August 25, 2012

Engaging in a trend called "Trash the Dress" — "where recent brides playfully destroy their wedding dress"...

... a beautiful woman dies:
The distraught photographer, Louis Pagakis, told CTV Montreal that he did everything he could to save [30-year-old Maria] Pantazopoulos after she got into danger.

She had her wedding dress on and she said, ‘take some pictures of me while I swim a little bit in the lake,’ she went in and her dress got heavy, I tried everything I could to save her,” he told the station, visibly emotional....

'She was doing the photo shoot in about 6 inches or 1-foot of water when part of her wedding dress got soaked and became extremely heavy,' [police spokesman Sgt. Ronald[ McInnis told MailOnline.
She was found 100 feet from the photo spot, sunk to the bottom, dragged down by the wedding dress.

55 comments:

cold pizza said...

So sad. Usually it's the guy who ends up with the epitaph, "Hey, watch this!" -CP

rhhardin said...

It would slow her down a lot but shouldn't get heavier.

Bob said...

Hmm, I was listening to Pink Floyd's underappreciated album Animals the other night; a lyric from Dogs is germane:

So have a good drown
As you go down
Dragged down by the stone...


The poor woman.

Erika said...
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The Crack Emcee said...

Clearly a Darwin Award runner-up.

If I get a vote, she might even make it,...

traditionalguy said...

The psyops mind control suggestions used in the War on Women goes on and on. Encouraging them to walk out into the lake in their wedding dress trick is a stroke of genius.

Chip Ahoy said...

Now I know for a fact that I am a bad person and you must not comport with me, I will lock myself up for I laugh at the wrong things and at the wrong time. In my defense, though, "I tried everything I could to save her” + Superman t-shirt.

wild chicken said...

Safer to just shove cake in each other's faces, yes?

wild chicken said...

Safer to just shove cake in each other's faces, yes?

Bob said...

@Chip Ahoy: Oscar Wilde had a similar problem, Chip: "“One must have a heart of stone to read the death of little Nell without laughing.”

Joe said...

A few months ago, a worker at Yellowstone Park died posing at a waterfall. Last three three hikers were playing at the top of Vernal Fall in Yosemite and died when swept away.

Too many people don't respect water.

Ellen said...

The premise sickens me.

Wally Kalbacken said...

Little Nell is dead? I didn't even know she was sick!

The photographer should be in shock, it will prepare him for the lawsuit!

fivewheels said...

The "trash the dress" premise? I never heard of that one before either.

Many strange reactions to this story. I'm kind of glad the comments are more meta and less "oh what a tragedy, wasn't she lovely," even though that's a perfectly fine reaction to have.

But why does it matter if she was beautiful? Why not just, "A woman dies"? Gee, it almost seems kind of unfeminist.

Nurse Rooke said...

Common sense is very uncommon. Studying the past can help make up for some deficits. Take Percy Shelley's wife who managed to drown herself in London's (very shallow) Serpentine precisely because her waterlogged dress dragged her down. This was before crinolines--dresses weren't nearly as heavy as Victorian ones were later. Crinolines provide a counterexample: take Thackeray's wife who threw herself overboard on the trip between England and Ireland but didn't drown because her huge crinoline kept her afloat, bobbing like a cork, long enough for her to be seen and rescued.

Maguro said...

I think garage would've been buoyant enough to survive. Even in the wedding dress.

Synova said...

We talked about this related to the rate of women dying when ships sank, countering the suggestion that women died because men weren't chivalrous.

furious_a said...

The Wedding Dress Gods are not mocked.

CWJ said...

The reporting of this is positively incoherent. So I don't know what to think. She was married in June but they refer to her husband as her fiance. One of the photo captions deep in the story refers to the woman as not having been named. The site is both "notoriously hazardous" and not perticulayly dangerous. She is simultaneously posing on a rock and in a foot of water. Maybe the rock was submerged but its not explicit. What gives!

sleepless nights said...

Clothes get very heavy wet. Wedding dresses are usually fairly heavy even dry. The first thing they taught us to do as children if we were thrown in the water was to get our jeans *off* and use them as inflatable devices to float. Some of the current tech fabrics stay light when wet, but I always shake my head at the various movies showing people diving in deep water in denim and saving themselves or someone else - it's almost impossible to move.

CWJ said...

Particularly of course

Paul said...

I was thinking Darwin Award myself but..

I doubt most people would have though the dress would get that heavy!

I'm sure the groom is devastated as well has his and his wife's families.

edutcher said...

This is why they teach the troops to swim with all their gear.

The Crack Emcee said...

Clearly a Darwin Award runner-up.

No, she'll make the grade.

PS I wonder if they'll amend those Sandals ads now.

jimbino said...

Double Darwin Award--the first for getting married.

Howard said...

RH:It would slow her down a lot but shouldn't get heavier.

The specific gravity of silk is 1.4, cotton is 1.5 and linen is 1.6

The specific gravity of water is 1.0

Do the math

Skyler said...

I guess some people only learn physics the hard way.

What a stupid tragedy and waste of life.

mtrobertsattorney said...

She fell in water 6'' to 1' deep and the photographer couldn't get her out?? This is what the cultural celebration of metrosexual males has given us.

n said...

"But why does it matter if she was beautiful?"

Indeed. "Beautiful bride" is redundant.

Still feeling sickened by the preposterous premise...

Irene said...

This is also a lesson for the parents who stage photo shoots of their babies as the infants pose on train tracks.

madAsHell said...

Ya' know, there's a war on womyn going on!! I'm sure she's just the first casualty.

Saint Croix said...

I almost drowned in a similar way. I was on a film shoot and I went into the ocean to retrieve a wine bottle we had tossed in. Rip tide pulled me out. I'm a strong swimmer but I could not believe how far out I was, and how heavy my clothes were. I was swimming and swimming and swimming, and I knew I wasn't going to make it. Could not believe it. Felt really stupid. And then I swallowed some water and I was starting to panic.

And then I stopped swimming and tried to touch bottom. Got my foot on the ocean floor and I walked out.

I was lucky, I think.

My heart goes out to her husband, her whole family. That's a horrible way to die.

Kirk Parker said...

CWJ,

Indeed, it's incoherent on steroids! You left out "I'm slipping, I'm slipping" vs "she said, ‘take some pictures of me while I swim a little bit in the lake,’ she went in and her dress got heavy".

WTF???

MayBee said...

What's this trash the dress trend? Why is that cute? Donate the dress if you don't want it any more.

kentuckyliz said...

Darwin Awards only work if you don't breed first. Please tell me this woman didn't have children.

Does trash the dress = trashing the institution of marriage now that you're safely in it?

Perhaps God bitch-smacked her for trashing the institution of holy matrimony.

Kidding.

kentuckyliz said...

The picture shows RAGING WHITEWATER. That has to be Class V rapids. Yes, people can die in water like that. I had a near death experience in less raging whitewater in 2009.

Aridog said...

edutcher said...

I wonder if they'll amend those Sandals ads now.

Hah. I always chuckle at those Sandals advertisements....the ones showing a bunch of people on the beach, swimming in the ocean, and the one you cite...jumping in to the ocean after getting married.

Balderdash. My daughter was married at Sandals in Nassau, in a three day extravaganza. Sandals there has a lovely beach....that nobody uses ... except for the photo ops. No one actually gets in the water....that I saw anyway. There are reasons for the huge swimming pools all Caribbean Sandals have right next to the ocean beech.

Those reasons are Requiem Sharks, which include Tiger, Bull and Blacktip sharks.

Saint Croix said...

So I do a little googling and I find out that there is a Darwin awards website, a Darwin awards book, and a Darwin awards movie.

I have read that the creator of the website, Wendy Northcutt, is a Stanford molecular biologist.

The whole idea seems rather juvenile and callous. And name-dropping a famous scientist first doesn't actually make it any less juvenile or callous.

"Before (the awards became popular), we were an insular community and we could make fun of people and those people (or their families) would never find out. But as it got bigger, I realized there was more and more danger of really hurting people."

Kind of slow on the uptake for Stanford. Maybe callousness and high IQ go together? Reminds me of the obliviousness of the Ivy Leaguers who write about "free-floating fetal heads" and are only vaguely aware of any problems.

If you have a really high IQ, you're on the outskirts of humanity, anyway. When you combine that with a belief in your genetic superiority, it might be a problem. Are you laughing at inferior people who are dying? Okay. Might want to think about that a little.

Saint Croix said...
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Saint Croix said...

It's kind of funny to reflect on Darwin's theory, and how it's played out with Darwin's name.

Charless Darwin, famous scientist. Wrote an important book.

Wendy Northcutt, inferior scientist, uses the name of famous scientist as intellectual cover.

Jimbob, anonymous guy on the internet, yells "Darwin!" at marriage, apparently because he has no idea how important reproduction is to Darwin.

Thus in a few short generations, the name "Darwin" becomes synonymous with an insult. "Marriage is stupid! Ha, ha, you're Darwin! Darwin!"

kentuckyliz said...

[I appreciate the irony of the mention of superman in the lyrics...since the photographer was wearing a superman T shirt]

Hey little sister what have you done?
Hey little sister who's the only one?
Hey little sister who's your superman?
Hey little sister who's the one you want?
Hey little sister shot gun!

It's a nice day to start again.
It's a nice day for a white wedding.
It's a nice day to start again.

Hey little sister who is it you're with?
Hey little sister what's your vice and wish?
Hey little sister shot gun (oh yeah)
Hey little sister who's your superman?
Hey little sister shot gun!

It's a nice day to start again (come on)
It's a nice day for a white wedding
It's a nice day to start again.

(Pick it up)

Take me back home

Hey little sister what have you done?
Hey little sister who's the only one?
I've been away for so long (so long)
I've been away for so long (so long)
I let you go for so long

It's a nice day to start again (come on)
It's a nice day for a white wedding
It's a nice day to start again.

There is nothin' fair in this world
There is nothin' safe in this world
And there's nothin' sure in this world
And there's nothin' pure in this world
Look for something left in this world
Start again

Come on
It's a nice day for a white wedding
It's a nice day to start again.
It's a nice day to start again.
It's a nice day to start again

Jim in St Louis said...

Let's make a bet-

I wager that within 1 year all wedding dresses will be required by law to have a warning label on them, just like that tag on the mattress- saying something like :"Do not attempt stupid swimming stunts while wearing the dress"

Dust Bunny Queen said...

'She’s a really fun girl, and she just didn’t want her wedding dress sitting in a box in the closet.

So, instead of donating her dress to another poorer woman who couldn't afford such an extravagant dress or to a charity where someone else would have been trilled to wear a beautiful wedding dress.....she decides to destroy the hard work and beauty and just throw more money away in an already over the top and ostentatious ceremony.

I think it pretty ironic that the dress killed her before she could kill it.

elkh1 said...

Beautiful? Not in the brain dept.

jimbino said...

@Saint Croix

"Jimbob, anonymous guy on the internet, yells 'Darwin!' at marriage, apparently because he has no idea how important reproduction is to Darwin."

Darwin was a scientist. The plankton and finches of his studies were not married.

The scientist realizes that marriage, copulation, cohabitation, companionship, breeding and child rearing are all independent states or activities, not one of them nowadays necessarily linked to any other.

The only thing definitely linked to marriage is divorce, and marriage and divorce differ from the other activities or states in that, among the animals, they are uniquely practiced by Man as a result of religion and superstition.

Yes, folks who marry nowadays are entitled to the Darwin award.

Aridog said...

Jimbino ...The scientist realizes that marriage, copulation, cohabitation, companionship, breeding and child rearing are all independent states or activities, not one of them nowadays necessarily linked to any other.

Hogwash. "Marriage", as legally defined, is a Homo Sapiens Sapiens construct. Okay. Given that, remove that word from your statement relative to life activities, and you have again demonstrated you know nothing about mammalian wild life, or human life, let alone scientific knowledge of their activities and the relationships therein. How do you do it and keep a straight face?

jimbino said...

@Arldog,

Do you consider humans, plankton and finches to be "mammalian wildlife"?

Freeman Hunt said...

How sad. Any person might suffer a moment's foolishness. Too bad that hers was at the worst time.

jimbino said...

@Arldog,

What about my quoted statement does not ring true regarding sapient Homos?

jimbino said...

@Aridog,

regarding "The scientist realizes that marriage, copulation, cohabitation, companionship, breeding and child rearing are all independent states or activities, not one of them nowadays necessarily linked to any other."

Interesting exam question; here I spell out the independence, in the case of sapient Homos, for you and the other non-scientist commenting here:

marriage alone: "sham marriage" for pay, recognized in law by the INS

copulation alone: called a "one-night stand," even though one of the partners has traditionally thought conversation a desirable part of it.

cohabitation alone: called "roommates"

companionship alone: called "friendship"

breeding alone: called single motherhood by IVF

child rearing alone: called "foster parenting"

Actually, if you read Jane Goodall, you will find examples among her Chimpanzees of each of these, except for IVF motherhood, for obvious reasons. What really separates sapient Homos from Chimpanzees is the superstition and religion of the Homos.

Aridog said...

jimbino said...


Do you consider humans, plankton and finches to be "mammalian wildlife"?

No, and neither do you. BUT you did not make that distinction in your next paragraph....the one that I cited as hogwash when stated as a generality.

None the less, several Avian species do have inter-connected activities that you seem to believe are disparate and unrelated or independent.

Mammals of multiple species have interconnected dependencies between the activities you cite, which imply a basis in mammalian species as well.

You prefer to cite the activities as "not necessarily" dependent, which cops out on those that are dependent. You do this because it is the only way to support your argument.

As for you even near first hand knowledge of wildlife, even domestic animal life, ...there simply is none evident in your writing. Zero.

I haven't time to lecture on animal territoriality, associative behavior, and cultural anthropology ... to someone who obviously has studied none of it.

Aridog said...

Jimbino ... you need to do more more first hand field research of animal behaviors and read less on the work of others, which you do not understand. Your claim to be a scientist, if in a field even slightly related to animal life, is pure fraud. Simple as that.

If you have a science background I suspect it might be Chemistry or Physics. I started out in Chemistry and you sound like one trying to presume one field convey omnibus expertise.

Aridog said...

Jimbino... What really separates sapient Homos from Chimpanzees is the superstition and religion of the Homos.

That's it, eh? See....there you go again with the rubbish, cutely stated in proximity to reference to Jane Goodall....however, she said nothing of the kind and you know that too.

Or maybe you don't.

We're done here....shoveling against the tide is boring to me.

LilyBart said...

But why does it matter if she was beautiful? Why not just, "A woman dies"?

Yes, this seems wrong to me too. As if it would have been less tragic if an average looking woman were to die.

Saint Croix said...

The scientist realizes that marriage, copulation, cohabitation, companionship, breeding and child rearing are all independent states or activities, not one of them nowadays necessarily linked to any other.

Uh-huh. I think marriage is better for a child's survival than abandoning him in the woods like a pagan. But please, Mr. Scientist, tell us why marriage is bad for reproduction and children, and will lead to the extinction of our species.

Aridog said...

Saint Croix ... I think marriage is better for a child's survival than abandoning him in the woods...

Of course it is...family relevance is true among various animal species as well, such as wolves, meerkats, or elephants, by way of example. "Marriage" per se is merely the human means to acknowledge a family center. Wolves have a similar ritual in their Alpha/Alpha pairings...and they too exhibit infidelity now and then.

Our resident "scientist" expounds on subjects he knows nothing about. He might want to start with some actual field observations and learn from there. I recommend he study meerkat clans and the familial behaviors exhibited there. Or just spend some time in Yellowstone observing wolves and coyotes.