Watch the clip. Did she suffer as stroke?
ADDED: If it's just a flub, it's hilarious — "Well, a very, very heavy burtation tonight" —but it's not funny at all until we know that.
February 14, 2011
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99 comments:
I liked it.
Seeming to make sense is what's offensive about MSM news.
This fixes it.
but it's not funny at all until we know that.
"It's funny until somebody gets their eye poked out.
Then it's still funny, just not around that person."
- usenet saying
She looks terrified as she apparently realizes that something is wrong. That makes it not funny to me.
There was a news clip of a news babe on the scene at a Chicago elementary school reporting on a reported gas leak.
During her speil, she was hit by a car, caught on tape.
Everybody thought that was great.
The hatred for reporters out there cannot be underestimated.
I understood every word. It was personal and for my ears only.
Excruciating to even contemplate, let alone watch. Having done more live, on the spot, broadcasts than I can count, I have no desire to watch or listen to someone else crater.
Strangely enough, though, the most vividly re-occurring nightmare for a radio DJ is that you're on the air doing your show (assuming you do a show...not a shift), there's 10 seconds left before the end of the song and not only do you have nothing to say, but don't know what station you're at and can't find the right pot to turn on.
Horror.
To me, it also looked like the right side of her face was affected.
Read the post. Did Althouse suffer as stroke?
To me, it also looked like the right side of her face was affected.
Same here. Her lips seemed to sag. Hopefully, it's not too serious as she didn't collapse or lose to much control.
I remember when Bill Cerri had a stroke and died while doing his radio show. Regardless of what happened to this woman, at least she's not dead, yet.
That appeared to be a dyslexia attack. But at the Grammys it fits in well.
Since it's the Grammys, I'm going to hope it was just too many drugs.
Yikes, though.
Woah! Poor woman. It certainly appears to be a stroke type of incident. Hope she is ok.
It reminds me of the woman here in town who had a Grand Mal seizure on air.
I hope she's all right. I'd hate to have my weaknesses out there for all to see.
Too much makeup does that.
Wernike's aphasia.
John and Ken (while at KABC) had a daily caller with Broca's aphasia.
Ugh. She went to the hospital after that, but it's unclear if they determined anything. I'd call it a TIA if she could talk normally after that.
If it was something serious, my sympathies.
If it was a flub - "This is your face on Botox. Any questions?"
bagoh20: I understood every word. It was personal and for my ears only.
Uh-oh. Bagoh's going to kill the Malaysian prime minister!!
NOT funny.
I'd call it a TIA if she could talk normally after that.
Googled TIA .
A transient ischemic attack (TIA) is an episode in which a person has stroke -like symptoms for up to 1-2 hours.
A TIA is often considered a warning sign that a true stroke may happen in the future if something is not done to prevent it.
She begins by losing nouns. That is a sign that it is a stroke or a transient ischemic attack. In a young woman, I would think of diet drugs or birth control pills as a source. I wonder why they sent her home ? A transient episode can be gone in 15 minutes but she needs a major workup.
Althouse previously warned us about the effect of watching too much ZOOM as a kid!
I don't enjoy other people's misery, whether it's the result of a serious medical incident or an embarrassing flub. I've never been able to tolerate live performances out of a fear that the performer might make a mistake.
A transient ischemic attack (TIA) is an episode in which a person has stroke -like symptoms for up to 1-2 hours.
If a TIA lasts more than 15 minutes it is called an RIND or Reversible Ischemic Neurologic Deficit and is considered much more dangerous. There are people who live years with TIAs from little flecks of athromatous material breaking off from the aorta. The treatment is to anticoagulate them to prevent clotting behind the little fleck. You can see them in the arteries in the eye.
This girl needs to be worked up.
I've never been able to tolerate live performances out of a fear that the performer might make a mistake.
Holy shit, Palladian. I thought this was a very, very small boat and that I was the only knucklehead in it. Ever try watching the Chinese acrobats live? Pure, gut-wrenching, creeping, horror.
When I was a child in Pennsylvania, I inadvertently watched the 5 o'clock news replay, without a warning, footage of R Budd Dwyer's public suicide, which had been taped earlier that day. Perhaps my fear of live television and performance has something to do with that.
For a second, she seemed distracted by something off to one side, but then she keeps going and starts blathering. Cue card slipped or something?
Hopefully, she's seen a doctor by now, if that's the case.
Her complete incoherence signals to my untrained eye that it was not a flub. Or even drunk/drugs. I mean, none of those "words" were actual words.
Something medical.
"Holy shit, Palladian. I thought this was a very, very small boat and that I was the only knucklehead in it. Ever try watching the Chinese acrobats live? Pure, gut-wrenching, creeping, horror."
Ugh, don't even mention the circus. An early terror that shall never be repeated.
I've actually come to see my aversion to live performance as a superior aesthetic choice. Why should I waste my time watching someone deliver a performance that's certain to be acoustically and technically inferior to a recording, where the artist has full control over their work. Why this adherence to outmoded 19th century conventions like the concert? I detest spectacle.
Yes, I made a snarky comment at her expense on the Grammys post, but one only hopes for the best. "There but for the Grace of God.." as the saying goes..
Palladian, I guess you're not going to see Spider-Man, then, on Broadway.
Three elderly ladies were sitting on a park bench. A guy wearing just a raincoat and some sneakers walked up to them. He opened his raincoat and he was totally naked.
The poor first lady had a stroke. The second lady also had a stroke.
But the third lady didn't have a stroke.
You see her arms were too short.
(that was for you Peter)
Her complete incoherence signals to my untrained eye that it was not a flub. Or even drunk/drugs. I mean, none of those "words" were actual words.
Something medical.
Based on that tape she has a big future on Boringheads.
Get Frazier's brother on the horn.
The fourth hour of Armstrong and Getty podcast covers it, 021411 H4.
Playing off do we have to be serious about this or not.
Fox News on line ..Monday morning, KCBS released a statement saying: "Her vital signs were normal. She was not hospitalized. As a precautionary measure, a colleague gave her a ride home, and she says she is feeling fine this morning."
My initial thought after watching the complete clip? She was Robert Gibbs replacement explaining his budget "cuts".
I thought I saw a bit of panic on her face right at the end - she's trying to speak, but failing to do so correctly. That has got to be very scary.
No news yet, that I have been able to find.
Something serious going on there. TIA seems like a good guess.
"As a precautionary measure, a colleague gave her a ride home, and she says she is feeling fine this morning."
Please see a doctor today who can do a good work-up. That's a scary video. Something just ain't right.
And echo Palladian in re: live performances. I know it's just my amygdala messing with me, but I still can't watch many live pieces.
Was Jim Carrey standing just off-stage?
Reminds me of Bruce Almighty; Steve Carell had an on-air outburst of gibberish when Bruce chose to have a little fun.
Not funny if the lady suffered a stroke.
wv - lariest
More Larry's than anywhere else
"I've never been able to tolerate live performances out of a fear that the performer might make a mistake."
A few years ago, our department added "talent" performances to our Holiday party. I stopped going. It was too uncomfortable for me to watch.
I'm with Palladian. I dislike live performances for the same reason.
Remind me never to go to a concert or theater performance with anyone from Althouse. And Second City is definitely out of the question. In improv, they don't even have lines. I can't imagine your terrors.
How would you like to be stuck reporting "news" from the Grammy's?
@Seven:
I hate fun.
Reminds me of the scene in "That Hideous Strength" when the Dept heads are inflicted with the Babel Curse.
This is what happened to Terry Schaivo from too much anorexia. This woman better get a wake up call!
In improv, they don't even have lines. I can't imagine your terrors.
Stand-up comedy, or it's one-eyed stepchild, improv, are different. They're basically asking the crowd to consider them the fool. Sometimes minus the motley, sometimes not.
Improv has plenty of lines. Just not the kind you say.
TGC
02/14/2011 1:52 PM
Sounds like typical liberal babbling to me...listen to this then go listen to Barney Frank...sounds exactly the same...just noise with absolutely no meaning.
I have to admit that's funny shit.
Palladian, I have no fear of live performances, but like you, I see recorded performance as the superior choice. I've long wondered and asked why people are so attached to live performance. The answers friends give seem vague: "it's the electricity, the excitement, I don't know."
It seems to come down to a few things:
1) The NASCAR effect: you might see a crash. The preacher might accidentally curse when he loses his place in the sermon.
2) The yearning to see something unique and wonderful, something caused by the set and setting. This could happen in jazz improv, or on a stage when the scenery starts to fall down, but the odds are not good.
3) The shared anticipation and swell of appreciation in an audience. Yay, they're doing "Free Bird". Lighters, everyone.
Most of my friends think I'm an alien for not liking any of these things.
I got Milli Vanilli tickets. Who's with me?
I got Milli Vanilli tickets. Who's with me?
A Milli Vanilli movie is in the offing. I shit you not.
Please see a doctor today who can do a good work-up. That's a scary video. Something just ain't right.
Agree with Pogo. One other possibility is the "aura" of a migraine. And if that's possible she may have experienced this before and therefore concluded she didn't need to see a physician.
"Most of my friends think I'm an alien for not liking any of these things."
I generally see performance as a kind of vestige of bloodsport, geared toward the basest instincts of the lowest of humanity. I think you're right in that many people go to concerts (and I'm talking about all kinds of concerts, pop, rock, orchestral, opera...) not for the ostensible performance, but because they like being in a crowd. For those sort of people, being subsumed in a mass of humanity, "sharing" an experience, is exciting and affirming. For me, it's obliterating and torturous. This is also the reason I hate physical protest rallies, speeches and ceremonies, and probably why I was never able to remain a regular churchgoer. Being in a crowd is the antithetical to reason, good thinking and aesthetic revelation. Solitude is the only fertile ground for the germination of thought.
Palladian...If Concerts are outdated 18th century venues, then what are the 14th century theaters such as Shakespeare's Globe with some singing and dancing added in the American Musical Theater heritage? I am always energized by live performances of humans 50 feet away from me. We saw a new musical comedy full of energy Saturday night. It is called Bring It On. It was a full 3 hours of fun and young people with energy, and well worth the time to see it live.
"Agree with Pogo. One other possibility is the "aura" of a migraine. And if that's possible she may have experienced this before and therefore concluded she didn't need to see a physician."
I'm a migraineur and I've only experience dysphasia once and it was extraordinarily fleeting and nothing like what Branson exhibited. That she loses nouns and that there seems to be some lateral facial effect doesn't seem at all like migraine-related dysphasia.
I also hate crowds. Secretly I'd love to a be a Buddhist monk, engaged in thoughtful meditation all the rest of my days at some secluded mountain site.
"Palladian...If Concerts are outdated 18th century venues, then what are the 14th century theaters such as Shakespeare's Globe with some singing and dancing added in the American Musical Theater heritage?"
!9th century... and by outmoded I mean that the advent of sound recording and film/video fundamentally removed the primary, reasonable justification for live performance. Before these technologies, you either had to attend performances of one sort or another, or you had to perform for yourself if you wanted to hear music or see plays. Today, the reasons for attending a performance are generally social and nostalgic.
To me, the "energy" of a crowd is an unpleasant vestige of our primitive tribal nature. The hooting and whistling and baying of a crowd is a hair's breadth away from watching lions tear Christians to pieces, or attending an execution at Tyburn.
To be in a crowd, at a performance, is to be a passive captive of external sensation. That passivity is unpleasant to me.
Of course, I'm being a bit polemical for the sake of making a point and stating a case which I realize is a personal, and decidedly minority, viewpoint.
"Secretly I'd love to a be a Buddhist monk, engaged in thoughtful meditation all the rest of my days at some secluded mountain site."
Oh, I do wish you'd go. Who'd like to club together and buy him a ticket and a robe?
The important thing was that she looked good while saying it, whatever it was that she said.
For me the big advantage of watching a live performance is the freedom from distractions. Classical music radio stations were actually bad for classical music because they encouraged people to think of it as background noise. People feel free to talk during a TV show or DVD. Or you notice there's a cobweb where the wall meets the ceiling, or that the toilet won't stop filling, etc.
But in an auditorium, there's just the performers and you, unless someone coughs continually. You can focus on the performance.
I also hate crowds. Secretly I'd love to a be a Buddhist monk, engaged in thoughtful meditation all the rest of my days at some secluded mountain site.
That would suck, though, cuz all the monks are still on dial-up and 2G.
To be in a crowd, at a performance, is to be a passive captive of external sensation. That passivity is unpleasant to me.
There's some sort of non-passivity sitting and listening to a CD?
Love live performances. Energy, spontaneity, realness. Recorded performances are most often a collection of pieces performed separately and pieced together, i.e. a performance that would never happen in the real world.
Everyone stumbles and falls, getting back up is what's important. Performers know they'll mess up and learn to deal with it. Are you hard on yourself when you mess up in front of others?
I'm not much for crowds either, but concert and theater crowds are better than football crowds.
You remind of a girl I once knew who hated hiking in the mountains and going into the woods. All the leaves on the ground, old fallen tree trunks reminded her of death. Somehow she couldn't see all the life around her.
Palladian;
Hemiplegic Migraine
I'm not much for crowds either, but concert and theater crowds are better than football crowds.
The hell you say. I usually can't breath in the concert and theater crowds due to all the smug in the air.
Palladian;
And a bonus just for you
Glen Gould certainly agreed w/ Palladian. Gould went the studio route very early on, at the height of his career. Had he lived to see the technological possibilities, the clarity of digital he would have been thrilled.
I go with not funny. Maybe it would have been, but after the first couple slurred words, she gets a very worried look on her face, like she knows something's wrong and quickly wraps up her spiel as best she can.
I also hate crowds. Secretly I'd love to a be a Buddhist monk, engaged in thoughtful meditation all the rest of my days at some secluded mountain site.
How hard is it to make that happen?
Interesting that you mention Glen Gould, Michael, as he died of a stroke in his early 50's.
I had a TIA about 5 years ago. The attack hit as I was ordering fish in a seafood store. Suddenly I realize that the words in me head were not coming out of my mouth. At first, having been a severe stutterer in my youth, I thought "why am I stuttering?" Within a few seconds, I knew what was going on, but of course that did not help.
My wife got me to the hospital, where I still could not talk, or grasp anything with my left hand. I could walk though. There was no pain and, to my surprise, no fear or panic. I was--or thought I was--observing everything with considerable clarity.
By the next day all the symptoms were gone and I had no recurrence or permanent damage.
Anyone being referred to the Blogger sign up page when posting a comment?
It's happening to me frequently if I try to preview or post a comment. Very strange.
"Love live performances. Energy, spontaneity, realness. Recorded performances are most often a collection of pieces performed separately and pieced together, i.e. a performance that would never happen in the real world."
I prefer excellence to authenticity. I'd rather an artist be able to control every element of their work, including editing, processing and any other manipulation they deem necessary, in order to produce the best work of art they can produce. I have no interest in the random, transitory and uncontrolled nature of a live performance, nor do I care to watch someone show off or stumble like a cheap vaudevillian. Perhaps this is also because I'm a solitary studio-based artist (painting, drawing, filmmaking, perfumery), interested in expression through craft. Again, personal preferences.
"Glen Gould certainly agreed w/ Palladian. Gould went the studio route very early on, at the height of his career. Had he lived to see the technological possibilities, the clarity of digital he would have been thrilled."
I'm a Gouldian, and it was Gould's writing on the subject that was a partial influence on the development of my aesthetic reasoning against performance. Gould's last two recordings, the late Haydn sonatas and the famous 1981 "Goldberg" Variations, were actually recorded on one of Sony's early digital systems. Unfortunately, the primitiveness of that early system negatively affects the sonic quality of the recordings; they sound hard and slightly crude compared to his analog Columbia output. But Gould was such a technophile that he traded sound quality for the sake of being an early adopter. He also made those two recordings on Yamaha pianos, finally giving up on finding a Steinway replacement for his crippled Steinway #CD318.
To bring this discussion full-circle, Gould died, tragically young, of a massive stroke.
verification word: relatem. I did.
Curses! I thought I was alone in my brilliant connection between Gould and Serene Branson! Thanks a lot, David!
Actually, it seems there isn't a stroke connection between them, since Branson's station issued this statement:
Serene Branson was examined by paramedics on scene immediately after her broadcast. Her vital signs were normal. She was not hospitalized. As a precautionary measure, a colleague gave her a ride home and she says that she is feeling fine this morning.
Hmmm... so let's find another Gould/Branson connection... aha! Branson was reporting from the Grammys and Glenn Gould won 4 Grammy awards!
Of course three of those were posthumous. The only Grammy he won in his life was in 1974, but it wasn't for performing. It was in the category "Best Album Notes, Classical", awarded for writing the liner notes for his recording of Hindemith's piano sonatas. That says something profound about all of this, I'm sure. I wonder what Gould would have worn to the Grammys, if he'd gone? I'm guessing an overcoat, sunglasses, hat, scarf and gloves.
Actually he'd never have gone to the Grammys in a million years, so Serene Branson wouldn't have anything to report, therefore the point is moot.
Now I'm experiencing heavy burtation. Goodnight.
The didn't take her to the hospital?! Just took her vitals?!
She needs a scan to make sure that she didn't have a stroke. They should have insisted she go to the hospital.
"It's funny until somebody gets their eye poked out.
Then it's still funny, just not around that person."
A variation:
It's funny until someone gets hurt.
And then it's f***ing hilarious.
Peter
"It's funny until somebody gets their eye poked out.
Then it's still funny, just not around that person."
A variation:
It's funny until someone gets hurt.
And then it's f***ing hilarious.
Peter
I watched my husband have a stroke. His speech became gibberish, then he couldn't talk at all. He lived, and recovered his speech eventually. He said when it first happened and he was speaking to me, it sounded like his voice was coming from the far corner of the room. The problem was that he could understand everything, but could not make his wishes known. I never want to see that kind of fear in his eyes again.
I hope she's ok. I know two people and have heard of several others whose foramen ovale in the heart, which is supposed to close with your first breath and route your blood through your lungs for oxygenation, does not close properly, but gives no symptoms for decades. It can open many years later causing circulatory problems and a stroke. They can fix it with a mesh device, but you need to be on blood thinners the rest of your life.
A TIA can do this, too. I hope she recovers fully.
Freeman Hunt said...
The didn't take her to the hospital?! Just took her vitals?!
She needs a scan to make sure that she didn't have a stroke. They should have insisted she go to the hospital.
Exactly. A TIA could leave her with normal vitals, but it can be a sign of an underlying problem that requires attention. There are noninvasive tests that will indicate if there is blockage. The lady should be tested.
She suffered a stroke. I saw the same thing happen to my then 14 year old son. I hope her recovery goes well.
I prefer excellence to authenticity.
Perhaps you confuse excellence with perfection. Many people are excellent, none are perfect. There are many excellent athletes at the professional level. But, I've seen as exciting performances involving high school athletes. Same goes for concerts and plays.
Perhaps you confuse excellence with perfection. Many people are excellent, none are perfect.
Palladian likes the illusion of perfection more then the reality.
Palladian,
R. Budd Dwyer represented the distric where I grew up, but until your post, I had never heard of him. Unfortunately, you made me look him up and watch the suicide. That is some unforgettable video. To others, be warned, it's graphic.
I then looked up his story on wiki. A strange and tragic episode. Innocent, or racked with guilt, I don't know, but definitely an over-reaction.
Her speech was as lucid as the Grammys require.
Did everyone understand what she meant to say? I know it came out as gibberish, but to me it was clearly a "lets send it back to Bob" line.
Looks like a stroke. I hope she's okay and that her boss understands she didn't choke.
I'm not blond, nor am I pretty.
Transient ischemic accident -- is what they called it when it happened to me a few months ago. It lasted maybe about an hour. I couldn't make the words when I could find them, and I couldn't find them. I couldn't read. Kind of worrisome for an old attorney when he can't manage words.
I'm not blond, nor am I pretty.
Transient ischemic accident -- is what they called it when it happened to me a few months ago. It lasted maybe about an hour. I couldn't make the words when I could find them, and I couldn't find them. I couldn't read. Kind of worrisome for an old attorney when he can't manage words.
Like MathMom - patent foramen ovale (PFO)
Brent Michaels is the most famous.
But I have two people within 2 degrees of separation. My S-I-L's father's arm didn't do what he thought it was supposed to be doing. And then he was asking for help only it didn'tt come out that way.
He was talking by the time they got him to the hospital where they were thinking it might have been a TIA (in his 40s). Fortunately they did did the one last "bubble" test. Oooops. The question of course is where did the teeeny tiny clot come from?
Other was a young (early 30s) female doctor friend of my daughter's who went to the ER (she was internal medicine herself who worked ER while her hubby was finishing residency) with a terrible headache. They sent her home. It was when a friend who later was helping her pack to move heard her on the phone talking - make that trying to talk - to her husband in another state that she stopped everything and hauled the young doc off to the hospital for real.
PFO.
She had some residual effects.
She had the surgery also (which they do not always do until a second episode occurs. As with my inlaw.)
R. Budd Dwyer represented the district where I grew up, but until your post, I had never heard of him. Unfortunately, you made me look him up and watch the suicide. That is some unforgettable video. To others, be warned, it's graphic.
Filter's "Hey Man, Nice Shot" was written about Dwyer. An idiot classmate in college made an 'experimental film' using Dwyer's press conference footage.
She probably had a mini stroke
Palladian wrote:
I've actually come to see my aversion to live performance as a superior aesthetic choice. Why should I waste my time watching someone deliver a performance that's certain to be acoustically and technically inferior to a recording, where the artist has full control over their work.
I'm thinking of rock performances as opposed to classical ones, but I too prefer the studio to the live. All of the acoustics are set properly, the solos are note perfect, the singers voice has no blemishes. Live you get potentially crappy acoustics, the singer ain't that impressive, the solos sound crappy.
Interestingly it sounds better when you're there because it's so loud it drowns out the imperfections. But if you hear that performance live you realize that the performers aren't that impressive. The singer can't reach the high notes (like for example did you hear Paul Mccartney singing Jet on SNL a few months ago. It was excruciatingly awful) or the crowd is screaming over the sound of the music.
EXCEPT there are a few times when the live performances are better than the studio versions. A few examples. I happened to be watching You Tube and going through the various videos and came across some old Cheap Trick live. And it had so much energy and buzz I totally get why they are considered one of the best live bands. Not that I'm a huge Cheap Trick fan (I do like the first 4 albums a lot though) but I would gladly see them because they put on a real show. Another example was Neil Finn with a bunch of other guests doing various Neil Finn songs. I guess it depends on the performer.
Part of it is, are they a pop singles band or a jam band. If they are a pop singles band, like say Abba, then you're expecting the pop sheen, and it usually doesn't translate as well live because usually all the kinks are worked out in the studio and those kinks are there in the performance.
But I wouldn't rule out live acts completely. Sometimes you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Not sure how we got here, but one thing I liked about Cheap Trick back in the day was that the band comprised two "heartthrob" types and two dorks.
Dwyer has set the bar high. Too bad more politicians are not up to snuff.
Former law student wrote:
Not sure how we got here, but one thing I liked about Cheap Trick back in the day was that the band comprised two "heartthrob" types and two dorks.
That is true, they did have an interesting look. The cover of In Colour and Black and White does a great contrast on the image. The front cover has the two hearthrobs riding motorcycles, and on the back cover in black and white are the two dorks riding trycicles. (great album by the way).
But the other great thing about them is that each of them is among the best in class on their instrument.
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