October 9, 2009

"70% of the French don't think he deserves it."

70% of the French...

58 comments:

Peter V. Bella said...

Who cares what the French think? This is how we elected an empty suit as president. Too many American people cared what the French thought. The only thing the French think about is, well, France, cheese, wine, and sex; not necessarily in that order.

madawaskan said...

On y va!

Hoosier Daddy said...

The only thing the French think about is, well, France, cheese, wine, and sex; not necessarily in that order.

Hmmm...I wonder if that would qualify me for citizenship....

MnMark said...

Don't know if someone else already posted this in another thread, but I thought this was the best response yet (read at Instapundit):

“It’s a peace prize, not a peace peace prize.”

Jason (the commenter) said...

70% of 107 French people, or people who knew enough French to understand what the question was about. And they may have voted more than once.

John S said...

For once I am in complete agreement with the French. The Nobel Committee has now successfully made the Peace Prize a joke.

former law student said...

The French? Le Figaro is produced by conservatives, for conservatives. Polling its readers would be as unrepresentative of the country as a whole as a poll of Telegraph readers in the UK, or WSJ readers in the US.

TRO said...

"70% of the French don't think he deserves it."

Only because he hasn't surrendered ENOUGH to suit them.

Dark Eden said...

The FRENCH are now more manly than us. The French are kicking sand in our face! THANKS OBAMA!

Joe said...

About that same number believe Polanski should be extradited. Once again, I think we are seeing a gulf between the elites and the common folk. Obama winning a peace prize for what he might do is exactly the kind of thing that gives the aristocracy warm and fuzzies. (Heaven forbid they actually have to do something.) Thus revolutions are born.

(An important factor in causing the French Revolution and in ensuring its success is that the aristocracy had physically removed itself to Versailles while simultaneously increasing its power. Ironically, our Congress is doing the same thing. They and their sycophants (on both sides of the aisle) have largely sequestered themselves in Washington and have greatly expanded their power. See also Japan.)

Shanna said...

If this last month or so has taught us anything, the actual french people are far more like us than we thought.

former law student said...

To amplify (from wikip): The paper which ran the poll is owned by a military aircraft supplier, Serge Dassault, a conservative businessman and politician best known for running the Dassault Aviation.

Dassault remarked in an interview on the public radio station France Inter,[4] that "newspapers must promulgate healthy ideas", and that "left-wing ideas are not healthy ideas."

Hoosier Daddy said...

Dassault remarked in an interview on the public radio station France Inter,[4] that "newspapers must promulgate healthy ideas", and that "left-wing ideas are not healthy ideas."

Makes sense.

Hoosier Daddy said...

If this last month or so has taught us anything, the actual french people are far more like us than we thought.

Actually the French are a lot alike us and that I think is what fuels our antagonism. We both are filled with our own self-importance, we follow international rules right up to the point where they conflict with our national interests and then we do what we want.

Now I will say that the French do have one up on us in sinking a Greenpeace ship because I don't even think Ronaldus Maximus Reagan would have even done that.

Peter V. Bella said...

"...that "newspapers must promulgate healthy ideas", and that "left-wing ideas are not healthy ideas."

Hey an intelligent Frenchman who gets it. Whoda thunk?

Florida said...

Who gives a fuck what the French pedophiles think?

What's really interesting, and a teaching moment for our nation's next generation, is that Barack Obama himself doesn't think he deserves the Peace Prize. But that won't stop him from accepting it!

Associated Press: "[Obama] said he does not 'view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments,' but rather as a 'call to action, a call for all nations to confront the challenges of the 21st century.'"

And yet, Obama said he would accept the prize he himself says he did not earn.

So, the lesson for the nation's school children is to accept praise even though you didn't earn it. Accept prizes, even though you didn't earn it.

Alex said...

FLS is a good Alinskyite. Instead of dealing with the facts, he goes personal.

Darwin said...

ergo, 70% of france is racist.

PatCA said...

I was in Paris last summer, and they love Americans and live like Americans. The young like SArkozy because he promises a strong France. The only negative comment I heard was from our aging pony-tailed guide, a boomer leftist guy. And he was angry that the Socialist did not beat Sarkozy, not angry at the US.

A commmenter at Figaro is correct: the prize is now "un farce."

Superdad said...

If Obama were really an astute politician he would go to Oslo and ask them to hold the prize. He would give a speech the says: "I am humbled and honored that you have looked at the goals I have set for my administration as worthy, as goals that we as a world must strive for. But WE are not there yet, WE have much work to do. That work will be difficult but WE must remain committed to OUR goals. WE must remain dedicated to the process of achieving a lasting peace. So I ask that you hold this award. Hold it until WE accomplish OUR goals. Hold it until the day that I can come back here and accept it – not as an individual but on behalf of all of US. Thank you.

If he did that he would basically be able to assert his vision as the vision of the world. He would be able to co-opt these people to his agenda. He would be able to speak on behalf of the world and not just the US when he engages other nations. That is what a smart politician would do. Let’s see what he does.

Armed Liberal said...

Jason, it's 107 COMMENTS on the poll, about 29,000 voted in it...

...you've got to pay attention to the details.


Marc

Alex said...

Superdad - Obama's too much of a narcissist to do that. The good news is that this will make his ego so out of control that he'll make a lot more blunders where it counts in domestic policy like health care.

former law student said...

Instead of dealing with the facts, he goes personal.

Huh? A poll of Dittoheads would tell about as much about what Americans think as a poll of Figaro readers would tell me about what the French think.

"Based on a poll of Limbaugh listeners, 95% of Americans plan to vote for John McCain."

reader_iam said...

So, the lesson for the nation's school children is to accept praise even though you didn't earn it. Accept prizes, even though you didn't earn it.

DADvocate said...

70% of france is racist.

As is Lech Walesa.

A putrid bunch, these Europeans.

jayne_cobb said...

Who cares what the French think.

I'm actually glad Obama got it as I haven't stopped laughing since I heard the news.

CarmelaMotto said...

most of the polling in this country (including Chicago) and in the UK seems to be running to 80% thinking he doesn't deserve it.

Now onto the important topics - What will Michelle wear to Oslo?

bearbee said...

Why only 70%?

tim maguire said...

Peter, we care about what the french say when they agree with us. It's only when they disagree with us that we shrug our shoulders and dismiss them, "what do you expect? They're the french."

I'm not criticizing the attitude, in fact, I'm an eager participant. "Jesus! If even the french realize this is wrong..."

Peter V. Bella said...

"So, the lesson for the nation's school children is to accept praise even though you didn't earn it. Accept prizes, even though you didn't earn it."

The real challenge for the 21st century is to eliminate schools. They do nothing but grade children on performance which is humiliating, defeats their self esteem, and forces them to think less of themselves. Some enlightened schools or programs encourage critical thinking which must be outlawed; lest people actually use their minds and realize what is really going on in America- the greatest parlor trick in the world.

ricpic said...

The French still can't get over it that Brigitte Bardot wasn't awarded the Nobel Piece Prize.

Revenant said...

My reaction, upon hearing that Obama won, was to burst out laughing. I feel like I'm living in an Onion article.

John Lynch said...

He's an American. Who would they approve of? Jerry Lewis?

traditionalguy said...

Perhaps the French realize that Obama's sole role is to destroy the USA's power, and they do not want him to take over as Global Ruler as his reward. The French are too proud to serve under that incompetant of a Benedict Arnold figure.

elHombre said...

fls, predictably depicting conservatives as irrelevant wrote:

The French? Le Figaro is produced by conservatives, for conservatives. Polling its readers would be as unrepresentative of the country as a whole as a poll of Telegraph readers in the UK, or WSJ readers in the US.

Does this mean that you and other lefties, if polled, would respond that Obama is a deserving recipient of the prize, fls?

rhhardin said...

30% had no opinion.

Henry said...

Pshaw.

It's not like it's the Nobel Competence Prize

former law student said...

elH: This time I'll try to phrase it so you will understand:

70% of the wingnut French don't think Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.

elHombre said...

Does this mean that you and other lefties, if polled, would respond that Obama is a deserving recipient of the prize, fls?

I don't believe you answered the question. Is there a problem?

Cullen said...

A poll of my colleagues here in Germany ranged from incredulity to heads asploding. Completely unscientific survey of course, as they recently voted uniformly for the Green party.

Person851914 said...

To that you can add 90% of the Spanish:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/elmundo/debate/2009/10/2363/prevotaciones2363.html

miller said...

This is a prize about prizes, not a prize about peace. He won because the NPP committee wanted to give him an award, not because he's done ANYTHING about peace in his first 12 days in office.

former law student said...

To that you can add 90% of the Spanish:

Only 66% of the Spanish ;-)

http://www.elpais.com/encuestas/resultados.html

Is there a problem?

Yeah. I'm not running a poll. But far the conservatives are the ones I hear bitching and moaning about Obama's NPP.

former law student said...

so far

Revenant said...

But far the conservatives are the ones I hear bitching and moaning about Obama's NPP.

Mostly I've just heard conservatives laughing about it.

Slim Jim said...

Oh, this is a perfect statistic!

Because if 70% of the French said he DID deserve it, that would also be red meat for the "Althouse community" that can't stand to see the current President of the United States be honored or succeed in any way.

The gracelessness, pettiness, and all around hatred around here are remarkable.

Tag: really sore losers

William said...

This seems an appropriate place to comment on the last acting American President to win the Nobel Prize and his contribution to world piece. Woodrow Wilson won the prize in 1919. He was the warrior who coined that great phrase, that still thrills the blood of liberals everywhere: "Peace without victory". Now there's a cause worth dying for. Sadly though, at the Paris Peace Convention he was only able to secure victory without peace. Wilson was the grand poobah at that convention. By its end he distinguished himself by getting up the nose of just about everyone he dealt with. He apparently suffered a minor stroke during the negotiations but altered mental status no doubt allowed him to see with greater clarity the beauty of his own ideals. We are still fighting wars as a result of the peace treaty he brokered, but no matter. He was an idealist and his rhetoric was so much loftier than anyone else's.

elHombre said...

elHombre wrote: "Does this mean that you and other lefties, if polled, would respond that Obama is a deserving recipient of the prize, fls?"

I don't believe you answered the question. Is there a problem?

fls evaded: Yeah. I'm not running a poll. But [so] far the conservatives are the ones I hear bitching and moaning about Obama's NPP.

Maybe I should put it simply for you: Are you defending the award of the NPP to Obama, or are you just here to offer up your usual anti-conservative drivel?

elHombre said...

or both?

former law student said...

Are you defending the award of the NPP to Obama,

Not in this thread. Here I'm pointing out a gross mistake in the headline.

or are you just here to offer up your usual anti-conservative drivel?

I'm here to point out that conservatives do not make up the whole of French society.

elHombre said...

Slim Jim wrote: The gracelessness, pettiness, and all around hatred around here are remarkable.

Most of the comments here are intended to be humorous. You lefties just aren't amused when your sacred cows are gored.

So, let's be serious. I say the award of a Nobel Peace Prize to Obama is absurd. Do you say otherwise?

If not, what are you whining about?

elHombre said...

fls wrote: I'm here to point out that conservatives do not make up the whole of French society.

Displaying your usual genius for observing the obvious, I'm sure.

For the third time: Do you think Obama deserved the Nobel Peace Prize?

Is there some reason you are unwilling to answer the question?

Jason (the commenter) said...

Armed Liberal:Jason, it's 107 COMMENTS on the poll, about 29,000 voted in it...

...you've got to pay attention to the details.

My bad.

Revenant said...

I'm here to point out that conservatives do not make up the whole of French society.

And thank you for pointing out that a largely socialist country is not entirely composed of conservatives. There was some danger of the glaringly obvious going un-stated, but you rose to the challenge.

The problem with your remarks is that you are claiming that "voted in a Le Figaro poll" is equivalent to "conservative", which is of course not even slightly true. Yes, Le Figaro is right of center. But it isn't exactly the French version of The National Review. It is more like the French Wall Street Journal. Also, the poll wasn't restricted to regular readers of the paper.

Revenant said...

if 70% of the French said he DID deserve it, that would also be red meat for the "Althouse community"

If 70% of the French thought Obama deserved the reward, we'd be mocking them AND Obama. Because let's face it -- the idea of giving a Peace Prize to a freshman President simultaneously waging wars in three countries is inherently funny.

former law student said...

The problem with your remarks is that you are claiming that "voted in a Le Figaro poll" is equivalent to "conservative", which is of course not even slightly true.

Unfortunately for you, it's 100% true.

Yes, Le Figaro is right of center.

It's as far to the right as dailies get in France.

But it isn't exactly the French version of The National Review.

That's because it's a newspaper. National Review is a magazine.

It is more like the French Wall Street Journal.

Except, y'know, not a financial paper.

Also, the poll wasn't restricted to regular readers of the paper.

Yeah, when they're not reading la Libé, the commies are all hanging out on Le Figaro's website.

Revenant said...

Unfortunately for you, it's 100% true.

I am glad to hear that you have the power to identify the political persuasions of tens of thousands of anonymous French internet voters. The pressing questions is why you're fooling around in a blog comment forum when you could be making millions selling your services to internet content providers.

"Yes, Le Figaro is right of center."

It's as far to the right as dailies get in France.

A country in which the center-right UMP narrowly defeated the far-left Socialist Party in the last Presidential election. So like I said, center right. Or "wingnut", in your "anyone to the right of me is insane" worldview.

That's because it's a newspaper. National Review is a magazine.

They didn't cover metaphors in law school, I take it.

Yeah, when they're not reading la Libé, the commies are all hanging out on Le Figaro's website.

The funny thing being that you claim this is a right-wing blog, yet there is no shortage of leftie nitwits like yourself reading it.

Theo Boehm said...

Of course Le Figaro is right-of-center. But, like the Wall Street Journal, it's a damn good newspaper.

You should also understand that terms such as "right" and "left" in France have somewhat different meanings and connotations than they do in the Anglo-Saxon world. The French, like most Europeans, are heavily socialized, if not necessarily Socialist. But no matter who's in power, the large bureaucracy is not going away, and almost nobody wants it to. It's been a source or stability in France at least since Napoleon, and the French do not regard it in the same way conservative Americans might view Big Government.

We were in France for 3 weeks on business just before the U.S. election last year, and I found absolutely the best coverage and analysis of the U.S. political scene in Le Figaro. In fact, it was of a quality that I haven't seen in American newspapers in many years. It was odd to go 3,000 miles from home to get unbiased and analytically neutral U.S. political coverage in the media.

As you can imagine, a lot of European coverage of American politics (and everything else) is very skewed and odd. Not in the sense of left wing as we understand it, but in the sense of not "getting" this country, its history, or its people, but then proceeding to ignorantly bloviate anyway. I'm afraid a lot of U.S. coverage and perceptions about Europe is the same.

But of all the French papers we were reading, Le Figaro had, in general, the best feel for the U.S. and explained it the best to its readers.

The French I think read more newspapers than Americans now do—it's very obvious on the Métro, compared to New York or Boston— and much as some would like to marginalize Le Figaro, all I can tell you is that it was easily the most common newspaper in people's hands. There was plenty of other reading material, but Le Figaro seemed to be the default newspaper.

But of course we were staying in a friend's apartment in a very middle-class area of the 15th, and you know how those bourgeois pigs are, with their selfish concerns about their little jobs and stuffy families, etc.

Real, intellectual people read Le Monde.