February 22, 2014

"The white man demands that the black man entertain him?"

A sarcastic question, by Freeman Hunt, in the comments to last night's post, which was about a Jeffrey Toobin piece in The New Yorker that savaged Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas for not speaking during oral argument. "Thomas is simply not doing his job," Toobin wrote. I had highlighted the racial issue like this:
If the politics were reversed — and Thomas were liberal and Toobin conservative — I doubt if Toobin would have exposed himself to the risk of accusations of racism.
Freeman went on a much harsher attack, asking the question above, then, a few minutes later, posting this (with quote marks around what is her version of what Toobin seems to be saying):
"Why don't that lazy black man put on a show for me? You git to performin' now, ya hear!"

And this in The New Yorker!
And:
Somebody send Toobin a white suit, a cane, and a hankie.

If he doesn't have them already.
And (beginning with another paraphrase in quotes):
"A-leanin' back in a fancy chair like he's somethin'! You tell that boy to sit up straight and look them white men in they eyes."

Is that what his editor had to craft into what is now the piece we read here?
Here's the material from the actual Toobin piece, as published in The New Yorker, that provoked that paraphrase:
In his first years on the Court, Thomas would rock forward, whisper comments about the lawyers to his neighbors Breyer and Kennedy, and generally look like he was acknowledging where he was. These days, Thomas only reclines; his leather chair is pitched so that he can stare at the ceiling, which he does at length. He strokes his chin. His eyelids look heavy. Every schoolteacher knows this look. It’s called "not paying attention."
Schoolteacher? The editor didn't even take the trouble to expunge every tell.

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jr565 said...

"Yet you fail to recognize any commenters expressing reasoned opposition to Crack -- here and elsewhere.

Do you buy Crack's shtick?"
If freeman does then that means freeman like all other whites is racist. If that's the case then why even have conversations about race? Because whether you argue for or against racism you're still racist.
It would t matter what position you held, it's a racist one.

Darleen said...

Hey Crack,

I'm the descendent of slaves.

http://www.darleenclick.com/weblog/archives/2006/09/sins_of_the_fat.html

Some how I'm able to get through life without a chip on my shoulder or cynically using that fact to guilt people into giving me unearned stuff.

Chef Mojo said...

Sad.

Time to give Crackhouse, er... Althouse a pass. Fun while it lasted, I guess. If Althouse thinks that Crack is what passes for a good blog? Her house, her rules. Used to be a good place for political and cultural discussion and debate. Not so much anymore.

As long as this racist bigot turns every thread into a self serving pimp fest for his own blog and racist agenda, I figure what's the use?

Whatever. Y'all are welcome to Crack. Me? I think I'll break that nasty habit.

Hyphenated American said...

I cannot believe the debate with crack went on without anyone mentioning the most obvious...

Crack, I am a Russia Jew, and I immigrated to America as an adult. Because I am considered white, my children will be discriminated by the government and private institutions, while crack and his children will be given unfair advantage. Let's discuss that, and not slavery from 150 years ago.

The Crack Emcee said...

Harold, you know dick and to think you actually tell blacks, what you think of as history, is laughable:"

"The slave trade was stopped almost singlehandedly by the British Navy. There were no black led fleets or even single ships aiding them."

Really? Not if you got your history from slaves - not books:

The Raid at Combahee Ferry was a military operation during the American Civil War; it was conducted on June 1 and June 2, 1863, by elements of the Union Army along the Combahee River in Beaufort and Colleton counties in southeast South Carolina.

Harriet Tubman, who had escaped from slavery in 1849 and guided many others to freedom, was working for the Union Army and guided its forces in the area. The Union Brigadier General Rufus Saxton credited Tubman as the only woman to plan and lead such a military raid. The Union ships transported more than 750 slaves freed by the raid, and many of the men joined the Union Army.

The Crack Emcee said...

And all the potential Klan members come out to play:

Darleen said…

"Hey Crack,

I'm the descendent of slaves.

Some how I'm able to get through life without a chip on my shoulder or cynically using that fact to guilt people into giving me unearned stuff."


And somehow, D, you can't think of anything to do with that but lord it over the poor. Good for you! What a saint. Do you stand in front of homeless shelters, bragging you ate tonight, and they didn't?

By looking at your picture, why do I have a hard time picturing you as a victim of government-and-social wide racial discrimination? Oh yeah - because you're white - so you and yours, slaves or not, were NOT submitted to that. Tell me, D:

Where's evidence your white skin was the basis for your family's enslavement?

If you have none - which every black person does - then shut-the-fuck-up.

God, white people can be disgusting,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Hyphenated American,

Let's discuss that, and not slavery from 150 years ago.


Look at how desperately you guys want it to go away.

If it bears on life today, why are you so desperate to stop talking about it?

Maybe because, like Harold and Darleen, you don't actually know what you're talking about, and since you're not as smart as you think - and history isn't actually what you've been told - you MUST change the story because AS WHITE SUPREMACISTS, the idea of you, not spreading that BS story you've got, is unthinkable?

Oh, blacks never fought or led fleets, and white slaves were the same and look at them now!

You guys are the clowns of scholarship,….

The Crack Emcee said...

Chef Mojo,

"If Althouse thinks that Crack is what passes for a good blog? Her house, her rules. Used to be a good place for political and cultural discussion and debate. Not so much anymore."


Yeah, all those white people - alone - to say whatever they want without challenge.

The good ol' days.

Practically Dixie, it was.

The Crack Emcee said...

jr565,

"If freeman does then that means freeman like all other whites is racist."

Because you understand the rules so well.

"If that's the case then why even have conversations about race? Because whether you argue for or against racism you're still racist.
It would t matter what position you held, it's a racist one."

Considering your ignorance, I don't know why you talk at all. I'd be embarrassed to show everyone how dumb you are.

I mean, you seem to see me and Freeman and Ann and Meade together, yet you still claim there's no consistency - because you can't grasp it. Which you can't do because you're stupid, which is an idea - being white - you also won't entertain. Which also confirms how stupid you are.

Even I challenge my own ideas - that's how you learn if you're right or not. You guys would rather run away than discover the truth.

But, as you can see in me, Freeman, Ann and Meade, not everyone needs to run away from it.

The Crack Emcee said...

Awww, what happened to Gahrie?


Ask a direct question,...

Hyphenated American said...

Crack, it won't be that easy for you, comrade. I am Russian Jew, don't you think that your whining impresses me.

"Look at how desperately you guys want it to go away. "

You racist scum want to discriminate against me and my children because of our skin color. Don't even try to pretend like you are not a racism that won't work. You hate me because of my skin color, so say it, and stop hiding behind something that happened 150 years ago.

"If it bears on life today, why are you so desperate to stop talking about it?"

I can see that you desperately want to talk about the events 150 years ago, and ignore all the racism that comes from you, all the discrimination against Whites and Asians that you promote.


"Maybe because, like Harold and Darleen, you don't actually know what you're talking about, and since you're not as smart as you think - and history isn't actually what you've been told - you MUST change the story because AS WHITE SUPREMACISTS, the idea of you, not spreading that BS story you've got, is unthinkable?"

Weird, you are discriminating against me and my children because of my skin color - and yet, I am the "supremacist"? Hey, you will get the right to talk about racism when you stop supporting discrimination against my children. Right now, you have no right to talk about this.

"You guys are the clowns of scholarship,…. "

At least one thing we all know - I don't need people of other races to be discriminated in order for me to be successful, and you do. That's all that matters. Once you grow up to compete with other people on equal footing - come back. Right now, you are simply trying to defend your inferiority complex.

And yes, I am a Russian Jew, I don't shame that easily by race mongers.

Oh, and one more thing - do you remember how you were upset that some Jewish comedians worked together? Yap, I do remember it.

Hyphenated American said...

"By looking at your picture, why do I have a hard time picturing you as a victim of government-and-social wide racial discrimination? Oh yeah - because you're white - so you and yours, slaves or not, were NOT submitted to that. Tell me, "

Nearly every university discriminates against White and Asian students. Same is true for many private companies and the government. It's all promoted and all legal and open.

So, Crack, stop being so obtuse, this discrimination is real and open, and you need to get enough courage to acknowledge it.

Largo said...

Crack Emcee:

"What's - obviously - missing from your education of this country to explain why you would ask such easily answerable questions?"

As an interested third party who has never resided in the United States, I would deeply appreciate it if you answered his questions, for my sake.

It is possible that the answers are easy but long, and so perhaps you mean that they are easily answerable given enough time. If that is what you mean, then of course I do not expect you to provide me with a non-brief education. But if it is feasible to provide me with a brief answer, I would welcome it.

The question is set up for a 'yes/no' answer, which is pretty brief. Since some questions can mislead when set this in this way, a brief critique of the question could serve in place of a brief answer. (When you said that the question was "easily answerable" I thought this meant you had no beef with the question itself. I do not know if I was right to think so.)

What say you Crack, my erstwhile friend?

- Largo

Kirk Parker said...

Freeman,

"Nobody gets all wee-wee-ed up when he uses his wild style on New Age"

Guess again. I have no reason to doubt Crack's account of having received some really bad stuff at the hands of some New Age practitioners (hello--it's New Age!) but he totally comes across as someone with PTSD in that regard. When I remembered the real damage done, I felt sorry for him; when I forgot that I just rolled my eyes. But at least with his New Age rants he wasn't attacking me or most of the other commenters here.

The Crack Emcee said...

I submit that you are Conservatives Keeping Us In Caves With Rank Racism

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: "I mean, you seem to see me and Freeman and Ann and Meade together, yet you still claim there's no consistency..."

I can certainly see them acknowledging racism amongst whites, and the benefits received in America simply by being white, although I do not want to put words in their mouths. Not sure where they stand on reparations, although I am indeed curious.

Was this same Ann "together" with you on this:

http://themachoresponse.blogspot.com/2014/01/glenn-reynolds-and-ann-althouse-40.html

"I know our Annie:

Another "happy whitey," all the time, at all costs. A law professor, insisting on black's forgiveness, instead of fighting for justice. Unless it's gays and white women - they're who's important - especially today. She couldn't even handle a god-damned movie:

Enjoy your you-make-it-so-obviously-racist privilege, Ann,…"


What changed?

The Crack Emcee said...

Kirk Parker,

PTSD? Sure, some,…but, as you said, something bad causes that, so save your pity and the eye rolls:

Check out that link, above, and click on the post's link that says "snapping" and you might see the connection. White supremacy is a cult.

And noticing what hurts you - and speaking up about it - doesn't mean you're crazy.

I'd further submit the character, and different kinds of friends I have, who have known me now for about half a decade - Freeman, Ann, Meade, etc. - are evidence of that,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Laslo Spatula,

"What changed?"


Nothing. That's the best part. Ann and I are like Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass. Mature in our goals and mutual admiration. Meade's played a huge role in that.

Their lifelong friendship was not always an easy one. It encountered a serious challenge after the Civil War when they disagreed over suffrage. Under the Civil Rights Bill of 1866, Negroes and women had the same civil and protected status, but lacked the ballot. Anthony proposed universal suffrage and vowed to fight the idea of the Negro male being given suffrage before women received the same: “Men, their rights, and nothing more; Women, their rights, and nothing less.” The Fifteen Amendment guaranteed all citizens the right to vote, regardless of race, but did not include voting rights for women. Douglass tried to persuade his friend to support its ratification: “When women because they are women are dragged from their homes and hung upon lampposts, . . . then they will have the urgency to obtain the ballot.” Asked if that was not also true about Black women, he responded, “Yes, but not because she is a woman but because she is black.”

The idea, as some paranoids have suggested, that Ann and I are "working together" is ludicrous. We barely talk. Never have by phone. The last email exchange, of any kind, was at least a year ago. So how we're in cahoots is a mystery.

What y'all don't get is the message.

Back in the day, right here on this blog, I argued for colorblindness, and y'all wasn't having it. So today I'm joining in - but now I'm forcing you to go further than you want - to the uncomfortable place you've had me in.

That's America. Where we all feel the sting and say "Make it stop!"

And, as I always say - since whites started it - you first.

I mean, it is just me over here with Freeman playing Flava Flav,...

Guildofcannonballs said...

Racism hurts America and speaking out against it doesn't make someone crazy, stupid, or evil.

Same with false accusations of racism that are often racist themselves.

The Crack Emcee said...

NotquiteunBuckley said...
Racism hurts America and speaking out against it doesn't make someone crazy, stupid, or evil.

Same with false accusations of racism that are often racist themselves.


"Things you don't hear Freeman, Ann, Meade, or other non-racists saying for $1,000, Chuck,…"

Laslo Spatula said...

Re: "...Meade's played a huge role in that."

How so? You are using him to vouch for your character (""I'd further submit the character, and different kinds of friends I have, who have known me now for about half a decade - Freeman, Ann, Meade, etc. - are evidence of that,..."), I am curious about the insight he provided Althouse...

Guildofcannonballs said...

Great, with an I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I I proclaim a synergistic truce whereby we both claim victory and exude the winning attitude that spreads like a puppies enthusiasm enriching the lives of all around us.

The Crack Emcee said...

Meade bounces all over, my place, Lem's, other blogs, dropping bombs.

Some people listen, some don't,..

The Crack Emcee said...

I don't know what he says to Ann.

Guildofcannonballs said...

I am not sure I am comfortable with a white imitating black-voice.

Would we all celebrate a commenter who dressed up in black face to ridicule Toobin?

Laslo Spatula said...

When speaking of 'character' I am having trouble reconciling: "Things you don't hear Freeman, Ann, Meade, or other non-racists saying for $1,000, Chuck,…"

and

"I know our Annie: Another "happy whitey," all the time, at all costs."

Are both statements true? Is one no longer true? The second quote seems rather brutal for someone who agrees with you.

Laslo Spatula said...

More to the point:

Re: "...Meade's played a huge role in that."

Is Althouse receiving a 'pass' on behalf of Meade?

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2013/07/9-things-freeman-hunt-said.html

The Crack Emcee said..

" Ann is hiding behind Freeman for validity - basically manipulating.
As someone else has already said, let Ann speak for herself and the evil shines through,..."

Guildofcannonballs said...

The results of this post, the disparity between the number of white male and minority comments, is almost like a puppet-master pulling the strings Godfather-style in order to get a performance.

If this be true, I think it would be ironic given the title and context of the post.

Laslo Spatula said...

I realize opinions of other people evolve; I am curious on the event(s) that have updated your view on Althouse.

The Crack Emcee said...

Laslo Spatula ,

"The second quote seems rather brutal for someone who agrees with you."


Brutal? It's the internet.

And is Ann a happy white lady? I'm pretty sure she is. Optimist type. Very annoying, that.

Look, there's online bullshit and there's offline human beings, and we've found a happy medium.

Is it so tough to think a law professor and a poor angry black guy could be online acquaintances and find common areas of agreement somehow?

Michael said...

I must say that Justice Thomas would find this thread appalling. His autobiography is available through this very blog by clicking on the Amazon button.

Guildofcannonballs said...

Kirk Lazarus: [to Tugg Speedman] What do you mean, "you people?"
Alpa Chino: [stares at Lazarus, and then gets angry] What do *you* mean, "you people?"
Kirk Lazarus: Huh?

Tropic Thunder 2008

Unknown said...

Justice Douglas, a liberal icon, was usually silent on the bench and was certainly not criticized for it -- at least not by Toobin-like commentators, even when Douglas was writing one of his books when oral argument was occurring.
David Lesser

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael said...
I must say that Justice Thomas would find this thread appalling. His autobiography is available through this very blog by clicking on the Amazon button.


So? Like Herman Cain, I've been a fan of Justice Thomas but that doesn't mean I always agree with him. But pay attention:

""He sometimes learns to mistrust the world. Thomas' experience at Yale taught him to doubt anyone who sought to help him, especially those 'who offered you a helping hand so long as you were careful to agree with them but slapped you down if you started acting as if you didn't know your place.'"

Now THAT I agree with - anybody wanna talk about that?

My donations dried right up,...

Laslo Spatula said...

RE: "Look, there's online bullshit and there's offline human beings, and we've found a happy medium."

I agree on the online/offline aspect. I am trying to determine how much is 'bullshit' (or hyperbole).

Re: "And is Ann a happy white lady? I'm pretty sure she is. Optimist type."

That isn't what I got from:

"Another "happy whitey," all the time, at all costs. A law professor, insisting on black's forgiveness, instead of fighting for justice. Unless it's gays and white women - they're who's important - especially today."

"Happy whitey...at all costs" seems a bit removed from "Happy white lady...Optimist type." I am figuring you believe Althouse understands the criticisms to be somewhat in jest; by not taking them seriously is that not condescending?

Re: "Is it so tough to think a law professor and a poor angry black guy could be online acquaintances and find common areas of agreement somehow?"

Not tough at all. World is better for it.

Guildofcannonballs said...

This is a link to a clip from Tropic Thunder that some may find relevant.

The Crack Emcee said...

HERMAN CAIN

Laslo Spatula said...

RE: ""He sometimes learns to mistrust the world. Thomas' experience at Yale taught him to doubt anyone who sought to help him, especially those 'who offered you a helping hand so long as you were careful to agree with them but slapped you down if you started acting as if you didn't know your place.'"

Now THAT I agree with - anybody wanna talk about that?"

Too bad that wasn't near the start of the thread -- would've liked to see where that conversation would've led.

The Crack Emcee said...

Laslo Spatula,

"I am figuring you believe Althouse understands the criticisms to be somewhat in jest; by not taking them seriously is that not condescending?"


I think you're figuring wrong. I can't speak for Ann but, seriously, people are saying all kinds of shit online but if you fold up your laptop it goes away. A lot of people, here, use that option to get out of arguments. Ann and I, as bloggers, don't have that option, so other talents and skills are required - like a tougher skin, a sense of distance, actual thought, and even concern. But there's no walking away.

What does that leave you?

Anonymous said...

Re: "What does that leave you?"

An interested reader. Concerned when the invective gets personal. Wary to call someone I respect "evil."

The Crack Emcee said...

Laslo Spatula,

"Too bad that wasn't near the start of the thread -- would've liked to see where that conversation would've led."


I can't think of everything. Not that it would've done any good. Thomas could be understood to be discussing the bad behavior of conservatives, but conservatives refuse to understand they're doing these things. I'm a conservative - nobody doubts that - but I've forced the race issue on them, after they said they were going to confront it and didn't, and now I'm everything bad the world has ever seen. And, yes, before this donations came in and now - zip.

You see, before I was a truth-teller, now I'm a racist liar who sucks Obama's dick for breakfast.

We've got so far to go,...

The Crack Emcee said...

betamax3000 said...
Re: "What does that leave you?"

An interested reader. Concerned when the invective gets personal. Wary to call someone I respect "evil."


I understand, though I'd say, in my defense, the sphere of interests I deal in includes a lot of work on ethical matters, so my colloquial speech can be rife with such judgements. And, if I was just shooting the shit with some friends on the corner, nobody would be freaking the fuck out. Because we're friends.

People tend to forget that.

Michael said...

Crack. No, you pay attention. Thomas' autobiography is not a matter of agreement or disagreement unless you can point to lies in his work. You grew up in South Central after the civil rights struggle as I recall. Thomas grew up in Pinpoint Ga and then Savannah in the years before the movement. Compare and contrast.

jr565 said...

Crack as usual talks out of his ass:
"And somehow, D, you can't think of anything to do with that but lord it over the poor. Good for you! What a saint. Do you stand in front of homeless shelters, bragging you ate tonight, and they didn't?
"

On what basis are you determining she's lording it over the poor? how do you know her economic circumstances? she's simply saying she too is a descendent of slaves. But isn't a dick about it, and doesn't carry a chip of her shoulder because of it.
Some people have too much to do than emotionally cripple themselves by dwelling on the past. And they generally have happier lives.
The fact that Thomas's descendants may have been slaves didn't stop him from getting as high as the Top court of the land. What more are you expecting out of life.
If you call everyone an asshole don't be surprised if doors don't open for you, or others like you.im sure you'd describe that as "racism" but I'd describe it as common sense.
So go on living in your delusion railing like a crazy person about WHITEY! at least stop with the pretense of you being conservative. Push-lease.

jr565 said...

Crack emcee wrote:
And, if I was just shooting the shit with some friends on the corner, nobody would be freaking the fuck out. Because we're friends.

if you call all your friends racists I'm surprised if you actually have friends. Why would you be friends with a racist, and similarly why would someone be your friend if they can't win with you? no matter what they do or say! racist. Simply because of skin tone.
You'd have to be a real masochist to expose yourself to that kind of toxicity day after day.

jr565 said...

Crack Emceew rote:
Back in the day, right here on this blog, I argued for colorblindness, and y'all wasn't having it. So today I'm joining in - but now I'm forcing you to go further than you want - to the uncomfortable place you've had me in.

who is y'all? If you're arguing color blindness then you'd get a lot of agreement on these boards. But you don't get color blindness if you think all whites are racist.
Content of character not color of skin, remember? so then how did you stray so far from the message?
Either you never really believed it, or went through a profound change that made your views be the opposite of what they were before.

Paddy O said...

I want to add that I don't think that being over 45 makes a person a racist (if my earlier comment suggested that, it was poorly phrased). My immediate forebears show this pretty clearly.

The issue I was trying to emphasize was that anyone over 45 or so was born in a society that defined freedom around race. The structures were racist. People took advantage of that, people fought against that, but everyone was in a context where that was in the fabric of society. When race is a definitive category within the legal and social structure itself, there's no getting away from race a a defining factor.

Those born after the 1960s really are the first in American history not to have racism embedded in the social structure. But we have parents and older family who grew up in that, whether they liked it or not. That is something that digs deep into one's consciousness, a cultural ptsd. Just getting over it is a bit of an absurd suggestion.

Yet, what is there to do? Blame is its own new age religion, making gods out of people who are supposed to fix the unfixable, right the unrightable. It also becomes a new curse of Ham, guilt not by actions but by genetics.

Meanwhile, people suffer as they await the resolution that never can come, because it can't. Racism from the past, like every form of abuse, maintains its power by dominating memory and interpretation.

Rusty said...

If I were to council a young person today on the choice of a career I would advise that they stay away from low hanging fruit courses. Usuall ending in "studies". I would recommend engineering or accounting.
There is a need for qualified people in both of those fields.
I don't get to teach apprentices anymore, but I do get to instruct engineering interns on occasion.A lot of women. Some asian people , but I can't recall any blacks.
I can't help but wonder why that is.

jr565 said...

Crack Emcee wrote:

""He sometimes learns to mistrust the world. Thomas' experience at Yale taught him to doubt anyone who sought to help him, especially those 'who offered you a helping hand so long as you were careful to agree with them but slapped you down if you started acting as if you didn't know your place.'"

Now THAT I agree with - anybody wanna talk about that?

My donations dried right up,...

I'll tell you exactly why Crack. Because you bite the hands that feed you. Don't be surprised then if people don't continue feeding you.
If you alienate your customers by telling all how terrible they are they won't give you support. As simple as that.

SGT Ted said...

Scott,

The ASSUMPTION that all white people are racist and don't know it is the fatal flaw in your argument, as well as the entire house of cards foundation of the "White Devil" and "White Guilt" and "White Privilege" false construct of black racists, designed to obligate white people to do what (certain) black people tell them to do.

Which is why I take it personally when someone who doesn't know me claims I'm a "racist" because I am white.

I consider being called a "racist" with ZERO fucking evidence fighting words.

What is being ascribed to race is really about differences in American sub-cultures.

Making YOUR problems about other peoples "racism" means you don't have to look at your own heart and conduct. It is very similar to Borderline Personality Disorder thinking. Blame everything outside of you, when your OWN circumstances are bad and avoid looking at your own conduct and ideas. Leftists rely on such phony, assumptive resentments to pit minorities against whites for money and political power.

SGT Ted said...

Harriet Tubman led ONE raid. Of a bunch of white people.

That's way cool, but it doesn't cancel out what all the other white people did to end slavery.

SGT Ted said...

If there wasn't a Military unit full of white people dealing with all the hardships of living in the field during wartime, willing to follow Harriet Tubman's leadership, to include battlefield death, there would have been no raid.

All credit where all credit is due.

Many white Union Army soldiers became abolitionists because of the bravery of black soldiers in the field. The same thing happened in WW2 and most likely was the tipping point that led Truman to integrate the Armed Forces.

Integrated Military Service has gone farther to dispel racism and foster good race relationships than a thousand Jesse Jacksons and Crack MCes berating all whites as racists. We have left those guys behind and they are still in shock that we aren't listening to them and their racism anymore.

Anonymous said...

In an earlier post in this thread I wrote about voting for a black man as senior class president at my newly integrated High School, and today he gets mentioned in another thread.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael,

You grew up in South Central after the civil rights struggle as I recall.

No, during it, and everyone was from the South I lived with.

Thomas grew up in Pinpoint Ga and then Savannah in the years before the movement. Compare and contrast.

You act like his word is gospel when it contrasts with almost the whole of black America.

That's weird, that you'll accept his more comforting view, so strongly, when it so clearly contradicts reality. That's why 12 Years a Slave had to be made - to make the argument you've been lied to. How could life in Pinpoint Ga and then Savannah be a race-free zone during Jim Crow? I know why he said it, but it's impossible. But you accept it because Clarence, all by his lonesome, said it.

Ask CNN's Bernard Shaw how racially free Georgia was.

The Crack Emcee said...

Patrick O,

Those born after the 1960s really are the first in American history not to have racism embedded in the social structure. But we have parents and older family who grew up in that, whether they liked it or not. That is something that digs deep into one's consciousness, a cultural ptsd. Just getting over it is a bit of an absurd suggestion.


I'd go even later than that - King was killed in '68 and things didn't really change until almost a decade after that. And, even then, it still hasn't been a clean cut. White hostility and denial makes it hard. They somehow think, by making us fight for every inch, we're living decent lives - like fighting them is a life for anybody.

The whole damned set-up is insidious, sinister, and sick,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Rusty,

I don't get to teach apprentices anymore, but I do get to instruct engineering interns on occasion.A lot of women. Some asian people , but I can't recall any blacks.
I can't help but wonder why that is.


Too many smart-alec white people with attitude.

Nobody wants to be around them,...

Meade said...

SGT Ted said...
"Integrated Military Service has gone farther to dispel racism and foster good race relationships than a thousand Jesse Jacksons and Crack MCes berating all whites as racists. We have left those guys behind and they are still in shock that we aren't listening to them and their racism anymore."

I agree with integration dispelling racism and fostering good race relationships.

I disagree that The Crack Emcee berates "all whites as racists". If you read him carefully, I think you will see that he uses a rhetorical move - flipping the long-time common white racist tendency to generalize all black Americans' behavior: blacks do this, blacks say that... - by substituting "whites" for "blacks". He's apparently effective in making that move.

chickelit said...

Meade wrote: He's apparently effective in making that move.

Yes, I caught that early too. That's why I did the "black firehose parody" at Lem's.

The question is two-fold: (1) When does this stuff get old, and (2) when does the funniest living artist known to Meade go back up on his wife's blog roll?

SGT Ted said...

David said...
From this thread:


Yea, so? What's your point?

SGT Ted said...

I don't have any problem admitting that race, accent, appearance, vocabulary, class, dress sense, sexual orientation, education, sex, and any other human attribute that you can think of influence my opinions of other humans, sometimes unfairly.

I feel sad for you. I really learned by the practical application of equality within the Army that all that superficial shit is meaningless.

I left the superficial shit behind. So should you.

"Hard work pays off" isn't racist.

"I can't get ahead because of whitey" IS racist, absent specific, concrete evidence of specific acts performed by specific white people against each individual making the claim.



SGT Ted said...


And nobody's out to get you anyway.


I know that. I simply reject your racist construct.

SGT Ted said...

Jane Crow = Devil Whitey.

SGT Ted said...

I disagree that The Crack Emcee berates "all whites as racists". If you read him carefully, I think you will see that he uses a rhetorical move - flipping the long-time common white racist tendency to generalize all black Americans' behavior: blacks do this, blacks say that... - by substituting "whites" for "blacks". He's apparently effective in making that move.

Which is why I am utterly rejecting it. Just like I rejected it back in the 70s.

I grew up around adults that were a mix of garden variety bigots and I rejected their "All black/Mexican,/gay people are..." bigotted bullshit then.

So when I see the same template targeting whites, I call it out, because it is ignorant and destructive.

Accepting personal responsibility for the direction of your own life is the best way get out of bad circumstances.

Michael said...

Crack. No, I just read his life story, you are the one drawing conclusions and failing to see the difference between your experience and his, between people who lived in that era and those who are pissed off that they didnt. I understand completely. I know a lot of liberals who fight that fight today in their fantasies.

Don M said...

This one notes that black families, though poorer on average, suffered less from illegitimacy until the various 1960s welfare provisions penalized families for having a father in the household. Only after that did illegitimacy sky rocket. The current "dysfunctional inner city black culture" is of recent origin, not to be traced to slave times. It affected blacks more than whites because a greater share of blacks received its 'aid'.

The dysfunction is masked by a function- higher likelihood of qualifying for welfare payments. No incentive like a perverse incentive.

Darleen said...

Where's evidence your white skin was the basis for your family's enslavement?

If you have none - which every black person does - then shut-the-fuck-up.


That's it, Crack? You think African slaves were different because MELANIN?

I won't shut up because my OWN family history (and the history of the Irish slaves shipped out by Cromwell, etc) is an inconvenient truth to your self-serving narrative.

Seek help, Crack. You're mentally disturbed by this paranoid obsession with melanin levels.

test said...

Meade said...
I disagree that The Crack Emcee berates "all whites as racists".

You're changing the meaning of his words to justify drawing a conclusion more amenable to you. In fact he did claim all whites are racist.

The Crack Emcee said...

Michael said...
Crack. No, I just read his life story, you are the one drawing conclusions and failing to see the difference between your experience and his, between people who lived in that era and those who are pissed off that they didn't.


Whoa, whoa, whoa - why are you again claiming I wasn't alive during the civil rights movement?

The Crack Emcee said...

Marshal,

You're changing the meaning of his words to justify drawing a conclusion more amenable to you. In fact he did claim all whites are racist.


No, Marshal, I've explained what I'm doing several times, on my blog, here, and at Lem's and - just like Michael ignoring my age to fit his narrative - some choose to retain new information and some choose to continue being clueless to their own diversions and distractions.

The Crack Emcee said...

SGT Ted,

"Accepting personal responsibility for the direction of your own life is the best way get out of bad circumstances."


My momma told me, if I want to stay alive, don't listen to the white man.

She was pretty firm on that one, being light-skinneded and all,...

Rusty said...

The Crack Emcee said...
Rusty,

I don't get to teach apprentices anymore, but I do get to instruct engineering interns on occasion.A lot of women. Some asian people , but I can't recall any blacks.
I can't help but wonder why that is.


Too many smart-alec white people with attitude.

Nobody wants to be around them,.


Once again.
It's not my fault you're stupid.

Guildofcannonballs said...

As it happens, this whole episode could be used to show how whites appreciate other whites talking "black" hence the comments highlighted.

Instapundit has deniability but others don't.

Their lives would be done with as they know it were Rachel or Al or M. Dowd to determine this talking "black" act was in fact not what Toobin said, at all, or in any way, and only in the (r a c i s t) whites' mind does it pass for humor or anything but racism.

This privilege, they would claim, to mock in a condescending manner in some sort of satirical tone* "black" speak, has ruined people.

So far, my one living hero beside J. Thomas is Mark Steyn.

If Crack had a clue, he would take and re-market Steyn's column regarding that stealing Communist Pinko Ass Segar and show whites how blacks have gotten fucked over without remorse and how shitty it is.

http://www.steynonline.com/6003/the-lion-sleeps-tonight

Everyone ought to be outraged. Pumped up. Ready to see the commies and say "STAND ATHWART PUNK!"

http://www.steynonline.com/6052/changing-his-tune

Guildofcannonballs said...

"I make Black music for the White man,
keep cocaine upon my nightstand.

I'm a lowlife."

-Kid Rock, whom the fucking Detroit city NCAAP doesn't have a problem with.

Why don't you crack?

Hasn't cocaine killed enough?

What about prescription drugs that don't have the side effects of Haitian violence?

Fuck man what's going on?

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/341376.php

What's Up?

Gospace said...

"The Crack Emcee said...
Harold, you know dick and to think you actually tell blacks, what you think of as history, is laughable:"

"The slave trade was stopped almost singlehandedly by the British Navy. There were no black led fleets or even single ships aiding them."

Really? Not if you got your history from slaves - not books:

The Raid at Combahee Ferry was a military operation during the American Civil War; it was conducted on June 1 and June 2, 1863, by elements of the Union Army along the Combahee River in Beaufort and Colleton counties in southeast South Carolina.

Harriet Tubman, who had escaped from slavery in 1849 and guided many others to freedom, was working for the Union Army and guided its forces in the area. The Union Brigadier General Rufus Saxton credited Tubman as the only woman to plan and lead such a military raid. The Union ships transported more than 750 slaves freed by the raid, and many of the men joined the Union Army."

And all that is interesting, you said had absolutely nothing at all to do with stopping the slave trade. Nice try though. No, not really. Just kidding. http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_155.html gives some of the history. You really should learn something about actual history.

Guildofcannonballs said...

"AVC: You immediately hated the song, but did it get worse with the video and radio overplay? Does your hatred continue to grow?

DW: It grows to this day. If it was on in a bar or a restaurant, I would go out of my way to make them turn it off. There’s all kinds of bad music out there, but everything about the song makes my ears bleed. The over-singing, the awful lyrics, and the guitar. There’s a guitar solo in it that’s like what you learn the first week you get a guitar and take a lesson. They show you a blues scale, and that’s what is being played on the song. Everything about the song is so awful that if I sat down and tried to write the worst song ever, I couldn’t even make it 10 percent of the reality of how awful that song is."

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