December 19, 2011

Real crying or fake crying?

What to make of these vast public displays of grief in North Korea over the death of Kim Jong-Il?

Real or fake?
Fake. They're just doing what they're forced to do.
Real. They're doing what they've been conditioned to do.
This culture is so far gone that real and fake are basically the same thing.
This culture is so alien to us that out of humility we should not judge.
  
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56 comments:

David said...

How about a vote category for "just ate an onion."

That's about all the vegetables they have left.

John Lynch said...

It's real. People trampled each other to death mourning Stalin. Even people who hated Stalin said they were profoundly affected.

Britons did much the same thing when a woman died in a Paris tunnel after a night of drinking, if I recall correctly. Of course, she wasn't a monster. But people worship power and fame.

Pastafarian said...

0:57 to 1:02: A glimpse into the future -- garage mahal on 7 Nov 2012.

That shit is hilarious.

Pastafarian said...

I mean, for grief over the recently dead, it's hilarious; that has to be the most amusing bereavement I've ever seen.

MadisonMan said...

Real.

Still, you can't help but think in the background is a sign "First person to stop crying will be shot"

DaveW said...

Government required 5 minutes of crying to get in the bread line?

Rose said...

It's very People's Temple-ish. It makes me think they have been told that he is the only thing standing between them and the fires of hell.

Very sad. I see people are finding it amusing, but I can't.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Still, you can't help but think in the background is a sign "First person to stop crying will be shot

Solzhenitsyn tells the tale of the Party Congress where everyone was too afraid to be the first to quit clapping att he name of Stalin, the applaude wnet on for 45 minutes, with people passing out…..

John Lynch said...

It's a personality CULT.

The Crack Emcee said...

You don't have a choice that reflects the reality of cultism - it's real:

Brainwashing is like that. The opposite is "love bombing" (where cults envelope you in affection) it's both real and manipulative. Evil to it's core. But using love.

Like the people attempting to criticize atheism on this blog, you guys don't have enough experience or information on the subject to do it effectively. Which I find wild:

These are MAJOR facets of life - affecting all of us - and large swaths of our society knows nothing.

It's no wonder cultism is more out of control here than anywhere else,...

Cellulose Shepherd said...

It is amazing how in the midst of mass grief how orderly they line up and strike the same pose as they wail on hands and knees. We all know real mourning requires that there be piles of cut flowers stacked at the base of statue of the lil' tyrant and que the candle light vigils.

SMGalbraith said...

Choice #5: All the above.

How about: scene as fans are told re-make of Godzilla XLV has been canceled.

My guess is most of it is real, some fake and the rest just know they do what they're told.

The Crack Emcee said...

Think about that:

Cultism is more out of control here than anywhere else.

And we're discussing North Korea.

Hello!!!!!

Jay said...

It looks forced and therefore fake to me.

And I can't help but laugh every time I see these videos.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)


And Crack finds a way to beat his hobby horse, here too….Because Scientology=North Korea, Wake Up Sheeple 1111Eleventy1111….The Pope=Kim Jong Il…The Ice Cream I proved, with mathematical certainty that my officers ate it…..

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Cultism is more out of control here than anywhere else.

And we're discussing North Korea


No, WE’RE discussing North Korea, YOU’RE busy re-hashing your unsuccessful married life and linking it TO North Korea….AmWay=The Workers Party of Korea, Wake Up Sheeple 111eleventy111

traditionalguy said...

North Korea is a few steps further along the Mind Control process that we learned from the imported German masters at that WWII.

Madison Avenue said thank you in the 1950s and the mind controllers have never stopped showing their powers.

Deprogramming is a long process. Why do you think Saddam's Iraq took so long to deprogram after the 3 week war was over in spring 2003?

So these are 100% real tears.

The Crack Emcee said...

Joe (The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew),

And Crack finds a way to beat his hobby horse, here too….

You jealous fuck. I didn't "find a way" - North Korea's been acknowledged as a cult for decades. I didn't invent it. And Scientology is a cult allowed to flourish here for decades - along with so many others I probably can't list them all without giving up my entire week.

You, Joe, are part of the problem, you jealous fuck. Go find your own issue to sort out, because The Crack Emcee's made up cultism in America ain't gonna fly.

It's here, buddy, as much a part of this boomer culture as apple pie is of America.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
You, Joe, are part of the problem, you jealous fuck. Go find your own issue to sort out, because The Crack Emcee's made up cultism in America ain't gonna fly

Oh, No, Joe, The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew=Kim Jong Eun Wake Up Sheeple111eleventy111 Were I jealous of YOU, a self-admitted failed spouse, poverty-stricken Hip-Hop Artist, posting from a broken-screened PC I’d eat a dredle!

The Crack Emcee said...

Madison Avenue said thank you in the 1950s and the mind controllers have never stopped showing their powers.

Deprogramming is a long process,...


Bring it on home, Tg, bring it on home,...

The Crack Emcee said...

Were I jealous of YOU, a self-admitted failed spouse, poverty-stricken Hip-Hop Artist, posting from a broken-screened PC I’d eat a dredle!

Dude, if you weren't, my name would never leave your lips,...

Oh - and unless this is Hip-Hop, you better start eating.

It never ceases to amaze me the people who think fucking with people who've fallen on hard times will win them kudos as decent people.

You're scum of the highest order.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to raise money for those more poor than I am. Have a great day, y'all,...

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
Bring it on home, Tg, bring it on home

Because Madison Avenue =MiniTrue…”Beef it’s what for dinner=WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH” Wake Up Sheeple 1111Eleventy1111

Lyle said...

North Korea needs to be destroyed... the regime I mean. This will just go on and on, if someone doesn't intervene.

North Korean people rise the hell up please!

edutcher said...

Probably both.

You never know who's taking notes and one can only guess what the next one will be like.

X said...

it could be like happiness crying at a wedding.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
You're scum of the highest order

Next time throw in “Joey Kissinger” or “WiccaSatanist” there Crack, old boy….

It never ceases to amaze me the people who think fucking with people who've fallen on hard times will win them kudos as decent people

It never ceases to amaze ME, that people who have fallen upon hard times have time to blog about it and then act as IF it were somehow a badge of honour!

X said...

But I do notice that Cookie seems too broken up to post.

Ann Althouse said...

Crack, we loved your song here at Meadhouse. We could dance to it.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
But I do notice that Cookie seems too broken up to post
He’s gashing himself with a copper knife and getting ready for the next Korean Worker’s Party Central Committee Meeting to applaud the next Great Leader of Korea….

Fen said...

Real.

When we (Marines) first visited Kiev, we learned that the locals had been taught that every tattoo we sported represented a family member we had killed.

Don't laugh. There were Americans foolish enough to swallow Obama's Hopey Changey bulshit.

rhhardin said...

Ambrose Bierce had the handkerchief used at funerals to conceal the absence of tears.

phx said...

compassion

EMD said...

Who in hell chose the 4th option?

Scott M said...

The most sobering thing about North Korea is the night time pics taken from orbit showing lights everywhere else but within the borders of NK.

Don't Tread 2012 said...

Ahh yes, the vagaries of leading the way as a pot-bellied dictator.

Job said...

John Lynch: "Britons did much the same thing when a woman died in a Paris tunnel after a night of drinking, if I recall correctly."

I am not very interested in famous people, including Princess Di. That said, some of the criticism of her mourners goes too far.

The facts that Diana had been treated very badly by her husband -- who apparently never intended an honest marriage -- and had two young sons probably contributed substantially to the grief at her death.

Being young, good looking and a princess (or whatever) didn't hurt either.

DADvocate said...

Crack - good shit. I like "Lies" too. I'll listen to more later at home.

ricpic said...

It's not unusual for the family of a tyrant to be bereft at his passing. Given that humans can adjust to almost anything, losing a tyrant they've adjusted to feels like being lost.

Joe said...

I think Crack has a point, Kim Jong Il did create a cult of personaiity (and Crypto-Jew Joe seems to be dropping acid and/or his cat is walking across his keyboard.)

Levi Starks said...

they don't know the difference

Christopher said...

I think they're real (at least those shown).

The communists have spent the better part of a century brainwashing them with stories all but deifying Kim Jung Il.

IIRC there was a story a few years back about how a delegation of N. Korean cheerleaders in South Korea was brought to tears after a picture of the Dead Leader was left out in the rain.

As others have said this is a cult; and nobody has ever done cults better than the communists.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
and Crypto-Jew Joe seems to be dropping acid and/or his cat is walking across his keyboard
You are scum of the Highest Order.

It never ceases to amaze me the people who think fucking with people who've dropped acid will win them kudos as decent people

You are just some kind of New Age Cultist attacking me! Sheeple Wake Up 1111Eleventy1111

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
and Crypto-Jew Joe seems to be dropping acid and/or his cat is walking across his keyboard
You missed the part where North Korea=Madison Avenue=America for “cultishness” then, I might add…and that was what I was lampooning.

Hoosier Daddy said...

He and his father protected these people from the ravages of capitalism and individual liberty so its understandable that they shed tears.

F said...

I don't think we can comprehend what life in North Korea is like. Apparently people really think of Kim father and son as gods who really care about the citizens of the country. How can they think such a thing? I don't understand it, but that what visitors to N Korea report when they return. This crying would be totally in keeping with God's death.

WV: tases. What the Nork army does to the first north Korean who stops crying.

Methadras said...

Where there minders there to make sure they were crying properly? Probably, right off camera they had the crier families being held at gun point and threatened with summary execution of the crier didn't supplicate himself thoroughly on camera for the rest of the world to see.

Joe said...

(The Uncredentialed, Crypto Jew)
WV: tases. What the Nork army does to the first north Korean who stops crying
More like beaten and then Eaten, considering how things are going in North Korea, I doubt they have the batteries for tasers.

n.n said...

Kim Jong-Il was their god. Their emotions are real.

Then again, as the state provides for all, maybe they are grieving under the penalty of death. Those people involuntarily submitted to their fate a long time ago.

The mortal god is dead. Long live the mortal god.

cubanbob said...

The tears are probably reall, but ot from love but from fear of what may come next. At least Kim was a known evil and his son from their perspective could even be worse.

Brennan said...

Are we sure this isn't a group of Wisconsin state employees reacting to the loss of collective bargaining rights on health care costs?

Curious George said...

Real. And all that barb wire and security at the border is to keep foreigners from sneaking into this workers paradise.

Quaestor said...

I most revealing documentary I've seen on North Korea was produced by National Geographic in 2006. It concerns an Nepalese eye surgeon, Dr.Sanduk Ruit, who travels to the hermit kingdom to treat hundreds of cataract suffers free of charge -- literally to give sight to the blind. The reaction of these people to regaining their sight is astounding.

Watch the clip here (Advance to about 2:30 for the relevant excerpt)

I used to think of the North Koreans as oppressed victims of a brutal dictatorship, but I since changed my mind. An oppressed people can resist and can effect change if they're willing to put the lives on the line. Witness recent events in Tunisia and Libya. The Egyptians and the Syrians are also examples of this universal. Unfortunately for the Syrians the violence and dying have just begun. And unfortunately for the Egyptians their revolution is likely to produce and Islamic Robespierre and Bonaparte before they'll see an Arabic Vaclav Havel.

Humans do not sink to the typically North Korean level of enthusiastic servility without a considerable degree of collusion with the god-king and his minions. It's not mass self-abnegation, it is mass self-abasement. It's an S&M horror show with 23 million people ecstatically grovelling under a whip in the hands of the Kim dynasty, now entering its third generation of perversity.

The North Koreans are the most contemptible people on the planet. They're an insult to toils and sacrifice of all the freedom-seekers of history. Hitchens likened their condition to the proles of Orwell's Oceania. I prefer to think of them as more like the damned in Dante's Inferno. Their sufferings at first move their Florentine observer to pity, but on more consideration he realizes that hell is what they have chosen and deserve.

Chip S. said...

Option 5: They're worried about the reins of power being taken by a guy with a lightweight resume and a heavyweight ego.

They've noticed what's happened to the US since 1/20/09.

The Crack Emcee said...

Four things:

1) Thanks to everybody that liked the song. It means a lot to me, since that's what I'm supposed to be doing.

2) I did a post on this, and I think I ask some good questions in it. I'll also point out we have whole cities in America - San Francisco, Hollywood, Clearwater, Florida, Sedona, Arizona - that are wholly-owned or incubate cults by the thousands.

3) Thanks to Joe for his 2 cents.

4) Whenever someone knows my story enough to imply it's my fault my wife believed weird things and killed people - which is why I'm divorced - I wonder why others don't call them out for such a despicable act. (A normal divorce is hard on anyone. Mine was waaay beyond normal and makes me a target for pond scum like the crypto-whatever to lie by leaving out the most important information. I'm a failed spouse"? He's a failed human being,...) A community without ethics isn't a community at all. And, if everybody just stands around and let's such BS happen, then what's the point of getting together?

I think we can do better,...

Big E said...

There were no real tears, only sweat from the fear of not looking convincing enough to satisfy the new "Glorious Leader."

William said...

I think the more awful interpration is that their tears were real. It shows just how thoroughly their bodies, minds and spirits are possessed. It will take more than just a single exorcism to rid them of this demon spawn..... It's worth noting that at the time of the Korean War a fair number of the left in this country felt that there was no significant difference between the South Korean leader, Rhee, and his North Korean opponent......There's no shortage of cults in this country, but to some extent they cancel each other out. Those who occupy Wall St will eventually flit towards yoga and macrobriotic diets before eventually finding peace Lyndon LaRouche.