March 23, 2016

"The most committed Republican voters aren’t rallying behind efforts to deny Donald Trump the party’s nomination at their national convention in July..."

"... but he still faces an uphill climb after that. A Bloomberg Politics national poll shows 63 percent of those who have voted in this year’s Republican primaries and caucuses, or plan to do so, back the billionaire’s view of the nominating process and think the person with the most delegates should win, even if he lacks a majority."

31 comments:

YoungHegelian said...

...think the person with the most delegates should win, even if he lacks a majority.

Because, most Republican voters think that one civil war was enough?

Jack Wayne said...

First time I've ever seen an uphill battle with a 63% majority. But I guess journolists have a tough time with math.

readering said...

The voters realize that, if it isn't Trump, it's going to be Cruz, and Cruz is obviously much less popular than Trump. Kasich is not going to get the nomination, but he's not going to prevent Cruz getting it either. So if Cruz get's the nomination it's because of machinations at the Convention.

Achilles said...

The people who opposed nominating the guy who fought for and passed obamacare before Obama joined the club, i.e. me, were just as dead sent against Romney as people are against Trump.

But Trump is growing on people. Only the paid shills pretending to be republicans are still posting childish nonsense. Some may stay home, none will vote for Hillary. And Trump already took Working class peeps and is winning over a lot of minorities as we speak.

Trump is going to win a landslide. All of the right people are Squawking. The WASPs are getting removed from the GOP and the working people of the country who have been left behind by the dems are coming over. DC is getting cleaned out.

mccullough said...

If Cruz finished a close second, then maybe choosing him on a second or third ballot might be plausible. But it's been Trump and Cruz by a mile. Picking someone other than one of them would create chaos.

And Kasich isn't a plausible choice because the rule would basically be whoever wins the Ohio primary is the nominee.

Yancey Ward said...

Trump is going to be the nominee. I still think he will win on the first ballot, especially after the showing in Arizona last night, but even if he does come up short it will less than 100 short, he will make a deal with either Kasich or Cruz for the VP slot long before the convention takes place. He might even make the deal with Rubio. The Republican race is as over as the one on the Democrat side.

Birkel said...

Cruz has a viable, if unlikely, path to the nomination. Either Trump or Cruz will be the nominee. That, or fuck the GOP.

John Henry said...

Blogger Birkel said...
Cruz has a viable, if unlikely, path to the nomination. Either Trump or Cruz will be the nominee. That, or fuck the GOP.

I see Cruz as having a viable path but a bit of a long shot. I really prefer Cruz' politics over Trumps but am concerned about his qualification which is why I am supporting Trump.

As for your last sentence, Amen, brother, Amen. "

John Henry

George Grady said...

In other Trump news, a pro-Trump sidewalk chalker is terrorizing the campus of Emory University!

rcocean said...

Thanks "conservatives" your non-stop smearing of Trump since November will probably make him un-electable in November.

Hello President Hillary.

I think George Soros might want to give National Review a $million donation in January 2017 for a job well done.

Michael K said...

"A Bloomberg Politics national poll shows 63 percent of those who have voted in this year’s Republican primaries and caucuses, or plan to do so, back the billionaire’s view of the nominating process and think the person with the most delegates should win, even if he lacks a majority."

Chuck ?

Chuuuuck ?

I have no idea what he will do but I think he is going to win and win big. Huuuuge ! in other words.

Michael K said...

"Thanks "conservatives" your non-stop smearing of Trump since November will probably make him un-electable in November."

Don't thinks so. I've been working today and missed the excitement but I think $100 million in negative ads against him have just focused the public's mind and it isn't helping the people paying for the ads.

This is really an interesting year,

FullMoon said...

I saw an interview Trump had twenty five years ago. He spoke of trade imbalance then, just like now. Them it was Kuwait, now, China. Said we should be getting 25 percent
of Kuwait's oil profits.

Michael K said...

Chuck ?

Has anyone seen Chuck, lately ?

With Cruz supporters shifting to their second choices, Trump would have a large lead. Fifty-six percent said they would vote for Trump, with just 25 percent opting for Kasich and 13 percent undecided. More than seven-in-10 (71 percent) of tea party supporters said they would vote for Trump over the Ohio governor, along with strong majorities in every demographic and ideological group, including those describing themselves as moderate or liberal.

Chuck ? Which 63% was that that would not vote for Trump ?

Michael K said...

Chuck ? Do you need any help ?

Chuck said...

What is your malfunction, Michael K?

Do you expect me to read the article you linked, and somehow concede that Donald Trump is a good candidate? I'll do no such thing! The article you linked to, supplies the following DISASTROUS news for the Trumpkins:

...
Matched up against Trump and Cruz, both Clinton and Sanders lead by as much as 14 points, as is the case of Sanders' lead in a hypothetical race with Trump. On the other hand, Kasich outperformed both Democrats when tested head-to-head, leading Clinton 47 percent to 39 percent and Sanders 45 percent to 44 percent.

On which candidate they definitely would not support, 54 percent overall said they would never vote for Trump in November, while 43 percent said the same of Clinton, 33 percent for Cruz, 27 percent for Sanders and 14 percent for Kasich.

Asked which words they would use to describe their feelings toward a Clinton or Trump presidency, the results carried some whopping negatives. The word "disaster" led the way for Clinton, with 68 mentions, followed by "good" (51 mentions), "scared" (49), "disappointed" (43) and "hopeful" (41).

For Trump, the results are even more absymal. The top word: "scared," with 117 separate mentions, followed by "disaster," "frightened," "terrified," horrified" and "disgusted." The first positive word for Trump, "good," was only the sixth-most frequent word mentioned by registered voters.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/2016-republican-poll-trump-cruz-kasich-221111#ixzz43n3NmQ5s

Congrats, Mike; if Politico (as your source) is correct, Trump stands a good chance of winning the Republican nomination, with a mere plurality of primary votes, a bare majority (or less) of delegates (at best), and with most Republicans preferring some other alternative. And then in the general election, it looks as thought Trump would lose, even to a remarkably weak Democrat nominee in Hillary Clinton. Trump has historic, massive, negatives. Again, from YOUR Politico link; "54 percent overall said they would never vote for Trump in November..."

I don't think I understand you, Michael. Not that understanding you is a goal of mine. But for what it's worth, is it simply your desire to see Donald Trump get the Repubican nomination*? Or would you like to see a Republican, and not a Democrat, win the White House in November?


*That is to say, just win the Republican nomination, to prove something to Republicans, irrespective of any later outcome.

Paul said...

I'm not a Trump supporter BUT I say give him a fair chance.

chickelit said...

Chuck, Chuck
Run amok
Mastered debate
Only to hate

Bill Roberts said...

Look, if Trump wins the nomination and loses in the general, it's not my fault. I've been against him from the beginning, and, like many others, have stated I'll never vote for him. He might win, but it will have to be without a lot of us who have always voted GOP. Most of his followers seem uber confident that the magic ride will continue, though. We will see.

rehajm said...

We can spare the move to Canada voters the warning since the doorway will be clogged with Plurality fans.

Achilles said...

Bill Roberts said...
"Look, if Trump wins the nomination and loses in the general, it's not my fault. I've been against him from the beginning, and, like many others, have stated I'll never vote for him. He might win, but it will have to be without a lot of us who have always voted GOP. Most of his followers seem uber confident that the magic ride will continue, though. We will see."

I stated in the heat of the moment several times I would never vote for Romney. I did vote for him in the end though it was bitter. The guy wrote and passed Obamacare for fucks sake.

You people are the same assholes who nominated a known statist and got stomping mad when some people wouldn't vote for him. If you choose not to vote then so be it. But you are worthless to this country.

tim in vermont said...

My fellow Republicans have chosen an anti-hero. At bottom, I am a little 'd' democrat knowing it is a far from perfect system. One of its deepest flaws is that it might one day lead us to be governed under another system. Being a little 'd' democrat means you accept that you are going to eat the occasional shit sandwich. Which is where we are. I won't vote for Trump, even against Hillary, and yes I know that not voting is a vote for Hillary, and this galls me to say it, and by "galls" I mean it feels like I have been retching for two days and nothing comes up but the bitter gall in your sour stomach from your liver, it that kind of galls me to say it but I would rather have the predictable Hillary than the unpredictable and sloppy thinking Trump.

I blame everybody. I blame most of all Republicans who ignored the concerns of the white working class in favor of the Chamber of Commerce types whose only concern is cheap labor to keep the money flowing to the top of the tank where they can skim it off.

tim in vermont said...

The Democrats set the rules of the game when they created their bottom-top coalition against the middle, and the Republicans? They wanted the top so bad they forgot that the middle was in play now.

cubanbob said...

Trump is basically and old school moderate Democrat. Hillary is left but not quite as progressive as Sanders Democrat. So if Trump is the candidate it's really a contest between the wings of the Democratic Party.

Bill Roberts said...

"If you choose not to vote then so be it. But you are worthless to this country."

Im going to vote. I just won't be pulling the lever for Trump, Clinton or Sanders.

Voting your conscience - isn't that what America's about? I didn't know you only had worth if you constrained your vote to the two major parties.

I get your passion, but Trump is a terrible person. Right now he's bragging about how hot his wife is compared to the (lovely, in my opinion) Heidi Cruz. The latest bit of immature crazy from the Trump hit parade. Nominating Trump might be the dumbest thing the Republican party has ever done, and that's saying something.

I get your anger toward people like me. Trust me, I'm as sick about this whole thing as anyone.

harrogate said...

Young Hegelian wrote:

"Because, most Republican voters think that one civil war was enough?"

But, the GOP rules don't say, "whoever gets the most delegates wins." They say you win if you get the MAJORITY of delegates. I mean, by now we should all drink every time someone says "1237."

If no one gets "1237", then shouldn't we take that to mean the Republican voters chose not to push anyone across the threshold? And that the Party rules account for how to handle this at the convention?

How is any of this shenanigans, let alone "Civil War" worthy?

I mean, come on. Let's put away the tin foil hats here. If he gets "1237" he's golden with the GOP. If he doesn't, then the whinefest will be just that.

Brando said...

I'd count myself in that majority--Trump is a disgusting human being and hilariously unqualified to be president, but if he emerges the plurality leader (in delegates and votes) by the time the primaries are over, he deserves the nomination.

tim in vermont said...

Also I would like to commend Althouse for her evisceration of Trump while not succumbing to the simple, repetitive, and largely dishonest attacks that most of his opponents employ. I have said it before, Trump is like cigarettes. Might give you cancer but there is a reason people smoke despite the risks.

damikesc said...

Again, I think Glenn Reynolds has the perfect take on this --- The Establishment's treatment of the Tea Party led to this.

In 2010, the Tea Party started up. It was a polite group, overall. Angry at elected officials, but cleaned up after their rallies very well. They didn't have outrageous demands.

They were labeled racists and kooks by Republicans.

They had a group who sought honest and hardly radical changes to the Party and pooh-poohed them.

So, the Tea Party saw their demands utterly ignored (meanwhile, the Dems got on board with the Occupy movement pretty heavily). They became dispirited and decided to just fuck over the same GOP that lied and belittled them. They watched as nothing happened in 2010 or 2014 to slow down the damaging things they fought, donated, and elected Republicans to deal with.

I support Cruz, who the party also hates --- but I get the Trump affection. Don't agree, but I get it. When somebody with legitimate complaints gets ignored and maligned by their reps --- then being legitimate is less desired.

Sammy Finkelman said...

I read something from National Review that said Trump is the Titanic. Cruz is the lifeboat.

Here's a link to some place this is re-quoted:

http://www.redstate.com/dan_mclaughlin/2016/03/24/can-donald-trump-ted-cruz-beat-hillary-clinton-new-national-poll-may-surprise/

Trump is the Titanic. Ted Cruz is the Lifeboat.

Maybe.

Neither will get you to New York.

Sammy Finkelman said...

Kasich could be the Carpathia.