October 20, 2009

Girls love the gay guy, Adam Lambert.

It makes perfect sense:
[A] gay man with an unabashed affection for eyeliner and nail polish has emerged... as a new American sex symbol. "I think it's beautiful," Lambert says. "That's the way it should be. It shouldn't matter what a person's sexual preference is — it doesn't change their appeal."...

"There was one woman in Jersey who was actually gorgeous," says Lambert. "She had obviously had a couple of cocktails, and during an after–show meet–and–greet, she just slithered up next to me and started kissing my neck. I was cool with it. But then it started to get a little weird because she was, like, moaning. She gave me a note that said, 'I want to make out with you, here's my number,' and I was like, wow, this is crazy. But again, it's cool. Because yeah, I am gay, but I like kissing women sometimes. Women are pretty. It doesn't mean I'm necessarily sleeping with them...."

"I don't see how all this is any different than—let's take a modern sex symbol like Brad Pitt. How many of these women who fantasize about him actually get to sleep with him?... It's all fantasy—that's what entertainment is."
Accordingly, he grapples a naked lady in a photoshoot. It's all fantasy.

114 comments:

Ron said...

Thank goodness blogging is about hard hitting analysis and not mere entertainment!

Skyler said...

"That's the way it should be. It shouldn't matter what a person's sexual preference is — it doesn't change their appeal."

I don't think I've seen a more obvious non sequitur before. The whole point of someone's appeal is their sexuality.

traditionalguy said...

Does Adam take his regular shots of estrogen? He is the image of an emasculated man that is no threat. The times they are a changing since John Wayne's Quiet Man was the image of a man we admired.

Bissage said...

Mr. Lambert might just be onto something, here.

But just remember, if Hanrahan’s wife’s a dyke, that makes him a fag.

Suzanne?

Shouting Thomas said...

God, how ugly!

I'm so tired of the ugliness of gaydom.

Boring, childish, empty.

EDH said...

I commented before that it's mostly older women that adore Lambert.

It was confirmed for me at the last Idol Tour concert. It was like night and day when these women perked up and then just shut-down after his second- or third-place spot on the concert play list. We're not even talking cougars here, but grandma types. I just couldn't understand the excitement these women felt for this not especially talented young gay man. No precedent that I can recall. Liberace? But there it was.

A guy I know who was on the original Idol Tour said the gay semi-finalists on the tour were all constantly hitting on him on the bus and elsewhere.

As Dirty Harry would say, "marvelous."

Leather Daddy said...

I would be happy to teach young Mr. Lambert a thing or two about fantasy.

Pogo said...

Time to reduce the estrogen content in the water supply yet?

rhhardin said...

It looks like the lipstick ads in the old New Yorker to me, back when I flipped through it.

MadisonMan said...

Adam sounds like titus.

Treacle said...

Shouting Thomas - I'm gay, but I didn't pass through a gaydom that was any more boring, childish and empty than it is in straightdom. We're all in this boring, childish and empty _____dom together, man.

MadisonMan said...

(NTTAWWT)

montana urban legend said...

Time to reduce the estrogen content in the water supply yet?

Not if you're one of those "conservatives" who believes that doing something about this would constitute a despotic impediment to the FREE!TM Market:

"Feminisation of the males of numerous vertebrate species is now a widespread occurrence. All vertebrates have similar sex hormone receptors, which have been conserved in evolution. Therefore, observations in one species may serve to highlight pollution issues of concern for other vertebrates, including humans."

Fish, it says, are particularly affected by pollutants as they are immersed in them when they swim in contaminated water, taking them in not just in their food but through their gills and skin. They were among the first to show widespread gender-bending effects.

Half the male fish in British lowland rivers have been found to be developing eggs in their testes; in some stretches all male roaches have been found to be changing sex in this way. Female hormones – largely from the contraceptive pills which pass unaltered through sewage treatment – are partly responsible, while more than three-quarters of sewage works have been found also to be discharging demasculinising man-made chemicals. Feminising effects have now been discovered in a host of freshwater fish species as far away as Japan and Benin, in Africa, and in sea fish in the North Sea, the Mediterranean, Osaka Bay in Japan and Puget Sound on the US west coast.

Research at the University of Florida earlier this year found that 40 per cent of the male cane toads – a species so indestructible that it has become a plague in Australia – had become hermaphrodites in a heavily farmed part of the state, with another 20 per cent undergoing lesser feminisation. A similar link between farming and sex changes in northern leopard frogs has been revealed by Canadian research, adding to suspicions that pesticides may be to blame.

Male alligators exposed to pesticides in Florida have suffered from lower testosterone and higher oestrogen levels, abnormal testes, smaller penises and reproductive failures. Male snapping turtles have been found with female characteristics in the same state and around the Great Lakes, where wildlife has been found to be contaminated with more than 400 different chemicals. Male herring gulls and peregrine falcons have produced the female protein used to make egg yolks, while bald eagles have had difficulty reproducing in areas highly contaminated with chemicals.

daubiere said...

whats gay about eyeliner and nail polish? i know plenty of gay men and none of them wear eyeliner or nail polish. it seems that lambert is the way he is not because hes a gay guy but because hes a pretentious sissy. theres a difference.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Adam Lambert is not a new type of sex symbol. You guys are all old, you should all remember the days of glam rock.

Neil Patrick Harris, on the other hand, is something new.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Lambert's album is coming out on November 24th. We can talk turkey then.

Balfegor said...

re: montana:

Female hormones – largely from the contraceptive pills which pass unaltered through sewage treatment – are partly responsible,

Hilarious and ironic.

montana urban legend said...

Hilarious and ironic.

Not as hilarious and ironic as your inability to even continue to read through the rest of the excerpt where it mentions "pesticides" or the "400" other chemicals (of which they can't all be birth control), let alone the whole article.

Start by looking into phthalates, dumbass. Plasticizers are pretty ubiquitously used regardless of political ideology. But conservatives are probably more likely to treat their gay kids like shit, so the joke's on you.

Keep not thinking, though. Emoting is good enough, right?

Balfegor said...

Not as hilarious and ironic as your inability to even continue to read through the rest of the excerpt where it mentions "pesticides" or the "400" other chemicals (of which they can't all be birth control)

I read the rest of your post. But alas, it was neither hilarious nor ironic, so I didn't bother commenting.

montana urban legend said...

I read the rest of your post. But alas, it was neither hilarious nor ironic, so I didn't bother commenting.

Right. Instead, it was sobering, well-reasoned and made the right look even worse than the left (seeing as how they object to sufficiently regulating the majority of those chemicals and are more likely to be hostile to gays).

I guess you have a pretty partisan idea of hilarity and irony.

Balfegor said...

I guess you have a pretty partisan idea of hilarity and irony.

The lead in to your comment had some spittle-flecked vituperation about conservatives. This is what makes the contraceptives point ironic, and also what makes it amusing. If you had started with spittle-flecked vituperation about liberals, different parts of your comment would have been hilarious and ironic.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you -- you do speak English, right?

Gordon Freece said...

Don't joggle Montana's elbow, Balfegor. He's emoting for his own benefit, not yours.

But don't go away. He's going to sing "MacArthur Park" for an encore.

montana urban legend said...

What does some "lead-in" have to do with anything? What am I? A performance artist? I'm not doing this primarily for attention or entertainment, unlike some, I suppose.

If conservatives are uncomfortable with regulating what chemicals are unleashed into our environment, then how does the existence of oral contraception validate their position? When oral contraception surely can't count for anything other than a slim minority of "400" chemicals found? The majority of those would be consumer or industrial products entirely unrelated to oral contraception. But I guess the way you put it conservatives must only be capable of understanding the idea of counting and arithmetic when you apply those things to the size of their tax cut and nothing else - including their probable (and large, and unwitting - hence ironic) contribution to the "feminization" of the human race.

montana urban legend said...

Idiots like Gordon Fleece who believe that science and the ability to count is a conspiracy against conservatism would make me sad, if only so many other people weren't laughing at them. And him.

MamaM said...

My personal "inability to even continue to read through the rest of the excerpt" presented is directly related to MUL's apparent inability to present an argument or make a comment without resorting to name-calling.

How many times has calling someone a "dumbass" worked to convince them to consider what you have to say worth reading or listening to???

"Keep not thinking, though. Emoting is good enough, right?"

the wv on this one is BABBLE

Michael Hasenstab said...

MUL - Please post the Cliff's Notes version of your excerpted posts for those of us who have short attention spans, and a disinclination to read long comments copied from another source.

Thanks.

montana urban legend said...

Oh! So name calling is babble, but ridiculing someone when you've demonstrated an inability to read what they've quoted is not? What is it then?

I mean, as long as you're going to come out and play lunch lady, enforcing rules of etiquette and politeness, MamaM? Or are you just promoting partisanship? Etiquette as an excuse for fairly thinking through a point lest people have a problem with the conclusion?

Just because I want to make you feel the respect you believe you and everyone else who disagrees with me deserves, let me just convey to you my excitement and anticipation at your answer! I'm sure it will be VERY INTELLIGENT AND THOUGHTFUL!!!

Yeay MamaM!!!

Do you want a cookie, too?

Mmmmmm..... warm cookies!

Treacle said...

I'm with Jason (the Commenter). Neil Patrick Harris is the new gay.

Adam Lambert, by contrast, is basically just America's less gay version of the The Darkness.

montana urban legend said...

Hey Michael!

Sometimes I post short excerpts, sometimes longer (just like Pogo does).

But I think if you haven't got the summary via the call-and-response that Balfegor put me through, then I'm not sure they make a Cliff's Notes for that short an attention span!

The point is that unregulated chemicals are feminizing male vertebrates. Recent studies show that this is happening in human males as well (not from the article I quoted but another). If your attention span is strong enough to get through that AND you still don't think what I say is part of a partisan conspiracy, then let me know, and we can discuss it further. Or I'll just take no response as the beginning of a long road on the way to enlightened agreement.

MamaM said...

babble

Titus said...

Straight women may find him sexy but I do not know any gay man who finds him sexy.

He's borderin on chubby and has a fat ass and not in a good way. Kind of a womenly ass which I love on women but definitely not on men.

I don't know any other gay men that wear nail polish and eyeliner, except perhaps entertainers.

montana urban legend said...

babble

Sorry I neglected to make you feel like you were a sufficiently important part of that discussion.

What is up with conservatives who clearly don't understand something feeling this overwhelming need to make sure that any comment toward them demonstrates a sufficient level of respect for their intelligence before they will consider its merits?

It sounds like a way of advocating the confusion of facts with feelings.

montana urban legend said...

Shorter MamaM:

"Tell me how smart I am before I will even begin to consider your argument on its intellectual merits! Compliment me!"

Sad, really.

montana urban legend said...

I guess some people think civil discourse is more important than reasoned discourse.

I think both are important, but I hold reasoned discourse in much higher esteem, personally.

Of course, everyone's free to hold their own values - and if they think that being nice to someone who is unfair to you is more important than being intelligent, I guess they will reap what they sow.

montana urban legend said...

Another piece of irony:

Someone needing to be told they're intelligent before they will evaluate an argument on its intellectual merits.

That's pretty ironic.

montana urban legend said...

So I guess this means the others are less hostile to the idea of keeping industrial and consumer chemicals with hormone-like properties out of the water supply?

Or do I have to ask really nicely and first compliment you on your personal and collective intelligences, as well as that of your party's platform?

Do I need to compliment Rush Limbaugh too?

Gordon Freece said...

Sorry, Montana. You were getting pretty emotional there, so I pulled your braids for laughs. Now you're even more emotional. I feel really terrible about that.

I understand what you're saying about science: You think you're a scientist because all lefties get to pretend they're all scientific and stuff. Nope. Throwing tantrums on the internet isn't science, Montana. Sorry.

Anyhow, conservatives understand very well what negative externalities are, far better than you. What you can't grasp at all, because you're too emotional, is that everything is a tradeoff. The way you operate is that you fly into a blind hysterical panic over the first thing that scares you, and you run around screaming that it's the only thing in the world that matters — until you bump into another wall, forget that one, and switch over to panicking about something else.

That's the way adolescents operate. It's deeply stupid and irresponsible. There are lots of things in this world to worry about. Your chemicals are not number one on most people's list, and fixing them may cost more than it's worth. I can pretty much guarantee that your proposed fix will be prohibitively expensive, do a lot of unrelated damage, and in the end fail to address the problem you're upset about.

By the way, Balfegor went way over your head. You're a humorless little drone, aren't you?

blake said...

Wait, Adam Lambert is the new "gay"?

Does that make MUL the new LOS?

jayne_cobb said...

Blake,

I thought it made him the new DTL, and DTL the new LOS.

Penny said...

"That's the way it should be. It shouldn't matter what a person's sexual preference is—it doesn't change their appeal."

Exactly! Which is precisely why we have 'good' friends.

Unfortunately for most of us, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie fantasies aside, problems can crop up when someone fantasizes about HAVING sex with someone who does not share the same fantasy.

This is common rocky ground for heterosexuals, homosexuals and bisexuals. Right? If you agree, then perhaps we can agree that this "problem" is simply part of our human existence, and we figure it out, one fantasy at a time, and move on.

Some move on to the next fantasy, some to a new friend, and some to the love of their life.

Always remember, we are here as a species, to survive.

MamaM said...

Montana U.L.

The WV was babble. However, babble is a childish form of communication. So is name calling.

I hear you earnestly claiming a desire to communicate, while repeatedly using words that demean, dismiss and antagonize.

I question sincerity and intent when I encounter that kind of incongruity.

If you really want to make a difference and encourage people to consider your point of view, try ditching the name calling. Otherwise, drop the pretense.

montana urban legend said...

Hey man, if fixing the problem with men's anuses developing closer to their scrotums (a clear sign of feminization) is a problem for conservatives, I guess they should become less emotional about their gay sons requesting their rights and being treated with dignity, like adults. Right?

But I guess that would be too big a trade-off.

Balfegor didn't go over my head. I called out his bullshit on the first go-around. He thought he was pointing out irony, and I pointed out the bigger piece of irony that he missed.

And you, my friend, happened to miss that, as well.

I certainly don't need your approval of my credentials in science, or your idiotic assertion that any esteem in which I hold the institution or my ability or accomplishments in it is both false and somehow premised on my politics. You have no idea who I am. But that is the dumbest characterization I've ever heard. A neanderthal could come up with a better conclusion, frankly.

I can see that you think it's a lost cause to keep estrogens out of the water supply. What I can't understand is why someone who thinks that believes that we should seal off our emotions and pretend they don't exist.

Keep pushing them down, though. Further, and further. Hope you don't go "pop" one day!

The other thought is that emotions are connected to intelligence. Someone who denies them might really be as devoid of emotion as they are of related processes, more traditionally characterized as "cognitive".

And BTW, even an adolescent can be right about something.

blake said...

jayne--

Heh. I wonder if Althouse sells programs.... Can't tell the MULs from the DTLs without a program!

chickenlittle said...

@Montana: You've lost your art of persuasion here, assuming you had it to begin with.

Just trying to help.

lucid said...

Does this have anything to do with the women being treated as witches?

montana urban legend said...

I hear you earnestly claiming a desire to communicate, while repeatedly using words that demean, dismiss and antagonize.

And yet, you never call out others for doing that. Is that because you find them insincere in their purported desire to communicate?

I question sincerity and intent when I encounter that kind of incongruity.

I guess it does, then. Well, okay then.

If you really want to make a difference and encourage people to consider your point of view, try ditching the name calling. Otherwise, drop the pretense.

I'm just trying to go by the rules that seem to apply here. I honestly don't think many people here aren't so entrenched in their views that they would bother considering views that challenge them. If I got a different impression, I'd more quickly try a different approach - assuming that I'm here to satisfy a political impulse, which I'm not. I'm just someone who sees that ridicule is the way that comaraderie and uniformity (which I have more of a problem with) are enforced, and don't find attempts at humor (or even ridicule, to a degree) inherently offensive. I'm just trying to speak the same social language that I observe here.

I guess the rule is that if a conservative says something that doesn't make sense, you have to point it out gently, without the humor that he uses to reinforce his own point of view.

Instead of trying to be fair and applying those same rules, I will accept the hypocrisy that accompanies a conservative's inability to change his mind in the same way that he attempts to change the minds of non-conservatives.

Does that sound more reasonable?

Penny said...

*Adjusts her rabbit ears to hear more about how Adam Lambert was just a pawn in a scheme to ensure...well? SOMETHING!*

Right now he seems to be upstream of spawn, that's for sure. But let's see where this goes.

chickenlittle said...

Hey man, if fixing the problem with men's anuses developing closer to their scrotums (a clear sign of feminization) is a problem for conservatives...

Taint my problem (nor my son's last time I checked-which was when I last wiped his butt over 10 years ago).

montana urban legend said...

Heh.

Penny said...

Chicklet, come on man!

No need to ratchet this discussion up another notch.

Montana Urban Legand? I hear you, and you are right that we all seem to come at our conversations with backpacks we heft to the right or to the left.

Maybe if we all agreed to stay awhile, we could figure out how to make this particular evening's encounter bearable?

DaveO said...

Meanwhile, the gay guys (including me) were drooling over Kris Allen.

Boy-next-door with rock hard abs vs. the waif with the manicure. No contest.

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montana urban legend said...

Bearable? I dunno. I mean, I don't find vociferous argumentation, even if it crosses a line into ridicule or personal comments that unbearable. And yet, it's not like I live for it either. I can go either way. If something's meant in humor and good fun, and that's the spirit of a good, even entertaining fight, I'm game. If it becomes tedious, mean or detracts from the kind of conversation people would like to have, however, that's fine by me too. I can go the other way.

Like I said to Mama.... I'm just trying to figure out the ground rules.

I think Althouse is impelled in large degree by a desire to merge some potentially interesting arguments here and there with entertainment. I can see the point, and how it contributes to the appeal of the blog. I just wish it were clearer when humor and good (hopefully) clean fun is more the point than a good argument.

Like I said, I can get a kick out of either. Just gimme some guidance and whatnot every now and then if there's a certain (intended) tack that's not obvious.

wv: cousness.

Any of you speak Arabic?

daubiere said...

ugh i just clicked on the "lambert grapples with naked lady" link. the naked lady would be fine to look at except she has this nasty doughy carbuncle attached to her in all the pictures...

is this a typical celebrity type photo shoot these days, to have semi clothed, pg13 rated pastiches of porno pictures in mainstream magazines? why don't they just show harshly lit color photos of celebrities fucking and be done with it. but if theyre gonna do that then they need to find better looking celebrities than this lambert toad. blech.

there was an ad at the side of the website:

"Enter for a chance to become a superstar for a day—Details and Adam Lambert will give you the rocker's signature look in a one-on-one photo shoot with the American Idol. "

the rockers signature look? drugstore eyeliner, pommade, a bad complexion and an extra 30 pounds?? thats what the winner gets??

hell id do that if i got to roll around with that woman but i suspect that ill have to roll around with a naked lambert. ick. no thanks, i dont want to have to scrub sebum, cheap eyeliner and pommade stains out of my clothes, let alone contend with the strained back from having that lardass on top of me.

Methadras said...

Isn't it grand to be a homosexual? Living your life in a state of utter vapidity one fag hag at a time. Touching something you can never become and all the while living in sheer tortuous guilt that who you are is up for judgment every Planck second of the day. Yup, being gay sure is fun.

daubiere said...

"Any of you speak Arabic?"

نعم

chickenlittle said...

Not following your drift Penny: I just fail to see MUL's connection between conservatism and a lack of concern over what appears to be a genuine environmental problem.

Besides, how often does one get to use the word "taint" in context? :)

Methadras said...

Jason (the commenter) said...

Adam Lambert is not a new type of sex symbol. You guys are all old, you should all remember the days of glam rock.

Neil Patrick Harris, on the other hand, is something new.


Glam rock was awesome. Besides, what does Doogie Howser represent now? The new gay? What can we call him? The metrosexual gay? Is that redundant? Too chic possibly?

montana urban legend said...

I don't know how to set Arabic fonts into Blogger, but I can make out "na'am" - and probably some other basic words.

I remember in Detroit (ranked last in that other survey of good cities in which to raise kids...) there used to be this commercial where they would constantly refrain, "Na'am. Al Effendi!".

It kind of had a cool ring to it.

daubiere said...

"Yup, being gay sure is fun."

from what ive seen of my gay friends being gay seems a lot more fun than it seems to be you. you sound miserable! lambert is just one gay guy. dont extrapolate anything from that. the media wants you to think of lambert gays because they sell more magazines and tv shows than non-pretentious sissy gays.

Methadras said...

Adam Lambert looks like he's positioning himself to become the next gay Elvis. His star is already burned out and no one cares. At least Elvis is idolized for having done something in his life, what is Lamberts claim to fame going to be? Oh yes, he's different and wears eye makeup. How quaint. Someone needs to tell KISS there is new hombre in town.

Methadras said...

daubiere said...

from what ive seen of my gay friends being gay seems a lot more fun than it seems to be you. you sound miserable! lambert is just one gay guy. dont extrapolate anything from that. the media wants you to think of lambert gays because they sell more magazines and tv shows than non-pretentious sissy gays.


Nice segregation there with the gay friends thing. I just have friends and I really don't care their sexual proclivities and oddly enough they don't either. Nice extrapolation on my alleged misery. I'm having a grand old time. What I extrapolate is that he is nothing more than a piece of human fodder that is using the perception of alternative sexuality as a means use whatever he is promoting. Whether that is himself or something else. The problem is, is that now that homosexuals have had the privilege of getting to use mass media as the front stage (for nearly free, I might add) to promote themselves, nearly slavishly for some higher cause of acceptance, what they've really done is the opposite. Which is created a quiet antipathy and animosity towards that which they sought to normalize.

A 2% - 4% American minority solely based on their self-inflicted identity issues has gotten to use a bully pulpit to make sure we mouth-breathing breeders notice them and who they are. They've basically devolved their whole cultural identity (if you want to call it that) to that of attention whore. I hope it was all worth it.

paul a'barge said...

Hello? They're called Fag Hags.

Methadras said...

montana urban legend said...

I don't know how to set Arabic fonts into Blogger, but I can make out "na'am" - and probably some other basic words.

I remember in Detroit (ranked last in that other survey of good cities in which to raise kids...) there used to be this commercial where they would constantly refrain, "Na'am. Al Effendi!".

It kind of had a cool ring to it.


Yes, my friend? What commercial was that? Detroit is a shit hole by the way. A perfect example of leftism in action.

montana urban legend said...

It was on a station that was more or less public-access.

And do the rest of you guys see what Methadras just did? I know Detroit's a (excuse his language) "shit hole". Why do I need him to point that out and attach some ridiculous partisan stuff to it?

Michigan had Republican governors for years, through the sixties and into the nineties. And big cities almost always have Democrat mayors. What is the point he is trying to make? With nothing more thoughtful than an epithet and a political snipe?

Detroit came into prominence because Henry Ford started the consolidation of a national industry based on promises to workers that ended up being a Taylorist ploy.

The industry went into decline because the pencil-pushing business types came onto the scene forty years ago - pushing efficiency of manufacturing at the expense of quality. True story. How many times can you re-use this metal stamp? 1000? Ok, go for 2000.

They started making junk way before foreign manufacturers poised any significant competition.

By the eighties, the political narrative was about economic nationalism. "Buy American!". What a stupid approach. I saw the stupidity of it even then. But hey - that's the way we dealt with things as a country.

You want to blame it on unions at that point? That's not what conservatives were saying.

And how does this address the fact that the downfall of the industry started with conservative(?) pencil pushers, business types, advocating the manufacture of what was clearly JUNK? Just so's they could save a dime? Foreign manufacturers weren't a problem then. What was their excuse? Because that clearly set into motion the decline of the industry by the time it was.

Do you see why guys like Methadras throw the game off?

Should I not equate his ignorance and lack of any use for fact and an understanding of history in slamming Detroit with his hatred of the left? I mean, he equated the two. Not me.

Like I said, I'm just wondering what the ground rules are.

wv: slymisa

Paco Wové said...

"...being gay sure is fun."

Somebody pee in your evening gruel, there, Meth?

Ralph L said...

Brad Pitt looked like a girl 'til he got some age on him.

Is anyone attracted to emo's?

Annette said...

Urban's input was interesting,nothing more; what's so wrong with that? His later stridency was off-putting. That opened the gate to others ganging up and playing a cool game of cat & mouse with him. Of course,he just dug himself deeper in the hole. He doesn't know the game very well.

In the meantime, Adam Lambert's still hot as hell for a lot of us. Complexions/weight have nothing to do with sex appeal, which differs from person to person. I believe the various pronouncements, all absolutes, about Adam were the silliest remarks made. Adam, for me,
= Yummy. I agree lots rests on his upcoming album. In the meantime, Adam . . . . yummy.

Annette said...
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daubiere said...

"= Yummy. I agree lots rests on his upcoming album. In the meantime, Adam . . . . yummy."

hes still not going to screw you, annette.

montana urban legend said...
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Annette said...

Who cares? Do you think I really expect that? I just like the guy, that's all. A lot. It's not all about looks, either. I guess few on this forum ever had a crush on a star. That's odd.a

montana urban legend said...

I guess I tend to get strident about things that could shrink my penis. I'm funny like that. Annette, not so much.

montana urban legend said...

But hey - she's got a crush on a gay dude. So I guess her disinterest is kind of poetic, in a way.

montana urban legend said...

Of course, girls I date tend to be a bit different than Annette.

How old are you, Annette?

I'm really getting the impression that you might be too young for participating in this conversation - let alone judging it.

bagoh20 said...

Apparently the ancient Greeks had severely polluted water.

montana urban legend said...

If what Annette's posted represents the best and brightest of what the next generation has to offer - we're really screwed. Sorry, Annette - but I need to be honest.

I think we should worry about unregulated chemicals messing with more than just our reproductive systems.

montana urban legend said...

Didn't they say that Rome went down the tubes due to the leaded pipes?

Annette said...

Urban . . . I said your remarks were interesting -- geez! I was one of your defenders (were there any others?) To that other guy, Daubier, bitter guy -- it was to him I said I wasn't into Adam because of sex I expected to get. How silly. I would not waste a fantasy on that. I just LOVE the guy, that's all. I do want to admit I could not follow all that was said in this discourse; it hit some deep waters I could only wade in. But I gained from it. I think. I just wanted to point out that even an amateur intellectual/poster could see the gaming -- and frankly it about ruined the dialog.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Methadras: Isn't it grand to be a homosexual? Living your life in a state of utter vapidity one fag hag at a time.

Dude, I don't even know women like that and they would annoy the heck out of me if I did.

Touching something you can never become

Gay guys tend to touch other guys, can't keep our hands off them. I don't see how we would want to "become" another man, but I guess it could be possible, if poetic.

Do straight guys want to become women when they touch a woman? I really don't get where you are going here.

and all the while living in sheer tortuous guilt that who you are is up for judgment every Planck second of the day.

Well, I do like my house to be neat before I have visitors over, but I'd hardly call that tortuous.

Yup, being gay sure is fun.

I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but maybe you could just say what you are trying to say.

montana urban legend said...

I could be wrong but I think Daubier's not a guy. And gaming is a concern. Not because I want to "game" anything; I want to be honest. And if I can only get an important point across to certain others by making a "game" out of it, I'd rather not feel impelled to make the point.

Maybe that makes me a poor sport. I just think that if an honest concern can only be understood by making a game out of it, then reaching an understanding ceases becoming the point.

montana urban legend said...

Apropos of nothing, here's a cool Weezer video.

wv: fations

Jason (the commenter) said...

montana urban legend: Sorry, Annette - but I need to be honest.

How come people always have to be honest when something rude pops into their heads, but never when it comes to admitting they may have made a mistake?

montana urban legend said...

Are you addressing me or just making a general point?

I think I'm pretty open to admitting when I've made a mistake.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Methadras: I just have friends and I really don't care their sexual proclivities and oddly enough they don't either.

In that case don't ever try setting them up on a date with someone, it could be awkward!

montana urban legend said...

In that case don't ever try setting them up on a date with someone, it could be awkward!

And not only that, but does that really jibe with your experience as a guy? Do you really not know which of your friends are straight - and as a straight guy, most of your friends will probably be straight? Whereas if you're friends with anyone who's gay you likely knew that to begin with?

I mean, most of the guys you're friends with, is their sexual orientation really shrouded in mystery? I really don't know of any guy who would relate to Meth's take on this.

bagoh20 said...

I have the hots for Jodie Foster, so I guess that's analogous. She got hotter with age.

Jason (the commenter) said...

montana urban legend: Are you addressing me or just making a general point?

Honestly, it would have been a Tweet but I couldn't make the sentence short enough.

I think I'm pretty open to admitting when I've made a mistake.

Yes, but on the other hand you say rude things and then claim you "need to be honest".

What are we to make of you? Clearly the bad far outways the good.

Jason (the commenter) said...

bagoh20: I have the hots for Jodie Foster, so I guess that's analogous. She got hotter with age.

Just don't do anything to impress her.

montana urban legend said...

Yes, but on the other hand you say rude things and then claim you "need to be honest".

What do you mean, "on the other hand"? I am honest about both things. When you say "on the other hand" people might get the impression that you are drawing a contrast. I try to be honest about my own shortcomings as well as those of others. What the hell's wrong with that? Why should such consistency be seen as something other than a sign of integrity?

What are we to make of you?

Dude, make whatever you want. Or better yet, give me the opportunity to explain what I mean on something that you don't understand? You don't "make" me, others don't "make" anything "of" me. I just am me. I didn't realize that there was a club with requirements for acceptance or something for me being me and just commenting. If you don't understand your own basis for making judgments, though, what am I to make of that? What am I to make of your own inability to define me - despite an apparent need(?) to do so?

Clearly the bad far outways the good.

Clearly all I did on this thread was (for the most part) comment on the feminization of men as a result of the unwillingness to regulate the chemicals that do so. I did so initially as a point of contrast from the "liberals have feminized society" meme that dominates in conservative circles. No factual dissent was noted, but ideological dissent was. So what? So there you have it.

Clearly I should feel lucky for not needing to break something so detailed down into categories as simplistic as "good" and "bad", though. Should I not?

blake said...

Oh, man, I've had a mad crushes on Judy Garland, Ingrid Bergman, Vivien Leigh, Veronica Lake.

And I agree that Foster's gotten hotter with age.

If anyone thinks it matters, what about Rock Hudson? Women adored him for years thinking he was a ladies' man. When he turned out to be a man's man, did that mean they didn't feel that way?

My head hurts.

wv: facial

Jason (the commenter) said...

montana urban legend (before): I'm really getting the impression that you might be too young for participating in this conversation - let alone judging it.

montana urban legend (now): I didn't realize that there was a club with requirements for acceptance or something for me being me and just commenting.

That was for you Annette!

montana urban legend said...

And this is for you, Jason!

Being too young to understand something doesn't mean that the person is being barred from a club.

Did you have anything better or was that the best you could come up with?
If the latter, what are "we" to make of that?

Hmmmm.....

Annette, big people come up with better arguments than Jason just did. Stick around a while and keep watching how!

montana urban legend said...
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montana urban legend said...

Anyways, it's been fun - as always. G'night, Jason! You've been a doll.

Zachary Paul Sire said...

...living in sheer tortuous guilt that who you are is up for judgment every Planck second of the day. Yup, being gay sure is fun.

Methadras is terrified. The only one who's tortured, and the only one who's guilty, is him. A classic closet case.

If you all haven't learned that from his consistently insane gay bashing here, this is just another example.

Methadras said...

montana urban legend said...

It was on a station that was more or less public-access.

And do the rest of you guys see what Methadras just did? I know Detroit's a (excuse his language) "shit hole". Why do I need him to point that out and attach some ridiculous partisan stuff to it?


Oh yes, see what I did right there? I pointed out a fact about a city that I actually used to live in? You ever live there? If not, unkindly shut the fuck up? If you've ever seen what your poisonous ilk did to Detroit you wouldn't be flapping your gap by becoming The John Madden of Althouse. Detroit used to be a great city. A great city. Leftism has left it a rotten husk. You don't like that truth and I can understand that, but you aren't entitled to wash away facts about a city that has been decimated by the policies that your ideology has brought to bear.

Methadras said...

Jason (the commenter) said...

Yup, being gay sure is fun.

I know you are trying to be sarcastic, but maybe you could just say what you are trying to say.


I snipped the rest because this is really the meat of what I'm trying to get across.

The friends that I have who just happen to be homosexual males may disagree with you. If you've seen the utter dysfunction they've had to endure because of who they are and how they choose to live doesn't make me envy them at all. I love them because they are my dear friends, but I loathe their way of life. It's filled with hurt and grief and almost all of it is needlessly manufactured. I listen to them when they need to vent because that's what I do as a friend, but it frankly from my side of the fence being a homosexual isn't a picnic. Sure, they deal with it, but the price they pay isn't worth the effort. Considering their lowered life spans, their much higher propensities for illicit drug use, their much higher levels of promiscuity, their rampant numbers of STD's, and the levels of depression they endure isn't something to cherish or behold as a solid way of life. It's their life, I let them live it, but they piss me off when I see them go down destructive roads because the lifestyle is geared towards that.

I don't live in the minority homosexual world, I live in the vast majority heterosexual world. However, that being said, I see no value in that minority world. There was a time when homosexuals in this society were indistinguishable from heterosexuals. Oh, they had their secret handshakes and whatnot, but they always kept it to themselves and people for the most part paid no heed. Now that it's flaunted, the unintended consequences are rearing their ugly heads and I don't like what I see at all and it's a shame because as people I love them dearly. Humorous and articulate, well read, and intelligent, indistinguishable from everyone else until that other worlds siren call is heard and it all goes away until the next time.

You don't like what I have to say and frankly I could care less, but I won't hide my disdain for a manufactured cultural lifestyle that has zero regard for the human capital it uses up to keep itself going. I spit on it.

Methadras said...

Zachary Paul Sire said...

Methadras is terrified. The only one who's tortured, and the only one who's guilty, is him. A classic closet case.


Here we go. Hook, line, and sinker. Little man, again I ask you, what are you afraid of? Tell me what I'm terrified of? You? What guilt do I bear, what guilt do I hide and why do you constantly fall on your rote retorts of closet homosexuality against people who don't think very highly of you. I certainly don't and yet you consistently throw out that little practiced canard as if it actually has meaning. You're a stale, tired, little wisp who throws meaningless epithets at that which you have no defense against. You're a malignant little narcissist who finds boogey men waiting to accost his precious little gay sensibilities because of the drama of it all. Woe is you.

If you all haven't learned that from his consistently insane gay bashing here, this is just another example.

Is the violin you play as small as the brain that tries to play it? You're a dope who derives dopey conclusions from a dopey understanding of what is said. Your practices little quips are just the defensive lashing out of a small little personality with a small understanding of the larger world he lives in. Go back to your little gay enclave and surround yourself with your other like minded bigoted dopes who will nod their heads at all of your little utterings as if they actually meant something. Dope.

Jason (the commenter) said...

Methadras, Life is hard for everyone.

blake said...

Jason,

I've heard the argument against homosexuality being a "lifestyle choice" that no one would willingly choose it, given how rough it is.

Life expectancy is drastically shortened for gay men (at least). I was working at Warner Bros in the late '80s and early '90s and it was pretty horrifying.

I mean, not starving Ethiopian kid hard. But brutal nonetheless.

montana urban legend said...

I lived in Detroit and I had something more insightful to say regarding what brought about its decline than MEPHISTOPHELES did, so HE CAN "unkindly shut the fuck up."

But that's what his "poisonous ilk" do, I suppose. Just keep their mouths going without anything to say other than "leftism," "leftism," "leftism". Blah blah blah. It's like he's a broken record. Or has Tourette Syndrome.

Bad quality brought about the decline of the American auto industry. These were "executive" decisions. Had nothing to do with "leftism". But Mephistopheles can think that if it makes his tortured little brain feel better. Just shut the fuck up if you don't have anything more intelligent to say and keep your anxiety attacks to yourself, ok?

wv: pesters. Which is what patients who've escaped from the psychiatric ward like Mephistopheles do to me.

montana urban legend said...

And I think it was channel 62. See? I even remember that. But I hear Mephistopheles on the "leftism". Must be his primitive education that prevents him from grasping the definition of the word "fact".

Wail on, Meph. Wail on. Sooner or later some kind shrink will hear your cries of anguish and have them appropriately treated. We'd hate to let you continue thinking that the big left-wing conspiracy is responsible for your internal pain and suffering. Medication will help and it will take away the hallucinations and voices you hear, too!

montana urban legend said...

I think life would be better for everyone if Mephistopheles stayed in his closet. Or the psych ward. Better for him, better for everyone.

wv: musta.

Mephistopheles musta skipped his meds lately.

Methadras said...

Jason (the commenter) said...

Methadras, Life is hard for everyone.


Jason, your a good guy, but that was just an ignorant thing to say. No it isn't. Life isn't hard on everyone. Sometimes there are things in life you can't control that can make your life a little more difficult, however, within the context of what I've/we've been talking about, a lot of that 'life is hard' portion is self-induced or self-inflicted.

Methadras said...

montana urban legend said...

I lived in Detroit and I had something more insightful to say regarding what brought about its decline than MEPHISTOPHELES did, so HE CAN "unkindly shut the fuck up."


Oh yes, here's a pat on the head and a cookie because you thought you could adorn us with your little quippy factoids about Detroits automobile origin of decline while utterly neglecting the fact that for 60 years of liberalism/leftism in that city has led to it's basic collapse. It's self evident in the total degradation of that once great city.

And you want credit for insight?

Methadras said...

montana urban legend said...

And I think it was channel 62. See? I even remember that. But I hear Mephistopheles on the "leftism". Must be his primitive education that prevents him from grasping the definition of the word "fact".

Wail on, Meph. Wail on. Sooner or later some kind shrink will hear your cries of anguish and have them appropriately treated. We'd hate to let you continue thinking that the big left-wing conspiracy is responsible for your internal pain and suffering. Medication will help and it will take away the hallucinations and voices you hear, too!


It takes you two posts back to back to get you to this point, riffing on the 'primitive education' 'meds' and laughably the 'big left-wing conspiracy'. When people laugh at you does it make you hurt inside? A little bit of that insecurity at always trying to create the impression that more words equates to more intellect? Then the cherry on the top is psychoanalysis?

Yeah, I'm laughing at you. Thanks for the chuckle, chuckles.

John said...

Getting back to the topic of the post, and away from the partisanship which, though entertaining for a while, is quickly boring...

Am I the only one here who suspects that Mr. Lambert is actually not gay at all? Look, think about it for a minute. Here's a guy who isn't really that good looking in the traditional guy sense. He notices that gays get more attention generally from the media, and that some cheap makeup and an affectation or two can transform one into a gay man without the pesky need to prove this orientation by being regularly anally penetrated by other men, or even by kissing another guy (have we actually seen him engage in gay sexual behavior?).

So presto, the straight Idol long shot becomes the gay new hotness. Which is cool, but is actually not the goal. Because Lambert, having tried this ruse a time or two before, knows that some women lurv their well-groomed femmy gay guys. So now he gets to be approached, nuzzled, groped, etc. by these women who would not have acted the same toward hetero Lambert.

And if one (or many) of these women, with whom Lambert has now said he is okay with making out occasionally, "turns" him for one regretful night of unbridled passion, well, there goes one eternally happy and empowered woman and one happy and spent evil genius.

Genius, I say.

sonicfrog said...

Girls never liked me. I guess I wasn't "gay" enough!

Joe said...

Years ago, I worked a large company. One of the secretaries was a guy that looked similar to Adam, but with a fairly effeminate voice and stereotypical mannerisms (though he was never flamboyant), and who just about everyone thought was gay. The woman that company not only adored him, they confided in him like he was "one of the girls."

Then I found out that he was as straight as can be and apparently took more women to bed than any man I've ever personally known. Since then I've wondered how much of his mannerisms and voice were a show and how much were just him--my gut feeling is that he was naturally slightly effeminate, but quickly learned how effective it was bedding women and exaggerated it.

montana urban legend said...

Oh yes, here's a pat on the head and a cookie because you thought you could adorn us with your little quippy factoids about Detroits automobile origin of decline while utterly neglecting the fact that for 60 years of liberalism/leftism in that city has led to it's basic collapse. It's self evident in the total degradation of that once great city.

And you want credit for insight?


Compared to the fat brain turd you offered, yes I do.

Any idiot who assumes that a great city of millions can sustain itself absent the distinct industry or industries which made America famous is not worth taking seriously.

To propose that Detroit could have avoided collapse despite the downfall of the auto industry and the failure to replace it with another industry, is a damn fool.

Even conservatives know this.

There are other dynamics that play into Detroit's decline but of course you are too foolish to consider them. They might detract from your armchair punditry.

montana urban legend said...

It takes you two posts back to back to get you to this point, riffing on the 'primitive education' 'meds' and laughably the 'big left-wing conspiracy'. When people laugh at you does it make you hurt inside? A little bit of that insecurity at always trying to create the impression that more words equates to more intellect? Then the cherry on the top is psychoanalysis?

Yeah, I'm laughing at you. Thanks for the chuckle, chuckles.


The incoherence of this post aside, I'm getting the impression that Mephistopheles grew up without a father. It would explain the recalcitrant homophobia and provide some context for his boasting of having grown up in a "shit hole".

But maybe that's too psychoanalytical for you, Meph.

BTW, did you ever take a psychology course or was learning not "cool" where you grew up? Is that how you internalize going to a high school where kids probably got shot for doing their homework and trying to stay out of trouble?

Don't worry, Mephistopheles. You've found a partner in dysfunctional, head-in-the-sand thinking with today's conservatives.

And as far as laughing and insecurity go, project and deflect away. You're probably revealing more clues about yourself than I think you care to.

Methadras said...

montana urban legend said...

To propose that Detroit could have avoided collapse despite the downfall of the auto industry and the failure to replace it with another industry, is a damn fool.

Even conservatives know this.

There are other dynamics that play into Detroit's decline but of course you are too foolish to consider them. They might detract from your armchair punditry.


I never made such a proposal that Detroit replace it's auto industry with some other one. The point I made in saying that Detroit was a shit hole, and to which you've so uneloquently and vapidly expounded upon utterly needlessly, was because of 60+ years of the ideology you hold so close to your bitch-titted bosom has laid waste to that city with it's policies of governance and policies of labor. You didn't want to have the UAW implicated, well guess what, keyboard monkey, they are one of the reasons that Detroit is in the state that it's in. Between the utter political collusion between the city and the upper echelon UAW thugs, it has taken a city with a standard of living that was at one time one of the best to now one of the worst. Coupled with, again, the liberal/leftist ideology as it stems from the Fed with respect to labor and how it put the major automakers in a box in how they could deal with the unions, and then later on how they could build vehicles, well, you have a large problem on your hands that is self-inflicted. These morons slit their own throats with a handshake and a collective bargaining contract and they didn't see it coming. But now that GM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the fed, I guess you got your wish afterall and Michigan sees even more labor leaving it's confines with over 200k jobs being lost, 20% unemployment, and even more so within the city itself. And you have the idiocy to even ask what possible industry could fill the vacuum and try to attribute it to something I never said much less intimated.

Oh, yes there are other dynamics involved in Detroit's decline all of which lead utterly back to your beloved ideology. Even your delusions are underwhelming. Need a bra with that, honey?

Annette said...

I just heard Adam Lambert's first "single" since Idol. It sucks.