May 6, 2016

"He’s trying, and honestly, he’s trying and I will tell you what, I honestly think he understands that building and unifying and growing the party is the only way we’re going to win. And I think he gets that."

Said Reince Priebus.
Priebus also suggested that Trump would pivot into general election mode but that it might take some time, remarking that in private, the candidate is "far more gracious and personable than I think you see at rallies."...

[Priebus] rejected the notion that Trump's campaign would assume a firm grip over the convention process, saying people on the candidate's team have shown "no indication" of seeking control of the party.... "It's the party's party."
ADDED: The quote in the post title is talking about Trump as if he's a child.

100 comments:

mikee said...

Mr. Priebus has yet to accept what just happened. The Republican Party did not get hijacked by an outsider, it got ignored into oblivion.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Hmmm, nothing about the conspiracy between the Obama administration and the democrat party media to sell the Iran nuclear deal to the American public based on lies? Guess the really important thing is to blame Trump for the length of your paragraphs, and to fixate on Trump, what Trump says, what Trump thinks, what critics think about what Trump thinks Trump said...

victoria said...


Can i hear a bull@#$%????


vicki from Pasadena

Achilles said...

Priebus is an apparatchik. He has a job and the only requirement of that job is keeping the party wheels turning. I don't think he cares if we have a border or not. I have no worries about him.

The problem is the Romney wing of the party pays the bills. Paul Ryan does want open borders. They all want obamacare in place. They want government to grow every year. The donors give the Republican party money to accomplish those goals.

Priebus just wants to keep the lights on. He would have to get a real job if they don't make some kind of deal.

Drew W said...

"It's the party's party."

And presumably it'll cry if it wants to.

Marty Keller said...

I honestly question the honesty of someone who keeps interlacing "honestly" throughout his remarks. Honestly.

pfennig said...

"The truth is you're the weak. And I'm the tyranny of evil men. But I'm tryin', Ringo. I'm tryin' real hard to be the shepherd." Jules, Pulp Fiction

n.n said...

So, there it is. An admission of party. Well, you go to war with the party you have.

Achilles said...

Bush and Graham have bugged out. Graham has 4 years before reelection and Bush is done. Romney is all in for Hillary.

What is Paul Ryan going to do? The open borders crowd is bailing out. If he keeps selling out the country he will lose the speakership and be primaried. Can Paul Ryan be a part of a party that puts Americans ahead of his donors?

rcocean said...

Bush, Graham, Ryan, and Romney would rather have Hillary than Trump. It just shows the RINO label was 100 percent correct.

McCain would be out there saying the same thing, but he needs to win in November, so he's still pretending to be a conservative. So, he lets his daughter speak for him.

They'd rather have one of the most liberal Presidents ever, who might appoint 3 SCOTUS judges, than support someone who opposes Open borders and the billionaire Donors.

rcocean said...

What's great is that no one liked Graham or McCain or Jeb except those in the DC bubble and and a few in their states.

Does Trump really want Romney or Lindseed out there campaigning for him?

Better to have them opposing him.

rcocean said...

Mitt the biggest liar in American Politics. But he seems like a nice guy.

Sad.

knox said...

"Bush, Graham, Ryan, and Romney would rather have Hillary than Trump"

To be fair, Trump roundly trashed the Bushes, so they get a bye, IMO. The rest of them...

YoungHegelian said...

"...far more gracious and personable than I think you see at rallies.".

No shit. Do you think that even in big, bad NYC real estate deals get put together if some arrogant clown waltzes into the room & tells everyone present "Gentlemen, I'm here to piss down your backs & tell you it's raining"? That may very well be the reality of it in the end (generally, the back-pissing is in secret & reciprocated).

Trump knows how to behave. I mean, in all his years attending galas has he ever walked up to a young lady with a nice set in a low cut gown & said "Wow! Those are nice! Fish 'em out & let's have a look at 'em." Nope. I don't think so, or else we'd know about it.

So, the question is: why the shtick at the rallies? How did he discover "well, it works..."?

Achilles said...

McCain is whining because hispanics in Arizona are mad. Over an insistence that we have a border.

Get. The. Fuck. Out.

M Jordan said...

Trump kicked in the door to the Dead Politicians Society clubhouse. The rotten boards collapsed in a moldy spray of wet splinters He shined a flashlight within. The cockroaches scurried for the dark recesses.

Some Dead Politician Society members got arthritically up, and escaped the vile lair. Others slunk into the corners like Boo Radley from Scout Finch's greeting. Mitt Romney took a dump on the floor and dared Trump to step in it. "I drove 500 miles with a dog on my car," he snarled. Trump blinked in amazement.

The camera faded to black, a Trump commercial appeared on the screen, and America was saved.

Sebastian said...

@YH: "why the shtick at the rallies?" As the resident physician here has told us, and others have amply illustrated, he knew what voters were "thinking."

Achilles said...

John Roberts will be out soon saying that he doesn't trust Trump to make good supreme court nominations. Souter and Kenedy will be at the podium with him.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

the question is: why the shtick at the rallies? How did he discover "well, it works..."?

You can be gracious, personable, and charismatic when in a one on one interaction or with a small group where you are persuading them to accept your 'deals'. That works. It doesn't work in a venue where you have thousands...tens of thousands of people who you are trying to persuade. You need to be big...BIGGER and exude the charisma. Everyone, even those at the back of the stadium need to feel the light, the power, the charisma. You need to be expansive and more than you ever would in a small crowd.

I used to entertain, sing and play guitar. Did some USO shows and other venues where there were literally thousands of people. My make up was extreme. Something that I would never ever wear in person. Red exaggerated lipstick, heavy eye makeup, big fluttery fake eyelashes, red almost neon nail polish. Exagerated expansive hand gestures. If you didn't exaggerate, you looked washed out and the people in the back were not very impressed.

This is what Trump is doing. Crowd control and public speaking 101.

Dan Hossley said...

The Republican party is undergoing a realignment. The old guys don't like that because their pretty comfortable with the way things are. I seem to remember that the old guard weren't keen on Reagan either. But they eventually got on board, lest they find themselves with no seat at the table.

Trump is no Reagan, but he is Trump. It's about time for a realignment in the party. Many democrats think it's their time for change also, but it's not to be this time. You don't get much more establishment than Bill and Hillary. I that regard, Trump is fortunate in his opponent. Hillary has a long record of failure in just about everything she does, except investing in cattle futures. She's real good at that.

YoungHegelian said...

@DBQ,

My make up was extreme. Something that I would never ever wear in person. Red exaggerated lipstick, heavy eye makeup, big fluttery fake eyelashes, red almost neon nail polish.

Oooooohhhhhhhh, DBQ! Pictures! Pictures or it didn't happen!

You're so mean to tease us all like that!

Lance said...

emarking that in private, the candidate is "far more gracious and personable than I think you see at rallies.

So Trump is like Romney now?

walter said...

" My make up was extreme. Something that I would never ever wear in person. Red exaggerated lipstick, heavy eye makeup, big fluttery fake eyelashes, red almost neon nail polish. Exagerated expansive hand gestures. If you didn't exaggerate, you looked washed out and the people in the back were not very impressed.

This is what Trump is doing. Crowd control and public speaking 101."

More accurately: Theatrics..
Orange we lucky?
Trump that Bitch!

Michael K said...

The professional politicians are lining up to kiss his ring, or whatever it is.

The preference cascade is moving faster and faster as each week goes by.

Chuck ? Chuck ?

Sebastian said...

"The old guys don't like that because their pretty comfortable with the way things are . . . Trump is no Reagan, but he is Trump. It's about time for a realignment in the party." Remains to be seen. Congressional RINOs should be able to get along fine with the New York RINO on touchback amnesty, entitlements, "moderate" SCOTUS appointments, and taxing the rich. Trade deals can be finessed, nukes in Korea and Japan shelved. No one will touch the wall in the backrooms -- soon, it will be a virtual wall with beefed-up enforcement. On immigration Trump will do a better con job than Reagan with IRCA. Would -- crushing defeat is still the most likely outcome.

walter said...

Boehner's texting him tips about fomenting realignment..

Mr. Fabulous said...

Walter - That reminds me of the punchline to an old knock-knock joke. Let me update the joke and sum up Trump winning the nomination:

Knock-knock: Who's there? Romney. Romney who?
Knock-knock: Who's there? Romney. Romney who?
Knock-knock: Who's there? Romney. Romney who?
Knock-knock: Who's there? Orange! Orange who? Orange you glad I didn't say Romney!

mccullough said...

Priebus is toast. Trump's gonna be Trump. Just roll with it

Paul said...

M Jordan channeling his inner Hunter Thompson. Good show my man!

traditionalguy said...

Trump is not a sweet puppy lap dog. He is a border collie sheep dog yapping away and killing the wolves that threaten his sheep.

He has a great sense of smell and hearing and sharp teeth that go together with his bark.

When the day's work is done he sleeps with one eye open.

If you are a sheep in his flock, you appreciate the skills and the loyalty. If not he could care less.

Limited blogger said...

Paul, you'll get your shot in 2024. It's Trump's party and Trump's convention.

Paul said...

"Paul, you'll get your shot in 2024. It's Trump's party and Trump's convention."

My shot at what?

wildswan said...

I think we should surround Trump with solid advice and strong teamwork and stop trying to find a safe space for being conservative. He's an initiator, not a policy wonk. He should be hearing how conservative policies would work when he wins and he has to govern. He should be hearing - here's an idea, here's a way; he shouldn't be hearing - accept this or that baldly stated conservative position or we'll throw ourselves on the floor, hold our breath till we turn blue and vote for Hillary.

We should be promoting the ideas of Scott Walker, for example, as a way to solve the pension crises which will emerge in the next four years. The idea is we say: "Look, the states could solve the problem by not letting public service unions run the pension and health insurance process. You, President Trump, don't have to solve it - you just have to point out the solution (Act 10), make it clear in your own inimitable way, and return the problem to the states."

Meade said...

"Bush, Graham, Ryan, and Romney would rather have Hillary than Trump."

What would be the difference? They're both warmongers. Both are loose canons. Either could be the other's VP. Or cabinet member.

At least Hillary won't bring down conservative and republicans down ticket as Trump will.

Hey, did you know Trump supporters don't need to vote anymore in the remaining primaries? That's what I heard Trump tell his followers in Nebraska.

Paul said...

"What would be the difference? They're both warmongers. Both are loose canons. Either could be the other's VP. Or cabinet member."

Oh please.

walter said...

Blogger traditionalguy
if you are a sheep in his flock, you appreciate the skills and the loyalty.
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That's good.

Ambrose said...

Thank you Lord that I am not Rience Priebus.

Meade said...

Please what? I'm dead serious — which one do you feel would be less likely to misuse American armed forces? Trump? Feel free educate me.

khesanh0802 said...

Meade, take your own advice: Lighten.Up.

khesanh0802 said...

@ Meade Hillary will misuse American troops long before Trump. Recommendations that Hillary made while SOS are resulting in the misuse of American troops today in Iraq and Syria today. All you have to look at is the current administration's misuse of troops and you will see where Hillary will go. You have noted, I am sure, that we have lost three personnel over the last few weeks and there will be more to come. There are many more troops in Iraq than the administration admits - fudging the numbers by not counting temporary duty personnel.

Trump knows the value of negotiation rather than send in a few troops here and there. No one is going to take any threat Hillary might make seriously. With Trump, adversaries won't be sure what, or when, his final move might be. That will require that they be much more cautious in negotiations.

I would enjoy your educating me on the proper use of armed forces. A little review of your military background would be helpful. Feel free, as you say.


MikeD said...

Every down ticket Republican, federal. state, local, should vociferously & constantly distance themselves from Trump.

chickelit said...

Meade said...

Please what? I'm dead serious — which one do you feel would be less likely to misuse American armed forces? Trump? Feel free educate me.

@Meade: Which actions or directives of Trump's led to a misuse of American forces? Which one of his many decision as leader of Trump, Inc. led to violence? I fear that you may be relying a little too much on Ronny Ray-Gun fears of yore.

Meade said...

Do we all agree then that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and should not be trusted with the command of our nation's military forces?

Phil 3:14 said...

They hate 'em when they "kiss his ring" and they hate 'em when they don't.

khesanh0802 said...

@meade 7:59 Absolutely! I am not so sure about the warmonger bit (it's kind of a meaningless descriptor), but not trusting her with command is a gimme. Frankly, there are very few politicians that I would willingly entrust with command of the armed forces.

FullMoon said...

Meanwhile: "Pelosi, Vicente Fox plot to defeat Trump, Mexican calls Trump voters lazy drunks"

Todd Galle said...

Mr. Fab -
Thanks for that knock-knock joke. That was the first introduction for my son to family comedy some 20 years ago. My wife and I started with the classic "banana" opening, then hit him with the "orange" gambit. He put his fork down, started laughing, then fell off his chair convulsed in hysterics. Best part of parenting. We still use it when things get tense. Maybe off topic, but life goes on and will go on. To circle back to politics, I think Jim Webb would be a great Trump VP.

Michael K said...

"At least Hillary won't bring down conservative and republicans down ticket as Trump will."

Another guy who can tell me the gold price a year from now. I wish you guys wouldn't keep it a secret the way you do. I might want to buy more if it is going to go up.

Come on. All you future tellers, give me a break.

Michael K said...

"I think Jim Webb would be a great Trump VP."

I do too and it would roll the dice in an interesting way.

American Liberal Elite said...

It is astonishing that anyone named Reince Priebus made it out of middle school alive.

Steven Davis said...

MikeD said:

"Every down ticket Republican, federal. state, local, should vociferously & constantly distance themselves from Trump."

They do so at their own peril, a poor R turnout in Nov will spell disaster for them.

Achilles said...

Meade said...
"Please what? I'm dead serious — which one do you feel would be less likely to misuse American armed forces? Trump? Feel free educate me."

Hillary stood on the coffins of dead veterans after Benghazi and lied to their parents faces. She did unto them an act of supreme dishonor. That could have been my parents. They probably would have believed her.

Trump cares about veterans. He cares about what we want. He would put us and our safety over the people we fight. He would send us in to kill our enemies, not win their hearts and minds. When he talked about killing the families he was listening to vets. In WWII we annihilated Tokyo, Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima. We weren't bombing soldiers and we knew it. We knew we had to win. Bush started out ok though he still cowered before the PC police. He changed for the worse and eventually abandoned us.

Trump wont send us in unless it is to win. We haven't had that kind of honesty since Truman.

Steven Davis said...

Achilles, that may wax a bit dramatic, but I do believe two things:

1) Trump cares about America and Americans, he does not have the skills and experience needed right out of the box, but he will act in good faith.

2) No other politician I can think of has that conviction, least of all Hillary.

eric said...

The thing is, while a bunch of Republicans are abandoning ship, Trump is looking at independents and Democrats. And he is saying to himself, Bush, the guy Democrats hate, is telling them he hates me? Great!

As a guy who really appreciated Bush and what he did for this nation after 9/11, I'm disappointed. He should just stay out of things now.

But I can see how it'll help Trump pick up votes from Democrats.

robother said...

" I Jeb Bush affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is."

But Jeb didn't say the Magic Words ("read my lips"), so it doesn't count.

walter said...

I wonder if former POWs have warmed to Orange.

Big Mike said...

Do we all agree then that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and should not be trusted with the command of our nation's military forces?

@Meade, when you say "we all" does that include your spouse?

exhelodrvr1 said...

Trump will make much more intelligent decision than Hillary - his off-the-cuff comments of the campaign will not translate to policy processes.

narciso said...

this is what happened when mcdonald, applebaum, crittenden, noonan, parker went #never huntress last time:


http://narcisoscorner.blogspot.com/2016/05/peeking-behind-theapprentices-curtain.html?view=mosaic

Big Mike said...

In WWII we annihilated Tokyo, Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima. We weren't bombing soldiers ...

@Achilles, point of information. Hiroshima was the home of a major army base that housed the headquarters of the Japanese 5th Division and the 2nd Army Headquarters. You can look it up. 20,000 soldiers died instantly.

exhelodrvr1 said...

Achilles,
We were also bombing manufacturing and transportation facilities. Those cities were all valid military targets.

narciso said...

there were basically three targets left out of the bombing, kyoto was out, because stimson the secretary of war, had honeymooned there, hiroshima for reasons mentioned above, and nagasaki, which was some kind of naval facility,

Michael K said...

Kyoto was the historical capital and was of no military significance.

The other two had good reasons. I think Nagasaki was an alternate but I can't remember and it's not important enough to look up.

narciso said...

well I remember that from pete wyden's book, on the subject,

narciso said...

also here, but they confuse him with general dewitt,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33755182

narciso said...

this probably wasn't unique to truman,


http://blog.nuclearsecrecy.com/2014/08/08/kyoto-misconception/

Laslo Spatula said...

Donald Dice Trump says:

Hickory Dickory Doke

Hillary went up the Hill for a Vote

She fell down the Hill

In an oversized Coat

and had a dead mouse in her Vagina.

Woah!


I am Laslo.

Chuck said...

Wow! The Trumpkins are making this easy; I thought that they'd make it hard for people like me who will be determined to blame them and their man, if and when he loses the general election.

But they are making it easy. They want nothing to do with the Republican Party, or Republican "donors." They want war with the establishment GOP. Um, okay. Buh-bye. Good luck in November.

Republicans are already making plans. Few of the people who might stand up to Trump will attend the convention. The delegates will attend, of course. Most of them will be bound, to Trump's nomination on the first ballot. And most of them will be disappointed with that choice. A strange convention.

But in the end, the Trump excuse that he wasn't supported by "the GOPe" will have been erased. By Trump and his supporters. With all of their attack-quotes against the Party. Hell; if there is a Democrat landslide in November, the Trumpkins will have written Trump's own epitaph, he ran as a Republican, against the Republicans. Duh.

Bruce Hayden said...

" I Jeb Bush affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is."

But Jeb didn't say the Magic Words ("read my lips"), so it doesn't count.


JEB is toast. Maybe was already, and this is just sour grapes. But, he isn't going to win dog catcher after that move. Given the alternative of Hillary or Trump, not voting because his feelings were hurt, or whatever his reason, is a half a vote for Hillary.

Simon said...

rcocean said...
"Bush, Graham, Ryan, and Romney would rather have Hillary than Trump."

They'd rather have a bad President who sullies the name of the other party over a dangerous degenerate who sullies the name of their own party and ideologies.

Paul said...

Do we all agree then that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and should not be trusted with the command of our nation's military forces?

Absolutely. Trump on the other hand displays all the signs of a true patriot and appears to hold the military in high esteem, the exact opposite of Hillary and Obama, and pretty much all democrats for that matter. He has specifically said he thinks our foreign military adventures of late have been acts of folly and has no interest in following that precedent. My problem with all you TDS sufferers is it's impossible for you to objective so you make shit up. Like Trump equals Hillary.

Simon said...

Meade said...
"Do we all agree then that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and should not be trusted with the command of our nation's military forces?"

No, we don't.

Simon said...

Paul said...
"Trump … displays all the signs of a true patriot and appears to hold the military in high esteem…."

There is literally nothing whatsoever that substantiates this wild-eyed garbage. It's pure fantasy—wishful thinking apropos of nothing at all.

walter said...

“He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured."

walter said...

Chuck said...They want nothing to do with the Republican Party,
--
Expanding the party..heh.
It's bringing a lot of people without any ideology..not disappointed ideology.
Check this box to "fuck all y'all"? Done.

Laura said...

"Do we all agree then that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and should not be trusted with the command of our nation's military forces?"

Ron Brown was found to be surprisingly inarticulate on the matter.

walter said...

At a press availability following his remarks, Trump denied saying that McCain isn’t a war hero and said, “If somebody’s a prisoner, I consider them a war hero.”

Yeah..oops..whatever..Trump that Bitch!

narciso said...

well she initially supported the iraq war, but not the counterinsurgency strategy, that brought the country back from the brink, initially she supported the strategy in afghanistan, more then can be said for biden, who overruled petraeus, then her valkyries sent off to war with libya, a country that was collaborating with us, on al queda, and surrendering their nuclear program, in that she served the interests of the emirate and the kingdom, what lesson did she take from iraq, let the rebels slaughter the military chief of the army, directed by jalil and let bel hadj order the death of quaddafi, all this in her emails, as a result the jayvees have their second largest franchise in north africa, another player, chagoury one of mark rich's circle, was involved in keeping boko haram off the terrorist list, through his imput with the clinton foundation, so warmonger isn't really a proper description

walter said...

With Trump we get "Two for one" without any spousal involvement.

narciso said...

don't get me started on maverick, he kissed up to muammar more readily than larry miller in pretty woman, then turned on him, releasing the pandora's box, that would slay, doherty, woods, smith and stevens

walter said...

Hey..are we sending enough commerce to Althousazon?

walter said...

Trump received four student deferments from military service between 1964 and 1968. In Ames, he told reporters another medical deferment he received after graduating was for a bone spur in his foot. When asked which foot, Trump told reporters to look up the records.

narciso said...

what I know is denton, stockdale, day, risner that come to mind, would never give up a contest, when there was some point to it, it's an irony that his effusions toward the Arab winter, led to the djinns unleashed like abu kashef, one of the trainers of the raiding parties on libya, and militias in syria,

Jack Wayne said...

When did eecummings turn to politics?

narciso said...

any argument over the facts i've presented?

HoodlumDoodlum said...

Let Trump be Trump!

narciso said...

this was before boko haram went jay vee, all across the river delta,

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122973023139522863

walter said...

narciso : what I know is denton, stockdale, day, risner that come to mind, would never give up a contest, when there was some point to it, it's an irony that his effusions toward the Arab winter, led to the djinns..
--
Trump!: Get him outta here! WTF!

HenryW said...

It's so nice to see Bruce and Laurence kissing sweetly. I like it a lot.

narciso said...

the same new york times that mccain kissed up to, was the one that libeled him thanks to john weaver's imput. weaver, where have I heard that name before. flipped on a dime, when he actually abided by the law, and obama did not,

Achilles said...

Simon said...
Meade said...
"Do we all agree then that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and should not be trusted with the command of our nation's military forces?"

"No, we don't."

The moby outs himself. Simon is no conservative in any way, shape, or form. He is pure dishonesty incarnate.

Achilles said...

Big Mike said...
"In WWII we annihilated Tokyo, Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima. We weren't bombing soldiers ...

@Achilles, point of information. Hiroshima was the home of a major army base that housed the headquarters of the Japanese 5th Division and the 2nd Army Headquarters. You can look it up. 20,000 soldiers died instantly."

exhelodrvr1 said...
"Achilles,
We were also bombing manufacturing and transportation facilities. Those cities were all valid military targets."

You people are being deliberately obtuse.

We knew we were killing the families of those 20,000 soldiers. The families. Wiping out Tokyo and all of the women and children of the soldiers that were out on the front was considered a feature, not a bug. We bombed the living daylights out of Dresden knowing that not only did we have to break the military forces, we had to break Germany. The people of Germany. Nagasaki was turned into glass with far more "civilian" casualties than any number of factories that were there.

I don't give a fuck how militarily valid they were. They were no more valid than the compounds islamists live in, sleep in, and grew up in. If you want to defeat Radical Islamism you have to kill a lot of people. Period. At this point saying that COIN and Hearts and Minds just needed a generation to work is obvious garbage.

I was all for helping the women in those countries get out from under the sick and disgusting thumb of Sharia Law. But you want to know something about those women? Most of them held their daughters down on a table and cut their clitoris's and labia's off. Without anesthesia. Fuck that and them.

It is time to change course. If people want to create democracy or some other good deed around the world at this point it should be a private venture. The US Army is not the right tool for the job. Our civilian leadership is too inconsistent and to be honest pathetic. I am really not sure if you people are even willing to let other people defend you much less do it yourselves. Thinking about most of you actually going through 11B Basic Training is actually kinda humorous.

And taking Ukraine's Nukes away from it was obviously stupid. Depending on the US to maintain peace around the world is not bright. Eventually the US will not be here as it is today. We already stabbed Ukraine in the back. They should be allowed to have their nukes back because they obviously can't count on us.

Already we have well thought of people saying "That's not who we are" on a daily basis as if they have any fucking clue who we are or why we are here. If you take issue with Trump saying we need to kill the families of terrorists you are taking issue with reality or you doing actually want to defeat terrorism. That used to be the province of the left. But apparently some "conservatives" are into moral preening and virtue signaling too.

Kevin said...

"I Jeb Bush affirm that if I do not win the 2016 Republican nomination for president of the United States I will endorse the 2016 Republican presidential nominee regardless of who it is."

But Jeb didn't say the Magic Words ("read my lips"), so it doesn't count."

Maybe Jeb!'s energy was so low that day he couldn't finish reading the statement before it was time for him to sign it.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"Please what? I'm dead serious — which one do you feel would be less likely to misuse American armed forces? Trump? Feel free educate me."

The one that will be libeled every day of existence by a contemptful, enraged media without concern for any context: only the destruction of said candidate and his, or her, party.

Achilles said...

eric said...
"The thing is, while a bunch of Republicans are abandoning ship, Trump is looking at independents and Democrats. And he is saying to himself, Bush, the guy Democrats hate, is telling them he hates me? Great!

As a guy who really appreciated Bush and what he did for this nation after 9/11, I'm disappointed. He should just stay out of things now.

But I can see how it'll help Trump pick up votes from Democrats."

Who coined the term "Religion of Peace?"

Bush saw the same ISR pic's we saw. He knew the Sarin was shipped to Syrian just before the invasion. He had the reports of all of the shit we found and destroyed. Why did he let us flap in the wind? Why didn't he fight the No WMD's lie?

Bush bailed on us. He had a job to do and he let us down by not speaking up and fighting their lies. I am not even going to get into the new entitlement or TARP or not reigning in Fannie/Freddie when he knew it was a problem.

ellamentary said...

Achilles, yhou need to explain all that about Iraq and Bush and WMD to your pal Trump. He's part of the "Bush lied, people died" crowd, remember? Heck of a candidate you've got there.

amielalune said...


Why, oh why are otherwise intelligent people advocating that Trump pick a Dem for VP?????? What's wrong, he doesn't have enough problems with conservatives?

There is no Dem candidate alive who would not rather stab themselves in the jugular and bleed out rather than work with a GOP, let alone give up the second highest (?) office in the land to one.

And everyone seems to be in favor of "Jim Webb." I'm sure he's a great guy, but if you're going to do that, you need to choose someone already universally beloved. I'd never heard of "Jim Webb" until this nonsense started.

This is a major, major part of what's wrong with conservatives and the GOP. Dems hate us; think we are the true enemies, not ISIS; but "we" are so proud of ourselves for being willing to "reach out." And look where it's gotten us.

Simon said...


amielalune said...
"Why, oh why are otherwise intelligent people advocating that Trump pick a Dem for VP?????? What's wrong, he doesn't have enough problems with conservatives?"

Why do you think? Becaue they aren't conservatives. They just want to "make America great again" and that means getting their would-be-dictator elected, and they've made clear that they're cool with him saying or doing whatever helps him get his grubby, short-fingered mitts on power. They have no principles to sell out; all they're interested in is electing their cult-of-personality leader.

Achilles said...

ellamentary said...
"Achilles, yhou need to explain all that about Iraq and Bush and WMD to your pal Trump. He's part of the "Bush lied, people died" crowd, remember? Heck of a candidate you've got there."

Has Trump seen any of that? Have most republicans seen any of that? Have most Americans been made aware of this information? No they haven't. I am not going to hold Trump at fault for information that has been with held from him.

Why is Bush holding this back? Why did Bush abandon us? Why is he allowing the country to believe what Trump believes? I am not even supposed to be talking about that stuff. I blame Bush for knowing and allowing this to become the meme when it is a lie. Bush is the only person who was in a position to affect this.

Achilles said...

amielalune said...

"Why, oh why are otherwise intelligent people advocating that Trump pick a Dem for VP?????? What's wrong, he doesn't have enough problems with conservatives?"

The people pushing this are dem's in the media and moby's like Simon. Not republicans and Trump has already ruled out a democrat VP.