April 27, 2012

"Predictable Althouse is predictable."

Says a familiar lefty commenter, provoking me to say:
Does that include the idea — see Ipso Fatso, supra — that I'm surely going to vote for Obama?

I love that I'm so obviously totally for him and against him.

Somebody please explain.
It's really quite weird. My regular right-leaning readers keep seeing me as secretly devoted to Obama, no matter what mockery I indulge in. They think I'm just trying to trick them into thinking I've got what I like to call cruel neutrality. And yet the left-leaning readers assume I loathe Obama.

What's so annoying about this is that I want to write things that are fresh and surprising. And seeming to be both for and against Obama should work for that end, and yet it doesn't, because everyone seems to assume I'm on the side that they are not. They think I'm predictable — but which way?

Oh, maybe I should be the opposite of annoyed. Pleased. Because I'm not giving anybody what they want, and yet people — some people, who are they? — keep reading. To be denied what you want and still want more from that source... I'm going to be happy to be that source.

Cruel neutrality, baby.

132 comments:

Scott M said...

My regular right-leaning readers keep seeing me as secretly devoted to Obama, no matter what mockery I indulge in.

Please qualify that with "some of", maybe even with "a few of".

Ken said...

My regular right-leaning readers keep seeing me as secretly devoted to Obama, no matter what mockery I indulge in.

Because you voted for him in 2008 despite knowing what he'd do to the country. While McCain wasn't a huge improvement he was still a better choice. But you decided to vote for a man who had the most radically left wing vote in the senate, rather than a proven moderate.

AllieOop said...

Keep it coming, keep everyone guessing! If the right leaners here begin to get complacent, throw in a questionable pro Obama post again.

I love it when they get their undies in a bundle, that was fun last time.

Canuck said...

After the "advice to Obama" column it was established that you weren't actually considering voting for him.

I've been under the impression you are voting for Romney and Walker.

To be a "true" swing voter you have to be persuadable. Don't think you are a swing voter this year. Romney would have to do something crazy for you to not vote for him.

I also think at least one of your sons is voting Romney this year. And we know Meade is voting Romney. It's a Romney year for Meadehouse!

Ken said...

Cruel neutrality, baby.

As the term is used by you,

cruel neutrality = completely self-unaware

Will Cate said...

Well, let's just say that a few some certain commenters here, of both political leanings, are hyper-obsessed with reading between the lines of Ann's every utterance. Such people might want to, oh, I don't know... get a life? Who she votes for is her business, and if she doesn't make up her mind until the last second, hey, she's in good company there.

edutcher said...

It's like the old bit from Mad Magazine ca. 1960:

A magazine solely for beats has an advice column. One beat writes:

I'm a sadist, my wife is a masochist. She keeps begging me to beat her and I keep saying, "No".

What's going on, man?

Hurting.

Dear Hurting,

You're winning, man.


That's Ann, in her black leather corset and thigh high boots, whip in hand. All the ideologues want her to beat them and all they get is

Cruel neutrality, baby.

Bart Torvik said...

Keep in mind that the regular commenters here are a very small slice of your readership. Regular commenters—on any blog, in any forum—tend to be somewhat ... different. Most people (like me, of course!) who read your blog with some regularity do so in part because your observations can be surprising.

TosaGuy said...

The post that sparked your comment was without any arguement or substance. It is simply an insinuation.

I think most of us here find lines of attack, whether left or right, to be pretty boring and unimaginative. We aren't here to agree or disagree with you or need you to be on our particular side of an issue.

I think most of us here like how you spark a conversation that takes on a life of its own and doesn't revolve around what you necessarily think or even needs your input to continue. This blog is the catalyist of and not the substance of the conversation.

traditionalguy said...

You Professor, seem to be willing to listen to rants from the good, the bad and the ugly Conservatives, and yet you don't pander to them any more than you pander to the liberals.

The liberals probably watch to see you walk that tight wire with creative verbal moves.

The great question is whether as a feminist you can ever be seen as a conservative. I say you can because the two together conserve womens' valuable skills which we all need whether we admit it or not.

Christopher in MA said...

I don't know that I see you as secretly devoted to Obama. Willingly gulled the first time, yes. But I'd like to think that the last three years of blue-state, overreaching, overspending government has sobered you a tad. And frankly, given what you know about Obama - his temperament, his work ethic, his knowledge, his circle (all things obvious to those who bothered to look in 2008) - I can't imagine you voting for this vapid poseur again.

But I'm a Red Sox fan. I've been wrong before.

Christopher in MA said...

"I love it when they get their undies in a bundle, that was fun last time."

And I'll love the epic, foamy-mouthed shrieks of rage coming from you and garage when Walker stays in office and Obama is stomped harder than a narc at a biker rally.

RMc said...

The meme "(X) (Y) is (X)" is itself predictable.

Patrick said...

I'm with Tosa Guy on this. While I confess to some curiosity, I don't particularly care for whom you vote. Honestly, when I first came to this blog, back in the day, I assumed that you, a law professor especially at Madison, would be a typical lefty law professor. In fact, I likely put off reading the blog for awhile because I assumed it would be the same old boring lefty stuff. This is a very interesting blog, and your political opinions or votes are part of that, but really, there's a lot more to it. Vote for Ron Paul for all I care, or Dennis Kucinich. Just don't be boring about it!

pm317 said...

Cruel Neutrality?!

More like Clueless! Sometimes, you just seem like you don't have a clue what is going on as in what went on in Primary 2008 (case in point your other post today on immigration). You are just a shallow observer who goes after both sides just for the heck of it. You are playing with your readers. But that is OK. You still give us an interesting nugget here and there that we come back. Don't flatter yourself too much about your in-depth anything. But that is OK too -- this is not your day job.

Original Mike said...

I don't think you're "secretly devoted" to Obama. I do fear that when you are ultimately faced with the actual ballot, you will exhibit the same poor judgement you showed in 2008. I believe the lure of the hip, historic Obama is just too strong for you to resist.

Hope I'm wrong.

AllieOop said...

ChrisinMA, and visions of sugarplums danced in his head...

Waukesha County will be in mourning and the rest of us will be dancing in the streets of Wisconsin.

Synova said...

For what it's worth, I considered you firmly liberal from 2004 to at least 2010 and only recently turning decidedly in a conservative direction. And I don't go by Obama posts for that at all.

It's more all those little things that changed "but of course government should help" to "government, by its nature, isn't very good at helping."

But that may all be my imagination.

ndspinelli said...

National sports announcers also experience this dynamic. They broadcast a game to a national audience not caring who wins. They are just pros doing a game and BOTH teams fans will text and email them that they're rooting for the "other" team. It's simply a characteristic of partisanship, no matter the venue. These broadcasters are too vexed by this but there's no solution. So "woman up" and embrace the fact that this is just the way it works.

edutcher said...

Synova, the reason she's turned is that we have a man on the inside.

As it were.

Roger J. said...

Its all about page view and clicks on amazon.com

pm317 said...

edutcher said...

Synova, the reason she's turned is that we have a man on the inside.
----------------

ouch! a conservative man, no less.

Ipso Fatso said...

Until you actually cast your vote against Barackula this fall (and even at that I have to take you at your word, I have no other proof)I will fairly or unfairly lump you into an updated version of MODO: the scorned woman who berates her fallen hero, BO, (Or as MODO did in the 1990s, Clinton) and then at the last minute says "Never mind! I will stand with him to the end!" That is what I see coming, I hope I am wrong but you never know.

Dave said...

Ann,
You are interesting precisely because, although I read you as center left (based on voting history and take on social issues), your observations often cross political lines. Principle over party is attractive. The other reason this blog holds interest is because it's a relatively polite mix of left and right rather than the closed circle of admirers too many blogs create.

AllieOop said...

Edutcher said;
The reason she's turned is that we have a man on the inside.

As it were.

4/27/12 10:56 AM

Sexist. I guess you don't think Ann can think on her own and is so weak a little man on the inside will change her political philosophy? How insulting.

Sorry Meade I don't mean to imply you are little in any way shape or form.

garage mahal said...

Loving the latest drone attacks.

Obama is toooooo cool! He's hip! And ya know, that ain't cool!

Catch me on Myspace yo!

LOLZ

cubanbob said...

After three years of progressive democrats running the country there aren't any really undecided voters. Only those that live or depend on big government and everyone else. The election will turn on wich side is jazzed up enough or depressed enough to show up and or stay home. On thing for sure is that the vote fraud will be massive in favor of the democrats.

Ann's blog is interesting precisely because she isn't a boring predictable lefty.

The Crack Emcee said...

Cruel neutrality, baby.

You're hilarious. "We all love Obama" and Romney is "gorgeous"? Where's the cruelty?

Oh yeah, that's reserved for the little guys.

Party on, Wayne,...

Chip S. said...
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Richard Dolan said...

"To be denied what you want and still want more from that source... I'm going to be happy to be that source."

OK. So life is complex. No need to overdo it. Just keep on writing -- without that the conversation (I use the term loosely but it still fits) dies.

The Crack Emcee said...

Libs (or even your other readers) may not have you figured out, but I do.

You (and your peers) ARE pretty predictable,...

lemondog said...

I love that I'm so obviously totally for him and against him.

Seemingly not so complex.

Your gooey emotional 'white guilt' side is for him, while your fact-based intellectual is not.

I experience a dichotomy re: capital punishment: intellectually I am against, but when I read of violent incidents against children or animals .......**grrrrrrrrrr** **snarl** **snap**

Pete said...

It doesn't matter what Althouse says, it matters what she does. She was supposedly cruelly neutral in the last race but eventually posted a ridiculous entry of how McCain lost her and how perfectly justified she would be to vote for Obama. Since casting that vote, she's made laughable attempts at justifying her vote, never once, to my knowledge, admitting her mistake.

In the months to come, you can expect a blog entry of how Romney will have lost her and Obama once again is the logical choice.

What's predictable about Althouse is that she thinks her "cruel neutrality" covers her predictability.

SGT Ted said...

I am waiting for this next election to judge Althouse on Cruel Neutrality grounds.

Roger J. said...

"cruel neutrality" is a schtick and nothing more--will give the professor a lot of credit for using it in her behalf. I do admire her entreprenurial talent.

john said...

FGS, it was just Zachary. He tends to be predictable.

Although usually longer winded.

campy said...

It doesn't matter what Althouse says, it matters what she does. She was supposedly cruelly neutral in the last race but eventually posted a ridiculous entry of how McCain lost her and how perfectly justified she would be to vote for Obama. Since casting that vote, she's made laughable attempts at justifying her vote, never once, to my knowledge, admitting her mistake.

What mistake? McCain would have been as bad or worse.

Roger J. said...

Campy: we will never know, will we.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

I'm not fooled. No way Althouse makes the same mistake this November.

dreams said...

Cruel neutrality, I don't think so. This time Althouse is going to vote for Romney. People should learn from their mistakes even if they won't admit they made a mistake.

FormerlyUnknown said...

Meh. I don't read this blog in order to obsess over what Althouse will or won't do, or how she'll vote. I don't really care. Why would I care? She can "But this....on the other hand....except look at the other other hand.." all she wants. What has that to do with me?

I read it because it's interesting, and the comments are usually interesting. Unpredictability is only intriguing or annoying if you have some burning desire to predict. I don't.

Marty said...

I don't give a shit who you vote for. I just like the way you think.

ricpic said...

I guess it's fine and dandy to be neutral about a destroyer when he's not destroying YOU.

SteveR said...

If Mortimer was awake, he'd say you're being mean to ZPS.

Original Mike said...

"I'm not fooled. No way Althouse makes the same mistake this November."

You know what they say:

"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — You can't get fooled again."

Original Mike said...

"I don't really care. Why would I care [who Althouse votes for]?"

I care because I care about Althouse.

bagoh20 said...

With most mistakes that people make, they usually know it's a mistake when they do it, they simply create a justification for dropping their values and logic, for some new weak ones or nothing at all. Some people call it "following your heart". I call it the "fuckit". I see it all the time when people say something like "I know this is wrong or stupid, but fuckit." Now your more uppity ones, they have a reputation and image to maintain, so they they have to come up with something better, usually with a long explanation, but it's still just another "fuckit".

This is how people refuse to leave abuse, either by others or on themselves. It's most primitive form is when someone puts down their beer and says "watch this", but there are many others, some with levels of complexity.

pst314 said...

"What's so annoying about this is that I want to write things that are fresh and surprising. And seeming to be both for and against Obama should work for that end..."

Some of us feel that the issues at stake are far more important than taking pleasure in being cleverly ambiguous.

joethefatman said...

nah, i just think you're a squishy moderate.

garage mahal said...

"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — You can't get fooled again."

Besides criticizing Obama, what exactly is Romney offering to voters anyway? Does anyone really know? Tax cuts for his rich friends? Defund Planned Parenthood?

bagoh20 said...

The 2008 election was just a terrible choice to have to make if you were anywhere from center to far right. There was a very unreliable conservative against the most liberal member of congress, with no resume or experience.

The responsible thing would be to vote for the devil we know.

I think Obama is pretty bad, but I also think we got incredibly lucky that he wasn't worse. Imagine if he actually kept his promises. You have to have considered him a shameless liar or an idiot who would be kept under control to safely vote for him, unless you just told yourself: "hey cool, the first black President, and maybe he'll be OK. In other words, "fuckit".

Kirk Parker said...

Althouse,

"My regular right-leaning readers keep seeing me as secretly devoted to Obama, no matter what mockery I indulge in. They think I'm just trying to trick them into thinking I've got what I like to call cruel neutrality."

My take on this: it's not that people think you're trying to "trick" anyone, it's that we all told you this before the election, that e.g. his talk was all just BS, and that his lack of any demonstrable competence would result it, well, pretty much what we see. So the reaction is much more, "Oh, so now you finally notice..."

WV: droul --- ah, wasn't that supposed to go with the Clooney thread?

I Callahan said...

Besides criticizing Obama, what exactly is Romney offering to voters anyway? Does anyone really know? Tax cuts for his rich friends? Defund Planned Parenthood?

I'll most likely vote for Romney, but I have to admit that I partially agree with Garage on this. The reason most are voting for him is because he's not Obama.

But then, I was a Santorum voter. So take that for what it's worth.

FormerlyUnknown said...

I care, because I care about Althouse

That's understandable and commendable, if you either know her personally or are a longtime commenter here. But I still don't get how who she decides to vote for in the end, for whatever reasons, would be the object of your caring. How can deciding to vote for the "wrong" candidate be harmful to her? I can understand the argument that it's harmful to the country. But is she harming herself? Such that your caring for her would compel you to be concerned over her choice?

I'm not being snarky - I actually don't understand this.

Roger J. said...
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Roger J. said...

Not Being Obama is a major strong suit--and I would suspect that Mr Romney might be a bit more competent than the current occupant of the White House.

Sue D'Nhym said...

"They think I'm predictable — but which way?"

The way where you poke liberals with sticks while ending up voting Democratic nine times out of ten.

Pogo said...

Zachary's taunt of "Predictable" is just his lame way of trying to shame you out of heresy (i.e. voting non-lefty).

It's content-free and emotional; a schoolyard level of sophistication.

Those on the right who won't forgive you are angry that Obama and the Democrats were even worse than they expected, and want some groveling apology, which wouldn't be enough.

It is what it is; let's move on.

I Callahan said...

I would suspect that Mr Romney might be a bit more competent than the current occupant of the White House

You "suspect" this. But none of us really knows. Don't get me wrong - that's not a reason to stay home or vote Obama. Suspicion is the best we have going for us.

About the competency part - how do we know Obama ISN'T being competent. Maybe all (or most) of this is planned?

Imagine his getting a second term.

Original Mike said...

Not sure why it's a mystery, Formerly. Surely you wince when you see someone you care about make a mistake. (For the record, I've lost track of how may years I've been commenting here. It's a very long time).

bagoh20 said...

"what exactly is Romney offering to voters anyway?"

To take the keys away from the guy with the Cinderella license who thinks he's Mario Andretti before we drive of a cliff.

Romney is a proven driver with a record of actually getting from point A to B without totaling the car.

I don't expect Romney to do a bunch of great reforms. I expect him to just stop screwing things up beyond repair before it's too late.

Original Mike said...

"Besides criticizing Obama, what exactly is Romney offering to voters anyway?"

Repealing ObamaCare, supporting a responsible federal budget (a la Paul Ryan). That's a pretty damn good start.

Chip S. said...

@garage--A 50-state Obamacare waiver on Day One is sufficient reason by itself.

General competence and a respect for the rule of law are pretty attractive Romney traits, too.

I suppose it's possible to call those things merely "not being Obama," in which case "not being Obama" is indeed a sufficient basis for highly enthusiastic support.

Paul said...

No Ann,

Us conservatives think that when you say 'If only Obama would say what I wanted to hear' that you secretly are still for him.

Meanwhile the economy grew at only 2.3 percent, not 3.0 as last quarter and not 2.6 as 'expected'.

So between Afghanistan, economy, Secret Service scandal, EPA "crucify 'em", GOA scandal, gas prices, inflation, job market, vacations galore, etc.... Oh yea he 'got Bin Laden' and his campaign ads say Romney would have chickened out, you still would vote for him!

And that is how it looks.

Pogo said...

"...what exactly is Romney offering to voters anyway?"

Economic hope, for the productive class.

Very little, for the takers.

Reverse the two if you prefer Obama.

bagoh20 said...

The first thing President Romney should do is send the British something nice and respectful from just 50 states...and a reset button...one that actually means reset...and not written in Austrian.

Chip S. said...

@Callahan--No, his successes at Bain and elsewhere don't give us any basis for inferring competence.

Now Santorum, there's one competent mofo.

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Original Mike said...

"Imagine his getting a second term."

Well, he's already told Putin what to expect. No imagination needed.

Carnifex said...

I was actually glad that McCain lost. If you could look to see what was coming down the road, and you really looked at both candidates, the biggest difference between them was the letters placed before their names. So the Dem.s get to own the big shit sandwich a totally Democrat government served up.

That led to the biggest house turn over in history, and is about to lead to another unified government. Only this time WE'LL be in charge.

And when you lib.s start crying about how big and bad the R's are treating you, I want you to sit down, and eat your peas, like Zero told us too. I want you to realize that "elections have consequences, and we won". I want you to sit there and think about the "new tone" in Washington. And I want you to shut the hell up. Because when you were in power, that's what you told us.

I want that to happen but it won't because most conservatives are much nicer than I am. So you'll get to do your crying to the press, and the Rino's will still love you.

But you reap what you sow, and liberals have been sowing hatred for decades. From false charges of racism to mocking a candidates handicapped child, you represent some of the most vile, despicable people on the face of the earth.

I can hear you now AllieOop, and Garage, and Leslyn, etc...but it was you and your party that lets people like Maher, and Van Jones, and Cass Susstein, and just every crazy communist bastard run your party so you can shut the hell up too.

At least the republican have the decency to run misanthropes out of their party. Democrats just celebrate them, and give them a bigger platform to commit atrocities on.

Ps. I hate Romney. He'll do no better than Zero, but he sure as hell can't do worse.

garage mahal said...

Repealing ObamaCare, supporting a responsible federal budget (a la Paul Ryan). That's a pretty damn good start

Romney can't even repeal ObamaCare for one thing, even though he said he would do it on Day One. From what I've read all Romney and Ryan want to do is fork over more tax cuts to the wealthy in their budgets plans. That, and more austerity crap that's proving to harm the economy. Romney will need to come up with more than that to win.

Speaking of Paul Ryan, I'm thoroughly enjoying the ball toasting he's taking from the Jesuits. He tossed them Ayn Ran as a sacrificial lamb, and the Jesuits basically told him that it's a good start. Haha.

FormerlyUnknown said...

Okay, Mike, I understand the wincing thing. And can see that, on your part at least, that's what it is.

I'm still not sure that's the explanation for all the obsessing and opining about Althouse's "real loyalties" that gets bandied about the whole blogosphere, though. It just seems weird to me.

Cedarford said...

Pete said...
It doesn't matter what Althouse says, it matters what she does. She was supposedly cruelly neutral in the last race but eventually posted a ridiculous entry of how McCain lost her and how perfectly justified she would be to vote for Obama. Since casting that vote, she's made laughable attempts at justifying her vote, never once, to my knowledge, admitting her mistake.

===================
Only someone with partisan blinders on would call a vote made after a good deal of thinking before deciding on the matter "a mistake".
You make decisions based on the best information available at the time.
To my judgment, McCain was a bloodthirsty warmonger that wanted to expand the troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan AND fight new major wars with Iran, Syria, and Libya.
He also wanted to send "advisors" to Georgia to fight the Russians.

Add to that McCain's long-time treachery against fellow Republicans. He would have given Pelosi and Reid 90% of what they wanted and Nancy would still be Speaker with a solid Dem majority if McCain had been in office backing her in his usual "bipartisan" way.

No Obamacare, but 5 wars going on.
Less for the unions, but McCains big idea was to give 500 billion away to those mansion owners and multiple property real estate speculators that couldn't afford what they bought.

No, it was sort of like how it was back in the day when Nixon was impeached and liberals claimed everyone must really really regret not voting for McGovern a few years earlier.
No, voters didn't regret it. There were reasons why McGovern lost in a landslide. No "mistake" acknowledged in their vote for Nixon.

Scott M said...

He tossed them Ayn Ran as a sacrificial lamb

Debunked yesterday. Move along, please.

Kensington said...

Your vote for Obama in 2008 made no sense, and I assume that this same lack of sense will lead to another vote for Obama in 2012, particularly if you're as largely immune to the damage he causes as I suspect you are.

bagoh20 said...

"austerity crap that's proving to harm the economy."

Has there been even one dollar of cuts to anything?

If this is austerity by the government, what does stimulus look like - a world war?

Original Mike said...

MY puzzlement is how people can still see this guy as congenial and likable.

bagoh20 said...

Ann is gonna vote for Romney, and all the wingers here know it. We just like to pick on the teacher, because they usually are right about stuff. so this is a cool chance, and it's hard to let it go.

wyo sis said...

I care about Althouse. I'd miss this blog if it disappeared or changed very much. I care about politics. I'm predictable. I'm not very informed when it comes to law as practiced by lawyers. All of those reasons bring me here. Predictability is not why I'm here.

Original Mike said...

"That, and more austerity crap that's proving to harm the economy."

Borrowing 40 cents on every dollar we spend is auserity. Fall down laughable.

Original Mike said...

"Ann is gonna vote for Romney"

I wouldn't bet on it. Nor would I bet the other way.

garage mahal said...

Debunked yesterday. Move along, please

Ryan is not nearly as smart as the Jesuits, and they seem to be enjoying the ridicule as much as I am. What was debunked yesterday? I must have missed it.

Sigivald said...

Well, if it helps, I'm not left leaning, nor particularly right leaning (though as a classical liberal/libertarian, my sympathies are against the modern Progressive left)... and I'm not at all sure who you'll vote for.

I mean, I suspect it won't be Obama, but I wouldn't bet my car on that.

David R. Graham said...

This post and the comments remind me of the story, maybe true, maybe not, of an actress who caught herself mid-stream discoursing about herself and said, "O my, here I am talking about myself. Let's talk about you. What did you think of my last movie?"

Chip S. said...

@garage--What part of "waiver" do you not understand?

Interesting that you don't immediately object to it as a bad idea--just not feasible.

William said...

Her strongest bias is not to vote Democratic but to think of herself as an independent thinker. Winner, winner, Clooney dinner is not the proper pander for such independent thinkers. However, Obama will soon be awarding Dylan the Medal of Freedom. There will be a photo of them hugging in the Oval Office. In such a way will Barack's personable smile play upon her heart like the opening chords to a Dylan song. Lay, lady, lay

Chip S. said...

I'm trying to sort out the Dems' views on Roman Catholic doctrine.

Apparently Jesuit priests' views on fiscal policy are definitive, but bishops' views on mandatory contraception funding are a gross intrusion of religion into the secular world.

I Callahan said...

@Callahan--No, his successes at Bain and elsewhere don't give us any basis for inferring competence.

Right, because running a capital firm means the EXACT same thing as running the U.S. Government.

Now Santorum, there's one competent mofo.

I voted for whom I thought was the most conservative of the choices. We can argue that one way or another until the cows come home. I neve sadi ANYTHING about Santorum's being more or less competent than Obama or Romney. So burn that strawman.

David R. Graham said...

Post and comments also remind me of politicians' adage that it's better to be ill-spoken of than to be not spoken of at all.

chickenlittle said...

William predicted: There will be a photo of them [Dylan and Obama] hugging in the Oval Office. In such a way will Barack's personable smile play upon her heart like the opening chords to a Dylan song. Lay, lady, lay

She will prominently display it along side this photo.
So goes the vote.

Chip S. said...

I say that competence as a business executive provides some evidence about someone's likely competence as chief executive of the federal government. You say it provides no evidence whatsoever.

I find your position unpersuasive.

Original Mike said...

Doesn't voting "present" on budgets in the Illinois legislature count for anything, Chip?

garage mahal said...

@garage--What part of "waiver" do you not understand?

I understand the idea, I don't know if it can be done. I agree it sounds good to the Rube Golbergs of the world though. DAY ONE!

Chip S. said...

I understand the idea, I don't know if it can be done.

Oh, it most certainly can be done.

garage mahal said...

So Romney grants waivers to a couple hundred million people? On DAY ONE?

Chip S. said...

You actually think that there'd be a separate executive order for each person?

Wow.

Use more caps; they're the most persuasive feature of your argument.

Original Mike said...

Works for me.

garage mahal said...

Use more caps; they're the most persuasive feature of your argument.

I'm not the one that's allegedly making an argument. You are. Although you aren't really.

Chip S. said...

Let me help you follow the thread, garage:

@12:13 you asked: Besides criticizing Obama, what exactly is Romney offering to voters anyway?

You received several replies, including mine that he was promising to offer waivers from Obamacare to all 50 states on DAY ONE. Those were statements of fact about what Romney was "offering to voters", not "arguments".

@12:33 you said: Romney can't even repeal ObamaCare for one thing...

That constitutes an argument that Romney's promised action is infeasible.

I then pointed out that an executive order granting waivers is quite feasible, offering innumerable examples from the current administration.

Your reply to that-- "I'm not making an argument"--would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Kirk Parker said...

"I don't expect Romney to do a bunch of great reforms. I expect him to just stop screwing things up beyond repair before it's too late."

This.

garage mahal said...

I then pointed out that an executive order granting waivers is quite feasible, offering innumerable examples from the current administration.


I think are problems with your theory here. First among them is the question of legality. And what if a state doesn't want a waiver?

Patrick said...

ChipS

If by "argument," making a coherent statement supported by facts and reason, then Garage is correct. He is not making an argument.

Scalito said...

Professor Althouse,

This right-leaning reader has never seen you as secretly devoted to Obama, and I'd be surprised if you voted for him again.

Back in 2008, I am sorry to say, you were had. You were hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray and run amok! Obama invited voters to suspect he secretly agreed with them by speaking in generalities and at the abstract level. You knew that Obama was asking voters to project their views onto him, but, when forced to make a decision, you guessed that Obama was a politician who would govern moderately.

Obama has since pushed immoderate legislation, ignored the impending debt crisis, and demagogued anything and everything along the way. There is, therefore, very little left for him to sell you---a left-leaning moderate who wants good government more than democrats in control of government---except fear of boring Mitt Romney. And that's not enough.

Or so I'm wagering.

Original Mike said...

Garage just says shit. I doubt even he thinks half of it makes any sense.

garage mahal said...

If by "argument," making a coherent statement supported by facts and reason, then Garage is correct. He is not making an argument.

You said unequivocally Romney could just grant a 50 state waiver. I said I wasn't so sure. You pointed to a list of temporary waivers granted to entities, not states, and who must comply with numerous laws located in the ACA itself to get those waivers. Whioch are temporary and do not include the individual mandate.

garage mahal said...

Garage just says shit. I doubt even he thinks half of it makes any sense.

That would be YOU.

*POOF*! There goes the ACA!

It sounds so good though. Romney thinks his voters are stupid. And in most cases, he is correct.

Original Mike said...

Will Romney be able to dismantle ObamaCare? I don't know, but it is sufficient that he try his damndest.

I do think think we need the Senate as well to do a good job of it.

Original Mike said...

I still laugh out loud when I see the title Affordable Care Act.

Patrick said...

You said unequivocally Romney could just grant a 50 state waiver. I said I wasn't so sure. You pointed to a list of temporary waivers granted to entities, not states, and who must comply with numerous laws located in the ACA itself to get those waivers. Whioch are temporary and do not include the individual mandate.

I said nothing of the kind. I have no opinion on whether the President can legally grant waivers to entities other than his campaign supporters under the Orwellian named ACA. As for what another commenter has stated, and having read the link you provided, I would say that the "requirements for the Sec'y of HHS to allow the waiver are easily met, as any review by a court would be under an "abuse of discretion" standard, and that rarely leads to a reversal. As the link notes, the administration has done largely the same thing for NCLB, with no resistance.

Original Mike said...

"In fulfilment of my pledge to end the [cough] - Affordable Care Act on Day 1 of my Presidency, I invite all citizens to send their request for a waiver, as specificed under paragraph {insert relevant section} of the [cough, cough] - Affordable Care Act, to me, President Mitt Romney, The White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington, D.C.

Please enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope.

Steve Koch said...

Chaotic system: (def from pcmag)

A process that seems to produce random outputs when repeated, but is not random. The difference is due to minute variations of the inputs that ultimately cause changes in the outputs. The classic chaotic system example is the theoretical "Butterfly Effect," in which the wings of a butterfly cause a variation in the weather hundreds of miles away. The more nuances are captured, the more chaotic a system may appear, because those exact same input conditions are not repeated the next time.

It is very difficult to predict the output of a chaotic system. Many independent voters are like chaotic systems in the way they decide how to vote. Understanding their shallow and poorly informed thought processes is irritating, depressing, and a waste of time.

What is really cool is that these butterfly voters tend to decide who gets to be president.

Ken said...

garage,

Tax cuts for his rich friends? Defund Planned Parenthood?

Tax cuts for all involve his rich friends, too. What is wrong with tax cuts and defunding Planned Parenthood?

garage mahal said...

Will Romney be able to dismantle ObamaCare? I don't know, but it is sufficient that he try his damndest.

R's hate ObamaCare so much they nominated the father of ObamaCare. THAT is pretty funny if you think about it.

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Original Mike said...

"R's hate ObamaCare so much they nominated the father of ObamaCare."

He wasn't my first pick (for exactly that reason).

garage mahal said...

And wouldn't it be a waiver to 49 states, since Obama/RomneyCare is law in Massachusetts?

Ken said...

garage,

That, and more austerity crap that's proving to harm the economy

Federal budget (total expenditures):
2007: $2.73 trillion
2008: $2.9 trillion
2009: $3.518 trillion
2010: $3.721 trillion
2011: $3.360 trillion
2012: $3.796 trillion

The federal government is spending 40% more today than it did in 2007 (31% more than 2008) and you think this represents austerity?

Tell me, are you just ignorant of the numbers or what "austerity means, or are you just a lying asshole?

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Oh, I don't care who you vote for. It doesn't matter who you vote for. That's what I like about you...the fact that it doesn't really matter, in the end, who you vote for. The fun is watching you pretend like you're still undecided about Obama and Romney (or Obama and McCain, or Bush and Kerry), acting like it matters. Acting like you even care! There's an art to trolling your own commenters, and you've mastered it.

What I do care about is the predictability of some of your methods. You've been parsing/mocking Obama campaign emails for years and I feel like I've read that post from earlier today a dozen times.

Pogo said...

"You've been parsing/mocking Obama campaign emails for years"

Predictable Obama is predictable.

Predictable Zachary is predictable.

What genius!

chickenlittle said...

ZPS wrote: There's an art to trolling your own commenters, and you've mastered it.

MFA = Mastered fucking around?

Is that what you meant?

Scott M said...

I have to admit, I did not know that Obama is a proven lefty. I thought it was just a metaphor.

section9 said...

Professor Althouse, have you considered posting more pictures of your painted toes?

That might calm the natives around here.

Alex said...

spending 40% since 2008 = austerity. That's garagian logic for 'ya.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

R's hate ObamaCare so much they nominated the father of ObamaCare. THAT is pretty funny if you think about it.

D's hate ACT10 so much they are on the verge of nominating a champion of ACT10. What's even funnier is the idea that Barrett, if elected, will restore collective bargaining.

Pastor Guy said...

So this means you are NOT writing in Alex Jones? The rumor I heard, was that you were getting a years supply of dehydrated food from eFoods Direct for touting him....?

Danno said...

If you thought Obama was bad before,
read Kim Strassel's latest at WSJ-

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304723304577368280604524916.html?mod=rss_opinion_main&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wsj%2Fxml%2Frss%2F3_7041+%28WSJ.com%3A+Opinion%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

Big Mike said...

I think you think you're engaging in "cruel neutrality," but you work at a university that is pretty extremely liberal, even by the standards of academia, and you live in a city that is so far to the extreme left wing that it sometimes to be from an alternate reality. So I can see how you might regard yourself as right of center when in fact you're still left of center, and not by just a teensy weensy bit.

I don't think you're devoted to Obama, but I suspect that you'll find some silly excuse to vote for him next November.

Phil 3:14 said...

Cruel Neutrality?

I thought we were done with that.

a psychiatrist who learned from veterans said...

Ann has posted some pretty disgusting and daring things about 'O' especially in light of the Strassel article in the WSJ. I'd prefer him to favor the 'farewell intercourse' law. I could see voting for him on foreign policy grounds and in retrospect I prefer him to the choice of McCain last time. I agree with Ann in retrospect on the 'principled conservative' perspective. With McCain, you'd have seen choices not based on the 'right way or the wrong way but the Army way' to use the old saying which would have been demoralizing.

John Lynch said...

This is the most boring topic on this blog.

Althouse isn't going to vote for Obama, for much the same reason she voted for him last time. Things are broken and need to be fixed. More of the same isn't going to get it done. That's just as true now as it was four years ago. She's not inconsistent at all.

Romney seems competent in a way McCain didn't and Obama doesn't and that will be the basis for the Althouse post of why she voted for Romney.

Also, all this "War on Women," stuff seems to be created solely to irritate Althouse. She loves deconstructing narratives, and that's all the Democrats have to offer this time.

roesch/voltaire said...

As I read many of the same sources as Althouse/Meade, of late I found I can predict which stories will make the blogs and which ones will not: A Flight from Conversation will top "A Dangerous Mind;" The many follies of the right will be dropped in favor of savoring the dog eating habits of the left. This blog has a clear conservative bent, mixed with layers of a smug and scolding tone that enjoys its outsider status in a liberal town,and that is why I scan it a few times a week.

Nichevo said...

Cracky, you site is down, too bad because I really wanted your analysis on the Prof. I'm guessing it reads as follows: if you had met her back in your pimping days (or rather Pimpin' Cracky moved back 20-25(?) years to her college days), you would have turned her out overnight and she would have become your top earner, striking a blow against The Man with every trick.

R/V, I know Voltaire, who is Roesch? I assume you don't mean the Nazi war criminal or the used car dealer.