June 16, 2010

"Barack spent so much time by himself that it was like he was raised by wolves."

Said Michelle Obama, as quoted by a friend, as quoted by Maureen Dowd, who is writing about how, when voting for Obama, we had the feeling that we were (finally) getting a President who's very normal. How does that work? Raised-by-wolfishness leads to (a semblance of) normality? Solitude fosters a deep longing to be with others and one overachieves in the appearance of normal department?

Maureen doesn't answer those questions. She merely murmurs "he seemed to have come through exceptionally well adjusted. " She quotes an Obama hagiographer's dubious quotation:
“His aides from the Senate, the presidential campaign, and the White House routinely described him with the same words: ‘psychologically healthy,’ ” writes Jonathan Alter in “The Promise”...
Isn't it funny that Alter put "psychologically healthy" in quotes when referring to the words of what appears to be a large crowd of individuals? If anything, that large crowd of individuals sounds a bit deranged, if they were really all mouthing the same mantra about their leader.
So it’s unnerving now to have yet another president elevating personal quirks into a management style.
We thought he was so normal that now we're unnerved — we're so unstable! — to find out that, like all those nutty other Presidents — Dowd cites Bush, Clinton, LBJ, and Nixon — Obama's got his quirks too.

Hey, Maureen, how about peering into the complexities of the appearance of normal? Whenever I hear the word "normal" used to gloss over things, I think of one of my favorite scenes in one of my favorite movies, Kubrick's "Lolita." It's the one where Peter Sellers, as Clare Quilty, is pretending to be a cop and inquiring into what Professor Humbert is doing at a hotel with that "pretty, tall, lovely little girl":
I said to myself when I saw you... there's a guy with the most normal-looking face I ever saw in my life... It's great to see a normal face, 'cause I'm a normal guy. Be great for two normal guys to get together and talk about world events, in a normal way....

What was the matter with your wife?... She had an accident! That's terrible! Fancy a normal guy's wife having an accident like that! What happened to her?... I get sort of carried away, being so normal and all....
I could easily have a word with George Swine. He's a really normal, nice sort of guy and I've only got to have a normal word in his ear and you'd be surprised what things could happen.... It's his job to fix you up with something nice. He gets paid for doing that and when he sees a guy like you, all normal... I think you're really normal.... Before you go, I was wondering whether maybe in the morning, you know... me being lonely and normal....
I'm sorry. The word "normal" has had extra texture to me since I saw that movie about 40 years ago.

But Dowd says "normal" and moves on. She describes the emergent quirkiness of the man whose normality supposedly impressed us so much we made him President. (Here's another Peter Sellers movie you need to see, by the way, if you want to fully experience the political chatter around Barack Obama.) Dowd, then:
How can a man who was a dazzling enough politician to become the first black president at age 47 suddenly become so obdurately self-destructive about politics?

President Obama’s bloodless quality about people and events, the emotional detachment that his aides said allowed him to see things more clearly, has instead obscured his vision. 
Oh, but isn't it so much more likely that we were the ones whose vision was obscured? We need to take responsibility. In the end the story of Barack Obama will make perfect sense. It will all fit together. The lonely man — raised by wolves — swept up into our American psychosis.
“Even though I’m president of the United States, my power is not limitless,” Obama, who has forced himself to ingest a load of gulf crab cakes, shrimp and crawfish tails, whinged to Grand Isle, La., residents on Friday. “So I can’t dive down there and plug the hole. I can’t suck it up with a straw.”
We need to suck it up. We need to see what we've done. We've elected a man, and we need to cast aside our silly illusions and see what we've done. He's not the essence of magical "normal." He's a particular man with skills and limitations, and he is our President for the next few years. Now, shape up, see clearly, and deal with it.

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Roger J. said...

FLs--already found that one--since Mr house does not appear to be an tulsa resident, I am thinking no--and that does disclose his other eight patents he claims.

the simple answer is, the harry is full of shit. and he clearly does not understand his claims can be researched.

kent said...

Cat fight! CAT FIIIIIIIIIGHT -- !!!

(The "heh" in this one is automatically assumed, naturally...)

Cedarford said...

Lyssa - cocks and cunts aside, the basic commonality of Palin and Slick Johnny is photogenic looks.

Both were painfully short on Presidential qualification, yet crowds feeding off their looks and red meat slogans loved them.

In their game, Johnnys big smile and silky hair helmet were huge assets to his adoring liberal feamle fans.

And Palins face, fertility, and big tits were all huge pluses to right wing men.

I don't think she deserved the savagery she got - but she is political eye candy of little substance with a history of quitting jobs.

Like Edwards, in over her abilities and talents.

Now she is where she probably should be - using her broadcast journalism degree to make money for herself. Still fairly incoherent..On Fox the other night, she was meanering all over the place and being gently corrected on things she was factually wrong on, while other statements had people struggling to understand what she was saying...if anything.

danielle said...

i'll never understand why anyone tries to apply logic to a piece of writing from Maureen Dowd.

bagoh20 said...

"She's basically another John Edwards..big on looks and saying the red meat things true believers want....but short on substance."

This from a guy who voted for The Lightworker!

bagoh20 said...

"Like Edwards, in over her abilities and talents."

This is day 59 for the competent one.

Michael Hasenstab said...

FLS - The patent was filed in 1979.

There is a gap in HDHouse's LinkdIn profile between 1975 and 1980. No mention of research or patents during that or any other time.

jeff said...

"Jindal is not an eligible Natural Born Citizen. He was born in Louisiana of Indian immigrant non citizen parents (he was born a citizen of India)"

Oh, dear. Guess that means Im not a natural born citizen either. My great, great, great, great grandparents were from England. So their offspring would be English. An so on down the line to me. Jindal has three kids with his wife, who came to this country when 3 years old. Guess they are out of luck too.

AllenS said...

Remember this?

In an interview with Glamour magazine, Michelle Obama reveals that her husband, Barack, is so “snore-y and stinky” when he wakes up in the morning that their daughters won’t crawl into bed with him.

Well, I guess when you're raised by wolves....

GMay said...

When Lyssa is telling you to "STFU", you've hit rock bottom.

Cut your losses dude.

Roger J. said...

Michael and FLS--unless mr house can provide his patent numbers, lets just assume harry is misrepresenting his credentials. The search of the patent office comes up with only one name from Tulsa--harry has claimed nine and lives in NY. Now I will most assuredly withdraw my claim that harry is lying out of his ass if he can produce patent numbers--but I am not holding my breath.

AJ Lynch said...

IMO the 2012 election will be about competence, experience, the Constitution and who has the best approach to downsizing the fed govt so it is a more palatable size from a fiscal responsibility perspective.

holdfast said...

Actually W was in many ways a little too normal - he is a lot like other guys from his generation and class - really not a bad guy, but without that extra something necessary to be a "Reagan". W wasn't brilliant, but he was smart enough - what he lacked was Reagan's inner strength, core faith in America, and ability to communicate the same.

Obama is a typical highly educated douchebag who is fairly bright, but somehow manages to convince folks that he is "brilliant", which he manifestly is not. He's good at politics, both retail and wholesale, and his who career has been a series of political advances, rising so fast that he never really had to actually do the jobs he won - instead he just started campaigning for the next advance. Now he is stuck in a place where politics cannot save him, and real skills and leadership are required, and lacking those, he is at sea.

kent said...

Obama is a typical highly educated douchebag

"Somebody get Rahm on the phone -- stat! WE'VE JUST LUCKED ONTO OUR CAMPAIGN SLOGAN FOR '12, PEOPLE -- !!!"

Mick said...

Jeff said,



"Oh, dear. Guess that means Im not a natural born citizen either. My great, great, great, great grandparents were from England. So their offspring would be English. An so on down the line to me. Jindal has three kids with his wife, who came to this country when 3 years old. Guess they are out of luck too."


I didn't say his grandparents had to be citizens, just his parents (both). Jindal's kids are Natural Born Citizens (if his wife was a US Citizen when they were born).
Natural Born Citizens are born with sole allegiance to the US and no other foreign paower. Jindal owed allegiance to Inadia at birth, just like Obama owed allegiance to Britain (and Kenya)because of his father's Kenyan citizenship (admittedly). If Jindal's parents had been naturalized before Bobby's birth, then he would be a natural born citizen, but they came here 6 months before he was born.


“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
----From "Fight the Smears"------

Michael Hasenstab said...

Lyssa - Palin lost Cedarford at "I support Israel."

Methadras said...

Why do these people play such dishonest games? The level of deceit by these people is in a whole new realm of lying. Are there varying degrees of lies that these people won't stoop down too?

lyssalovelyredhead said...

Gmay said: When Lyssa is telling you to "STFU", you've hit rock bottom.

Is there something special about me, particularly, telling someone to STFU? Just curious!

Cedarford said...

"GMay said...
When Lyssa is telling you to "STFU", you've hit rock bottom."

When you use Lyssa as your lodestone of moral superiority and correctness in all matters, YOU have hit rock bottom.

=====================
Holdfast - Good post. On Bush - failed President. Not as bad as Carter though, or what Obama is shaping up to be. But still a big failure.

Eventually, some biographers will dredge up Obama's LSATs, SATs, and grades. Then we will know how much his protectors in media and academia helped snooker us.

A.W. said...

Mick

For the love of God, not this shit again.

Bobby Jindal is indeed a natural born citizen, because he was born in the united states. That is the rule imposed by the 14th Amendment and it is time for you to accept that.

Shit, Jindal's a better american than you are. At least he serves a valuable purpose.

A.W. said...

Cedar

> Both were painfully short on Presidential qualification, yet crowds feeding off their looks and red meat slogans loved them.

Give me a break. Palin would make a better president than Obama. And of course he also got off on good looks and vague slogans designed to hide what a partisan hack he was.

Seriously the man was asleep at the switch as the oil gushed out and you are going to pretend he was qualified for the job? I am not sure Palin would be better, but at least she has actually run something, so she had half a chance of addressing it.

Seriously, the cognitive dissonance in relation to Obama is amazing. Just about every criticism you can make of palin is even more true with obama. I’m not saying she would be the best candidate for president. But she would almost certainly do a better job than the ditherer in chief.

Kirby Olson said...

Jindal meets the legal requirements.

Schwarzanegger can be governor, but not president (infortunately).

Don't discount Palin because of where she hails from. Her genealogy is loaded with talent: doctors, lawyers, etc.

She's no cousin to the polar bear.

She has a natural alliance with the millions of women in the Tea Party movement (lots and lots of well-educated women in the Tea Party movement, too, which is often downgraded to dumb simply on the basis of not being leftist blowhards with their degrees in leftist studies).

I think she was just shocked at Charlie Gibson's open hostility when she was expecting him to be normal and decent and objective and professional.

She's over that, now.

The left has always necklaced those that it considers to be its natural constituency. It's just how they roll.

Any woman or person of color is going to have to realize that.

Clarence Thomas was treated with a hundred times the disdain a white man would have been treated.

Sarah Palin is getting the same treatment.

Try leaving the fold, and watch what happens.

It's meant to serve as a lesson. It does. If you want intellectual freedom, you have to leave the left.

Which isn't to say you won't pay an enormous price. Is the price worth it?

For Palin, apparently, it is!

AJ Lynch said...

Holdfast:

I am still amazed how the MSM especially the conservatives were fooled into seeing Obama as brilliant. Rememember before the election when Obama had dinner at Tom Friedman's palace with George Will, Krauthammer and the Beltway pundits were all dazzled by his bull.

traditionalguy said...

Hd.... Palin has shown the guts to attack Obama's weak points time and again. Being a white Woman rather than a white man she had the pass to call him on his "Paling around with terrorists" before the election. Then last year at this time she exposed the true weak spot in Health Care Reform of insurance availbility.... She pointed out that it was all about Death Panels to cut off expenses once all private insurance had been driven off the field. That started the Tea Parties when the Congress Critters went home in August to hold Town Hall Meetings to sell the Reforms and were rudely challenged for refusing to level with the people on the issue Palin had exposed. That was when the Meme went out that someone was Ghost Writing her work since it is accepted that Dummy Women cannot think clearly, and only men are to recieve the credit for ideas that women bring to the table. Palin's facebook has also hit the ten ring on several other issues within 24 hours after they arose. That Ghost Writer must be in constant communication with her. Plus she attracts crowds larger than any other candidate. Her political skill made her Target Numero Uno for every GOP wannabe candidate and for every Progressive hit team sent north to Alaska by Obama's political team to bag her. Then she boldly resigned as Governor to counter-move their faked up ethics petition of the week. As a result she is more than a winner. She is free to run for President now, and nobody has yet figured out how to stop her...next door neighbor spy included.

kent said...

Is there something special about me, particularly, telling someone to STFU?

[::strangled whisper::] "One of the Seven Seals of ancient Biblical prophecy. Go to the address written on this scrap of paper -- Dan Brown's house. Mention my name when you get there."

Big Mike said...

I have to agree with DBQ. Sarah Palin was a pioneer, and everybody knows the fate a pioneer: face down in the dirt with a back full of arrows.

No, she wasn't a pioneer because she was a member of a Presidential ticket -- that had been done already. She was a pioneer because she was a national-level, female candidate who was not a hard core left-winger. The beneficiaries of Sarah's breakthrough are Nikki Haley, Carly Fiorina, Meg Whitman, and, should they decide to go national, Michelle Bachmann and Governor Brewer.

And the likes of Tina Brown and columnist Ruth Marcus of the Washington Post are gnashing their teeth in rage and frustration.

Methadras said...

Roger J. said...

FLs--already found that one--since Mr house does not appear to be an tulsa resident, I am thinking no--and that does disclose his other eight patents he claims.

the simple answer is, the harry is full of shit. and he clearly does not understand his claims can be researched.


Wow, the crusty old fart HDHouse is caught lying? Again? Should I be surprised? First, Garage is outed, AlphaLiberal has been a known liar, so no news there, and no HDHouse. Who is next? Jeremy? Michael? Schtickmo Urban Legume? Can't wait.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

L@@K ----> a 200 plus thread without Ritmo!!

Is there something special about me, particularly, telling someone to STFU?

You are generally pretty nice to people. On the other hand...it is expected of me.

Janet Brewer would also be a good candidate for VP. I don't see her being top of the ticket. However, to have 2 governers on a 2012 ticket might be too much.

In addition Brewer would have to fight off the (false) crys of racism and knee jerk voting by people who will vote against her for the same reasons that they ignorantly voted FOR Obama.

Christie so far has only pissed off the Unions, who are not so popular and have shown themselves to be the thugs that I have always known them to be.

Plus while Brewer is one smart and tough cookie, Christie has more likeability.

Mick said...

A.W. said...
"Mick

For the love of God, not this shit again.
Bobby Jindal is indeed a natural born citizen, because he was born in the united states. That is the rule imposed by the 14th Amendment and it is time for you to accept that.
Shit, Jindal's a better american than you are. At least he serves a valuable purpose."


And of course you are wrong. If you are a citizen by way of the 14th Amendment (the words "Natural Born" are not in the amendment), then you are a citizen by statute. Natural Born Citizens are citizens by natural law not statute. No Statute is needed to say that one is a Natural Born Citizen. It is a circumstance of birth. You need to study up!

Big Mike said...

@Peano, Professor Althouse has explained how she came to decide in favor of Barack Obama, and she scarcely needs to link back to "how McCain lost me."

But what I'd like to see her do is some soul-searching about why she failed to see that Barack Obama would be an even greater risk than John McCain. Did she not check out Obama's work on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge? The CAC had almost $100M to spend, yet in 2003 the final technical report noted that while "student achievement improved across Annenberg Challenge schools as it did across the Chicago Public School system as a whole, results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence."

He'd have done better to offer up $5 for each A a child brought home, $3 for a B, and $1 for a C. Spent less money, too, I imagine.

What was the outcome of Obama's work as a community organizer? The City of Chicago pledged to remove asbestos from the community he organized, but reneged on the agreement not long after he took off for law school. Nor is there any indication he ever followed up when he returned to Chicago, even though, as a US Senator, he would not have been without clout in Chicago.

Beyond that, what did he accomplish? What had he led that was successful? What had he done that took real political courage.

I don't understand why a university professor didn't ask such questions, nor do I think that she would refrain from making the same sort of mistakes in the future.

And that bothers me more than it should. I know enough professors to know that however bright they are with respect to their particular subject areas, they can often be no more than ordinary with respect to real life because they just don't seem to consider the need to apply their known analytical skills outside their area of expertise. But somehow I had expected more of this professor.

Mick said...

Kirby Olson said...
"Jindal meets the legal requirements. "


Says who? where? He is not an eligible natural born citizen because his parents were Indian citizen resident aliens when Bobby was born. To be a natural Born Citizen, eligible for POTUS, they would have had to be US Citizens when Bobby was born.
Schwarzenegger? that's a joke!

AllenS said...

Cedarford said...
And I don't understand why nuking the leak - as Russia has done several times- is not at least a viable option.

That's because IT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

Prove to me, with a link about Russia setting off a nuclear explosion. When was the last time Russia set off a nuclear explosion? When was the last time America exploded one? If either country exploded one, it would be a big fucking deal. And don't give me any internet bull fucking shit. I want something that the NYT or the Wash Post wrote about it.

Roger J. said...

Meth: the sad thing about house and the other liberal liars is that I am quite willing to entertain their opinions--but when they have to lie to support those opinions, it becomes a rather foolish exercise. I can argue about opinons all day and rather enjoy it. Dealing with a serial liar like House becomes very tiresome.

Sixty Grit said...

So it is settled, then. Bush is the best president we have had this century.

WV - horines - blonde prostitutes.

Ann Althouse said...

I can't believe I called Mussolini Stalin! I've got to stop reading "Liberal Fascism." It's fried my brain. Apparently. No. Just kidding. I'm so normal.

Pogo said...

Socialists are wolves in sheep's clothing.

Barack was raised by wolves.

Raised by wolves, now he throws us to the wolves.

Mick said...

To AllenS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU

Attila Girl said...

{humming}

Kirby Olson said...

Pogo -- I loved your schtick!

AllenS said...

Bullshit, Mick.

AllenS said...

Provide information when the last time that the USSR or the USofA detonated a nucular bomb. When was this? When did this happen? When we detonated our last bomb, why did we do it? When did Russia do theirs? I would like to think that this incredible feat would have been a big fucking deal that the media back when (?) would have been in all of the news. What? They did this 3 times, you say? When did these 3 times happen?

Mick said...

AllenS said...
Bullshit, Mick.


To what? you mean the nuke? why?

GMay said...

LLR said: "Is there something special about me, particularly, telling someone to STFU? Just curious!"

Nothing special, just that you usually seem above the fray. Not that I have a problem with you saying it (I'd like to see more actually, but I'm a peon), it just seems a little out of character.

GMay said...

Cedarford belched: "When you use Lyssa as your lodestone of moral superiority and correctness in all matters, YOU have hit rock bottom."

Yo, tinfoil hat boy - for someone whose first sentence of his first post in this thread mentioned that old progressive Jewish media cabal, why don't you just keep your warped notions of morality to yourself.

A.W. said...

Mick

You write:

> If you are a citizen by way of the 14th Amendment (the words "Natural Born" are not in the amendment), then you are a citizen by statute.

Um, no. You are a citizen by the fucking constitution, you idiot. Not merely a statute.

> Natural Born Citizens are citizens by natural law not statute.

No, they are citizens by being born. And the “natural law” you speak of was violated the first time someone said that a person could be born in the U.S. know no other home than the U.S. and fight and die for the U.S. but nonetheless can’t be a citizen because of the color of his skin.

And Jeff is exactly right to point out the flaw in your argument. Unless you at least part native American, a.k.a. an American Indian, you are 100% the descendant of immigrants. Most of the time, those people were never formally made citizens. We didn’t even have immigration control until after the civil war. So my great grandparents came here from Germany, England, Scotland and Wales. They were not citizens. So, according to you, their children, my grandparents, were not citizens. And since they never took any citizenship exam, they never became citizens. So their children, my parents, were not citizens, again according to you. So then I am not a citizen, right?

You don’t know what you are talking about, period.

And I find it curious that you are always so eager to declare that men “of color” are unqualified to be president. Not all opposition to Obama is racist; indeed, I oppose Obama myself. And not all birtherism is racism. But your version sure as hell sounds like it.

By the way, can you even prove his parents weren’t citizens when they gave birth to him?

Trooper York said...

You know it's funny how everybody is looking into hdhouse. I didn't know this but a buddy of mine rented the house right next door to him in the Hamptons. Just like Sarah Palin. I know he didn't have a problem with that so I figured I would go out there and see what was up. I mean it's no big deal right? Not an invasion of privacy or anything.

I even managed to get some pictures of hd as he was ready to bike off to the market for some more depends.

He is pretty vigorous for such a moldered decaying corpse.

amba said...

El Pollo:

If I could photoshop I would make a California State flag with an emaciated Golden Bear being suckled dry by the public employee sector.

Ask Chip.

Robert Cook said...

"Palin has shown the guts to attack Obama's weak points time and again."

This takes courage?! Well, Palin has also shown the mental acuity to come in out of the rain. She's a genius!

amba said...

I just realized I misspelled Carter

Hooiser: I read that as intentional. Subconsciously, it probably was! We weren't as good at coming up with derisive plays on the names of bad presidents back then. Retroactively, it is bestowed!

amba said...

Troop,

My friend isn't living off the fat of the public-sector land. She's been unemployed for about two years (before that she worked in a call center), and her husband has been driving a bus part-time for much of that time with no benefits. They were just hoping to get into the lower middle class. I believe Christie is right, I'm just pointing out that a) the little guy always gets it, and b) how ironic it is that my friend equates Christie with the despised Obama.

amba said...

On Ann's "we":

Misery loves company.

bagoh20 said...

"how ironic it is that my friend equates Christie with the despised Obama."

Obama's ideas represent the cancer and Christie's the chemo. Both make you sick, but one is deadly and one a cure.

Derek Kite said...

Really really, he is not insane. He is normal.

Remember, he is not mentally imbalanced. He is normal.

Just a normal guy.

Humble like Uriah Heep.

Normal like ???

Derek

Big Mike said...

This takes courage?! Well, Palin has also shown the mental acuity to come in out of the rain. She's a genius!

Next to somebody who thinks Obama is a centrist, yes she is.

traditionalguy said...

Robert Cooke ...Who are the other GOP candidates that publicly attacked Obama's weak spots in his first 12 months? Maybe Michelle Bachman, but no insider Gop white male candidates. They had hired Michael Steele to do their job for them, because they had no guts. Leadership is based on followers perceptions of the leader's 1)courage, and 2) style of sharp dressing, and 3) intelligence to delegate (with supportive authority) good plans and reward the team members after the win. Kind of like a Point Guard in basketball. Now where again does Sarah Palin lack in leadership skills?

Mick said...

A.W. said,
"No, they are citizens by being born. And the “natural law” you speak of was violated the first time someone said that a person could be born in the U.S. know no other home than the U.S. and fight and die for the U.S. but nonetheless can’t be a citizen because of the color of his skin.

And Jeff is exactly right to point out the flaw in your argument. Unless you at least part native American, a.k.a. an American Indian, you are 100% the descendant of immigrants. Most of the time, those people were never formally made citizens."


Uh No, your emotional argument is completely wrong. American Indians are not considered US Citizens because they are born subject to the jurisdiction of their Indian nations, even if born in the US. That is exactly like Obama being born subject to the jurisdiction of Britain. His allegiance at birth was split because of his father's Kenyan citizenship. This is not racism, it is Natural Law on which our Constitution is based, according to the Declaration of independence (see the first paragraph) and Article 1 Section 8 Clause 10 of the USC (law of nations).

A.W said,
"Um, no. You are a citizen by the fucking constitution, you idiot. Not merely a statute."

Wrong again. The USC is statute. No Law makes a natural Born citizen a US citizen but Ntural Law.
Vattels Law Of Nations:
"The Natives, or NATURAL BORN CITIZENS are those born in a country of parents who are it's citizens."

No statute would be required to make these children US Citizens.


AW said,

"And I find it curious that you are always so eager to declare that men “of color” are unqualified to be president. Not all opposition to Obama is racist; indeed, I oppose Obama myself. And not all birtherism is racism. But your version sure as hell sounds like it.

By the way, can you even prove his parents weren’t citizens when they gave birth to him?"


Sure I can, he admits to being born of an alien father who gives him British citizenship at birth

From www.fightthesmears.com

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”"


How can someone born a British subject be a natural born citizen of the US? It is not a right to be eligible for POTUS, it is an eligibility rooted in National security, to guarentee the highest probility of attachment and allegiance to country in the Commander in chief.

Charlie said...

Being There=Alvin Greene

c3 said...

Wow, what a thread:

-This Dowd/Obama thing is beginning to feel eerily like the Sullivan/Palin thing

-I continue to be amazed how, in spite the well accepted conviction that C4 and Mick are "over the edge",folks continue to argue with them.

- and in spite of the calming photo's she so loves the Professor is reading this comment thread and saying to herself

Chaos, panic, & disorder - my work here is done.

amba said...

"how ironic it is that my friend equates Christie with the despised Obama."

Obama's ideas represent the cancer and Christie's the chemo. Both make you sick, but one is deadly and one a cure.


Bravo, Bagoh! Beautifully said. Chemo's actually not a cure, but I take your meaning.

Mark said...

Not wading through this, but I have to say to the proprietress, you're about two years too late to the party.

Mick said...

C3 said,

"-I continue to be amazed how, in spite the well accepted conviction that C4 and Mick are "over the edge",folks continue to argue with them. "

No one has proven me wrong, including you. Where does it say that anyone born in the US is a Natural Born Citizen eligible to be POTUS? Do you really think that anchor babies are eligible to be POTUS? Arizona is about to enact a law that says they are not even citizens, much less Natural Born Citizens. Are you a Know Nothing lawyer too?

master cylinder said...

Mick, your presence here makes the other commenters look thoughtful-not an easy feat.
I think you are a plant.

AllenS said...

Mick, you are dumber than a master cylinder or a box of rocks.

Big Mike said...

The thought crosses my mind that if Sarah Palin had "no leadership skills" then you wouldn't have to say so, would you? It would be self-evident.

A.W. said...

Mick

> Uh No, your emotional argument

Its not emotional. It is knowledgeable of history.

> is completely wrong. American Indians are not considered US Citizens because they are born subject to the jurisdiction of their Indian nations, even if born in the US.

Because there are territories in the U.S. “owned” by those semi-autonomous entities. Slightly different situation of a person of (Asian) Indian descent, moron.

> This is not racism, it is Natural Law on which our Constitution is based, according to the Declaration of independence (see the first paragraph)

There is nothing in the Declaration of Independence that leads to or even suggests your conclusions. Nor was it the meaning of those terms as understood at the time. For you, natural law just means whatever you want things to be.

> The USC [U.S. Constitution] is statute.

No, it is not. And if you don’t know that, then you don’t know anything.

> No Law makes a natural Born citizen a US citizen but Ntural Law.

Lol, so you think this “natural law” trumps the constitution itself?

> Vattels Law Of Nations:

The law of England as of the day of the founding was that any person born in the any part of the british empire was a british subject. That is the legal background they were writing against, and that is presumptively what they meant by the term.

> Sure I can, he admits to being born of an alien father who gives him British citizenship at birth

From www.fightthesmears.com

No, I am talking about Mr. Jindal. Because we have already been over it with Mr. Obama and your citation didn’t say anything like what you said.

> How can someone born a British subject be a natural born citizen of the US?

Because no foreign statute can govern who can and can’t be president of the United States, dunce.

Robert Cook said...

"Now where again does Sarah Palin lack in leadership skills?"

How about in completing her term of office and serving her constituents?

Delayna said...

Barack 0bama was not raised by wolves.

Wolves would have taught him to show respect.

Wolves are not communists. (Just try to deny a wolf the right to his property.)

READV is the word, and I read every one of the comments. Except those by HDHOUSE, ALIB...

Peano said...

Big Mike said: "@Peano, Professor Althouse has explained how she came to decide in favor of Barack Obama, and she scarcely needs to link back to 'how McCain lost me.'"

No, that won't do. "How McCain lost me" hardly explains "How a charlatan won me."

Me is the operative pronoun. The professor needs to knock off that "we" crap and identify her own silly illusions.

You can't justify voting for Obama by reciting the reasons why you wouldn't vote for McCain.

Methadras said...

Robert Cook said...

How about in completing her term of office and serving her constituents?


Uh, maybe you should youtube her speech as to why she was resigning as Gov. of Alaska? The leftard smear machine had sent it's army of lawyers to find dirt on her to the tune of trumping up any number of alleged ethics violations that would have swamped her gubernatorial tenure with endless investigation and smear. That is not serving of her citizenry and therefore she ended it all by resigning. Oddly enough, once that happened, all the allegations against her magically disappeared.

Cookie, you seem like a fairly intelligent guy, but honestly, I really wander why you even bother. Your leftardism is so far off the cliff that you have the audacity to claim that President Barely is a moderate? Do you enjoy being laughed at?

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