December 23, 2015

"I've got to be honest with you. I've got to lay it out on the table: I also went to the bathroom."

"I know. I have to admit it. I guess other men are allowed to go to the bathroom, but women, what can we say?"

Said Bernie Sanders, reacting to Donald Trump's "I know where she went. It's disgusting. I don't want to talk about it."

Sanders also said: "I don't know what his relationship with women has been like, but he has discovered that women go to the bathroom, and it's very upsetting for him." And: "This is a guy who wants to be president of the United States. He must have a very unusual relationship with women."

ADDED: I just want to observe that Trump was responding to his audience, which was pushing him to talk about it, and he was saying he didn't want to talk about it. He wanted to riff on her disappearance from the debate stage, not get into the specifics about the bathroom, and arguably, what he was calling "disgusting" was talking about peeing, not peeing per se. Look:

72 comments:

BobM said...

For those keeping score, Bernie has just played the gender card.

Tank said...

Sanders also said: "I don't know what his relationship with women has been like, but he has discovered that women go to the bathroom, and it's very upsetting for him."

That's a funny line. And, of course, there are lots of jokes about bathrooms and the differences between men and women.

It's interesting that Sanders does not get called on all the lies that he tells, because he too is a congenital liar. I guess no one really takes him seriously, except his supporters, who are not going to object.

tim maguire said...

"This is a guy who wants to be president of the United States.

Whereas Sanders a little too often does not sound like a guy who wants to be president of the United States.

cubanbob said...

Sanders is obviously a prop for the Clinton campaign. Is he running for VP?

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Clearly, Bernie Sanders wants to be Vice President.

rhhardin said...

Love is never having to go to the bathroom. - Erich Segal

Michael K said...

"Sanders does not get called on all the lies that he tells"

Bernie is a sitzpinkler and doesn't understand that most men don't take that long.

Of course, if their Depends are saturated and leaking....

Jason said...

http://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/

Let's take a little trip down memory lane, shall we?

David said...

Do Republicans support Trump in spite of his misogyny, or because of it?

Henry said...

Nicely played by Sanders. Trump feeds off shock and criticism. Mockery -- and this is mockery of the most easy-going kind -- seems a much better tactic.

Char Char Binks said...

Tank said...

"It's interesting that Sanders does not get called on all the lies that he tells, because he too is a congenital liar."

Let's leave Bernies genitals out of this.

David said...

"There was twa wives, and twa witty wives,
As e'er play'd houghmagandie,
And they coost oot, upon a time,
Out o'er a drink o brandy;
Up Maggie rose, and forth she goes,
An she leaves auld Mary flytin,
And she farted by the byre-en'
For she was gaun a shiten.

She farted by the byre-en',
She farted by the stable;
And thick and nimble were her steps
As fast as she was able:
Till at yon dyke-back the hurly brak,
But raxin for some dockins,
The beans and pease cam down her thighs,
And she cackit a' her stockings."


--Robert Burns

See also "The Lady's Dressing Room" by Johathan Swift. The smitten lover sneaks into his beloved Celia's dressing room only to find a foul mess, including her toilet box, which he can not resist opening. He leaves, disillusioned.

Thus finishing his grand Survey,
Disgusted Strephon stole away
Repeating in his amorous Fits,
Oh! Celia, Celia, Celia shits!

wendybar said...

Uhmmmm....she wouldn't go in the bathroom, because there was a Bernie Sanders aide using the bathroom too. She is WAY to important in her head, to go to a public bathroom with other people.

Sebastian said...

"arguably, what he was calling "disgusting" was talking about peeing, not peeing per se" Arguably, Progs lie and the default should be that they do. Therefore, arguably, trying to assess their claims as honest propositions, gives them a little too much credit.

SayAahh said...

Meanwhile...as Rome burns...
That darn Trump keeps interfering with the discussion of the real issues.
What's next a discussion of the toilet paper roll under or over?
Where is Ms. Landers when the country needs her?

Robert Fulton said...

I read on Instapundit (which I know that Ms. Alhouse reads) about NPR using the term "schlong" with regard to Ms. Ferraro's defeat. Liberal hypocrisy is much discussed these days. I turned to Ms. Althouse for further insight, but I am disappointed. Why it is "not news" when NPR does it and front page news when Trump does it (pretty much the exact same thing - male describes female candidate losing). Is there a "nuance" that I am missing?
Yes, I know that Trump is news and NPR is not, but the furor is supposedly based on the distasteful and disgraceful use of the term, which, it seems to me, would be the same on NPR or by Mr. Trump. Is this the "faux news" I hear so much about? Something seems to be faux.

Writ Small said...

Sanders has run an ideas-based campaign (nutty and dangerous as those ideas may be), and has gone out of his way to avoid cheap-shot attacks even when the press invites him to do so. I appreciate the guy's style, although I'm relieved his support is so limited.

I love the idea that Sanders supporters are going to flock over to Trump in the general election. Never gonna happen. A few dim-witted union thugs will cross lines, sure, but Trump contempt couldn't be stronger in that crowd.

It is increasingly clear to me that a good portion of the Republican base does not want to wield real power. They railed against Boehner, but when the time came to step up, they begged Ryan to take the difficult job and are now trashing him from the safety of the sidelines and bleachers. Courage. Supporting Trump is just another reflection of this. You can get to talk tough, but Trump's general election weakness means you never have to worry about actually taking responsibility.

Bob Boyd said...

"I also went to the bathroom"

Eliminationist rhetoric.

rcocean said...

"That's a funny line."

No, its not funny - its stupid. Sanders seems to think he's back in 1969, and he's the earthy leftist telling all the uptight prudes -who think that women are little angels- that they take a piss too.

He's trying to score points with the feminists who armpit hair - but they're going to vote for Hillary.

Dan Hossley said...

There are reports that she refused to share a bathroom with another woman. Maybe that's what he's referring to.

Trump would be better served to simply say "she's disgusting". Hard to nitpick that.

n.n said...

Yes, men and women alike, expel waste, and have other unappealing characteristics. But, why would any human being in their right mind think about, let alone discuss it at the "dinner table"?

Point, Trump.

jr565 said...

My mom is a Hillary Supporter. She thought Obama stole her nomination last time, and she's pretty pissed that he won. She thinks its because Hillary is a women.
We had a discussion about Trump. I was saying that even though he often makes blanket statements that are indefensible it seems like the democratic operatives in the media are often looking to find the latest example of his outrageousness, and jump on it even though its often nothing.
I made the point about how he used the word Shlonged to describe her losing last time and how that was being viewed by some as sexist. First off, that is not sexist language. NPR made an issue out of it, and it came out that someone described Geraldine Ferraro/Walter Mondale as getting shlonged during their election.
I wasnt' aware of the word being used that way. But regardless, its not sexist and Trump didnt' even coin the phrase. Not even sure if NPR did. Shlonged can be used to describe Geraldine Ferraro Or Walter Mondale or both.


Then my mom said "She wasn't shlonged. She was butt fucked!"
If Trump had said THAT, would it have been viewed as non sexist?
So I asked her "So basically, you think Hillary was shlonged during last election. You've basically been telling me that they screwed her because she was a woman since the last election" and she had to agree. Her description was worse the Trumps. She just thought it was the dems that shlonged her.

Trump +10; liberals making issue out of this -10

jr565 said...

"He wanted to riff on her disappearance from the debate stage, not get into the specifics about the bathroom, and arguably, what he was calling "disgusting" was talking about peeing, not peeing per se."
Such a distinction is lost on people trying to push gender identity politics or play various race/sexist cards.
Of course Trump was talking about discussing specifically what Hillary was doing in the bathroom, and that's what he found disgusting.
Its funny though that lefties will be convinced, that Bernie's interpretation is the correct one.

cubanbob said...

The difference between a Trump and Sanders presidency is that Sanders were president and was able to implement his policies and ideology there would be a shortage of toilet paper but that would never be a problem under a Trump presidency.

Writ Small, Trump isn't the favorite for most Republican voters but when given a choice between Clinton and Trump the candidate who doesn't need to win to stay out of jail will be the winner. Lets see what happens in March when a lot of primaries have been held.

cubanbob said...

In 2008 Hillary got schlonged by the schwartz. This year thanks to that boat anchor around her neck she is going to get schlonged again, this time by a schmuck. Hillary, go home. Spend time with your grandchildren. Let the DNC find a fool who wants to to the sacrificial lamb. You don't need the money, you don't need the fame and you sure as hell don't need to take the blame of the train wreck you would be inheriting from The Won. Never mind, go for it. It will be fun watching the Democrats getting their ass kicked.

Ann Althouse said...

"I turned to Ms. Althouse for further insight, but I am disappointed."

The schlong post is yesterday. This is not that.

rhhardin said...

The male debaters just wear a motorman's friend.

EDH said...

He wanted to riff on her disappearance from the debate stage, not get into the specifics about the bathroom, and arguably, what he was calling "disgusting" was talking about peeing, not peeing per se.

Yep. That's what I heard and saw the first time.

The more the media blatantly tries to put whatever negative they want to hear from Trump in Trumps mouth, the more he wins.

Bruce Hayden said...

I think that you have to keep in mnd that Hillary was late getting back before a national audience. This just isn't done. She just showed how much respect she had for her national audience. They were watching to support her, and she owed them no loyalty, etc. think about the last time that someone love on TV was late getting back from a commercial break - I can't off the top of my head. So, what we essentially had here was Trump calling her on this faux pax of hers, and her supporters getting their own panties in a knot for him calling out her literally having hers down (when she was supposed to be on stage). Neither she, nor they, her supporters, take criticism of her well at all. Win or lose, it is going to be a long hard campaign for them, esp since most of the nice Republcans are either out already, or headed in that direction.

eric said...

I think a lot of Repuicans got swindled this election cycle.

They thought the devious Clintons made an agreement with the Donald ahead of the election in order to win the white house.

They were close, but no cigar. Instead, the Clintons made an agreement with Sanders. To help them dupe the left into supporting them. Sanders is the fake candidate here, not Trump.

LordSomber said...

In keeping with the cause of gender equality, I hope she put the toilet seat down when she was done.

Bruce Hayden said...

I agree with the posters above who pointed out that it isn't peeing, but talking about it that is an issue. Growing up in middle class America, the women I dealt with wouldn't go pee, but rather would go the the bathroom, women's room, ladies room, etc. nice upper middle class women just didn't tell the rest of us what they planned to do in the bathroom. And realistically, Hillary comes out of this culture like Trump does, and likely doesn't tell everyone around her what her specific plans are there. Bill, being raised trailer trash might, but not his middle class wife.

The reason that I think that this is a class thing is that my partner doesn't seem to have this cultural resistance to telling me in public that she is going to pee. There are just a lot of cultural markers that she just doesn't see, ranging from why camel hair coats go with gray slacks to this. She does make up for it in a lot of ways though, including being the best cook ever.

Michael McClain said...

The LibCong poisoned the Well of Civility long ago. Why should they be so sensitive when they poured their vitriol on their opponents with glee and abandon?

Henry said...

Once Trump needs word-parsing defenders, he's done being Trump.

damikesc said...

No, its not funny - its stupid. Sanders seems to think he's back in 1969, and he's the earthy leftist telling all the uptight prudes -who think that women are little angels- that they take a piss too.

No joke.

"I'm going to say a word you've probably never heard before. VAGINA!!!"

His bravery is epic.

Does Bernie want Donald to go into depth on Hillary's urination or defecation? Would that put some lead in his shriveled pencil?

Michael K said...

Jokes about masculine women peeing go back to World War II and the WACs.

My parents had two cartoons on the wall of the basement party room. One had a guy standing at a urinal and looking astonished at a WAC standing at the urinal next to him.

Another was of an old woman saying, "Hell, I ain't tired. Where's the can ?"

SOJO said...

It is a 1969 line, but remember, Trump's old AF too and seemed to need it.

It was a decent, humorous response. I couldn't care less about the whole thing. Trump's obnoxious. His supporters, or rather his audience, even more so and they did push him. He gave the crowd what it wanted.

It's one of those situations where we get the presidential candidate that we deserve.

Amanda said...

"Do Republicans support Trump in spite of his misogyny, or because of it?"

Because of it. Which isn't lost on women. Who are you people and what is wrong with you? It's very obvious that he was referring to Clinton using the bathroom as being disgusting, said if he shits gold bricks. This isn't the first time he has insulted women and made disgusting comments regarding bodily processes unique to women. He made a big stink over an opposing attorney in a lawsuit that needed a break to pump breast milk, also said that was "disgusting". He mentioned Megyn Kelly and "blood coming out of her whatever", he insulted Fiorina on her looks. What a pig he is. And this man wants to be President and you people support him? Again, what is wrong with you people?

Trump calls lawyer disgusting for going to pump breast milk.

Amanda said...

59% of women would be embarrassed if Trump won the Presdiency

Howard said...

Another Trump triumph in his no budget media strategy to elect Hillary.

Tank said...

@Amanda

Giving women the vote was a big mistake.

mikee said...

Talking about Hillary at all is pretty disgusting, but someone has to, or she's going to be president before long.

If more people echoed the disgust about talking about Hillary, we would not have to talk about her.

readering said...

Sounds like Trump's "schlonged" comment was really just another indicator of his advanced age. It's a usage that only people over 65 from the Tri-state area seem to have heard of/remembered. I certainly don't recall it being used among my yiddish-using contemporaries. Goes along with his claim that he'll fight ISIS by "closing up the internet".

jr565 said...

"Jokes about masculine women peeing go back to World War II and the WACs."
Now I had heard
The Wac's recruited
All maids for the war
But mommy isn't
One of those
I've known her all these years

mccullough said...

Hillary is probably going to be President given the GOP field. Given this, Trump's mocking is welcome. Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney are the two nastiest, evil politicians the US has had since LBJ.

The constant mocking of Hillary just undermines her, just like mocking Jeb has put an end to the Bushes who are now following the Kennedys into irrelevance.

A Hillary Presidency Americans don't take seriously is the best option at this point.

Birkel said...

NPR used "schlonged" when discussing Geraldine Ferraro.

Linked at Instapundit.

Discuss.

mccullough said...

And if Jeb and the other establishment douche-bags are so concerned about Trump, then they should all drop out and coalesce around me Rubio. Rubio is a tool, but he has a chance against Hillary and would have a chance to win a he nomination if it were him vs. Cruz and Trump. That Jeb will not drop out tells us all we need to know about both his first integrity and competence.

el polacko said...

maybe huma should have asked the "often confused" hillary if she had to go pee-pee BEFORE the debate.

Amanda said...

Presidency.

damikesc said...

It's very obvious that he was referring to Clinton using the bathroom as being disgusting

If you're a hack, sure. If you can think for yourself, no.

We know where you stand.

he insulted Fiorina on her looks.

As did uber-Progressive Joy Behar.

eric said...

Blogger Amanda said...
59% of women would be embarrassed if Trump won the Presidency


Poor, poor, women.

Get them a safe space, stat!

Michael said...

Amanda

Grow up. There is no war on women. Mrs. Clinton is the one who is going to have to explain why she supported a serial adulterer/philanderer who used the office to get blow jobs from interns. You can parse that any prog way you would like but we would like to have the parsing done in public to see where you really stand in the "war on women."

By the way,using all caps and bold type on the internet is generally the sign of someone with a loose screw.

You want to discuss pigs, lets' discuss the man who is the husband of the Democrat candidate, a man who used his power and influence to get blow jobs from someone who worked for him. The wife was cool with that. The wife running for president.

Ann Althouse said...

The Geraldine Ferraro thing was in the WaPo article that I linked to in yesterday's post. i chose not to use that particular fact, because I thought it was more important that Trump had used the word before to describe a race between two women.

The Ferraro comment was quite old and a one time thing. How much can you make of the lack of criticism at the time... in pre-internet days?

eric said...

The Ferraro comment was quite old and a one time thing. How much can you make of the lack of criticism at the time... in pre-internet days?

2011 was pre-internet days? It was about something that happened in the 80's, but the broadcast was in 2011.

And besides, even lefty Democrats are coming out in defense of schlonged.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-schlong-revisionist-analysis-we-ve-been-waiting-for

Alex said...

When there is was NO public backlash to "The Vagina Monologues", where did you think this was going to end?

Alex said...

Modern feminists are the most narcissistic group that ever lived.

I challenge anyone to refute that.

Amanda said...

Eric and Trumpsters,
What has been a pattern with many conservatives and Republicans is this: They misunderstand and underestimate the power of a voting bloc that doesn't like misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. In 2008 and in 2012 Conservatives and Republicans were in meltdown and didn't know what hit them. They haven't learned a thing and this autopsy will be even more telling as to what went wrong. In a national election in which more Americans come out to vote, what conservatives have become will be resoundingly rejected. There will be tears and gnashing of teeth and I'll be sure to say "I told you so". But by all means keep up the magical thinking that most Americans think the way you do.They don't.

Amanda said...

"As did uber-Progressive Joy Behar"

Behar isn't running for President.

Chuck said...

No, professor, I beg to differ on the relevance of the use of "schlonged" by Neal Conan on NPR.

There are lots of Yiddish phrases, in various ranges of blueness, that I have used. I love Yiddish. "Schlonged" was never something I said, but of course I am not from Queens. At first, I thought it was very weird the way that Trump used it. And given my lack of familiarity, I thought that it might really be a gross mistake on Trump's part. (Even weirder, and completely inexplicable, was his overdrawn riff on it being "disgusting" where Mrs. Clinton went to the bathroom. That's not even tv comedy. It's not local-cable comedy. It's a drunk-guy-in-Vegas-at-4 am riff.)

But Trump's defense -- and you have no idea how it hurts me to defend Trump -- is that "schlonged" is what a lot of NY guys call a comprehensive beatdown. Whether its root Yiddish origin is "penis" is of no consequence to me.

The notion that one of NPR's grandest grandees, Neal Conan, used the term without anyone batting an eyelash really IS of importance. Along with all of the NY guys who regularly say it.

I hope I never have to say this again, but on the sole issue of "schlonged," I think Trump is blameless. Well, not blameless (it's a goofy word choice) but at least not out of bounds.

Trump is on his own, for that cringe-inducing bathroom humor. And of course I carry no brief for his other 1,001 ghastly insults, reversals and idiocies for this (holiday-shortened) week.

mccullough said...

Althouse,

The NPR comment was in March 2011 shortly after Ferraro's death (referring to the 1984 defeat of Mondale and her). The comment wasn't from the mid 1980s.

traditionalguy said...

Trump has a schlong and Hillary only has a strap on. That is to be envied in so many ways.

Howard said...

Alex: Narcissistic personality disorder is the primary requirement for white republican christian males who claims victim-hood while cheering police murders of blacks and support candidates who propose carpet bombing the $hit out of the Middle East and turn the sandbox to glass in an impotent attempt to exterminate a handful of cockroaches. Absolutely no one is more self involved than those fraidy-cats who cheer on the senseless murder of the innocent so they can feel more safe.

Chuck said...

btw, Professor; Trump's audience wasn't "pushing" him to talk about the "disgusting" Clinton bathroom break. Trump was, as you say, riffing on the whole thing. (In this case, if we are mashing musical metaphors, the "riffing" wasn't any jazzy counterpoint. It was pounding on the keyboard with his elbows.) Catskill-comic-style. Any notion that this was anything other than Trump being Trump is nonsense.

Chuck said...

Amanda; I suspect that the unusual beating taken by Republicans in the '08 and '12 presidential races is due to the 117% African-American voter turnout for BHO.

If you were right, and if Republicans had a hopeless demographic problem, they wouldn't have won an historic majority in the House in 2010/2014, and a solid majority in the Senate, along with more than a thousand state-house legislative seats and more governorships than in two lifetimes.

Michael said...

Amanda

"They misunderstand and underestimate the power of a voting bloc that doesn't like misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc."

Misogny: would that be the view that men can use underlings for their sexual pleasure? In the office? Or is misogny the act of letting that go? And as to racism I think we could look with interest at the Clinton's in SC in her original march to her not-to-be coronation? And the homophobia would be the attitude Ms. Clinton had twenty five months ago?

You need to add back the Islamaphobia which you have relegated to the "etc" category if you are going to check all the boxes.

Drago said...

Howard: "Absolutely no one is more self involved than those fraidy-cats who cheer on the senseless murder of the innocent so they can feel more safe. "

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/23/10649808/isis-defectors-testimony?ref=yfp

snip: "Speckhard and Yayla found these defectors, all of them originally from Syria, on the Turkish-Syrian border. To a man, they had horrific stories to tell. Take, for instance, this account from one of the defectors (names were withheld or replaced with pseudonyms) about how ISIS executed prisoners where he was stationed:


There is a well by the name of Hute. There they cover the eyes of the prisoners and tell them, ‘You are free now, just walk now, but don’t open your eyes.’ They walk and fall into the well. It smells horrible because of all the corpses inside the well. I know that over three hundred people were thrown into that well.

According to Speckhard and Yayla's sources, such cruelty is central to ISIS's strategy. The group uses fear of atrocity to keep the population in line, and to intimidate other armed groups. One fighter recalls how ISIS used child suicide bombers to drive the Free Syrian Army (Jaysh al-Hur in Arabic) out of the city of Raqqa roughly two years ago (note: Daesh is another name for ISIS):"

The more brutal and vicious the Islamic mass murderers become over wider and wider areas, the more Howard will rise up to downplay those acts and pretend he is taking on the "real threat".

Well, Howard and Amanda both.

The tens of thousands already butchered globally by these islamist "moderates" will require quite a bit of "downplaying" by the likes of our local heroes!

walter said...

Char Char Binks said...
Tank said...
"It's interesting that Sanders does not get called on all the lies that he tells, because he too is a congenital liar."
Let's leave Bernies genitals out of this.
----
Yep...was afraid where he was going with it when talked about laying it out on the table.

traditionalguy said...

Phallus-Envy-crats are not going to forgive Granny Hillary being Schlonged.But Hillary must be able to break a glass ceiling by herself, and not as a symbol of other younger,stronger women.

BN said...

Sometimes I wish I still cared. But then, most times I'm glad I don't.

damikesc said...

Behar isn't running for President.

So insulting women's looks is OK if you're not running for President? OK, good to know.

They misunderstand and underestimate the power of a voting bloc that doesn't like misogyny, racism, homophobia, xenophobia,

...like the husband of the current Dem frontrunner raping women, harassing women, using a woman his daughter's age as a humidor...

Drago said...

Michael: "You need to add back the Islamaphobia which you have relegated to the "etc" category if you are going to check all the boxes."

Yes, it's funny just how quickly Amanda dropped the explicit linking of "homophobia" and "islamaphobia" after the astonishing contradictions were pointed out to her.

Amanda will fight to death to ensure that the muslims throwing gays off of buildings, beheading gays, burying gays up to their head in dirt and then stoning them are not disparaged rhetorically by those bad bad Christisns!

Sammy Finkelman said...

because there was a Bernie Sanders aide using the bathroom too. She is WAY to important in her head, to go to a public bathroom with other people

No, a Martin O'Malley aide, who is best known for her relationship with Eliot Spitzer.