February 16, 2014

"[H]e seems to treat women the way some people treat paper cups..."

One part of a 3-part item on the list of "2 things you need to understand about the Wells Report on Richie Incognito."

32 comments:

chickenlittle said...

Incognito was unknown to me until you brought him up.

azaniamindset said...

Given the dilemma that SI poses, long live Incognito!

betamax3000 said...

Re: "...the way some people treat paper cups..."

So How Many Ways are There for People to Treat a Paper Cup? Is Recycling a Good Thing or a Bad Thing in This Usage? Are There People Who Stay Monogamous with One Paper Cup? What Gender is the Paper Cup? What if Words are Flowing Out like Endless Rain into a Paper Cup?

I Have Questions.


mccullough said...

Very awkward opening paragraph. Should have had Cameron Diaz' pubic hair proofread it.

gadfly said...

The Wells report represents the chickafication of the NFL.

Real football fans believe that real men, like Incognito play in the NFL and the Jonathan Martin's have no place there.

Sticks and stones . . .

chickenlittle said...

So How Many Ways are There for People to Treat a Paper Cup?

Dunno. But as for the Red Solo Cup: "If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."

broomhandle said...

You mean the Red Collective Cup.

Chuck said...

Of course Michael Rosenberg thinks there are just two things that anybody needs to know about Richie Incognito. Because if we knew any more than tow things about the larger situation, it wouldn't serve Rosenberg's agenda.

If we knew more, we might know that his "victim," Jonathan Martin, participated in his own form of rough-and-tumble on Twitter and in life.

If we knew more, we'd find that in life, there are players in the NBA -- both white and black but mostly black by a lot -- had done much more to treat women "like a paper cup." Where seven (known) children by six different women doesn't even get you to the top of the list of most, uh, prolific athletes.

Before Rosenberg quit the Detroit Free Press, his biggest newspaper work had been his hit-job on the then-coach of the Michigan Wolverines. A piece of work that Rosenberg's old colleague at the Michigan Daily, the liberal New York columnist Jonathan Chait, called "journalistic malpractice."

chickenlittle said...

Does NFL commissioner Roger Goodell want an NFL that makes Richie Incognito a team captain? Or does he want a league that welcomes Michael Sam?

Clearly what the NFL needs is some top-down enforced ROE (rules of engagement) on and off the field. Let's get these rogues under control so that all talents can flower.

chrisnavin.com said...

Crackerjack stuff.

Great ideas inspire great writing.

I think there should be skyboxes full of angry activists at every game.

Ann Althouse said...

Words are flowing out like endless rain into a paper cup
They slither wildly as they slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow, waves of joy are drifting through my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Cliff said...

This whole thing strikes me as a good example of the republican-democrat debate on society and culture. Incognito represents the angry bigoted right, and Martin represents the touchy-feely emotional left.

Pogo is Dead said...

Gosh, I'm glad I didn't miss another important gay news story.

And Facebook now has 56 gender options!

Applause!

chickenlittle said...

broomhandle said...
You mean the Red Collective Cup.

There are billions of them yet they all look alike. Yet each one is a snowflake at the molecular level.

chickenlittle said...

Pogo is Dead said...
Gosh, I'm glad I didn't miss another important gay news story.

Don't you get GNC in your cable bundle in MN?

iowan2 said...

Boys will be boys. As I sit amoungst my post toddler grandchildren, playing. The girls with elaborate make believe social interaction scenarios. The boys, racing, competing about anything and everything, climbing, jumping, and challenging......everything.
To the writer there are two things about successful men. They are always fighting for the alpha position. Always. Even defeated, they challenge. Even victorious, they challenge.....every time.
I have no idea about the whole Incognito thing. I am sure what I have read has been interpreted through several ideological filters before the 'proper' 'selected' facts make their way into the arena of public knowledge.
This was a lousy whiny hit piece to start with, confirmed by the confusing addition of Micheal Sams in the whining narrative.
I'm betting this guy got picked last for everything and his therapist can't get him past it.

Pogo is Dead said...

"Don't you get GNC in your cable bundle in MN?

H8r.
Every channel must be a GNC.
All must applaud.
All must participate.

Michael said...

Incognito is a thug but what should we expect of someone whose whole life was dedicated to being admitted to the highest level of a thug sport? Martin was that rare thug who studied Classics. It was no surprise to him that thugishness prevailed. He was smart enough to have applied his own thug mask.

He might have even done the math: 11 minutes of actual play in a professional football game. Not a bad gig for dumbasses or Classics majors.

AJ Lynch said...

Incognito was known as one of the dirtiest players in the league which is kind of an honor. The Eagles Jon Runyan [now known as Congressman Runyan] was also known as a dirty player when he played.

This brouhaha over Martin and the Dolphins is a bunch of bull. Martin is just looking for a big payday from a lawsuit against the Dolphins.

EDH said...

This one goes out to Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin.

There is freedom within
there is freedom without
Try to catch a deluge in a paper cup
There's a battle ahead
many battles are lost
But you'll never see the end of the road
While you're travelling with me

Hey now, hey now
Don't dream it's over
Hey now, hey now
When the world comes in
They come, they come
To build a wall between us
We know they won't win

Now I'm towing my car
there's a hole in the roof
my possessions are causing me suspicion but there's no proof
in the paper today
tales of war and of waste
but you turn right over to the T.V. page

Now I'm walking again
to the beat of a drum
And I'm counting the steps to the door of your heart
Only shadows ahead
barely clearing the roof
Get to know the feeling of liberation and release

William said...

I saw the movie Black Swan. It really blew the lid off the bitchiness that goes on behind the scenes in big time ballet. And that bitchiness is nothing compared to what goes on in women's figure skating. Tanya Harding was just the tip of the iceberg. Sports Illustrated would do well to turn their attention away from football and explore the estrogen fueled rage fest that is women's figure skating.

paminwi said...

"This whole thing strikes me as a good example of the republican-democrat debate on society and culture. Incognito represents the angry bigoted right, and Martin represents the touchy-feely emotional left."

You are so wrong - Incognito is the left - a bully that always picks on others (racism, racism)and when they aren't comfortable with just themselves doing the picking on they recruit others. Incognito recruited Jim Turner, the offensive line coach, (also known as management) just like the liberals recruited the IRS to help with the picking on.

Throughout the whole thing the Coach and General Manager say they knew nothing about what was going on just like Obama knew nothing unitl he "READ IT IN THE PAPER"!

somefeller said...

I wa going to make a snarky comment, but paminwi just made that unnecessary.

Paco Wové said...

"X things you need to know about Y right now!!!" No, I don't. I don't need to know those things now. I don't need to know those things, ever. What is it about this headline trope ("{ENUMERATION} THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW! RIGHT NOW!!") that makes it catnip to hack website editors?

rcocean said...

SI has gone beyond parody. Who reads it besides liberals and SWPL's?

I'm still trying to understand how a 6 foot 300 lbs. football player can be "bullied".

As Incognito, what happens in the locker room should have been handled by Dolphins management and the Union. Martin has "mental issues", yeah Duh.

NFL team need to start doing psychological tests on the its draftees and rejecting those who have "issues".

broomhandle said...

The NFL actually does have their draftees do the Wonderlic evaluation. I'm guessing "choleric lions" outnumber "melancholy beavers" by a significant margin.

geokstr said...

I wonder if Incognito's first coach was BJ Clinton.

RecChief said...

when I read the headline of your post, my first thought was of Bill Clinton.

traditionalguy said...

Perhaps Martin was to submissive to authority. That is a big problem when the authority figure over you is a sadist.

The Dolphins wanted a sadist ruling Martin, so they should extend Incognito's contract and make him head coach so they can all get to enjoy his sadistic behavior.

Fen said...

when I read the headline of your post, my first thought was of Bill Clinton.

Same.

Tibore said...

Martin may not have had the mentality to handle adversity, but that doesn't change the fact Incognito was any sort of true, good, constructive leader. "Bully" is the wrong term for him; what he is is a suffocating thug who's worldview is all about him and not about his team. He exerts not the playground "bully" mentality, but more the '20s mobster worldview. He excuses his acts by pretending they're aimed towards team building and creating a cohesive sense of unity, but in reality that itself is an excuse for him to act like a miniature tyrant, taking himself to be the arbiter of what is good in the locker room and what should be outcast, but not having any metric beyond twisted personal opinion in how that's evaluated. Instead of working to improve the team, he was using his position to slag others for enjoyment. There is absolutely nothing constructive about his approach to teambuilding.

For those who's studied military history, specifically Ambrose's Band of Brothers: Incognito is somewhat analogous to how Herbert Sobel was portrayed. There was little that was openly constructive about Sobel's tyranny, and it became clear that much of it was less for strengthening the company of soldiers and more for sadistic personal self gratification. Now, the analogy doesn't extend too far; Sobel was considered an incompetent combat leader as well, while Incognito is held to be a very good player. Plus, Sobel's family disputed Ambrose's portrayal. But still, the point is that there's constructive toughness with a goal towards unity and group cohesion, and there's destructive toughness that's divisive and exploited merely for enjoyment. In the first, a person builds and bonds; in the second, a person "gets off" on what he does.

In Band of Brothers, it was always held that Richard Winters was the first while Herbert Sobel was the second. In today's issue, Richie Incogito is clearly the second.

While much of this may have come to light due to the utter lack of toughness on the part of Martin - who plays a position that's supposed to exhibit a great deal of personal, mental toughness - that doesn't change the fact that Incognito was also exposed not as a constructive, positive teammate, but a negative, divisive one. There's a reason that, before his days with Miami he was considered a locker room cancer. The Wells report is merely shedding light on details.

Tibore said...

Whoops, error in my post. Should read: "that doesn't change the fact Incognito was not any sort of true, good, constructive leader"...