December 16, 2008

"I’ve always loved Camille. Maybe I should have told her."

Dick Cavett deals with Camille Paglia's attack on his attack on Sarah Palin.

Camille said:
... Cavett's piece on Sarah Palin was insufferably supercilious. With dripping disdain, he sniffed at her "frayed syntax, bungled grammar and run-on sentences." He called her "the serial syntax-killer from Wasilla High," "one who seems to have no first language."...

How can it be that so many highly educated Americans have so little historical and cultural consciousness that they identify their own native patois as an eternal mark of intelligence, talent and political aptitude?

In sonorous real life, Cavett's slow, measured, self-interrupting and clause-ridden syntax is 50 years out of date. Guess what: There has been a revolution in English -- registered in the 1950s in the street slang, colloquial locutions and assertive rhythms of both Beat poetry and rock 'n' roll and now spread far and wide on the Web in the standard jazziness of blogspeak. Does Cavett really mean to offer himself as a linguistic gatekeeper for political achievers in this country?
Ha ha. Really. (I say in blogspeak, proving Cavett's a dick.)
I am very sorry that he, and so many other members of the educational elite, cannot take pleasure as I do in the quick, sometimes jagged, but always exuberant way that Palin speaks -- which is closer to street rapping than to the smug bourgeois cadences of the affluent professional class.
Dick says:
Some of what Ms. P. says is so dumb that I assumed, at first, that it was meant to be funny. But I think I’m wrong. It would be strange of her — considering the number of arrows already in her daunting intellectual quiver — to suddenly attempt humor.
That's very old-fashioned humor, you know, Dick. The street rappers of today would never put it like that.

***

I seem to remember Sarah Palin rapping, though. Oh, yeah, here.
When I say Obama, you say Ayers...

153 comments:

SteveR said...

Well Dick should be happy, we got a daunting intellectual quiver full of arrows with Joe Biden.

Rich B said...

Dick is just happy for the attention, any attention before his scheduled trip to the embalmers.

Rich B said...

Actually, he's not as old as I thought he was (Born 1936). He just seems out of date, out of time.

Darcy said...

I'd say he's aptly named.

TosaGuy said...

I honestly thought Dick Cavett was dead.

ballyfager said...

Many years ago Cavett had his own daily show. I wanted to like him because he was funny, low-key and self-effacing. The more I watched I saw that he was just as you describe him.

One day he had Freeman Dyson as a guest. Cavett was spouting a steady stream of politically correct bullshit that he thought would play well with Dyson. To my great satisfaction, Dyson disagreed with everything he said.

Cavett didn't know whether to shit or go blind.

hdhouse said...

Insufferable snob...yea verily. Unfortunately on target. Ah but yes yet again.

The English language may have "changed" a while back but not for all and it isn't for the better.

Less precise is not better. Less is less. Ms. Palin seems to be less on any number of counts.

sonicfrog said...

Dick Cavett is still alive????

siyeh pass said...

There's an art to language, whether it's Cavet's version or Camilla's featured street rapping. That's what's important in the discussion. If there's an art to Palin's style, I haven't heard it yet. So with that, I'd venture on that Camilla's either smitten or slumming.

Tibore said...

"sonicfrog said...
Dick Cavett is still alive????"


Define "alive". He's got a heartbeat, apparently. And he's obviously breathing. But I think it's apparent his brain stopped functioning in the 70's.

knox said...

That Cavett article ranks right up there with Letterman and Katie Couric getting together after the election and kicking Palin one more time, just for good measure.

What in the world is in the hearts of these people, with their need to humiliate Palin over and over again... when their guy already won? Cavett's article offered nothing new. All he did was regurgitate what democrats had been saying about Palin ever since her popularity soared.

And SteveR really nailed it. The media and the democrat's willful ignorance of Joe Biden's sheer idiocy is beyond dishonest.

And yet they still reserve the right to feel superior. I'm starting to think that's the most highly prized value for democrats these days.

EDH said...

How I order things, an analogy.

Barack Obama : Sarah Palin ::

Dick Cavett : Mike Douglas.

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

I will never forget the day she was introduced in Ohio.

I don't agree with her politics but I thought what a breath of fresh air. She seemed so exotic.

I also loved the music that played while she walked out. It was so Wild West New Frontier.

Does anyone know what that music was? It was amazing.

Bissage said...

Dick Cavett is the bad guy here because Sarah Palin has better manners than to LOL at his slender penis.

Paul Zrimsek said...

What can I say, Dick? When you raise your pinky that high, things are going to run into it.

JohnAnnArbor said...

People like Dick who are convinced they have a sophisticated sense of humor are often the most humorless of all.

sammy said...

I misread the headline and (somehow) thought it was Camilla Parker-Bowles saying all that. (I know, I know).

But, man, was it rocking my world. Really. Reread her words with the other Camilla in your head and see!

reader_iam said...

I’ve always loved Camille.

Maybe I should have told her.


MEOW. Hiss.

Theo Boehm said...

Dick Cavett is still alive????

Technically, yes.

He has, however, become an undead Sir Archy, stuck in 1961 instead of 1715.

Ron said...

I had resolved to follow it with a switch-hit, hoping to tap out something as utterly frivolous as a change-up.

Cavett writes like this, insulting both baseball and English, and he complains about Palin?

Theo Boehm said...

sammy, I've thought about that for a few seconds, but I'm not going to do it. I'm not into femdom, if you know what I mean.

sammy said...

what we liked about her is really what we liked about Reagan and secretly liked about Bill Clinton: authenticity.

For all their strengths and considerable weaknesses, we crave the authentic because every one else is so fake.

Authenticity was the secret of "W's" appeal and the lack of it will be "O's" undoing.

reader_iam said...

By the way, I made it to the (latter) part of Cavett's column to which you were referring, Althouse, by sheer will alone. Jeez, that column is godawful, and way before the response-to-Paglia bit. Cavett was a very talented interviewer and so forth, but his print stuff, at least in latter days, is just... painful, never mind the content.

Henry said...

I remember reading the original Dick Cavett piece and finding it, in his words "so dumb that I assumed, at first, that it was meant to be funny."

Dick Cavett starts with the pseudo-intellectual's sin of conflating glibness with intelligence. He supports his foregone conclusions with the timeworn trick of attacking the grammar of minimially punctuated transcripts.

One of Dick Cavett's examples of Palin's poor syntax is this:

"never, ever did I talk about, well, gee, is it a country or a continent, I just don’t know about this issue."

Can you spot the missing punctuation? How about this:

"never, ever did I talk about: 'well, gee, is it a country or a continent, I just don’t know about this issue.'"

Here Palin uses a colloquialism ("talk about" instead of "say") and clearly switches into a sarcastic voice to deliver a joke. It's an expressive, theatrical, way of speaking.

Sure it doesn't transcribe well, but I don't think she was talking to a dictaphone, Dick.

I happily admit that Palin was pretty garbled and nonsensical in some of her interviews, but I refuse to draw conclusions about intelligence based on public speaking ability. Because, unlike Dick Cavett, I'm not an idiot.

sammy said...

aww, Theo, just add that upper-crusty British Queeny, horsey, voice in your head. Really, you won't be sorry.

Hoosier Daddy said...

Joe Biden is a sufficient response to any leftard who question's Palin's intellect.

JohnAnnArbor said...

He has, however, become an undead Sir Archy, stuck in 1961 instead of 1715.

Sir Archy has wit and intelligence, though.

EDH said...

Bissage said...

Dick Cavett is the bad guy here because Sarah Palin has better manners than to LOL at his slender penis.


I suppose during an interview Palin could ask Cavett, "got a pencil, Dick?"

Meade said...

Score, EDH!

JohnAnnArbor said...
"People like Dick who are convinced they have a sophisticated sense of humor are often the most humorless of all."

Does anyone else remember when Dick Cavett had Muhammad Ali on his show and Dick used the word "niggardly?" Ali shot him a look like "You think you are really sophisticated don't you, Yale boy?"

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

I wouldn't mind seeing Palin in a centerfold in Playboy or Hustler.

She is one hot woman.

tim maguire said...

It's a tell, you see. No matter how much education and poseur language a person hides behind, you can tell who's utterly incapable of independent thought, sadly bereft of anything that could be called intelligence, by whether they think Sarah Palin is stupid. Much like the past eight years when you knew you were talking to someone truly deeply stupid if they made a joke about how stupid Bush is.

reader_iam said...

Titus: Have you checked out Trooper York's blog recently?

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

Palin has a great rack and exceptional legs and a pretty face.

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

No I haven't checked out Troopers blog lately? Is there a homage to me?

ricpic said...

Cavett is a member of the "educational elite?"

He is, or was, an entertainer. He made his bones as a comedy writer. Maybe Paglia meant educated rather than educational, but even then she would be stretching it. What Cavett has is an attitude. He deserves the term educational as much as I do...not.

jdeeripper said...

Back in the late '80s and early '90s when Howard Stern was funny he would call Dick Cavett on the phone as a regular guest.

Stern would listen to Cavett's godawful boring stories and then talk over them with his crew without Cavett hearing him.

Then they would hang up on him and call back and say they were accidentally cut off.

"Are you depressed," Stern recently asked guest Dick Cavett, who has made public his battles with manic-depression, "because you have to go around explaining to people why all your shows are failures?" (This was shortly before Stern went to a commercial break by announcing, "When we come back, we'll get Dick to talk about his days as a mental patient.")

"I'm gonna do something that no one else has been able to do," Stern brayed early in his session with Cavett, "which is to make Dick Cavett interesting." And darned if he wasn't right: Cavett withstood Stern's ceaseless gibes with a cheerful, fixed grin and was slowly, surely revealed not as the erudite smoothie he has always asserted, but as a shameless publicity hound, willing to be abused by Stern if it enabled him to spend another 30 minutes of his life in front of a TV camera.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I wouldn't mind seeing Palin in a centerfold in Playboy or Hustler.

She is one hot woman.


Titus, I really wish you would quit straddling the fence. You're hog fetish mixed in with your desire to fondle perkey breasts is all very confusing.

reader_iam said...

Is there a homage to me?

You share similar fantasies, that's all.

OT:
Are straight people allowed to use the word "homage" around gay people? I mean, wouldn't that sort of be like white people using the word "niggardly" around black people? Never thought about it before, but you can't too careful. What do you think, Titus et al?
/OT

Hoosier Daddy said...

Hey if you believe in abortion on demand, confiscatory tax rates, and welfare for all, you can believe in the Tooth Fairy and that moon is made of cheese and you're an intellectual giant in the liberal world.

Michael_H said...

Dick Cavett has spent his adult life being a Mo's Discount Jewelry imitation of William F. Buckley Jr's Harry Winston intellect.

garage mahal said...

Joe Biden is a sufficient response to any leftard who question's Palin's intellect.

Yea she sure kicked his ass in the debate didn't she. *wink*

ricpic said...

Extra! Extra! Palin's hips make Titus' hog go straight!!

Hoosier Daddy said...

Yea she sure kicked his ass in the debate didn't she.

Garage, my 11 year old daughter could kick Biden's ass in a debate.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

I guess I don't get it. What is wrong with the extemporaneous way in which Palin speaks? She uses colloquialisms and run on sentences. So what? Who doesn't.

Well, maybe someone as snarky and snide as Dick Cavett doesn't. He seems to be be very taken with the presumption of his on intelligence, but rarely do normal people speak with precise grammar or syntax. What a snob.

People rarely speak the way that they write. You speak to your audience and you speak to communicate ideas. Transcribing a person's verbal statements never sounds as good on "paper" as it does in the spoken format. Just look at Obama. If we transcribe every uh, um, humana humana and circumlocution in any of his non-scripted speeches....he sounds like an idiot.

My business is very much a sales position. I can use technical terms to describe market movements, stocks and economic concepts that make me look smart...OR....I can communicate with my clients by using common analogies and humor that will not make my clients and prospects feel stupid. Do I want to look real smart like Dick Cavett, or do I want to make the sale and get the relationship with my client?

jdeeripper said...

Dick Cavett sees himself as a liberal Yale version of T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII

Hoosier Daddy said...

She uses colloquialisms and run on sentences. So what? Who doesn't.

Those edumacated big city folk don't. Not like us poor hicks in flyover Jesus Country.

Lem said...

Palin

.. show me what your working with ;)

Meade said...

We do have to admit, don't we, the self-deprecating humor of:

"I’ve always loved Camille.
Maybe I should have told her."


IS funny, isn't it?

I think part of the genius of comedic depressives like the late Rodney Dangerfield (and less so, Dick Cavett) is in their abilities to express their loserness and its universality but at the same time not make their audiences as depressed as they are. I think it requires aiming any and all meanness toward one's self. When Cavett has been able to do that, he's been truly funny.

Justin said...

Hoosier Daddy said...

Those edumacated big city folk don't. Not like us poor hicks in flyover Jesus Country.


That's right. We don't.

Dust Bunny Queen's comment is, I think, revealing on this subject. I agree that it makes good sense to use colloquialisms and common analogies to communicate with common people. Using audience-appropriate language demonstrates adaptability, which is a mark of intelligence. That's why one wouldn't "use technical terms to describe market movements, stocks and economic concepts that make [one] look smart" in a conversation with a layperson on those subjects.

One would, however, "use technical terms to describe market movements, stocks and economic concepts that make [one] look smart" in a conversation with a person who is familiar with those subjects. That's what's key here. It's fine for Sarah Palin to speak the way she does when she's addressing throngs of people in middle America. But when she's sitting around a table with intelligent, articulate, educated people, she needs to be able to elevate her language to their level. She needs to be able to speak precisely, not sloppily. I am convinced that she cannot. And that's my problem with her. She should stay in Alaska, where she's not so thoroughly unimpressive.

TMink said...

"If there's an art to Palin's style, I haven't heard it yet."

That is OK, 50 million people heard it loud and clear.

Trey

Rich B said...

Justin-

Are you a brilliant writer of parody, or what?

chickenlittle said...

She needs to be able to speak precisely, not sloppily.

Accuracy is more important than precision, unless you're a lawyer.

Hoosier Daddy said...

But when she's sitting around a table with intelligent, articulate, educated people, she needs to be able to elevate her language to their level.

Well Justin, I don't think that the likes of Chuckie Gibson and Katie Couric rise to the level of, oh how did you put it, intelligent, articulate, educated people.

Theo Boehm said...
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JohnAnnArbor said...

She should stay in Alaska, where she's not so thoroughly unimpressive.

Are you trying to show how parochial your attitudes are? For comedic effect?

Dust Bunny Queen said...

But when she's sitting around a table with intelligent, articulate, educated people, she needs to be able to elevate her language to their level. She needs to be able to speak precisely, not sloppily. I am convinced that she cannot.

Yes and no. The "tables" that Palin had been sitting around were basically formats for her to reach more of the American public through media interviews.

Personally, I would be very put off by a chameleon act in her speaking one way in one format and in a completely different manner in another. This is one of the main reasons that I am firmly convinced that Obama is a deceptive empty suit and a sock puppet.

In one format, the so called debates, he comes off scholarly, clipped in accent and very pedantic. In other venues, we hear him with a fake folksy, black church accent and cadence....droppin' his 'g's and drawling his way through the speech. (Almost as bad as Hillary) In another, he is a stand up comedian with yet another accent. Which is it? Who is the real Obama??

Justin said...

I don't think that the likes of Chuckie Gibson and Katie Couric rise to the level of, oh how did you put it, intelligent, articulate, educated people.

I don't think they do either. I was referring to a situation where she's confronted with a complex problem, like the current economic situation, and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand it, let alone talk about it in a coherent, productive way. There are already enough idiots in Washington. Let's not add one more. She's not smart enough to be President. Deal with it and move on.

ricpic said...

I can handle things, I'm smart, not like everybody says. Not dumb. I'm smart and I want respect!

JohnAnnArbor said...

Biden's idea of how to handle Iran is to send them a check for $200 million and see what happens. In the same conversation, he called them Arabs.

I'm sorry, who's an idiot, again?

Henry said...

Justin wrote: I was referring to a situation where she's confronted with a complex problem, like the current economic situation, and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand it

If she has the intellectual capacity not to create "it", she would be ahead of the game. But now we're talking less about intellectual capacity and more about moral capacity.

There's a fair amount of research that shows that smart people are often very stupid about things out of their field of expertise.

Media and many politicians people are talented at talking. That makes them experts at nothing.

Justin said...

I'm sorry, who's an idiot, again?

Both Biden and Palin are idiots. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to think that about one of them and not think it about the other.

Roger J. said...

Anyone that thinks the President has much influence on the American economy doesnt know much about the American economy and what influences it in the first place.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I don't think they do either. I was referring to a situation where she's confronted with a complex problem, like the current economic situation, and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand it, let alone talk about it in a coherent, productive way.

I see. Please remind me where Biden articulated his intellectual capacity to deal with the economy.

Oh never mind I remember. His plan was to do what FDR did. Get on television and explain it to the folks.

I will never ceased to amazed at those who think Palin was too dumb to be a VP yet have no problem with Joe Biden in the passenger seat.

john said...

"I've always loved Camille. Maybe I should have told her" (missing completion of quote:) "... that her carelessness and disrespect for me shows her to be quite unworthy of this love."

Ann Althouse said...

Okay, here's a quiz: Who wrote this and who was it about?

"Who imposes this phony, academic-sounding verbal junk on brave and hard-working men and women who don’t need the added burden of trying to talk like effete characters from Victorian novels?"

For your answer, click my "Dick Cavett" tag. It's the next post after this one.

Roger J. said...

And anyone that thinks the Vice President has anything important to do should remember John Nance Gardner's view of the office.

Hoosier Daddy said...

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to think that about one of them and not think it about the other.

Well when Biden get's equal time in terms of coverage of his idiocy then perhaps your comment would hold some weight.

john said...

Hurry, Ann.

knox said...

Victoria, get over here!

knox said...

Both Biden and Palin are idiots. I don't think it makes a lot of sense to think that about one of them and not think it about the other.


Interesting. What does that say about Obama?

JohnAnnArbor said...

And anyone that thinks the Vice President has anything important to do should remember John Nance Gardner's view of the office.

Several have become President. Just sayin'.

Hey said...

People on the right get called "wingers" if we question Barack's positions and the politics of hi friends (i.e. anti-white bigots, unrepentant communist terrorists, biggest crooks in Illinois government history, which is motherfucking saying something).

People on the Left are sophisticated and nuanced for snarking on Palin's accent and using it as prima facie evidence that she rides the short-bus.

I'll never understand that, but then I'll never understand the reverence for history's parade of the worst mass-murderers while calling the Iraq war a crime against humanity. The Left is a disease and a crime against humanity. It needs to be expunged.

Theo Boehm said...

Hey: Surely you exaggerate.

Synova said...

I don't have any trouble understanding Palin because her accent, sentence structure, and patois is what I grew up hearing. (And speaking.) Curious thing is that I honestly believed that I had no accent... couldn't hear it until I moved away from home.

Take away her accent, also, and her speech really isn't any different than anyone else.

How can it be that so many highly educated Americans have so little historical and cultural consciousness that they identify their own native patois as an eternal mark of intelligence, talent and political aptitude?

I suffered the classic northerner's "anyone with a southern accent must be stupid" gut reaction, but I always knew it was irrational.

I got over that.

Henry said...

Althouse wrote: Okay, here's a quiz: Who wrote this and who was it about?

Touche. Like most of our public sophists, Cavett starts first with an attitude, then goes searching for evidence.

His first anti-Palin column was on September 12 when all the facts he had was her convention speech, some Kos Kids research, and part I of her Gibson interview.

He calls her "Judy Garland at The Palace," adding "And yet no one offered her the vice-presidency."

Hello, disdain.

Theo Boehm said...

Synover: You should heah th' way some people twak heah in Bwahston. You know yoah in New England, weah folks are wicked smaat.

Henry said...

I'm a Vodalundah, myself.

siyeh pass said...

Personally, I would be very put off by a chameleon act in her speaking one way in one format and in a completely different manner in another.

She has done the same thing - take a look at her gubernatorial debates - she sounds pretty blandly midwestern. On the stump and in the interview, she dialed up the Fargo. Then back in Anchorage, after election night, she's back to the midwestern.

Folksy, empty suit, opportunist? How 'bout, just politician.

Michael_H said...

"I’ve always loved Camille.
Maybe I should have told her."


I don't think that would change Camille's mind about Dick.

chickenlittle said...

Siyeh pass: Fargo is in the Midwest. I'd appreciate some links to those examples please.

knox said...

Like most of our public sophists, Cavett starts first with an attitude, then goes searching for evidence.

Chomsky mastered the art. If you can call it that.

siyeh pass said...

Seems to me Fargo is more Plains, but point taken. Fargo, as in the movie. Bland midwest, as in Milwaukee. Sorry, but you'll have to look up the clips, yourself. As a native south-Wisconsinite, the tonal variations aren't hard to pick up...

Justin said...

Well when Biden get's equal time in terms of coverage of his idiocy then perhaps your comment would hold some weight.

I completely agree with you that the media let Biden get away with way too much. Especially all of that "world will test Obama" business. They should have put his feet to the fire. You can see enough of Biden and Palin on YouTube, though, to conclude that both of them are blunderbusses.

Interesting. What does that say about Obama?

I'm not sure, and I'd like to hear what others think about this. I've never completely understood why Obama picked Biden. Should we impute Biden's idiocy to Obama? Did we impute Cheney's nefariousness to Bush? I don't think most of us did.

chickenlittle said...

siyeh: Here are two clips, one on the trail (2008), the other at home in Alaska (2006). Please give me a time sequence in the clips where you hear this alleged difference.

As a native south-Wisconsinite, the tonal variations aren't hard to pick up...

As a fellow native south-Wisconsite, I'd say Milwaukee has distinct sound and dialect (I could provide a link), different from the trully flat "Midwestern."

I think Peter Hoh had the Sarah Palin accent thing figured out here.

chickenlittle said...

You can see enough of Biden and Palin on YouTube, though, to conclude that both of them are blunderbusses.

At least they're not under busses.
;)

nathan said...

Authenticity does not a bright person make or a fit candidate. A person not know what the job entails that she is running for is not competent, no matter how she talks or how her ardent defender Paglia defends her.
The snippy remarks about Biden and Dick's age are plain disgusting. We all age, no? Maybe even you, dear reader, sometime...

Theo Boehm said...

Henry    :-)

siyeh pass said...

My only point is that I noticed a difference and the difference didn't bother me.

My reference is the Milwaukee-Madison corridor and it sounds bland to me because I'm used to it.

chickenlittle said...

My only point is that I noticed a difference and the difference didn't bother me.

No flung this out there too:
She has done the same thing - take a look at her gubernatorial debates...

You implicitly equated her speeches with Obama's morphing speeches.

siyeh pass said...

Exactly. It's the theater of it.

chickenlittle said...
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chickenlittle said...

Your theatrics are absurd.

reader_iam said...

Nathan: I assume your "dear reader" is generic, since I don't think I mentioned Biden, or age in connection with either Cavett or Biden, at all in this thread.

Just to clarify ... .

Kirby Olson said...

Dick Cavett is blue state elitism at its most atrocious.

Paglia often surprises me. She has a loyalty to small-town America and its values, and sees something in that world that the blue state elite almost never see, busy as they are giving each other herpes between visits to the shrink.

I have no idea why Cavett thinks he is so superior to Palin.

I suppose everybody wants to feel superior to somebody else, but you're supposed to kind of get over that, or at least hide it, if you can, not trumpet it out in newspapers and TV shows all over the land.

siyeh pass said...

They're wearing a persona it's not that unusual in what they do. I stood back and watch each.

Alex said...

One thing I hate about blog comment sections is that 90% of the posters are busy playing gotcha-games instead of engaging in an open, honest debate.

Alex said...

I'm not sure, and I'd like to hear what others think about this. I've never completely understood why Obama picked Biden. Should we impute Biden's idiocy to Obama? Did we impute Cheney's nefariousness to Bush? I don't think most of us did.

4:09 PM


The fact that you think Dick Cheney is nefarious proves you are a partisan hack.

mccullough said...

Dick Cavett went to Yale. I know because he told me so. Twice.

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

Would we like Palin if she wasn't hot?

I don't think so.

I sure wouldn't.

She would be Virginia Foxx from North Carolina.

But because she is hot I love her and want to see her in Playboy with a big gun between her legs.

That's a waste of hot pussy up there freezing in Alaksa.

That pussy needs to be out, in the sun and loving life.

knox said...

That's a waste of hot pussy up there freezing in Alaksa

She has 4 kids. Doesn't seem to be there's much "waste" going on. I'm sure asked Todd would concur. Dennis Miller once commented that a lot of ire directed toward Palin seemed to stem from her obviously healthy sex life.

chickenlittle said...

She has 4 kids

Trig-truther! :)

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

I meant she needs to be on the world stage.

I think it is great if she has a great sex life. I love that.

there is never enough sex in the world!

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

She still needs to pose in Playboy with a gun between her legs.

Could you imagine how much money she could get for that?

I would be happy with some shots of the bustline in a tight blouse.

The clothes options arent great in Alaska. Too cold. We need to see those tits more.

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

I am not a big fan of her husbands looks. He is nice looking and everything but he is too white for me.

I like my mens exotic and brown.

mariner said...

Justin said:

"It's fine for Sarah Palin to speak the way she does when she's addressing throngs of people in middle America. But when she's sitting around a table with intelligent, articulate, educated people, she needs to be able to elevate her language to their level."

Umm, no.

When there's a camera, the audience is not the other people sitting around the table -- it includes those throngs of people in Middle America. She apparently understands this.

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

I would do the father of the daughters baby though.

He is hot.

bagoh20 said...

"Less precise is not better. Less is less. Ms. Palin seems to be less on any number of counts."

Right: Less snobby, less comfortable lying, Less corrupt, less political hack, less full of crap.

Less is more, more betterer 2 me.

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

I am sorry when she sits around a table she doesn't need to be all intellectual.

She needs to be bubbly, smile, pretend she knows what people are talking about and empathetic.

Also, a couple of buttons unbuttoned can't hurt. Hubba Hubba. Also, if she was wearing a short skirt and there was a beave shot that would be amazing.

EDH said...

That pussy needs to be out, in the sun and loving life.

So, a tanning bed won't do? Now I finally understand that "scandal."

Remember, how creating the "appearance of impropriety" by the press is what passed for incisive coverage. A whole lot of "scrambling" going on, but no where near Chi-town, according to ABC's Rhonda Schwartz.

Tanning Bed to Troopergate: Palin Aides Kept Scrambling, Questions About Tanning Bed in Governor's Mansion -- Sends Aides Scrambling

By RHONDA SCHWARTZ
Sept. 16, 2008—

"It's vetting gone haywire," said Gov. Sarah Palin's beleaguered press secretary, Bill McAllister, as he dealt with a new round of questions about the governor -- this time about a tanning bed installed in the governor's mansion in Juneau.

In the 2½ weeks since Palin was named to the GOP ticket, McAllister's phone has been ringing off the hook from national reporters who have descended on the state to look into the background of the governor.

Monday, US Weekly and a blog, NarcoNews, reported that "the former beauty queen's penchant for a bronzed body" led to the installation of a "private tanning bed" shortly after she took office.

"She paid for it herself," said McAllister from his Anchorage office. He told ABC News he had "no idea" why she had installed the machine but confirmed it was installed in the mansion.

An online search showed tanning beds for sale at a wide range of prices, starting at around $1,000 and going as high as $35,000. McAllister said he did not know what Palin had paid for her tanning bed.

Later in the day, McAllister was dealing with the continued fallout from a Alaska state legislative investigation into what has been called "troopergate."

Justin said...

The fact that you think Dick Cheney is nefarious proves you are a partisan hack.

Nope. Not a partisan hack. I've voted for Republicans and Democrats, and tend to fall right of center on everything except social issues. I'm not really wed to either party. I can look critically at both parties, an ability lacking in many of the commenters that hang out on this blog, liberal and conservative.

Empty statements like yours aren't helpful. It'd be just as easy for me to say that the fact that you don't think Dick Cheney is nefarious proves you are a partisan hack.

Lem said...

In a century of middle-class values, to witch even the queen subscribed, Wilde reaffirms aristocratic virtu, fabricating it out of its accumulated meanings in English literature. The Importance of Being Ernest is a reactionary political poem that makes aristocratic style the supreme embodiment of life as art.

Camille Paglia's Sexual Personae P554.

Is Palin Wilde enough to reaffirm her own style?

EDH said...

Titus said...

I also loved the music that played while she walked out. It was so Wild West New Frontier.

Does anyone know what that music was? It was amazing.


Pathetically 1980s, but was this it?

Titus might especially enjoy the alternating he-she-it tambourin player/dancers.

I like my mens exotic and brown.

I thought the "first dude" was part eskimo?

William said...

Contempt for Sarah Palin is inversely proportional to respect for Susan Sontag.....I don't think someone like Susan Sontag would ever be able to function happily in the world. Her greatest creation was not herself but her ability to deptict her unhappiness as a principled objection to bourgeoise democracy. What drives liberals crazy about Sarah Palin is her happiness. She came from an unpriveliged background in an extreme climate and seems to have made a good life for herself.

Alex said...

William said...

Contempt for Sarah Palin is inversely proportional to respect for Susan Sontag.....I don't think someone like Susan Sontag would ever be able to function happily in the world. Her greatest creation was not herself but her ability to deptict her unhappiness as a principled objection to bourgeoise democracy. What drives liberals crazy about Sarah Palin is her happiness. She came from an unpriveliged background in an extreme climate and seems to have made a good life for herself.

7:01 PM


Which is why she and millions of others like her must be:

* demonized
* destroyed
* marginalized

Lest the other unhappy denizens get the "wrong" idea that it's ok to be happy.

Daniel said...

If respect for the language is old fashioned and out of date, then I guess Bill Buckley's timing was impeccable, as always.

Red River said...

Camille is our intellectual dentist - she pulls the social rotten teeth for us, keeping the zeitgeist mouth healthy and ready to chew. Look ma, no more Cavetties!!

rickl said...

What drives liberals crazy about Sarah Palin is her happiness.

YES! I've said before that I was really struck by her cheerfulness throughout the campaign, even as she was the target of lies, insults, and outright unhinged hatred.

And she confirmed it in the infamous "turkey" interview. (If you listened to what she was saying instead of watching the guy in the background.)

BlogDog said...

He's DicKavity the Grammar Cat!
Somebody call Andrew Lloyd Webber!

fboness said...

The last I saw of Dick Cavett was on his talk show interviewing ABBA. One of ABBA tried to teach him a few words of Swedish. He couldn't do it.

Is there anyone under fifty who knows who this guy is?

Meade said...

Michael_H said...
"I’ve always loved Camille.
Maybe I should have told her."

I don't think that would change Camille's mind about Dick.


HA!

Titusisveryrelaxed said...

Does anyone know what that music was? It was amazing.

"Pathetically 1980s, but was this it?"

No, that wasn't it. There were no vocals, it was all orchestral and was very grand and New Frontierish. It was when she was first announced as his VP. It played when she came out on the stage in Dayton Ohio for the first time with Mccain.

I also liked the music that Obama had after he gave his victory speech and his speech in Denver=it was the same music-it was very dramatic.

I notice the small things in life like that. I look at a tree and examine it's bark and analyze it and make assumptions about that particular tree.

Similar, when a new hog is unveiled to me. The initial presentation and arrival is so important-it can literally be make or break it for me. I examine it like an artist examines his art. I look at the color, lines, shape, head to shaft ratio, veins, etc.

Michael_H said...

Meade - I thought I was whistling in the woods with that comment. Thanks.

Titushasapartytogoto said...

One the hog is inspected, approved and given the green light I precede to take my flash light out and do a thorough physical and review of the scrotum and anus.

The scrotum and anus exam generally takes 10-15 minutes to be fully completed.

Titushasapartytogoto said...

I pick up a feather on the sidewalk. I appreciate that feather. Dream about where it came from. Tickle it under my chin. Perhaps dance with that feather. I may make a very dramatic gay pen out of that feather and write with it with so much gusto. I may tickle my ass with the pen feather if the moment arises. I so appreciate my surroundings.

Titushasapartytogoto said...

You see a skunk but I see one of God's creatures.

I will crouch down and say hello Mister Skunk, how are you today can I offer you a dry red merlot?

I may follow the skunk on his journey for the day. Winding through alleys, garbage dumps and assorted dwellings.

At this point in the journey the skunk and I have become friends.

Sometimes saying goodbye to Mister Skunk is one of the hardest thing I do during the day.

I fear for Mister Skunk's safety. Will someone hurt him? Will he get run over by a cab? What if he can't find his next meal?

Oh Mister Skunk I hope you are alright.

M Jordan said...

Someone should do an analysis on Palin's nonverbal speech skills: her crowd wave, her wrinkled nose, her head nod. She is the real deal, much better than Obama. Biden has good NV's (nonverbals) and it's part of what make him likeable. McCain has the strangest NV grammar of all, he literally stammers with his body.

Palin's is top-notch, as good as it gets. And how important are NV's? Well, 65% of all communication is nonverbal. So that means the things you do with your body, your face, and the tag-ons with vocal expressions are twice as important as the words themselves.

One last thing. I recall the time some heckler interrupted Palin at a speech in Florida (I think). She turned to her left, rebuffed him with a line about her son serving in Iraq so that this a-hole had his right to heckle. It was an impressive, off-the-cuff verbal repartee, but it was her nonverbals that soared. She turned to him, lifted her voice just short of a schoolmarm, nodded her head at the completion, then clapped along with the crowd. If anyone could find this on the net, I'd be much obliged. It was a majestic display of communication skills.

M Jordan said...

Someone should do an analysis on Palin's nonverbal speech skills: her crowd wave, her wrinkled nose, her head nod. She is the real deal, much better than Obama. Biden has good NV's (nonverbals) and it's part of what make him likeable. McCain has the strangest NV grammar of all, he literally stammers with his body.

Palin's is top-notch, as good as it gets. And how important are NV's? Well, 65% of all communication is nonverbal. So that means the things you do with your body, your face, and the tag-ons with vocal expressions are twice as important as the words themselves.

One last thing. I recall the time some heckler interrupted Palin at a speech in Florida (I think). She turned to her left, rebuffed him with a line about her son serving in Iraq so that this a-hole had his right to heckle. It was an impressive, off-the-cuff verbal repartee, but it was her nonverbals that soared. She turned to him, lifted her voice just short of a schoolmarm, nodded her head at the completion, then clapped along with the crowd. If anyone could find this on the net, I'd be much obliged. It was a majestic display of communication skills.

M Jordan said...

Someone should do an analysis on Palin's nonverbal speech skills: her crowd wave, her wrinkled nose, her head nod. She is the real deal, much better than Obama. Biden has good NV's (nonverbals) and it's part of what make him likeable. McCain has the strangest NV grammar of all, he literally stammers with his body.

Palin's is top-notch, as good as it gets. And how important are NV's? Well, 65% of all communication is nonverbal. So that means the things you do with your body, your face, and the tag-ons with vocal expressions are twice as important as the words themselves.

One last thing. I recall the time some heckler interrupted Palin at a speech in Florida (I think). She turned to her left, rebuffed him with a line about her son serving in Iraq so that this a-hole had his right to heckle. It was an impressive, off-the-cuff verbal repartee, but it was her nonverbals that soared. She turned to him, lifted her voice just short of a schoolmarm, nodded her head at the completion, then clapped along with the crowd. If anyone could find this on the net, I'd be much obliged. It was a majestic display of communication skills.

1jpb said...

That heckler, was her supporters asking her to speak louder. It looks like the "NVs" weren't enough for them.

65%?

Maybe 49.999999999999999999999999%.

Titushasapartytogoto said...

Sometimes my chakras get fucked up though and I want to take Mister Skunk and put in him the Lexus of the 25 year old student who's parents paid for his loft in full.

When I see him I want to vomit. He gets a package almost everyday. He is bitchy to me. He is going to Tokyo, Chicago and Paris for the holidays. He went to Oxford. He has nice shoes outside his door. He is cute. When I say hello to him he looks the other way. I want to do something mean to his car or him.

1jpb said...

Although, she had bad favorable/unfavorable numbers.

Maybe her top notch "NVs" count for 37.2459874269307569476949756589519%

Titushasapartytogoto said...

Sometimes I have the urge to push him off his expensive bike.

jeff said...

I wonder what her numbers would have been if she had the media treatment as Obama did. I wonder what Obama's numbers would be if he had the media treatment that Palin did. Wouldn't that be interesting.

Kenneth said...

Same old story, attack the messenger but never argue the merits of the message.

reader_iam said...

Jeez, folks, keep up with the meta: At 8:30, we had "Titusisveryrelaxed." At 8:35, we had "Titushasapartytogoto."

Ya gotta step lively here at Althouse's, and I'm not sayin' that's enough or sufficient: It's for starters.

N'est-ce pas?

John Stodder said...

What in the world is in the hearts of these people, with their need to humiliate Palin over and over again

Even if one agreed with those who found her unqualified, it's hard to fathom why she's gotten so far under their skin that, week after the election, the showy expressions of disdain and contempt continue.

Although I can't quite believe this is true, could it be that intellectuals of Cavett's type are so insecure that they have to lord their IQ's, college degrees, SAT scores and other evidence of mental superiority over others? Forty years after graduation?

Maybe that's why I like Paglia so much. She is smart, learned and confident, so she can afford to be generous and curious. (Althouse, too.) Cavett's attack on Palin demonstrates his fearfulness.

I view Palin as having above-average intelligence, but not learned. The good news, someone like Palin can learn more. Cavett, highly educated but with average intelligence, has hit his ceiling.

reader_iam said...

Although I can't quite believe this is true, could it be that intellectuals of Cavett's type are so insecure that they have to lord their IQ's, college degrees, SAT scores and other evidence of mental superiority over others?

Yes.

Muggins said...

My introduction to Paglia was on the Dick Cavette show. She was a breath of fresh air. He wasn't. As far as the style of candidates go, I'm interested in content, not style. I side with Camille Paglia on this issue. I challenge pundits and commentators to analyze Sarah Palin on issues rather than style. It's more interesting that way, really it is.

reader_iam said...

For Cavett, Palin is a specimen: a bug that's supposed to be pinned (dead) on a display board, lectures to follow.

For Paglia, with (because of?) all her quirks, Palin is part of the board itself, as is Cavett.

What follows from that? And what bugs?

Joan said...

My first exposure to Palin, just before she was announced as the GOP VP candidate, was her interview with Maria Bartiromo about Alaska's energy policy. I found Palin to be thoughtful and articulate. Those who say she can't discuss complex topics with intelligence have most likely not seen this particular interview, in which both women were interested in the topic, not upstaging each other or being snide.

Ken said...

Cavett was boring at his peak and that was when the baby-boomers were in high school.

Juba Doobai! said...

Justin, you're a supercilious oaf. You wrote: "I was referring to a situation where she's confronted with a complex problem, like the current economic situation, and doesn't have the intellectual capacity to understand it, let alone talk about it in a coherent, productive way.... She's not smart enough to be President."

What "complex problem" has Obama ever solved? His ideas for dealing with the economy are rooted in a failed philosophy. Does he have the intellectual heft to realize it and innovate? I doubt it.

Sarah Palin has solved a complex issue that Alaska's governors for the past few decades have been unable to make any headway with. Consequently, we are having a trans-Canada gas pipeline. Moreover, when Russia's Gazprom made moves to bring Alaska under its umbrella, in some sort of Russian-Iran cartel, Palin headed them off. Consequently, we in the lower-49 will have cause to thank Palin's complex problem solving skills and her foresight when Russia and Iran begin to screw with the gas market.

The irony of your Palin comments, Justin, is that you are basing your assessment of Palin on two interviews with two morons rather than on her actual record—which the media made sure nobody found out about.

You likely have never heard Palin in an interview with someone who wasn't trying to screw her over and play gotcha "journalism." Such interviews are out there, and everyone who has seen them know that, of the four in the race, Palin was the best person for the POTUS. She's bright, creative, tireless, and has her head on straight.

Thanks to people like you, we have an empty suit who sounds intellectual but can't do jack to save his life. Heaven help us from intellectual giants like that.

Urthona said...

Palin is charming, adaptable and intelligent. As such, a threat to the assumptions of those who think Caroline should take over Hillary's seat.

Darcy said...

Bless you, Juba Doobai.

Rich said...

Dick...Dick...Dick...

The Deacon said...

Ok, I get it. The average poster here hates liberals and is glad somebody that talks shitty finally got a chance, but please tell why you want this person in charge of things she can't even talk about? All I hear is whining about how much y'all hate liberals and smart people. Any substance to your Palin lovefest?? No?
You guys do realize that since John McCain isn't red enough for half the republican party, and there was such a split in the Dems between Obama/Clinton, that the political handlers decided a red meat chick from way up north was the only strategic way to swing enough votes to win. You do understand her selection was nothing more than a political strategy, right? Is it still too soon to admit it? Will they revoke your red state card if you come clean?
Sarah Palin is just like the people where I come from, that's why I moved away from there. I want leaders who are smarter and more capable than I am, not feel good homages to the commoner while the boys in the backrooms divide up the country among the "real Americans" as the country goes to shit.

The Deacon said...

Here's an example

S said...

I made a point, when young, to pick up the TV / California accent so as to best get by / get the least grief... but everyone (Dick and I included) has an accent.

I'm sure to someone in the UK Dick's accent sounds provincial... Personally, I find his slow speech grating and hard to listen too. I don't always like what Palin says, but I don't find her mode of speech as irritating as his...

mccullough said...

The Deacon:

You love Sarah Palin. So does Obama.

W.'s screwups begat Obama. Obama's screwups will beget Palin.

Darcy said...

I suggest you read Juba Doobai's posts, Deacon. You might learn something other than the garbage the MSM and liberals who don't bother to think for themselves have "learned" about Sarah Palin.

chickenlittle said...

The Deacon linked: Here's an example

Alternatively, perhaps we're just more honest and thorough (#1 again!) in our counting.

ritcey said...

Add me to the list of people who thought Dick Cavett was dead.

zefal said...

I wonder what Dick Cavett's opinion about John Kerry's speaking style was back when Kerry was on his show in the early seventies.

Dick Cavett Show