May 21, 2012

"Ron Paul Decisively Wins Minnesota..."

"... and Carries Delegates in Multiple Other States."

37 comments:

Pastafarian said...

Minnesota's state motto: "Making the other states look sane and sober by comparison since 1858."

I think Governor The Body approved that motto when he was in office.

Synova said...

Huh.

Suppose the voters in Minnesota decided that Romney will be the candidate so they were free to vote for Paul as a message to the Republican establishment?

Xmas said...

This upcoming Republican convention is going to be a blast!!

Now, Ron Paul won't have the delegates to win the nomination, but his delegates are also involved with voting on the planks in the 2012 presidential platform.

Scott M said...

Things must really be getting bad in Minnesota. I saw that coffee at the Ron Paul voter rally was up to $10 Minnesota Militia dollars.

Christopher in MA said...

At least Crack will be happy.

Mitchell said...

Hopefully the Ron Paul delegates will coordinate their funny hats.

John said...

Sounds good to me!

Ron Paul has not gotten enough attention and in a way this is good. He has flown under the radar getting a fair number of delegates.

Thought Romney (or Santorum) won Iowa? Look again. They did but Paul got the delegates

Ditto Nevada and a number of other states.

Even where the delegates are bound to Romney, some are Paul supporters. They can't vote for him on the first ballot but can abstain, denying Romney a first ballot victory.

2nd ballot anything can happen. They could even nominate the divine Ms Palin.

Now there would be a ticket. Palin and Paul and I would not care who was on top.

I am really, really, really, looking forward to the conventions.

I am beginning to have hope.

OTOH, if Romney gets the nod, I'm going with Obama. Better the real thing than Obama lite.

John Henry

Shanna said...

Suppose the voters in Minnesota decided that Romney will be the candidate so they were free to vote for Paul as a message to the Republican establishment?

Protest votes are easy to do when your vote doesn't matter! I haven't even decided if I will bother to vote in the primaries. I was going to vote dem primary to vote for a guy I went to high school with but he's one district over. Then I could have voted for the Wolfe over Obama, which would have been fun.

edutcher said...

These are the people that gave us Al Franken, too.

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John said...

Now there would be a ticket. Palin and Paul and I would not care who was on top.

Bet she would.

OTOH, if Romney gets the nod, I'm going with Obama. Better the real thing than Obama lite.

As a great American track star once noted, "Stupid is as stupid does".

John said...

Edutcher,

Perhaps you could tell me what policies and programs Romney would implement differently from Obama?

Do you really expect that Romney would cut spending?

Do you really think that Romney would stop EPA's and other alphabet agency's pogrom against non-favored business?

Do you really think Romney would bring the troops home from Uganda and the hundreds of other places we have no business being?

Perhaps Romney's policies would not be quite as bad as Obama's. Perhaps. And "not quite".

On the other hand, Romney is much more competent than Obama so he would probably have better success in implementing them.

So if we can't get change, give me Obama. Better bad policies unimplemented by gridlock and incompetence than slightly less bad policies that get implemented.

John Henry

BTW - Re Paul and Palin. Quite right. I doubt that Palin would settle for second place again. Been there, done that and so on. I would be fine with her in the White House and Paul presiding over the Senate.

MadisonMan said...

OTOH, if Romney gets the nod, I'm going with Obama. Better the real thing than Obama lite.

Meh. I'm unconvinced that Obama II would be better than Obama I or Romney I.

Obama has some convincing to do. I'm not sure they can, though, as the campaign seems pretty defensive.

Thorley Winston said...

The link goes to a Ron Paul press release so that and a box of Reynolds Wrap will make you a pretty nice three-pointed hat to wear at his next rally.


We just had our State convention this weekend and I’m not all that surprised that Paul’s delegates worked the process to get their people sent to Tampa but I doubt that it’s going to make any difference. Romney will almost certainly (baring a highly improbable fatal accident) have more than enough pledged delegates at the national convention to make win the endorsement on the first ballot and shatter the dreams of those who were hoping for a brokered convention.

machine said...

Not to worry. The RNC will just change the rules at the convention (see Nevada) or engage in RPaul voter suppression (which they are trying to become very good at lately...)

damikesc said...

Not to worry. The RNC will just change the rules at the convention (see Nevada) or engage in RPaul voter suppression (which they are trying to become very good at lately...)

This is funny given the DNC's efforts involving delegates in Arkansas and W. Virginia, huh?

Or their efforts in 2008 to shut out Hillary delegates.

So if we can't get change, give me Obama. Better bad policies unimplemented by gridlock and incompetence than slightly less bad policies that get implemented.

Yes, we need an Obama unrestrained by needing to ever face the American voters ever again. That couldn't possibly be a bad idea.

Scott M said...

The RNC will just change the rules at the convention (see Nevada) or engage in RPaul voter suppression (which they are trying to become very good at lately...)

They saw how well changing the rules after the fact worked for the DNC in 2008 and took good notes. Why would you hold that against them?

edutcher said...

John said...

Edutcher,

Perhaps you could tell me what policies and programs Romney would implement differently from Obama?


As a matter of fact, I do beleive he'll do things differently.

For one, I think we'll have a foreign policy in line with most Americans' beliefs and in the interests of this country.

And, yes, I do believe Romney will cut spending - how much is going to be up to Congress, but he does seem to get it and he does get the idea this will be visited on everyone's progeny. His record as governor in the People's Republic does have some good things in it, although it's his record at Bain that interests me most.

BTW, I wouldn't crow too much about Captain Tin Foil, one of the prize earmarkers in Congress.

PS This nonsense about better Obama than Obama lite has the smell of somebody who wants to pick up his ball and go home because his guy didn't win.

If John thinks Zero is that bad, he wouldn't vote for him in any case - if he cared anything about this country.

PPS I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of Libertarians, aside from some Conservative ones like Boortz and Insta, are just Lefties who don't feel guilty about wanting to hang onto their money.

machine said...

deflection...always deflection...

Scott M said...

deflection...always deflection...

What else would you rather we debate precognition with, machine?

Matthew Sablan said...

"Thought Romney (or Santorum) won Iowa? Look again. They did but Paul got the delegates"

-- That is not a crowning endorsement of the caucus system.

Calypso Facto said...

Now we know. Machine teaches his equivalency = deflection schtick in North Carolina:

The teacher responded: "Let me tell you something ... you will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom."
The teacher went on to say the two candidates are "not equal."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/21/nc-teacher-captured-on-video-suggesting-student-could-be-arrested-for-obama/#ixzz1vWmmMSss

Original Mike said...
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Original Mike said...

"PPS I'm coming to the conclusion that a lot of Libertarians, aside from some Conservative ones like Boortz and Insta, are just Lefties who don't feel guilty about wanting to hang onto their money."

This libertarian will vote for Romney in a nanosecond. Approve Keystone, increase energy exploration, defund/repeal ObamaCare (what exactly he can do will depend on Congress). I'm not excited about Romney, but you have to be some kind of stupid to think there will be no difference between him and Obama.

Thorley Winston said...

This libertarian will vote for Romney in a nanosecond. Approve Keystone, increase energy exploration, defund/repeal ObamaCare (what exactly he can do will depend on Congress). I'm not excited about Romney, but you have to be some kind of stupid to think there will be no difference between him and Obama.

That goes double for this libertarian as well. I’d also add:

Supports the Reins Act (finally beginning to curtail the forty-year growth of the regulatory state)
Supports Paul Ryan-style reform of Medicare
Supports Cut (5% of non-defense discretionary spending), Cap (20% of GDP) and Balance

Phil 3:14 said...

So Mr. Paul has capitalized on the Republican Party structure and process. Will he and his followers continue to work within the Party structure going forward and after the Convention ?

I hope so. It will be good for the Republican party and the libertarian movement.

Thorley Winston said...

Now we know. Machine teaches his equivalency = deflection schtick in North Carolina:


The teacher responded: "Let me tell you something ... you will not disrespect the president of the United States in this classroom."

The teacher went on to say the two candidates are "not equal."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/21/nc-teacher-captured-on-video-suggesting-student-could-be-arrested-for-obama/#ixzz1vWmmMSss



I sat through the entire audio recording and can’t say that I’m overly impressed with this social studies teacher (assuming the recording is legitimate). She asserted that people were put in jail for comments that they made about then President Bush 43 then later seemed to back off and said that they were “reprimanded” (which is totally the same thing). The teacher also seemed to have very little self-control in how she spoke (being very shrill and argumentative) and the discussion (which I thought was about an inane topic but could have been turned into something productive) actually deteriorated when she joined in and then basically ended by playing the “I’m your teacher and I said so” card.


I weep for the state of public education.

crosspatch said...

"Suppose the voters in Minnesota decided that Romney will be the candidate so they were free to vote for Paul as a message to the Republican establishment?"

I don't think this was done by voters. This was done by Paul supporters gaming the system to their advantage. Minnesota is a caucus state which means the actual delegates bear no relationship to the actual wishes of the majority of Republicans in the state. Paul doesn't have that much support in Minnesota among the rank and file voters.

Freder Frederson said...

Supports Cut (5% of non-defense discretionary spending), Cap (20% of GDP) and Balance

You're not much of a libertarian if you don't also support significant defense cuts.

Kirk Parker said...

edutcher (in response to J. Henry),

You forgot about Supreme Court appointments. Romney's may well be disappointing (e.g. no JRB) but Obama's would be guaranteed terrible.

edutcher said...

Kirk, thank you, for an excellent point. the next Administration may appoint up to 4 SCOTUS Justices.

Thorley, Mike, good points, too.

Freder Frederson said...

Supports Cut (5% of non-defense discretionary spending), Cap (20% of GDP) and Balance

You're not much of a libertarian if you don't also support significant defense cuts.


As I said, there are Conservative Libertarians, and there are Lefties who don't feel guilty about hanging onto their money.

Wonder which Freder hates the most?

Scott M said...

You're not much of a libertarian if you don't also support significant defense cuts.

It depends entirely on the cuts being made and your definition of "significant". I can't think of a libertarian that I know that doesn't believe there's a single department, anywhere, in the federal government that cannot withstand a 5% haircut.

James Pawlak said...

I have noted that the MN GOP is in deep financial trouble as it is facing bankruptcy. It also allowed its last senatorial contest to be stolen by fraudulent voters and the election of a traitor (A Muslim) to the USA Senate.

Original Mike said...
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Original Mike said...

"I can't think of a libertarian that I know that doesn't believe there's a single department, anywhere, in the federal government that cannot withstand a 5% haircut."

Yeah. I'm fine discussing defense cuts.

However, don't libertarians believe one of the legitimate functions of government is national defense? I'm not an "official" libertarian so I may be wrong on this. I call myself a libertarian because I believe in fiscal responsibity, small government, and staying out of people's lives. Thus, I don't fit into either of the major parties.

Scott M said...

However, don't libertarians believe one of the legitimate functions of government is national defense? I'm not an "official" libertarian so I may be wrong on this.

Most "official" libertarians will set down their copy of The Probability Broach long enough to tell you that if you ended all non-embassy deployments and brought all those troops and equipment home, that would be just fine and dandy. Don't let anyone ever tell you libertarians wouldn't redeploy those troops on the southern border either.

Thorley Winston said...

Don't let anyone ever tell you libertarians wouldn't redeploy those troops on the southern border either.

Wouldn’t that upset those libertarians who think that people should or do have the right to unrestricted travel across national boundaries?

Muns said...

Thank the Lord we'll have Ron Paul at the convention to keep the cultists on point. It's unbelievable we have to resort to babysitting.

Methadras said...

And.... no one cares...

























RON PAUL rEVOLution!!!!