November 22, 2009

"We want this list to be as accurate as Palin is delusional."

Then if your list is completely inaccurate and Palin isn't at all delusional, you'll have what you want. How devilish! Or, no. Are you going to tell me that's not what you meant, obviously? Aha! By your own standard, you are a liar. Oh, but that's not really your definition of a liar, that's just a standard to be applied to Sarah Palin? Ah, well, then you are a hypocrite. Which is it?

ADDED: Sarah Palin's Uterus — who calls me "notable uterus-having individual Ann Althouse" — has a lot to say.

96 comments:

XWL said...

So is this rules for anti-radicals?

Hold hypocrites to their own hypocritical standards, and illustrate their hypocrisy even as they accuse others of being hypocrites.

Spinning, head, now.

1jpb said...

At some point will Meade tap Althouse on the shoulder as she's banging away at the keyboard composing another Palin post and say "It's time to move on. Let's go drink wine and plant some more trees."

kent said...

The Uterus Strikes Back (and credits Althouse, in the process): THE ODD LIES OF ANDREW SULLIVAN. ;)

XWL said...

I don't think any of these Palin posts are about Palin. They're about the anti-Christian, anti-wrong-kind-of-feminist, anti-don't-talk-like-an-ivy-leaguer media.

Media assholes have exposed the depths of their assholery with regards to Palin.

You can be a non-Palin fan, you can even actively be scared of what Palin represents, and you should still find the behavior of the media to be disgusting.

David said...

Lady Chatterly is out of copyright? Damn.

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chickenlittle said...

You can be a non-Palin fan, you can even actively be scared of what Palin represents, and you should still find the behavior of the media to be disgusting.

Well I for one won't be sated until I see some sort of fatality come out of this. Not suicide suicide, just the career suicide sort. I mean the Coliseum is full, attention is riveted, I want to see the ink flow like blood.

Robert Stacy McCain said...

Well, Kent, as much as Sully dreads Sarah Palin's uterus -- and the Cthulu-like horror of the v*j*yj*y -- I think it horribly unfair to say that Andrew Sullivan hates Jews.

traditionalguy said...

The supposedly impirical list of Palin's lies is the weakest kind of one quarter truths. Whenever I see such coming from opposition it is comforting, because they would have used the real dirt if they had any. Since that Drivel is all they came up with Andrew has confirmed Palin's character by showing that an opponent who examines Palin's flaws will come up empty.

Gary said...

What I need to know after reading Andrew's list of Palin's lies is, is all that true?

If they are, with such a lengthy list, then she should be shunned and ignored.

If they aren't, then somebody, preferably a citizen of another country, needs to make a list of Andrew's lies and start a blog that 75% of the time attacks him.

Adam said...

I'll bet she stole Andrew's strawberries, too.

Rialby said...

My question is...

How much of Sully's shtick is driven by a mental disorder and how much is driven by a desperate need to get in the good graces of his favorite reader, BHO? Someone else posted this before and it sounds a bit off-the-wall but plausible - Sullivan's visa expires in 2011 and because he's HIV positive and is unwilling to marry a woman, he cannot apply for permanent residency or citizenship but he could get a reprieve from the very top.

Is that true? Does anyone know?

Adam said...

Just two of the many idiocies available at Andrew Sullivan's Target-Rich Environment:

"Palin lied when she announced on the news that she never holds closed-door meetings; in fact, she had just attended a closed-door meeting with the legislature earlier that day."

This fool doesn't understand the difference between "holding" a meeting and "attending" a meeting. Or else SULLY'S A LIAR!1!!

"Palin lied when she said that former aide John Bitney's "amicable" departure was for "personal" reasons; in fact, Bitney said he was fired because of his relationship with the wife of Palin's friend...."

So either Sully doesn't think that a "relationship" with someone's wife is "personal" or else HE'S A LIAR!!11!!

If this guy's nickname weren't already "sully," it would be necessary to make it so.

Kirby Olson said...

Each sentence is worded so vaguely that it's hard to determine what he's saying.

What comes through is that he's hysterical about Sarah Palin gaining traction and is shooting tiny white lies in desperation.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Liberals sure do hate people who talk with an accent and don't bow before them.

Rialby said...

So, I did a little research:

Current and future immigration law allows for waivers for those with HIV for permanent residency. Unfortunately for Sully, he does not qualify.

Sully has said the following on his blog just this past summer under a posting about gay couples who have US immigration problems: Mine ends for good (no more waivers possible) in March 2011. Tick, tock.

Rialby said...

So, the question needs to be publicly asked, "Is Andrew Sullivan working under the belief that if he does the dirty work for the Democratic Party and his overlord, Barack Obama, he will be granted some sort of reprieve from immigration law?" Is there a quid pro quo at work here?

Or is he just bat shit crazy?

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miller said...

I use Occam's Razor: he is simply crazy.

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1jpb said...

At some point will Meade tap Althouse on the shoulder as she's banging away at the keyboard composing another Palin post and say "It's time to move on. Let's go drink wine and plant some more trees."

Meade did not win the fair Althouse by drinking wine and planting trees.

At some point, he will give her a little nibble at that special spot on the neck...

Wv "saing" When a Texan utters, as, "Whut Ah was saing..."

Theo Boehm said...

Miller's razor was faster than my own.

miller said...

We can speculate all we want as to the why (and I suspect there is something really wrong with him that keeps him so obsessed) but absent a professional examination (and I am not a professional & I do not trust drive-by diagnoses) I will simply say he is crazy.

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miller said...

Ah yes - I remember the Lunatick.

I can see the fascination with Palin. She is bright, provocative, chipper, assertive, good-looking, and comes across as someone you'd love to have with you on a hike, a bike ride, or just over for coffee.

But for the life of me - why the fascination with Sulllivan? He is dreary, pedantic, smug, and One-Note Johnny on SSM. I would dread to be stuck on the same bus with him for a 15 minute ride crosstown.

However, on the plus side, he's like Pavlov's dog w/r/t Palin. Just say "Palin" in his presence and watch him go crazy.

garage mahal said...

There isn't really any foundational truth in anything Palins says, so technically you're really not documenting lies. The bridge, the pipeline, the plane, the chef, and on and on and on. It's all a load of horseshit to begin with.

John Stodder said...

Thing is, if Sullivan is crazy, he has enablers. He's not the only blogger on his blog anymore.

1jpb said...

"he hasn't been around much lately."

How about that cockroach? Been around lately?

And, I see that Trooper doesn't even have Althouse in his blog roll.

Well at least there are still plenty of cons who never tire of rambling on and on about the coming demise of America thank to evil BHO who hates Amer...blah, blah, blah...

SMGalbraith said...

I'm not sure the "Palin represents his mean Mommy" explanation applies.

When the controversy over the "gay Lincoln" arose about three years or so ago, for example, Sullivan displayed many of these same characteristics against those who questioned the thesis.

I.e., taking quotes out of context, personal attacks, Moby-like crusade intensity; albeit all on a smaller scale.

It is strange that a man who talks about a "conservatism of doubt", about how one must recognize the moral complexity of the world, can be so fanatically rigid. Once he makes his mind up - as we saw originally about Bush and Iraq - all who disagree must be destroyed.

It is what he is.

vbspurs said...

The problem with this lies and the liars who tell them meme is that those who push it sometimes get loads of attention.

Like Senator Al Franken. So why should Sullivan stop?

Cheers,
Victoria

SMGalbraith said...

There isn't really any foundational truth in anything Palins says

Nothing at all. Sullivan fever! Catch it before it catches you.

This (the above) is why the psychological explanation of Sullivan's actions don't make sense to me.

He's not alone.

miller said...

Well, you can make a sweeping assertion ("No foundation") without any proof or cites -- and that's enough to disprove everything.

I declare today is free unicorns and rainbow day.

This has about the same validity.

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Palladian said...

Like Sullivan, 1jpb pretended that he was once a conservative. I bet he's the guy who writes those "email of the day" letters to Sullivan. You know, the ones that always start out: "I voted for every Republican candidate since Benjamin Harrison but I had to vote for Obama because he's the only honest conservative blah blah..."

Michael said...

Reading through the list and the way the individual items are worded, I began to wonder how long a list the sure-to-be-forthcoming Joe Biden version will be. After all, this is someone who is literally one heart-beat away from the Presidency.

wv: kerayshe - what other commenters are calling Sullivan, spoken with a lisp.

Penny said...

With all due respect to my hostess, the only thing sillier than Andrew Sullivan's troll shtick are those who seem intent on feeding him.

Stand up! Be your own troll!

miller said...

There are not enough servers on Wikipedia to list all of Joe Biden's lies.

But he gets a pass. Because of the (D) next to his name.

Kirby Olson said...

Or Obama's.

I never really knew Bill Ayers.
I wasn't really listening to Brother Wright.

The Cambridge Police were acting stupidly.

I don't think there's any record that she banned Harry Potter. I checked at the library and it's there. (Wasilla Library catalog is online, but they don't have any of my books.)

Kirby Olson said...

Maybe he should focus on one lie, and prove it with evidence that others could check. As it is, it's just hysteria -- one lie after another without any substantiation.

1jpb said...

How did Palladian hack into my email account?

At least I don't claim that I'm voting for BHO because McCain wasn't a good conservative option. Doesn't Althouse say something along these lines?

And, I don't say "I voted out of contempt for the other candidates and as a protest against the incredibly distressing mob mentality exhibited by the citizens of my city. I was actually not going to vote for anyone on the Presidential/Vice-Presidential ticket but when I was in line at my polling place, someone laughingly said "we're racking up the votes for our man Barack!" and a few people cheered which irked me enough to pull the lever for the opposition ticket." So emotionally adrift, reacting instead of acting.

miller said...

1pjb, I'm not following you - what are you talking about? (I'm not snarking, just curious.)

miller said...

sorry, 1jpb. The small font confuses my tired old eyes.

SMGalbraith said...

At least I don't claim that I'm voting for BHO because McCain wasn't a good conservative option.... et cetera......

So, Palladian was correct?

1jpb said...

miller,

For fun I pulled up one of Palladian's old quotes. I believe that he had piss poor reasoning for casting a vote.

The broader context for his quote was that he was was fussing w/ ZPS. And, Althouse was trying to setup some sort of rhetorical cage match between the two.

[BTW, I hope ZPS will be around to share his favorite songs for 2009. I have appreciated his annual list, and I'm looking forward to his recap for this year. But, his blog has been very dormant.]

SMG,

No, he wasn't correct about the part you excerpted. And, he wasn't correct about me sending email to Sully. There is some truth to some of the rest of it.

miller said...

OK, thanks.

I didn't realize we could search through blog postings.

chickenlittle said...

Or Obama's.

And when ObamaCare passes containing language proscribing high deductible health insurance, and he signs it, I'm going start publicly calling him a liar:

First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.

Barack Obama July 16th, 2009

Palladian said...

1jpb, did you really support Benjamin Harrison in (18)88? I was a James G. Blaine man myself, but alas he lost the nomination.

Did you know that Grover Cleveland, the incumbent Democrat who Harrison beat, held an umbrella over Harrison at his inauguration?

Palladian said...

(That's Grover Cleveland to the left of Harrison, the baldy behind the hat)

john said...

Andrew lied that when he called NPR "unrelentingly leftist" it should be taken as a pejorative (until NPR took a liken' to him).

Andrew lied when he titled his book "Soul of a Conservative", on at least two grounds.

Sullivan lies when CNN quotes him as a "noted conservative", he remains straightfaced.

Sullivan lied when he said he didn't have a mancrush on Obama.

john said...

Sorry, Sullivan may have never actually said he didn't have a mancrush on Obama.

tim maguire said...

Hey, when did Sullivan ditch that Orwell line about seeing what is in front of one's face? It was the only thing that made his blog readable.

Exposed it as satire, it did!

TW: pocki

If it ain't a word, it oughta be.

AJ Lynch said...

Two of the many, many lesser lights in America's MSM are Andrew Sullivan and Michele Goldberg.

They sure don't warrant the energy I am expending to type this comment.

Floydster said...

Your obsessive need to defend Sarah Palin, no matter how bad she looks or how stupid she acts, used to baffle me. But now I get it: Palin is anti-intellectual; and so are you!

I had been distracted by the fact you are a professor; but professors can be anti-intellectual too. Well, if they have tenure--and no shame.

SMGalbraith said...

But now I get it: Palin is anti-intellectual; and so are you!

A woman who has devoted much of her life to law, to academia, to teaching is an obscurantist?

Needs some work, if you ask me.

AC245 said...

Still no dispute over Floydster's expertise on predictable and boring.

Palladian said...

"Your obsessive need to defend Sarah Palin, no matter how bad she looks or how stupid she acts, used to baffle me."

Hahaha! AJD calls someone else obsessive! It used to baffle me why someone would spend years (literally!) posting the same basic nasty comment over and over again, using dozens of different aliases at a blog written by someone they claimed to hate. But now I get it: you're a fucking psycho.

An ex-student of Althouse, maybe?

SMGalbraith said...

You learn quickly on the internet that the yahoos on the right are nothing compared to the yahoos on the left.

Granted, quantitatively there're more on the right but the quality on the left will surprise you.

Or not.

Palladian said...

For those who haven't been around here long, Floydster = AJD, an entity who has spent years posting the same personal insult kind of comment directed at Althouse, using dozens and dozens of different "screen names" that all link to the same "unavailable" Blogger profile, number 02407299546060974148. The comments are pretty easy to spot and are clearly all written by the same intellectually limited author. They all have a similar tone and are always directed at Althouse in a bitter, scorned-lover personal kind of way. It's a fun game to find them and comment on them!

Palladian said...

And for the record, it didn't just occur to me that AJD/Floydster/et al is a psycho. That's been clear since day one.

rcocean said...

Incredible, Atlhouse defends Palin. And her, a law professor!

Whats this country coming to when a LAW PROFESSOR defends a dangerous radical like Palin.

Althouse - a traitor to her class.

section9 said...

Busted Floydster=Dead Man Walking

miller said...

I really don't understand the intellectual laziness of someone changing his screen name.

What, exactly, does this accomplish?

jeff said...

miller: to attempted to hide the intellectual dishonesty associated with their previous name?

chickenlittle said...

They all have a similar tone and are always directed at Althouse in a bitter, scorned-lover personal kind of way. It's a fun game to find them and comment on them!


Another lazybones is "not a hillbilly" aka "UW Law School Babe" aka as "L.E. Lee": Link

AJ Lynch said...

I wonder how AJD chooses his names though?

Jiminy C, Floydster, Doyle?

Penny said...

Palladian? You disappoint, and I don't say that any more easily than when I told Althouse she was disappointing in feeding the Sullivan troll.

"It's a fun game."

Oh?

And I suppose you got some glee when reading that Rome burned?

miller said...

Well, there are yahoos on both sides, I agree. Some are likely Mobys, trying to make their "side" look bad.

Palladian said...

I only point out AJD because most people aren't aware of the fact that you can easily change your Blogger screen name, so they're led to believe that the Althouse blog has dozens of different enemies rather than one obsessed loser. It's a little public service to the community, if you will.

wv: crunchoux. Pâte à choux baked to a crispy, golden brown.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Andrew Sullivan is deep in the throes of AIDS-related dementia.

wv palics: Long stories your idiot friends tell

SMGalbraith said...

And here comes, as if on cue, the rightwing yahoos.

Nothing personal but something original would be welcomed.

Palladian said...

"Andrew Sullivan is deep in the throes of AIDS-related dementia."

Brilliant internet-based diagnosis, doctor! Tell me, doctor, I have a pain in my rotator cuff. Is it serious?

Penny said...

Palladian, if we are to believe you, then surely you know we have fewer "friends" here as well?

Tyrone Slothrop said...

Palladian said...

Brilliant internet-based diagnosis, doctor!


Gosh sorry. I guess all your dumbass opinions are backed up by triple doctorates.

jeff said...

"Palladian, if we are to believe you, then surely you know we have fewer "friends" here as well?"

What logic brings you to that conclusion?

"Gosh sorry. I guess all your dumbass opinions are backed up by triple doctorates."
See the idea is that you are supposed to tell us why they are "dumbass" opinions and use fact and logic. Try it.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

You know, you're right Jeff. I just reread Palladian's posts in this thread and there are no opinions at all. Just dumbass.

Roux said...

I didn't realize that Andrew had a uterus but I'm certainly not surprised. You can buy just about anything on Craigslist these days.

Chase said...

Palladian,

You have performed a valuable service here.

Thank you, and please continue.

It is obvious that AJD is suffering from multiple mental health issues.

jeff said...

"You know, you're right Jeff. I just reread Palladian's posts in this thread and there are no opinions at all. Just dumbass."

And yet you still offer no facts or logic to support your position. Just the taunts of a fourth grader on the playground.Therefore we are forced to discard it.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

jeff said...

And yet you still offer no facts or logic to support your position.


You see, Sully is free to call Sarah Palin "delusional" without any clincial analysis at all!

I too am free to throw out a wild-hair opinion, and I have even less of a requirement to back it up than Sullivan does. You see how that works?

But if that is your standard, jeff, (I bet that's not even your real name!) then I will watch your posts carefully to make sure you substantiate each and every position you take, and it better have footnotes.

wv fluba: Fred McMurray movie shown in NYC

lucid said...

By Sullivan's own "standards" of lying, Obama lies repeatedly every time he speaks--and his are lies on matters of state.

algie said...

"A word means exactly what I want
it to mean no more & no less"

H. Dumpty

Ode to those headed for a great fall.

We're the arbiter of all that's true
Because we're much smarter than you
Don't cavil or kvetch
You miserable wretch
Criticizing our 'Proper' world view


....nnnn..'o.o'..uu!u....algie
Illegitimi nOn carborundum

elizabeth said...

Goldberg talks real purty - expansive language for such a narrow mind. Pfft...
YOU look gorgeous, Ann!

Penny said...

I say, "Palladian, if we are to believe you, (about twenty enemies being just one) then surely you know we have fewer "friends" here as well?"

And then you ask, "What logic brings you to that conclusion?"

That's a good question, jeff, and of course, I may be very wrong. My logic wasn't talking. That was straight from my gut.

So what do you think, jeff?

Are my instincts wrong?

LoafingOaf said...

Althouse was fed the weakest Palin lie on Andrew's list by a commenter on a previous thread. It didn't surprise me that rather than address the fact that Palin lies all the time, she singled out the one weak item on Andrew's list of lies. Yes, that item does show that Andrew Sullivan is out to get Palin. But Althouse was out to pretend she doesn't notice the lies when she pretended she randomly clicked on that one Israeli flag item. One of her commenters (I know this because he posted it in reply to one of my posts) had used that same response to Sullivan's list of lies in a previous thread.

It's too bad Andrew Sullivan allows that weak item to stay on his list of lies, because lawyers like Althouse will use that as an excuse to overlook the mountains of evidence that Sarah Palin is a huge and weird liar.

LoafingOaf said...

Pay no attention to Palladian. He is a troll. He was busy in the thread under the Bloggingheads episode spewing some bigotry about Michelle Goldberg being a "New York Jew".

Palladian said...

"Pay no attention to Palladian. He is a troll. He was busy in the thread under the Bloggingheads episode spewing some bigotry about Michelle Goldberg being a "New York Jew".

And Michelle Goldberg was busy spewing some bigotry about Sarah Palin being a idiotic hick. Besides, Goldberg is a New York Jew. When did that factual assertion become "bigotry"? My New York Jew friends would like to know.

Hey, speaking of that idiotic hick Palin, I'd think her pussy would have done gnawed clean through your leg by now! Do you still pop a boner and have a simultaneous, involuntary bowel movement when you hear her name?

Palladian said...

And Penny, I've long believed you are a sockpuppet for another commenter. It's nothing logical, just something from my gut. Who are you really, Penny?

vbspurs said...

Who is the troll who keeps talking of AIDS-related dementia about Sullivan. Well it's the same troll-puppet of sock as the one on top.

Penny said...

"He was busy in the thread under the Bloggingheads episode spewing some bigotry about Michelle Goldberg being a "New York Jew".

I think I met Palladian right around the time he was "cooking" up perfume.

I like cooks, I like perfume and I like Palladian...for now.

We'll both have to see how this proceeds.

I will leave the Jews to Cedarford, since both are off my radar.

For now, I'm in my backyard, air drying my long, luxuriant hair.

kent said...

"LABELS: Andrew Sullivan, hypocrisy, lying"

One simply cannot help but be pole-axed by the utter, awesome rightness of those three labels chain ganged alongside one another, like three equally gummy, grimy street perps in a police lineup. ;)

kentuckyliz said...

Speaking as a Gyno-American without a uterus as of June 12, 2009, how do we know that either Althouse or Palin still have a uterus at this point? Either one or both of these ladies coulda had a hysterectomy.

Still awaiting Chip Ahoy's Palin Fun Kit.

Product improvement suggestion:

Scratch and sniff labia that open up to reveal the cervix.

You do the cards with moving parts, you can make this!

I dare you to make the card and actually send it to Sully.

Tyrone Slothrop said...

vbspurs said...
Who is the troll who keeps talking of AIDS-related dementia about Sullivan. Well it's the same troll-puppet of sock as the one on top.


Is there some kind of proscription here on the theory that Sullivan is suffering from dementia?

Exhibit 1: Andrew Sullivan used to be a rational comentator.

Exhibit 2: Andrew Sullivan has now embarked on a crusade against Sarah Palin that even his supporters admit has clearly gone off the deep end.

Exhibit 3: Andrew Sullivan is HIV-positive.

Now if political correctness forbids broaching the possibility that Sullivan's brain has been affected by a virus, I must say I have sorely overestimated this blog and its commenters.

Is it because Ann is afraid AS is reading comments here and attributing them to her? If so, hi, Andy. You're going nuts.

hdhouse said...

XWL said...
"They're about the anti-Christian, anti-wrong-kind-of-feminist, anti-don't-talk-like-an-ivy-leaguer media.

Media assholes have exposed the depths of their assholery with regards to Palin.....still find the behavior of the media to be disgusting."

The media reports what it sees. Rush reports what he sees (although through a drug induced haze) as does FauxNoise, MSNBC and myriad others.

That you don't like what you see when the mirror is held up is your problem.

As to the anti-Christian garbage you start with...oh brother...not that mindless crap again.

Aaron said...

Am i the only person who gets the feeling that Sullivan's chief complaint against Palin comes down to this:

"Ew! A girl!"

Just sayin'.

knox said...

And Penny, I've long believed you are a sockpuppet for another commenter.

Palladian, you're not the only one. There was a discussion about her on another blog a long while ago.