September 12, 2016

Hey, Trump supporters: You should resist the "Weekend at Bernie's" joking about Hillary's stumbling, collapsing walk.

It's too much like something that is already a problem for Trump: Mocking the disabled.



Whether that's really mocking a disabled person or not, it is perceived as a gap in decency and empathy, and further humor of that type is going to fit the confirmation-bias template about him.

108 comments:

dreams said...

I don't believe he mocked the disabled.

http://www.catholics4trump.com/even-more-video-evidence-trump-did-not-mock-reporters-disability/

AllenS said...

Trump already addressed Hillary's health problem, by saying: " I hope she gets well, gets back on the trail & we'll see her at the debate."

Bill Peschel said...

What if we show the poster with Anderson Cooper on one side and Andrea Mitchell on the other? Would that help?

Christopher B said...

In what sense of the word is Hillary disabled? Taking her minion's statements at face value she has an infection and is expected to recover.

Trump is striking the right tone himself but his supporters need to keep pounding Hillary on this. Without keeping her health issues in front of people constantly her camp probably would have been able to get away with 'fainted from dehydration' lie.

sinz52 said...

A lot of American politics is motivated by a primitive urge for revenge:

"The Right mocked Ted Kennedy's death, so let's mock Scalia's death."

"The Left mocked Reagan's Alzheimer's, so let's mock Hillary's pneumonia[or whatever it is]."

Brando said...

All Trump has to do here is release his own health records (the real ones, not the phony crap about his "tremendous" health) and let Team Hillary flail about. Then say something about how their story keeps changing.

Mockery here is a bad idea--Hillary does her best when people feel sympathy for her and people already think Trump is a bully. If he stays on message this could make up his deficit.

Will his handlers control him or are they going to let Trump be Trump?

Curious George said...

She didn't stumble Althouse. She couldn't walk at all. She collapsed.

rhhardin said...

It's the That's-Not-Funny universal women's position, with the threat of voting for Hillary instead of the threat of withheld sex.

There's lots of amusing analogies. Iowahawk has a lot of them.

I put Hillary's troubles to eating junk food. 7-11, never forget.

Brando said...

"Trump already addressed Hillary's health problem, by saying: " I hope she gets well, gets back on the trail & we'll see her at the debate.""

If he stays on that theme he's in good shape. Team Hillary is flailing now because even if this is just poorly timed pneumonia, it focuses people on an image of weakness, and any dissembling by her staff just feeds the "why is she hiding something" theme. Making this about Trump right now would be a big mistake.

rhhardin said...

Women's jokes don't have punchlines. That would be too definite.

khesanh0802 said...

The Clinton camp's response is such an obvious lie that the best response at this moment is to let it fester. As many point out, regardless of what the "elites" say or think the American people are not completely stupid.

khesanh0802 said...

Also the collapse into the car is so" Weekend at Bernie's" that even the leftist of left wingers can't miss it. Once you get over your shock at the event it's a great joke. Do we have to lose our sense of humor just 'cause it will upset the Dems?

rhhardin said...

It gets the emails off the front pages.

Actually emails got treason off the front pages, so we're several levels deep in getting stuff off the front pages.

She'll find something to top her health as well.

The important thing is to keep everything off the front pages in succession.

You'd think after ten sins you'd get a repeat, though.

rhhardin said...

The urgency of global discomfort index.

Chris said...

You wouldn't want to appear healthist would you? How dare you mock someone who does not have good health. She cant help that her health is poor. Why should only the healthy be able to run for president? There's nothing wrong with people of poor health.

traditionalguy said...

When first she practices to deceive, what a pneumonia web she weaves.

Poor old Hilary is stuck in her own web defending the cover story of bacterial pneumonia disease, which she does not have. But Huma will have to drag out the oxygen tent and antibiotics Rx and keep her in bed.

But the Tom Toms are beating over at the Obama Party where its guru Axelrod is tweeting out she is losing because she cannot be cured of her keeping secrets disease.

rehajm said...

...it is perceived as a gap in decency and empathy, and further humor of that type is going to fit the confirmation-bias template about him.

We've arrived at a place where it's reasonable to question if that matters.

Kristian Holvoet said...

How about, "Unlike my opponent, I love children and would never knowingly endanger them with a a dangerous, infectious disease"? Would that be out of line?

rhhardin said...

I haven't bought Weekend at Bernie's because it sounded like one of those most hilarious ever things that isn't at all funny anywhere. Just overacting. On the other hand, it's a cultural classic.

But then I couldn't make it through Caddyshack and that's a classic too. Or Idiocracy.

Too much of one joke.

Ron Snyder said...

Is it acceptable that I wish Hillary would have died yesterday? She has forfeited her life by her consistent lying, cheating, criminal acts in her thirty years of hurting America.

MadisonMan said...

Mocking a political candidate for any weakness is a-ok.

Sure, there might be feigned and false outrage. But only by Democratic hacks who are kicking themselves for nominating someone in such poor health.

fivewheels said...

Trump should avoid making fun of Clinton's enfeeblement. The rest of us are under no obligations, though.

traditionalguy said...

The Debate will be exciting. Will Biden walk out instead of Illery and become her proxy.

rhhardin said...

What's disturbing about hearing drums is that a guitar solo is coming.

Kristian Holvoet said...

"The Right mocked Ted Kennedy's death, so let's mock Scalia's death."

Because he loved Mary Jo Kopechne jokes ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaiTipTtbak ), I think he would approve of jokes about his death, no?

chickelit said...

What about Hillary's blatant mocking of the disabled? I'm referring to the time when she did the head jerk thing in response to reporters' questions. That was either a real episode or a mocking jestuure.

The Cracker Emcee said...

This reminds me of your Obamaphones post, Althouse. But in this case I believe you're wrong. Mocking some poor, ignorant Black woman may inspire revulsion. Mocking the corrupt, wealthy, and powerful always strikes a chord, however much their guardians may feign outrage.

traditionalguy said...

To atone for his maleness, Trump should make a big contribution to The Parkinson's Disease Foundation in Hillary's name.

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rhhardin said...

The second google result for "sick liar jokes" is "Hillary Clinton Jokes."

Jason said...

I don't always have bacterial pneumonia.

BUT WHEN I DO, I GO PLAY WITH MY NEWBORN GRANDCHILD!

dreams said...

"All Trump has to do here is release his own health records (the real ones, not the phony crap about his "tremendous" health) and let Team Hillary flail about. Then say something about how their story keeps changing."

It would be stupid for Trump to release his health records without Hillary releasing her's. The crooked liberal media would seize on some minor health issue and create a false equivalence to Hillary's poor health.

Brando said...

"The Right mocked Ted Kennedy's death, so let's mock Scalia's death."

Did anyone actually mock Kennedy's death? If I recall most of us made Chappaquiddick comments, or maybe pushed back on all the obits that made it seem like he was a living saint. But I don't recall any "rest in hell" type remarks.

As for Scalia, there was a lot of leftist gloating now that they had a new opening on the court, and negative comments about the sort of justice he was. But that was about it.

There was and still is a lot of nasty jokes about Reagan's Alzheimers though.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

It should be said, shouldn't it, that Trump himself has been disciplined and on-message w/r/t not making fun of Clinton's episode...at least so far, right?

Brando said...

"It would be stupid for Trump to release his health records without Hillary releasing her's. The crooked liberal media would seize on some minor health issue and create a false equivalence to Hillary's poor health."

If his are fine, then why not? Not releasing them just makes the left say "why should Hillary release hers when he won't release his" and speculate about what he's hiding.

Besides, releasing them now gives him something to pivot to when they ask about his tax returns.

rehajm said...

We hold Trump accountable for the actions of others: Trump is responsible for people who mock Hillary or people who commit violence and disruption at his speeches.

Like him or not we sure are treating him like he's The President.

rhhardin said...

The eternal question is what do men have to fake to get the women's vote.

This wasn't a problem when only men voted.

Matthew Sablan said...

Eh, I assumed she was just being secretive as that's the nature of politics. Points to everyone who said it was a health problem. They were right; I was wrong.

AReasonableMan said...

rhhardin said...
I haven't bought Weekend at Bernie's because it sounded like one of those most hilarious ever things that isn't at all funny anywhere.


This is sacrilege. It will not go unavenged.

Unfortunately, I know very little about romantic comedies.

Birkel said...

Explain again why FDR kept his own health issues secret. Do we celebrate that deception?

rhhardin said...

Women's health get lots of women's votes.

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Flashback: Obama Ad Mocks McCain as Old & Out of Touch - McCain supporter say ad makes fun of McCain's physical disabilities (from wartime injuries & torture suffered as a POW)

Just, you know; just sayin'.

Matthew Sablan said...

Flashier Back: The moment I lost respect for fellow Delawarean Biden is when he called the Obama campaign out on insulting McCain that way, and then let himself be forced to issue a retraction.

Kristian Holvoet said...

If his are fine, then why not? Not releasing them just makes the left say "why should Hillary release hers when he won't release his" and speculate about what he's hiding.

Because even very minor issues can be made (progandized) to sound horrific. Basal Cell Carcenomia is 'trivial' skin cancer, usually treated with the pleasing procdure called 'Scrape and Burn' (use a razor, remove the top layer of skin, the cauterize it). Essentially no risk. Trump has fair skin and reddish hair, and would be very susceptible to that. If he had even one spot reomved, what would the headlines be? "TRUMP TREATED FOR CANCER!"

Hell, they could make a hangnail a partial amputation.


A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
- WOPR

Hagar said...

Hillary did not "stumble." They had her propped up on that bollard, and when it came time to walk, she could not do it. Her legs buckled under her and she collapsed forward and would have made a faceplant into the gutter if they had not caught her. They did not "throw her like a side of beef," but the collapse was a surprise to the guards by the SUV, so they just barely caught her in time and guided her forward to land in the car seat. Quite undignified, but not intentionally rough handled.

jacksonjay said...

Trump actually, really, truly did say a few days ago that he would release his tax returns "immediately" if Hillary releases her emails. Of course, those are the same tax returns that can't be released because he's under audit.
I know, I know, he really, really didn't really say what he really said! That's just something I thought I heard him say cause that's what I really wanted to hear.

dreams said...

"They did not "throw her like a side of beef,"

You don't know that. Watch the video and you will see that she is surrounded and can't be seen on the video being put in the van.

Curious George said...

"Brando said...
Did anyone actually mock Kennedy's death? If I recall most of us made Chappaquiddick comments, or maybe pushed back on all the obits that made it seem like he was a living saint. But I don't recall any "rest in hell" type remarks."

I did. Unabashedly. I not only cheered his death but hoped it hurt. There is no hell too great for that piece of shit...who allowed a young woman to not drown but suffocate...because he thought true knowledge of his involvement might hurt his future POTUS chances.

jaydub said...

Not a Trump supporter here, but anyone like Hillary who so comfortably lies to the American people, including her supporters, is worthy of nothing but contempt. Yesterday, those lies progressed from "overheated" to "dehydrated" to "pneumonia" as she fumbled for a lie the press would swallow. Obviously, there's something wrong with her that she must consider to be disqualifying, so she's going to continue to try to run out the clock before the public finds out. When did that kind of deceit and deception ever earn anyone sympathy?

Birkel said...

Brandon the Concern Troll is a less interesting commenter than I remember regular old Brando was.

Oh well.

Matthew Sablan said...

"Of course, those are the same tax returns that can't be released because he's under audit."

-- He *can* release them, but has been advised not to. He's willing to take that risk if she releases her emails. Which she won't do because she illegally destroyed some of them.

Matthew Sablan said...

Again: I'm not a Trump supporter, but that line about her emails was well played.

MayBee said...

After trying yesterday to agree that yes, why indeed it was pretty hot at the memorial service, only to be usurped by the pneumonia announcement, some in the press are now trying to say, "oh, by the way, members of Hillary's staff have also gotten pneumonia lately". Is that helpful? Hillary went to be with her grandchildren and then hugged a little girl. Hillary was in close proximity to people at the 9/11 memorial.

If this pneumonia is spreading around her campaign, shouldn't Hillary not be out Typhoid Mary-ing?

They need to get their story together.

samsondale said...

Trump supporters don't need to make jokes about Hillary's "down goes Frazier" moment; they just need to keep the video in circulation.

Jupiter said...

jacksonjay said...

"Trump actually, really, truly did say a few days ago ...."

Whatever, JJ. Get used to it. She's toast. What's your favorite kind of toast? French toast? Rye toast? Garlic toast?

She's toast, JJ. Stick a fork in her, she's done.

Big Mike said...

@Althouse, I need to calibrate your sensitivities.

Glenn Reynolds just linked to the following tweet: "If Hillary cannot make it through a 9/11 ceremony, how is she supposed to make it through an actual 9/11?" In your estimation is that inappropriate humor? Or is it merely a pertinent observation posed as a question?

Then there's this proposed update to Hillary's logo. Is this inappropriate in your eyes? Your faithful commentators need to know.

The situation is grave. If elected, is it likely that Hillary Clinton will be healthy enough to carry out the duties of the office of President of the United States? Or is she more likely to be incapacitated for lengthy periods of time and possibly die in office? Humor is one way to point out that a sober assessment of her health is needed. Does Hillary Clinton have an advanced case of Parkinson's Disease, as at least one qualified doctor has pointed out? (This diagnosis is consistent with her public symptoms, right down to the coughing and pneumonia from an inability to swallow properly.) Are you ready to discuss this issue, Professor, with or without barbed humor?

walter said...

He must have been having a neurological episode. Slow it down..repeat it.

Brando said...

"Brandon the Concern Troll is a less interesting commenter than I remember regular old Brando was."

Concern trolling? I'm not pretending to like Trump. My opinion on him vs. Hillary is disinterested.

jacksonjay said...

Surprise, Surprise! Trump has really, really said he can't, he's been advised not to , and he will release when audits are complete! So like most things The Master Persuader says, there's something for everyone! I'm a NeverEither and agree that Trump, if he continues to control his tongue, is the winner. I will add that Conway is a traditional, establishment Republican leading him to victory!

So, whatever!

Brando said...

"Hell, they could make a hangnail a partial amputation."

They can try to make hay out of something minor, but it's far less effective than what they can put in your head when you're holding back.

Look at Hillary's Goldman Sachs speeches that she won't release (or even ask Goldman to release). What do you suppose is really in there? Now, it could be some slightly embarrassing stuff about "how much good big finance" has been, or her sympathy with entities like Goldman, but far worse is what we can imagine when she won't release them. We can picture her mocking the OWS and populist nonsense, and promising to keep the tax laws favorable for fund managers. We can picture a great quotable moment like her promising to be their advocate in the White House.

What's in there has to be worse than what most people are going to figure is in there when you're hiding it.

Michael said...

I read that not only was she healthy but that she could attribute that health to a diet of lean meats and fruits and veggies. That came, I believe, from her doctor.

Hillary, like many who claim to eat lean meats and fruits and veggies is as big as a barn.

dreams said...

"They can try to make hay out of something minor, but it's far less effective than what they can put in your head when you're holding back."

Trump is out campaigning everywhere, its obvious that he is healthy compared to Hillary.
No need to give the crooked liberal media info about his enlarged prostrate or any other age related minor health issues that they could demagogue.

mockturtle said...

rhhardin: Did some woman--maybe your mother--tweak your testicles when you were young? You seem to have a real problem.

mockturtle said...

Curious George boldly stated: I did. Unabashedly. I not only cheered his death but hoped it hurt. There is no hell too great for that piece of shit...who allowed a young woman to not drown but suffocate...because he thought true knowledge of his involvement might hurt his future POTUS chances.

He was a despicable person. In fact, the whole Kennedy clan [with the possible exception of Rose] is a bad lot. The media loved them, though. And that's what really matters.

Tommy Duncan said...

There is a basket full of deplorable pneumonphobes on this thread.

eric said...

Look, I want only the best for Hillary Clinton. Let's be honest here. Campaigning for President of the United States is tough! It ages you. How the hell Trump manages to do it and look like he is having a great time I've got no clue. But most everyone else feels the stress. Even Romney did.

But the thing that's worse than campaigning? Actually being President.

Hillary isn't evil. She is just wrong. But just because she is wrong doesn't mean we should hate her. She needs our love and compassion.

In that light, anyone who votes for her must really hate her and want her dead. Shame on you. Hillary just can't take it. Leave her alone! Let her retire.

Sometimes we have to act in others best interest even when they don't want us to. Ask Hillary, she will tell you! It takes a village people.

And we need to do what's right for Hillary. Vote Trump.

holdfast said...

If Trump somehow wins this thing, Kellyanne Conway should be feted as the most effective campaign manager, ever.

Hey feminists - maybe you missed it, but the campaign manager for the GOP candidate for President is a woman. And she's doing a much better job than all the men who previously held the post. Isn't this an achievement for women?

Lyle Smith said...

There is no conversation of Hillary's episode on Reddit. Very strange.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

Hillary's and Trump's health is an important factor.

To mock or make a big deal about the physical disability or health of a random person is something that is uncalled for, rude, boorish. It is not any business of ours since that random person is not in charge of anything or will be affecting our lives.

HOWEVER, the health of the next person to be the President of the United States is of utmost importance. The Presidency is a highly stressful occupation and the person in that office needs to be able to withstand the stress. Able to act appropriately, quickly, intelligently, with full facilities to make crucial decisions that may be life or death decisions. Deciding and acting on things that can affect millions of people.

The health, mental and physical of the President IS our business.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Now that's the cruelly neutral Althouse we know and mistrust! "Hey deplorables, you better not try using Hillary's collapse against her- it makes you look bad!" Sure thing, we'll all just shut up and pretend she's the good witch.... Cause being nice and respectful is how democrats win elections. Thanks for the advice!

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

I'm sure the MSM will be assuring us soon that Hillary is the healthiest elderly pneumonia patient the world has ever seen.

Birkel said...

Perhaps this song was written 30 years too early.

Because Leftist collectivists always act with the appropriate concern for political opponents, whom they consider enemies.

Unilateral disarmament is a terrible strategy.

William said...

Just at a glance it seems that Trump is healthier and more energetic than Hillary. That's why it's important to listen to CNN. They took pains to point out that Trump is two years older than Hillary, has a flaky personal MD, is on Lipitor, and has not released his tax returns. So once again, as in so many other areas, fair minded people are forced to conclude that Hillary has the advantage.

Real American said...

Weekend at Hillary's was already the perfect comparison except now it won't just be the media who will be propping her up.

Real American said...

The leftists had John McCain with one foot in the grave in 2008. It's their playbook. They can't complain now the shoe is on the other foot.

Night Owl said...

Trump and his campaign would definitely be foolish to mock Hillary over her ill-health. But if Hillary is unhealthy-- and in that video she sure looks ill-- if she is not healthy enough for the stress of holding the most powerful office in the world, the voters have a right to know. His campaign needs to approach the issue with tact -- is Trump capable of that?-- but it needs to be talked about.

As for his supporters, well of course Trump is held to account for his supporters, unlike Dem candidates who are never made to. The Clinton camp and her minions in the media will highlight the "nastiness" of Trump supporters, which may turn off some sensitive younger voters. (Trump haters will, of course, feign outrage, but who cares; they were never going to vote for him anyway.) But older voters know this tactic of blaming the Republican candidate for every mean comment on the internet is bullshit. As you said in another post, it is a tradition to mock the powerful. Politics is not for the faint of heart -- no pun intended.

The other issue regarding that video is how it will affect the undecided voter. Is the visceral impact of seeing her weakness something that will instill confidence in her as the future commander-in-chief? Scott Adams says her campaign is effectively over. It may well be. There are reasons why leaders and wanna-be leaders wish to keep their afflictions hidden.

Michael The Magnificent said...

"If Hillary cannot make it through a 9/11 ceremony, how is she supposed to make it through an actual 9/11?"

She didn't make it through Benghazi. Didn't get them the added security they asked for beforehand, didn't answer the 3AM call when they asked for help while they were under attack (“They are spinning up as we speak.” U.S. Department of Defense Chief of Staff Jeremy Bash Tuesday, September 11, 2012, 7:19 PM). Then she lied about the reason for the attack, and blamed someone else. Make sure her patsy was thrown in jail. Then she destroyed subpoenaed emails with BleachBit.

She is both inept, unqualified, immoral, and unethical. She should be in jail.

Beach Brutus said...

Ridicule has always been an effective part of political campaigns. In 1980 the Democrats and their media allies addressed the merits of Reagan's proposals less than they called him an amiable dunce or reckless cowboy. And how many images did they employ that included Bonzo?

When the stakes are as high as the Presidency, and the candidates have voluntarily stepped into the arena. they can expect their qualifications to be questioned in high, low, and middlebrow manners.

Thorley Winston said...

What I want to know is: assuming that Mrs. Clinton was in fact diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday, how many people did she spread it to (including the child she “spontaneously” hugged for the cameras) before she saw fit to let people know that she had a serious contagious disease?

CWJ said...

"Sometimes we have to act in others best interest even when they don't want us to. Ask Hillary, she will tell you! It takes a village people."

All of them, or just the cop and cowboy?

Quaestor said...

I don't take pleasure in Hillary's suffering (mendacity). In fact, I sympathize with anyone afflicted with an incurable disease (obloquy), even the karmic ones. What I find extraordinarily risible are the Sisyphean labors of her handlers and her legion of myrmidons in the MSM to cover up the facts and distort the obvious truth, which is why I found the famous "Dead Parrot" Python sketch so applicable. The parrot itself isn't funny (white lie), but the struggles of the pet shop owner to avoid restitution are.

Hagar said...

It strikes me that if there was a pneumonia epidemic raging among Hillary!'s entorage, it should have been a nws story before now.

Quaestor said...

It strikes me that if there was a pneumonia epidemic raging among Hillary!'s entourage...

Which is why the pneumonia is just a consequence of a much greater health problem. Aspiration pneumonia is not communicable.

Yancey Ward said...

Trump could probably get away with mocking Clinton's health openly because they are peers, but the smarter play seems to be what he is employing- sympathy.

Commentators are free to mock at will- it won't affect it the outcome of the election.

bigkat said...

that slur against trump was debunked a week ago hes done the exact same jerry lewis shtick when criticizing incompetent generals and other able bodied persons. as dreams so correctly posted the link to.

bigkat said...

p.s. the Hill has a nice article inre Tim Kaines left of left pedigree

Night Owl said...

I just saw this cartoon via Scott Adam's twitter feed.

If the "New Yorker" is willing to run with that theme, can it really still be used to bash Trump and his supporters?

Although I still agree that Trump and his campaign should not go this path. There is no need to go so low. The video of Hillary speaks for itself.

Ron Winkleheimer said...

Trump is out campaigning everywhere, its obvious that he is healthy compared to Hillary.

On the Today Show this morning they were trying to minimize the episode and brought up that Trump had not released his medical records and therefore we didn't know the state of his health.

I remarked to my wife that we know one thing about the state of Trump's health. We know that he didn't collapse at the 9/11 memorial ceremony and have to be held up by two strong men who physically placed her into a van while her feet dragged along the pavement.

WisRich said...

Night Owl said...
I just saw this cartoon via Scott Adam's twitter feed.

If the "New Yorker" is willing to run with that theme, can it really still be used to bash Trump and his supporters?

Who knew that the New Yorker was a Trump supporter.

khesanh0802 said...

We are not the only one's who think "Weekend at Bernie's" is appropriate. Link

khesanh0802 said...

@ Night Owl. Thanks for the link. Great!

Curious George said...

"Ron Winkleheimer said...
Trump is out campaigning everywhere, its obvious that he is healthy compared to Hillary.

On the Today Show this morning they were trying to minimize the episode and brought up that Trump had not released his medical records and therefore we didn't know the state of his health.

I remarked to my wife that we know one thing about the state of Trump's health. We know that he didn't collapse at the 9/11 memorial ceremony and have to be held up by two strong men who physically placed her into a van while her feet dragged along the pavement."

That would go for everyone BUT the Hildabeast. Lots and lots of people in dark suits. Many as old or older then Hillary. Trump. Guiliani. How many took the dive. I'll bet ZERO.

JAORE said...

"Look at Hillary's Goldman Sachs speeches that she won't release (or even ask Goldman to release). What do you suppose is really in there?"

All we know is that Hillary says she scolded them on their bad behavior.

Let's see, being scolded for bad behavior, paying big bucks for the scolding, and everything being kept hush hush? And doing it over and over...

Was leather involved? Whips? Ball gags?

Or, just as an option, just a wild thought really, she lied. So, of course she can not release the transcripts without the oh-you-naughty-boys part. Kind of like the serial lies about e-mails that drip, drippy, dripped out over the past several months. Lie after lie, after lie.

Gusty Winds said...

Although I want her to lose, and lose big time, I actually felt a little bad watching the video yesterday. It's tough to watch any human being struggle, and she was struggling.

It made me wonder how much money is actually riding on Hillary, and whether or not she is just a puppet candidate. Do the money people care if she lives, or wrecks herself from exhaustion and her mysterious condition? They just want her to live long enough to win the election and take the oath. After that, they don't care. Bring on the Tim Kaine puppet.

Now, in full disclosure, I didn't feel that bad. Especially when I read somebody's article referring to Hillary's 9/11 ceremony exit as an "Irish Good-Bye".

Bill Peschel said...

Fortunately, some "comic" writer over at the S.F. Chronicle posted a fake front page with "Hillary is dead" conspiracy, linking the pneumonia-caused health concerns with the "Paul Is Dead" hoax from four decades ago.

Redresses the balance somewhat.

Kelly said...

Because there were no jokes when Bush choked on a pretzel.

AReasonableMan said...

Blogger holdfast said...
If Trump somehow wins this thing, Kellyanne Conway should be feted as the most effective campaign manager, ever.


I think her success was somewhat predictable. It was clear from descriptions of Trump's organization that he was more comfortable with women in positions of power. He is a bit brittle. He needs to dominate other men whereas he is more willing to listen to women. If he wins he may as well have a cabinet of only women since he will only waste time in dominance battles with any men.

Rhythm and Balls said...

Beg to differ. The disabled person that Trump mocked was actually up front about what was wrong with him. Hillary's problem is that she lies and hides, and those lies and secrets will catch up to her sooner or later. Why was she kicked off the Watergate committee again?

Balfegor said...

Trump really ought to play the gentleman with respect to Clinton's illness. He can call out that, for example, even if he thinks she's "crooked," he still hopes she gets some rest and gets better. Because she's not a witch and she's not a monster. He invited her to his (upteenth) wedding, albeit before all the seamy business with the emails and the Clinton foundations came to light, and you don't generally invite monsters to your wedding. Gives him the opportunity to undercut the, ah, "overheated" rhetoric coming from Clinton II's team, by reminding the voters that Clinton and Clinton II have been pretty chummy with him over the years, regardless of the words they're mouthing now.

exiledonmainstreet said...

"Hillary's problem is that she lies and hides, and those lies and secrets will catch up to her sooner or later."

Not with the media covering for her. The only reason we even know about her latest "medical episode" is because an ordinary person was able to record it without being noticed. She will not be betrayed by the media; however, she is being betrayed by her own body. Her handlers must be terrified that she will have a seizure at an highly inconvenient time (like during the debates) and they won't be able to pretend that it's just heat exhaustion or allergies or dehydration or rockin' pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu. She's lying and hiding but her body is telling the truth.

exiledonmainstreet said...

Balfegor said...
Trump really ought to play the gentleman with respect to Clinton's illness. He can call out that, for example, even if he thinks she's "crooked," he still hopes she gets some rest and gets better."

I believe that is what he has said thus far. That and he doesn't know what is wrong with her.

I think his handlers probably had him tied up with a ball gag in his mouth yesterday to prevent him from doing his damn tweeting.

gadfly said...

Hillary's people need to get upbeat about her disease. Pneumonia is just too plain jane, so I would suggest "Walkin' Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu."

Jonathan Graehl said...

Trump's charting the right course right now, which is just as you say. His 'deplorables', on the other hand, are entitled to a little gloating, aren't they?

SukieTawdry said...

I'm not a Trump supporter so I claim an exemption from this rule. I don't want Hillary Clinton anywhere near the White House. If it takes a major illness to prevent it, so be it. If on the other hand, she should choose to retire from politics, she should live and be well with her grandchildren. Voters have a right to know if someone who would be president has a debilitating disease. I've had it with 25 years of lies and deception from this woman. She obviously believes there is nothing more important than her becoming president. She's wrong.

Bruce Hayden said...

I do not see the point with playing nice with Crooked Hillary. She isn't a nice person. Many of those supporting her aren't nice people. It was just sit fine when they made fun of John McCain III and the first injures that disabled him as a POW at the Hanoi Hilton. Instead of serving in that war honorably, Crooked Hillary was consorting with known communists. This is the woman who sold American foreign policy for Clinton cash, and hid it by illegally using an insecure private email server, tablet, and smart phones, to send and receive classified information, much of it overseas, while traveling those million miles. Whose people had the server bleach bitted after its contents had been ordered produced by Congress. The woman in charge of destroying the lives and reputations of the women her sexual predator husband attacked. Who laughed when she got a rapist off the hook. Who was instrumental in the failure of Madison Federal as the head lawyer enabling the pyramid scheme transactions. Etc. there is nothing redeeming or good about the woman, except, maybe, that she is a mother and grandmother.

Taking the high road should be fine. It is the good and noble thing to do. But the Dems and the left always cheat, and will win at any cost. If positions were reversed, and it were Trump, and not Clinton, who had the medical issues, the negative coverage would be wall to wall. And what do we have for this double standard? A runaway federal govt, a doubling of the national debt over the last 10 years, much of the Mideast in flames, with the blood of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands on the hands of Obama and Clinton. And with that violence spilling over into terrorism becoming a routine occurance in Europe. These people are evil, and will lie, cheat, and steal to gain and maintain power. Every time you take the high road, you make it just that much easier for them to do just that.

Brando said...

"I do not see the point with playing nice with Crooked Hillary. She isn't a nice person. Many of those supporting her aren't nice people."

It's not about playing nice, and certainly not about playing nice because Hillary deserves nice treatment. It's about recognizing when you have a good issue working in your favor, and helping it fester rather than hijacking it into a story refocusing attention on "some crazy thing Trump said today" which has been his pattern. Saying something like "I'm worried about her health" drives home the point that she may be sicker than her lying campaign lets on; adding "her campaign should come clean about this" is even better--reminds everyone of the lying, which they already associate Hillary with (part of her own pattern). Also, the longer people are talking about her being sick, the more she becomes associated subconsciously with weakness--a good way to frame the election.

What would be a dumb move? Anything over the top, or even distracting--like "weak Hillary, can't even walk properly!" or "can we get back to talking about how much I love Putin?" That's the sort of save the Clinton campaign looks for, and it changes the story.

damikesc said...

The leftists had John McCain with one foot in the grave in 2008. It's their playbook. They can't complain now the shoe is on the other foot.

And good on his daughter for very vocally calling them on it. They had no problem discussing how horrible McCain's health was --- but Hillary's health is an unfair issue?

McCain was a horrible candidate for plenty of reasons --- his health was not a big one for me since he showed no signs of medical difficulties while running or governing for years.

Harold said...

The New Yorker cartoon made it into my facebook feed within hours of being published. And I shared it. And two of my friends shared my share. Everyone but her most diehard supporters is making fun of her situation.

Couldn't happen to a nicer person.