters will lose their shit."

Said Scott Foval, who was the national field director for the Americans United for Change until he was fired for saying that on a James O’Keefe undercover video.

96 comments:

cubanbob said...

Incitement to riot, that's the Democrat Way.

Big Mike said...

He was fired for getting caught on camera. Not because any Democrat thinks he did something wrong.

Original Mike said...

This has been obvious from the beginning. Glad it's now on tape.

Quaestor said...

Flith. The Democrats have mired our republic in filth up to our collective necks. If Hillary is elected none of these criminals will face prosecution. The only recourse for the GOP and all the other parties will be to fight back in kind.

Many despise his manners and his braggadocio, that's true. But love or loathe him, Trump is the only candidate with an even chance of mucking out the Augean Stables.

Achilles said...

He was fired for getting caught on camera. He was clearly hiring thugs to incite violence at trump events.

Notice how the Hillary people go after okeefe though. They are disgusting people.

EDH said...

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 241 CONSPIRACY AGAINST RIGHTS

SUMMARY:

Section 241 of Title 18 is the civil rights conspiracy statute. Section 241 makes it unlawful for two or more persons to agree together to injure, threaten, or intimidate a person in any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the Unites States, (or because of his/her having exercised the same). Unlike most conspiracy statutes, Section 241 does not require that one of the conspirators commit an overt act prior to the conspiracy becoming a crime.

The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.

TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 241

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same;...

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.


42 U.S. Code § 1985 - Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights

(3) Depriving persons of rights or privileges.

If two or more persons in any State or Territory conspire or go in disguise on the highway or on the premises of another, for the purpose of depriving, either directly or indirectly, any person or class of persons of the equal protection of the laws, or of equal privileges and immunities under the laws; or for the purpose of preventing or hindering the constituted authorities of any State or Territory from giving or securing to all persons within such State or Territory the equal protection of the laws; or if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States; or to injure any citizen in person or property on account of such support or advocacy; in any case of conspiracy set forth in this section, if one or more persons engaged therein do, or cause to be done, any act in furtherance of the object of such conspiracy, whereby another is injured in his person or property, or deprived of having and exercising any right or privilege of a citizen of the United States, the party so injured or deprived may have an action for the recovery of damages occasioned by such injury or deprivation, against any one or more of the conspirators.

Big Mike said...

@EDH, I believe those are the anti-KKK laws. Appropriate to apply them to the 21st century Democrats!

Quaestor said...

...if two or more persons conspire to prevent by force, intimidation, or threat, any citizen who is lawfully entitled to vote, from giving his support or advocacy in a legal manner, toward or in favor of the election of any lawfully qualified person as an elector for President or Vice President, or as a Member of Congress of the United States...

Remember those club-wielding New Black Panthers in front of the polling station in Philadelphia back in 2008? None of them were prosecuted, or even interviewed by Obama's Injustice Department.

I wonder when Inga or Sunsong will chime in with a denunciation of O'Keefe?

Quaestor said...

Forgive the spurious question mark.

Henry said...

“We have mentally ill people who we pay to do s--t, make no mistake,” he says.

I wonder who he means by "mentally ill people" in his own mind. Is he hiring homeless people? Or is that how he thinks of run-of-the-mill activists?

Sebastian said...

@edh: "TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 241 CONSPIRACY AGAINST RIGHTS" That's what the US Attorney in Chicago is using to go aggressively after the thugs who violently disrupted Trump events there. Not.

chickelit said...

Make believe pussy grabbing is so much more important than this. Don't believe me? What Hillary's reaction tomorrow night.

Mark said...

I wonder where Sheriff David Clarke's statements fit on this continuum.

James Pawlak said...

Perhaps, we will win/lose elections by counting bodies rather that votes.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Mark said..."I wonder where Sheriff David Clarke's statements fit on this continuum."

Statements? These were acts.

chickelit said...

Scott Foval is a Madison local, I believe. Whose campaigns has he worked on or for in Wisconsin? Not Russ Feingold I hope!

YoungHegelian said...

Next question: who exactly is funding these attack dogs? There's a money trail here, not to mention a trail back to the unions.

Oh, like it's ever going to be investigated....

David Begley said...

This is a big, big deal. The FBI must investigate. Even if DOJ is against it.

And there is way more to this. Maddow and MSNBC went on at great length to paint this picture that the people at Trump rallies were all a bunch of neo-Nazi thugs. Since I went to five rallies, I can say it was completely not true. Just average Americans feed up with things.

So we have probable coordination between the DNC and MSNBC.

David Begley said...

Young

The DNC is paying per the video!

Jon Ericson said...

“It’s a very easy thing for Republicans to say,
well they’re bussing people in.
Well you know what?
We’ve been bussing people in to deal with you
f---in’ assholes for fifty years and
we’re not going to stop now,
we’re just going to find a different way to do it,”
Foval says.


Sounds about right.

David Begley said...

The beauty of this case is that Foval has been fired. Give him immunity now and he rats out the whole crew. Right up to Mook and Podesta.

He has no incentive to stay quit. Save himself.

Michael K said...

I have watched a dozen videos and have seen one or two Trump supporters lash out. There is currently a case in court in which an arrest warrant was issued for a Trump supporter, alleging he knocked down a woman with an oxygen tank on her back.

It turns out, although it is difficult to find a link, the man being charged is legally blind and was being led by his wife. They were beset by protestors and he can't see.

The protestor can be seen in the video grabbing his shoulder and then falling down. It was a setup. He has returned for trial from his home. The trial, of course, will be after the election.

Michael K said...

"He has no incentive to stay quit. Save himself."

Do you really think anyone will charge him?

Ctmom4 said...

Creamer is out too. He is Rep. Jan Schakosky's ( Illinois) husband and is already a felon.

David Begley said...

I should add that when there were disruptions at Trump and Cruz rallies, they were moved out quickly and without a fuss.

EDH said...

YoungHegelian said...
Oh, like it's ever going to be investigated....

42 U.S. Code § 1985 - Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights provides a private right of action, which includes discovery.

David Begley said...

Michael K

That shows how corrupt the federal government is. But we need to know where this stuff happened. A local county attorney, the city police and county sheriff can investigate. Thank god for federalism!

chickelit said...

If Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is any precedent, Foval and Creamer (sp?) will be hired by team Clinton.

David Begley said...

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell can publically pressure the FBI,

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Lovely people, aren't they Professor? No need to worry about missing them--they are not going away.

chickelit said...

@Begley: Ryan especially because of the Wisconsin connection. but first you'll have to get Ryan to acknowledge the video. Not likely. Cruz would have a better receptivity.

Unknown said...

"Lovely people, aren't they Professor? No need to worry about missing them--they are not going away."

Obamas people.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Mike said...
Blogger Mark said..."I wonder where Sheriff David Clarke's statements fit on this continuum."

Statements? These were acts."

Mark, like most Clinton fanbois, is confused on this score. He thinks GOP words always trump, so to speak, Dem actions. In Mark's world, Trump saying "grab pussy" is worse than Billy Jeff holding Juanita Wright down on a bed and biting her lip. Sheriff Clark tweeting "pitchforks" is more horrific than Hillary's goons beating up people and trashing their cars.

Anything at all is OK if it's his team.

Shake those pom poms, Mark! Go team go!

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Lovely people, aren't they Professor? No need to worry about missing them--they are not going away."

Obamas people."

It's OK though, because Obama looks just so gosh darn cute when he kisses babies.

jacksonjay said...

I am extremely relieved to have the one-man troll patrol back in action. Alt-house is once again safe from the threat of blogless commenters! Profiles will be under surveillance. Enter at your own risk!

Jon Ericson said...

At your cervix!

William said...

The real shame is not Foval's words and actions. The real shame is that you will not see any of this on the nightly news.

buwaya puti said...

Anthony Beevors "Battle for Spain", his history of the Spanish Civil War. First three chapters.

Buy it on the Althouse Amazon portal!

Theranter said...

Chickeletn@Begley: Ryan especially because of the Wisconsin connection. but first you'll have to get Ryan to acknowledge the video. Not likely. Cruz would have a better receptivity.

--
I thought Cruz blamed Trump and his supporters for the violence at the Chicago rally.

Achilles said...

Blogger David Begley said...
"Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell can publically pressure the FBI,"

You are joking right? This is why we nominated Trump. We want to take these people out, not kiss Obamas ass and sell out like cowards.

Mac McConnell said...

It's easy to find plenty of videos of protesters against Trump sucker punching Trump supporters, spitting on old lady Trump supporters, damaging Trump supporter autos, etc., etc., it's how the left has always operated.

"According to the DNC-MSM, fascism is forever descending upon the American right, but it always seems to land rather far left of the target, to paraphrase Tom Wolfe." - Ed Driscoll

buwaya puti said...

Foval met with Obama twice, and Creamer visited the White house 340 (three hundred and forty) times, over four years, including 42 appointments with the President.
White house visit logs via Imgur, via posts at reddit.

Interesting. Strategy coordinated from the top, including dirty tricks.

buwaya puti said...

Creamer is married to Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, of Chicago.

Chicago machine. The pieces fall into place, a few of them.

Mick said...

I posted all of this for you all on a previous thread. Including payments from the FEC to one of the female thug agitators.
Ding Dong the witch is dead
the witch is dead
the witch is dead

Trump's Bad-ass Blond Campaign Manager made the little faggot Cooper look like a little boy. It's over, the media is cutting their losses on the Crooked Old Lady. No where to be seen for the last 3 or 4 days. They are now trying to save themselves. But Mr. Trump will make them pay. The mainstream media will never recover.

DONALD J. TRUMP LANDSLIDE

Qwinn said...

Yeah, with her "isn't Obama lovely kissing babies" bit, Althouse finally destroyed the last bit of hesitation I had in becoming a full supporter of repealing the 19th amendment.

Very fortunately for me, my girlfriend, sisters, mother and sister in law all agree. And we all live in PA and NJ, so...

rehajm said...

Am I a tape behind? I'm watching the one where he explains how to commit voter fraud and not get caught.

Jon Ericson said...

Second tape has:

"It's a very easy thing for Republicans to say,
"Well, they're bussing people in."
Well, you know what?
We've been bussing people in to deal with you
fuckin' assholes for fifty years and
we're not going to stop now,
we're just going to find a different way to do it,"
Foval says.

Sounds about right.

mezzrow said...

"Forget it, Jake. It's America..."

MayBee said...

Hillary at about this time was running on "Love".

Now Hillary is running on "When they go low, we go high" by having her oppo groups find women to come forward about Donald Trump.

Whatever public face they put forward, they have a scheme running in the background that is the exact opposite.

MayBee said...

James O'Keefe is really brave.

Weasel Zippers discovered this, so I'm giving him the link. But these guys visited the White House, met Obama.

The really amazing thing is: they made it look like Bernie Supporters were doing this in Chicago. Remember that? It was a twofer.

MayBee said...

Hmmm....this is interesting.

Wikileaks is reporting that someone planted a story yesterday that Assange is engaged in pedophilia and took a million dollars from Russia. I know one of the Dem commenters on here yesterday mentioned the pedo rape story.
The entity that started the story appears to be a shell company. And who was talking about shell companies to hide political misdoings yesterday? Oh yes....they guys on James O'Keefe's tape.

MayBee said...

New theory- the anti semitic pro-Trump Twitter bots were actually created by Hillary's people.

Rusty said...

I wonder when Inga or Sunsong will chime in with a denunciation of O'Keefe?

Oh. One of the usual suspects will be along. After furiously googling a reply.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Yeah, with her "isn't Obama lovely kissing babies" bit, Althouse finally destroyed the last bit of hesitation I had in becoming a full supporter of repealing the 19th amendment."

I had that thought myself - and I'm a woman. Of course, Unknown/Inga will tell you that if you get chills at the thought of what Obama has done to wreck the rule of law in America instead of going whoozy when he kisses babies, you're not a woman-woman anyway.

I didn't anything could top "The pajamas say nigs" moment from 2008, but "That man is so lovely. I'm advance-missing him" does the trick.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Rusty said...
I wonder when Inga or Sunsong will chime in with a denunciation of O'Keefe?"

They didn't see this reported on CNN or MSNBC so it can't be real. And if it is, so what? It's OK to beat up elderly people and spray paint their cars if you do it with love in your heart. They're all about love, those two.

MayBee said...

This story about accusing Assange of pedophilia is so interesting.

Buzzfeed

Todd and Clare is a dating website supposedly begun in 2011 but with an online presence only starting 2015. Reddit users say they share a phone number with Premise Data, the founders of which have pictures of themselves with Hillary from this July on their Twitter, although they both locked their Twitter accounts last night.

Gusty Winds said...

Nice guy Scott Foval. Wisconsin nice. Another Madison intellectual.

Gusty Winds said...

Violence incited, paid for, coordinated, condoned, and then misrepresented by the first female nominee of a major American political party.

Tactical violence against Americans excercizing their rights. Have fun voting for her.

I'll bet Hillary would like to hit Trump with a baseball bat.

Brando said...

I don't really care if someone is "inciting" you--if you resort to violence, you're a thug who cannot control yourself. Doesn't matter if you're a Trump fan at a rally or a Black Lives Matter activist at a BLM rally. It's annoying and obnoxious when someone disrupts you but handle it peacefully. This isn't Venezuela yet.

MayBee said...

It's annoying and obnoxious when someone disrupts you but handle it peacefully. This isn't Venezuela yet.

Agreed.
But that isn't the story here, I don't think. Remember the Chicago anti-Trump riots were blamed on Bernie voters, and the story (even from some Republicans) was that Trump was so angry he brought these angry mobs upon himself.
But the angry mobs were paid to mob. They were the ones causing the violence at (at least) that rally. But only the few people that were violent and supported Trump brought any kind of wide-spread criticism.

damikesc said...

Yeah, the press doesn't give a shit about this. Democrats TODAY discussing blatantly illegal actions TODAY aren't as important as locker room talk and pathetic allegation from well over a decade ago.

Sure, they're suppressing people's rights --- BUT these chicks had their feelings hurt!

If the press cared about covering stories at all, O'Keefe would be a God in that field. That he's a pariah speaks volumes. He is what Woodward and Bernstein WISH they were. He isn't a guy who had a bitter CIA agent feeding him information. He is getting the story without a lot of help.

Flith. The Democrats have mired our republic in filth up to our collective necks. If Hillary is elected none of these criminals will face prosecution. The only recourse for the GOP and all the other parties will be to fight back in kind.

Yup, until the limp dishrags that are the Republican elites get over themselves, we can be happy knowing that we will never win a Presidential election again. It will never happen for the rest of any of our lives. All because our "betters" just cannot stomach doing what is necessary anymore.

It's time to put some much-needed fear in Progressives. And since we can't use courts or public pressure (thanks media), there aren't many options left. And few of those options are pleasant, but c'est la vie.

Remember those club-wielding New Black Panthers in front of the polling station in Philadelphia back in 2008? None of them were prosecuted, or even interviewed by Obama's Injustice Department.

Not even the damning part. They had a CONVICTION on them ready and delivered and Obama said no. It wasn't even that he didn't want to prosecute. That part was already done.

An the sad thing is that in places like Chicago, Republicans have as few protections for their actions as blacks did in the 50's in Democrat bastions...and even fewer options to protect themselves since the you won't see a Democrat coming to their aid as Eisenhower did to blacks.

He is Rep. Jan Schakosky's ( Illinois) husband and is already a felon.

Good odds are that she SHOULD be one.

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell can publically pressure the FBI,

We know they won't. And if they did, it'd be meaningless. The DOJ is now a Democrat-only entity. Should a Republican win the WH, they'll need to wholesale violate federal law and fire every single employee in every single agency in the entire government. Total wipeout. Re-staff from scratch. Tell the courts to fuck off and suspend all of their pensions permanently until they can prove that they have not been violating citizens' rights for years.

Yeah, with her "isn't Obama lovely kissing babies" bit, Althouse finally destroyed the last bit of hesitation I had in becoming a full supporter of repealing the 19th amendment.

I'm approaching that level. If the utter bastardization of the concept of separation of powers and total coarsening of the entire political culture can be trumped by fucking kissing babies, then this country is done for.

New theory- the anti semitic pro-Trump Twitter bots were actually created by Hillary's people.

I have zero doubt they are. But Twitter is totally pro-Hillary with a censorship board of far-left SJW. We will never find out.

damikesc said...

It's annoying and obnoxious when someone disrupts you but handle it peacefully. This isn't Venezuela yet.

Except how do we know it's violence and not self-defense? This is co-ordinated with the DNC. We don't see many of these "confrontations" from start to finish.

Rusty said...

"This isn't Venezuela yet."
It's gonna be. It's what they want.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"He isn't a guy who had a bitter CIA agent feeding him information. He is getting the story without a lot of help."

Think of it: we wouldn't have known of Hillary's 9/11 swan dive if an ordinary person hadn't been there with a cell phone to record it without Hillary staffers knowing. The only two people who have informed us of the contents of the emails and the extent of Democrat corruption are Assange and O'Keefe.

I don't know how the members of the media can face themselves in the mirror every morning.

MadisonMan said...

A local county attorney, the city police and county sheriff can investigate. Thank god for federalism!

(snicker)

As if the DA in Dane County will do one thing about this.

Birkel said...

This is a one day local story.

Althouse cannot be roused to write so many days in a row about this.

This is only about crimes, not sex.

damikesc said...

Think of it: we wouldn't have known of Hillary's 9/11 swan dive if an ordinary person hadn't been there with a cell phone to record it without Hillary staffers knowing. The only two people who have informed us of the contents of the emails and the extent of Democrat corruption are Assange and O'Keefe.

I don't know how the members of the media can face themselves in the mirror every morning.


Because they are Democrats. That is their only concern. They just don't have any skills outside of "meh" writing talent. I don't see why we NEED "journalists" now as they are just stenographers. Papers should just print the press release the reporters repeat ad nauseum and save the money. CNN should just go ahead and hire Hillary spokespeople to read the "news" provided by algorithm.

Why haven't illegals taken journalist jobs yet? God knows those people are EASILY replaceable.

MadisonMan said...

This is only about crimes, not sex.

or Dylan!

Brando said...

"But the angry mobs were paid to mob. They were the ones causing the violence at (at least) that rally. But only the few people that were violent and supported Trump brought any kind of wide-spread criticism."

Yeah, if the demonstrator is actually violent, that's a different story.

GRW3 said...

When you go through years of rewarding bad behavior and stifling, belittling honest dissent, what do you think you will get? I anticipate violence in the Blue states, not the Red ones, as the oppressed majority, or at least plurality, starts to react. A lot of that group is of Celtic extraction (Irish, Scotch Irish) who spent centuries climbing out from under Anglo suppression. They're clannish just like their southern relatives that started the infamous Klan. They'll note that they are suffering for white guilt while the Anglos in the 1% are doing just fine.

exiledonmainstreet said...

BTW, Rubio says he will not talk about the contents of the emails. That wouldn't be gentlemanly and the GOPe is all about being gentlemanly. Has any Republican brought up these videos?

Hey, Chuck, there's reason 2,395 why some of us want nothing to do with your useless, pathetic party any more.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"A lot of that group is of Celtic extraction (Irish, Scotch Irish) who spent centuries climbing out from under Anglo suppression."

And the Scots Irish make up a very high percentage of whites in the military, as James Webb has noted. There have been reports of corpses left to rot in body bags at a VA hospital near Chicago for so long their bodies actually started to liquefy. There will be a day when showing our gratitude to the vets by clapping for them at ballplays just won't cut it anymore.

David said...

Fire4d for telling the truth.

David said...

"BTW, Rubio says he will not talk about the contents of the emails. That wouldn't be gentlemanly and the GOPe is all about being gentlemanly. Has any Republican brought up these videos?

Hey, Chuck, there's reason 2,395 why some of us want nothing to do with your useless, pathetic party any more."

Rubio is running for the Senate. This reflects his (likely correct) assessment of what he needs to do to get elected. Trump is going down in flames. Would you rather that Rubio adopted strategies that will make it more likely that the Democrats control Congress?

traditionalguy said...

The interviewed head of the Dems who recruited, paid, trained and sent out a flow actors to disrupt to Trump Rallies visited the Obama Whitehouse 342 times since 2009 and met with Obama 69 times.

This makes Nixon's Watergate Plumbers insignificant.

robother said...

These O'Keefe videos are the perfect illustration of how the corrupt Democratic Party is taking over the country. On the one hand we have the Chicago Way-- brass knuckles, whatever it takes to win. These guys are bragging about voter fraud, disrupting and causing cancellation of political events.

On the other hand, we have the certainty that no DOJ lawyers or FBI investigators will ever pursue a case against either of these guys, for felonies admitted on camera. Nor will any MSM outlets cover any of the videos. When Trump brings them up at the debate tonight, average Americans watching will assume he's just making it all up.

Mick said...

"On the other hand, we have the certainty that no DOJ lawyers or FBI investigators will ever pursue a case against either of these guys, for felonies admitted on camera. Nor will any MSM outlets cover any of the videos. When Trump brings them up at the debate tonight, average Americans watching will assume he's just making it all up".



It was all over the news last night. DNC operatives plotting to practice their thuggery at Trump Rallies, actual footage of the thugs at Trump rallies, Proof that the DNC and the FEC pay people to be thugs at Trump rallies, one of the thugs visiting the WH over 250 times (to visit with the Usurper thug in chief), said thug (Creamer) being a convicted felon and married to an Illinois (who woulda guessed) Congresswoman, State Dept. offering quid pro quo to FBI to lessen classification of emails, etc. etc.

Trump's bad-ass blonde campaign manager made the little faggot Cooper babble and drool--- he had nothing to say, except "well Trump says that the election is rigged, but 'independent' studies say their is very little fraud", after the FRAUD was exposed for all the world to see. Then she pointed out that 96% of media POTUS donations go to the Crooked Old Lady. It was beautiful to watch. FOX though is the same as CNN and are pushing the "Clinton is winning the polls" BS---- all nonsense.

TRUMP LANDSLIDE
The WITCH IS DEAD
WITCH IS DEAD
WITCH IS DEAD

mtrobertslaw said...

There's no excuse now. All those women who are so outraged by Trump's verbal antics they are going to vote for Hillary or not vote at all now know exactly what they are going to get with this woman and her pack of brownshirts.

Birkel said...

Mick is the worst Moby ever.

Even Chuck is better.

Bad Lieutenant said...


Brando said...
I don't really care if someone is "inciting" you--if you resort to violence, you're a thug who cannot control yourself. Doesn't matter if you're a Trump fan at a rally or a Black Lives Matter activist at a BLM rally. It's annoying and obnoxious when someone disrupts you but handle it peacefully. This isn't Venezuela yet.
10/19/16, 6:58 AM


That's interesting. How would we know, "yet?" What if this IS Venezuela and we're just not facing up to it yet?

damikesc said...

Yeah, if the demonstrator is actually violent, that's a different story.

Not in the press it's not. When the police sat back and allowed Trump supporters to get mobbed, the press acted like the Trump supporters antagonized the feral beasts who attacked them.

You assume that the Trump people were violent because the media said it was the case. How has the media earned your trust enough to justify believing?

BTW, Rubio says he will not talk about the contents of the emails. That wouldn't be gentlemanly and the GOPe is all about being gentlemanly. Has any Republican brought up these videos?

He said that?

Then he will never be President. If he wins the nomination, I'll NEVER vote for him. I don't need a pussy who won't fight on totally valid grounds.

"Well, I'll never sink that low". Grand. Your Dem opponent will. Happily.

Mick said...

Birkel said...
"Mick is the worst Moby ever.

Even Chuck is better".


You mean you still believe that the Crooked Old Lady is "winning"? She is in hiding, getting injections of dead baby blood and steroids to get her propped up for tonite. Proof last night that the Conspiracy theory is Conspiracy FACT. The media and DNC were hand in hand to FIX the election through fake polls (done by over sampling clueless D party members and under-sampling Independents-- simple, and obvious), fake voters (dead and no citizens), falsely smearing Trump, and outright thuggery. Not only that, the Usurper has been implicated by visiting with one of the Thug Conspirators (the felon husband of an Illinois Congress-woman) OVER 300 times IN THE WHITE HOUSE. All this with the back-drop of the NYT and WAPO (Who 96% donate to the Crooked Old Lady) proclaiming that the Crooked Old Lady has already Won!!!!????


LANDSLIDE TRUMP the Grey Champion of the 4th Turning.
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD.

Mick said...

"Then he will never be President. If he wins the nomination, I'll NEVER vote for him. I don't need a pussy who won't fight on totally valid grounds".


Rubio is not even eligible (not a natural born citizen)--- he was born of NON US Citizen parents. He is a fraud, who's candidacy was meant to prop up the legacy of the Usurper and allow foreign influence into the White House.

buwaya puti said...

Damikesc,
You grasp the scale and nature of the problem.
Reform really is a matter of removing entire institutions, enormous ones, and it isnt merely the DOJ but the bulk of the FedGov.
This simply isnt practical, feasible.
Which is why I am pessimistic about reform.
Besides all the population-level negative trends.
It is worth a try, but the task is of mind-boggling scale and complexity, besides the prospect of enormous, extremely well funded opposition.

Michael The Magnificent said...

NBC News search for Robert Creamer: No pertinant results
NBC News search for Bob Creamer: No pertinant results
NBC News search for Scott Foval: No Results

ABC News search for Robert Creamer: No pertinant results
ABC News search for Bob Creamer: No pertinant results
ABC News search for Scott Foval: No pertinant results

CBS News search for Robert Creamer: No pertinant results
CBS News search for Bob Creamer: No pertinant results
CBS News search for Scott Foval: No Results

You would think that news of a major US political party employing an army of Brownshirts would be newsworthy, but apparently not if that party is the Democrat party.

Michael The Magnificent said...

Huh, my post got lost somewhere. Let's try this again.

NBC News search for Robert Creamer: No pertinant results
NBC News search for Bob Creamer: No pertinant results
NBC News search for Scott Foval: No Results

ABC News search for Robert Creamer: No pertinant results
ABC News search for Bob Creamer: No pertinant results
ABC News search for Scott Foval: No pertinant results

CBS News search for Robert Creamer: No pertinant results
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You would think that a major US political party employing an army of Brownshirts would be newsworthy, but apparently not if that party is the Democrat party.

Oh, and in case you're wondering what these Brownshirts have been up to, look for yourself.

Thanks go out to Obama, Hillary, and the DNC for bringing us down to Nazi Germany levels of political violence.

And to all of you Democrat voters and donors, don't think your hands are clean. Every one of you is responsible for this.

Birkel said...

buwaya puti:

The best thing to do is move entire sections of the federal government to a few hundred thousand small cities spread across the country. Depress housing prices in NOVA, DC and southern Maryland and disrupt the lives of federal workers. Make the federal workers meet the people they are regulating. And make the regulated people understand exactly the sort of Leviathan State that rules them.

This can be accomplished without Congressional approval within the normal budgeting process. Congress would be unable to block a president committed to these actions. And it would literally take hundreds of thousands of dollars out of the pockets of bureaucrats.

Then, too, it would be easier to reduce the size and scope of the government. The incentives to join the government would be fewer when one might be posted in BFE instead of NOVA. The money could be distributed and therefore harder to co-opt.

Capital City is a monopoly that must be disrupted. Start by spreading it thin.

Darrell said...

Mick is not a Moby. He believes what he says and is mostly correct. Just because Obama got away with his perfidy is no reflection on Mick. It might be a reflection on commenters who think that if someone is guilty, the "authorities" will do something about it.

Michael The Magnificent said...

Once more, but without all of the links to the search results (which may trigger a link spam flag?).

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You would think that a major US political party employing an army of Brownshirts would be newsworthy, but apparently not if that party is the Democrat party.

Oh, and in case you're wondering what these Brownshirts have been up to, look for yourself.

Thanks go out to Obama, Hillary, and the DNC for bringing us down to Nazi Germany levels of political violence.

And to all of you Democrat voters and donors, don't think your hands are clean. Every one of you is responsible for this.

buwaya said...

Hi Birkel,

This is an interesting suggestion, and in fact its not new. This has been an ongoing idea since the 1950's at least, and it has been in implementation to some degree for a very long time, purely circumstantially. And most Fed employees (by far) are not in fact residents of Washington/Maryland/NoVa. There are Federal gov outposts and installations everywhere.

Much of the argument was to spread around government spending. Some is for handling local business, some is just as you suggest, decentralization.

This is why, for instance, during the latest IRS scandal, the Teaparty orgs applications were being processed in Cincinnati, not Washington. Thats just how it is.

Now, you could argue that the HQ's of the various bureaucracies be moved. Thats what you really want to do, and these are relatively few entities. You could stick the DOJ in Amarillo, perhaps. But you are talking of a couple of dozen huge outfits, not thousands, because there already are thousands of locations.

What effect this could have I don't know. I suspect that corruption would simply follow. The problem really is the power. Their power would remain the same and modern communications will keep it that way regardless of where they are.

Birkel said...

I would have them living in FEMA trailers in North Dakota. And the feds do not have decision makers or policy gurus around the country. Those are in DC and they never meet anybody outside their own cadre of cloistered true believers.

I'm not talking about moving a few park rangers to BFE. I'm talking about moving Treasury Department policy wonks to Cheyenne.

buwaya said...

"Those are in DC and they never meet anybody outside their own cadre of cloistered true believers."

But if you move them all to Cheyenne they will probably just speak with each other anyway.

Heck, they could probably get a different perspective on anything at all in Washington DC by simply walking a few blocks, but they don't.

And if the power and money say that they must believe and act in a certain way then they will do so even in Cheyenne.

Birkel said...

Not all of them together, buwaya. I would move a dozen here and a handful there. I would require -- as part of a Green initiative -- that they telecommute from inside FEMA trailers.

I would make their cushy lives harder. And much more interesting, in ways that people do not prefer.

And I would be perfectly within my legal rights to do so. No union protections for a moved office.

Birkel said...

Give me some credit for deviousness and deliberation.

buwaya said...

Well, I am not going to question your deviousness, but I have my doubts re feasibility.

At any rate, the disruption of the move could certainly delay or slow down the rate of rule making and distract them from oppressing the people, for a while anyway.

Birkel said...

I doubt my current power to do much. But not my plans if ever given a shot.