October 9, 2008

It's getting ugly, but is it getting racial?

The new McCain ad hits Obama hard on the Ayers connection.



That's unpleasant for Obama supporters, but is it unfair? Is it racist? From the SF Chronicle:
While Obama's campaign has fended off racially rooted attacks since its inception, analysts say the ones surfacing in the past few days have been more overt, arriving as many undecided voters are making their final decision. They are part of a recent stream of attacks on his background, including his religion and his connections to a former '60s radical.

"It is the Willie Hortonization of Obama," said University of San Francisco associate professor of political science James Taylor....

Instead of using a grainy photo of a grizzled convict [like the Willie Horton ad used against Dukakis], the current attacks, analysts say, are embedded in "coded" language. They cite as examples Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin portraying Obama as a cultural outsider and friend to terrorists and the dismissive way his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain, referred to Obama at their Tuesday night debate as "that one."...

Regardless, some attending McCain-Palin rallies are responding to this kind of incitement. The Secret Service is investigating press reports that someone might have said "kill him" after Palin tried to connect Obama to former Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers. Some attending McCain's rally Wednesday in Pennsylvania interrupted him with shouts of "socialist," "terrorist" and "liar."

Earlier this week, Palin told a group of donors in Colorado that "this is not a man who sees America like you and I see America." Obama, Palin said, "is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," a reference to Obama's connection with Ayers... Conservative talk radio show host Rush Limbaugh echoed this attack by referring to Obama's "mentorship" by Ayers....
Why is it racial to stir up doubt about whether Obama is a mainstream Democrat? Most of the argument seems to be that because he is black, any doubts about him have a synergistic effect with any racism that happens to be out there.

By the way, there is a new Gallup poll in which the vast majority of voters say race has no effect on their decisions. Yes, of course, people often won't admit it or don't realize it. But the few who do say it will affect them report positive and negative effects that are close to balanced, and yet the positive effect in favor of Obama seems to have the edge. That said, the unadmitted effects are probably much more likely to be negatives against Obama.

Pushing back, we've got James Carville trying to guilt-trip or scare white people into voting for Obama:
Now let me be clear here, if Obama goes in this race with a 5- point lead and losing this election, the consequences are -- bull, man. I mean I don't think that's going to happen, but I think David it's a point to bring up.

But you stop and contemplate this country if Obama goes in and he has a consistent five point lead and loses the election, it would be very, very, very dramatic out there.
Some -- e.g., Rush Limbaugh -- think Carville was envisioning riots. Limbaugh observes:
Now, I want you to imagine if, say, I said something like this or some other conservative anywhere, said, "Yeah, if Obama, if he loses, you know, there's going to be riots out there. The blacks are going to riot." This is what James Carville said. You tell me where the racism is in this country. It is on the left. Here's Carville trying to scare America. He's doing two things. He didn't accidentally come up with that 5% figure. These guys are worried to death about the Wilder Effect. They are worried about the Bradley Effect, meaning they are worried that people are lying to the pollsters, saying they will vote for Obama.

But because they are really racists and don't want to admit that to a pollster, that they get to the voting booth in private, will vote for the white guy, Yosemite Sam instead of The Messiah. So that selection of five points, that's key. I've told you if Obama is not up by ten or so, it's going to be a much closer race than everybody thinks. But for James Carville to suggest that the political immaturity of the majority of the black population of this country is such that they will take to the streets and riot, I hope all of you African-Americans listening to this program understand how that means the Democrat Party sees you.

In fact, I might go so far as to say -- not about Carville, I don't know -- but there might be some of the Democrats that wouldn't mind seeing some riots if Obama loses. Nevertheless that's what they think of you. You are going to take to the streets, going to be Rodney King and South Central Los Angeles all over the country. So there's a fright factor here. There is a bigotry factor here, and of course there is racism on parade all over the place. And once again the racism originates and comes from the Democrat Party.

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Hoosier Daddy said...

Well considering that liberals like Bill Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro were called racists by Obama backers, clearly anything short of genuflection before him would be construed as racist.

peter hoh said...

In which I channel Limbaugh:

In fact, I might go so far as to say -- not about Limbaugh, I don't know -- but there might be some of the Republicans that wouldn't mind seeing (use your imagination) if Obama wins. Nevertheless that's what they think of you.

MadisonMan said...

Thank goodness we can rest assured that if Obama wins, the Republicans will calmly accept it and work to better the Nation.

As some columnists have noted -- can tying Ayers to Obama work when all anyone is focused on right now -- should be focused on right now -- are financial matters? Is the Ayers attack further evidence that the McCain campaign is out of touch? Why focus on something other than the economy right now?

On the other hand, if his plan remains to buy up old mortgages, maybe this is his best course of action.

MadisonMan said...

not old mortgages, but bad ones.

Oh, was that ageist of me to conflate old and bad?

peter hoh said...

By the way, I don't think "that one" was coded racism, and I don't think the Ayers ad crosses that line, either.

It has to be possible to be critical of Obama without being racist. Obama supporters need to choose their battles carefully.

Paul Zrimsek said...

"Analysts say" is what you fall back on when you can't get a quote from Greg Packer.

Larry J said...

Last time I looked, Ayers and his wife are white. What Obama and his toadies in the Press are trying to do is claim any criticism of Obama is racism. Screw that crap. I refuse to play that game.

miller said...

It not possible to criticize Bambi without being racists.

That's just the facts. If you don't like the facts, too bad.

Pointing out that Bambi is all talk and no action is racist.

ElcubanitoKC said...

peter hoh said...
By the way, I don't think "that one" was coded racism, and I don't think the Ayers ad crosses that line, either.

It has to be possible to be critical of Obama without being racist. Obama supporters need to choose their battles carefully.

12:18 PM


It has been a problem for me since the begining. I saw it coming, the fact that you can't criticize him without being called a racist. I am sure most others saw it coming as well.

Windbag said...

Questions like this are why black Americans cannot move beyond racism. Any criticism of a black, and the racism flag is raised. Get a clue, when Louisiana votes an Indian-American in a Governor, racism is a moot point. Harping on this point shows the lack for any evidence to refute the substance of the charge.

John said...

What a mess an Obama Presidency would be. After his Presidency crashes into a pile of corruption, lefty wishful thinking and incompetance, the line will be that he never had a chance, that some people in this country couldn't accept that a black man was President. What is worse is that the media has been so asleep at the switch in vetting him. If he is President they won't be able to ignore and cover up all the sleaze that went on in Chicago. Then it will be the 1990s all over again only with race thrown in for good measure. Won't that be fun?

Original George said...

If you think riots are scary, consider the flip side of that coin.

What do you think people at the FBI, the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, and in the armed forces think of a man who had a multi-year self-serving relationship with a communist terrorist and has dissembled about it?

How many senior people in those entities would Obama have to fire before he could be sure of the loyalty of those organizations? Very strange questions. May has more than seven days.

Rich B said...

Ann-

It's not getting ugly - it's getting truthful.

The vetting that Obama supposedly has gotten? It's a fantasy. The fantasy is coming into contact with reality, finally.

EnigmatiCore said...

It is racist to point out who his white friends are?

Revenant said...

While Obama's campaign has fended off racially rooted attacks since its inception

I love that the Chronicle just throws that claim in there without bothering to support it. What are the "racially rooted" attacks Obama has fended off, exactly?

CarmelaMotto said...

I am so tired of the racist name calling in this election.

I think that is what will backfire as much as the Ayers thing (although I see nothing wrong with exposing that relationship - and the fruits of that far left educational grants).

The One is not racist; That One is....

I don't care for Rush (his style), but he's right. Saying, vote for Obama or there will be riots IS racist.

mcg said...

Lt. Col. Allen West Tires of Black Plantation Owners

Rich B said...

Oh-

Since someone brought up Rush, he's been comparing McCain to Yosemite Sam when the dynamite fails to explode.

I like that image for the Senator - but he's got to get the dynamite to go off.

John said...

"What do you think people at the FBI, the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, and in the armed forces think of a man who had a multi-year self-serving relationship with a communist terrorist and has dissembled about it?"

You are assuming that those people pay attention to any President. Obama is a lightweight with no experience. Those organizations will just ignore him and go merely about doing whatever they like.

Expat(ish) said...

MadisonMan - I have been saying that no matter which candidate gets elected (both are crappy, IMHO) I am gonna stay Pollyanna positive as much as possible. (Reread that book, if you get the chance, it's not what you think!)

So I'm gonnna listen to either of those d*mn fools spend money on some fake crisis (*cough* global worming *cough*) and just say: I hope it works.

Except in private, where I reserve the right to rant and yell at National Communist Radio. Like usual. :-)

As for Carvelle, well, I suspect rioting, if it happens, will only happen in cities where the majority of citizens have been disarmed. Thus SFO will see rioting, not so much in Atlanta.

-XC

miller said...

If you vote FOR Bambi, you are thinking and compassionate. You are not voting FOR him because he's black -- in fact, you find that an interesting detail (it's hip and cool!).

If you vote AGAINST Bambi, the ONLY reason is because you're racist.

America, are you going to leave your racist past behind?

Then your ONLY option is to vote FOR Bambi.

I wonder, though - will we say Putin and Chavez and Dinner Jacket and Osama are racist when they fail to bow down to The One? Or we see that they are merely pursuing their own agendas?

bleeper said...

I have met and worked with many people in the DoD. Some will follow orders. Some will ignore the PoTUS. You cannot generalize about them. Many are democrats and lifer government employees. They will do what they must to get to their retirement. RiP as they say - retired in place.

And, if we are all racists for not liking Our Beloved Leader, then should we just let the n-bombs fly? I say no, as I have better manners than that. But others may decide they like the stereotype and become the crude people that others assume they are.

I just lock and load, baby...

garage mahal said...

"What do you think people at the FBI, the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, and in the armed forces think of a man who had a multi-year self-serving relationship with a communist terrorist and has dissembled about it?"

Well we know troops deployed abroad are contributing to Obama 6-1 to McCain. So I'd say they're not too concerned.

MadisonMan said...

I actually read Pollyanna for the first time earlier this year...My Mom got it for my daughter (Did my daughter read it? I don't know). Before reading the book, I didn't realize it existed, and I agree, the meaning of pollyanna strays from the behavior of Pollyanna in the book.

And what revenant said at 12:39. What are these racist attacks that have been fended off -- and why were they racist?

Darcy said...

Well we know troops deployed abroad are contributing to Obama 6-1 to McCain. So I'd say they're not too concerned.

We "know" this? How do we know this? I'm sincerely asking...have not seen the evidence of this.

goesh said...

racial/facial - what crap, question his ability or his past and one automatically becomes a cross burning kkk member for doing so

LarsPorsena said...

MM:
"...As some columnists have noted -- can tying Ayers to Obama work when all anyone is focused on right now -- should be focused on right now -- are financial matters? Is the Ayers attack further evidence that the McCain campaign is out of touch? Why focus on something other than the economy right now?.."

Yep,focus on BO's cozy relationshiip with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, ACORN, Archer Daniels, foreign campaign contributions,...lots of fertiel fields to plow

Harwood said...

It's getting ugly, but is it getting racial?
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There's nothing remotely racist about the McCain ad. I can't even see grounds for saying the ad is "getting ugly."

miller said...

Darcy,

Questioning a liberal is RACIST.

Stop it!

It is a fact, that troops overseas are contributing 6:1 to Bambi.

To deny this is akin to stating you are the Grand Kleegle of the KKK.

chuck b. said...

It's 11 o'clock! Time for welfare recipients to get up!

Darcy said...

LOL, Miller.

rhhardin said...

Dorothy Rabinowitz distills Ayers down to the point in today's WSJ.

It is impossible to imagine those words coming from Mr. McCain. Mr. Obama has uttered them repeatedly one way or another and no wonder. They are in his bones, this impossible-to-conceal belief that we've lost face among the nations of the world -- presumably our moral superiors. He is here to reform the fallen America and make us worthy again of respect. It is not in him, this thoughtful, civilized academic, to grasp the identification with country that Mr. McCain has in his bones -- his knowledge that we are far from perfect, but not ready, never ready, to take up the vision of us advanced by our enemies. That identification, the understanding of its importance and of the dangers in its absence -- is the magnet that has above all else drawn voters to Mr. McCain.

Sen. Obama is not responsible for the political culture, but he is in good part its product. Which is perhaps how it happened that in his 20 years in the church of Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- passionate proponent of the view of America as the world's leading agent of evil and injustice -- he found nothing strange or alienating. To the contrary, when Rev. Wright's screeds began rolling out on televisions all over the country, Mr. Obama's first response was to mount a militant defense and charge that Rev. Wright had been taken out of context, "cut into snippets." This he continued to do until it became untenable. Then came the subject-changing speech on race. Such defining moments tell more than all the talk of Sen. Obama's association with the bomb-planting humanist, William Ayers.

Chip Ahoy said...

Democrats put forward a woman and dared the general electorate not to vote for her, or risk being labeled misogynist.

Democrats put forward an American of some African descent and dared the general electorate not to vote for him, or risk being labeled racist.

These statements are proof the general electorate is being dared. And that is so so so incredibly stupid -- to dare Americans not to do something. That's just asking for it. And these guys are experts? Fine. I'll take the dare.

Look, A is A and B is B. This A=B stuff works in mathematics and works in rhetoric, but fails in logic. Hortonization is Hortonization and Swiftboating is Swiftboating. Pointing out Obama's political family is describing who he is to an electorate that knows little to nothing about the man. Calling that description Hortonization is a way of dismissing a valid description. More language manipulation for which the Left is becoming famed, and incrementally less attractive.

Squirm, Bitches.

knox said...

If there's one way for Obama supporters to alienate white undecideds, this is it.

Triangle Man said...

Rich said...

Since someone brought up Rush, he's been comparing McCain to Yosemite Sam when the dynamite fails to explode.

I like that image for the Senator - but he's got to get the dynamite to go off.


Are you sure about that? Sam usually ends up blowing himself up when it finally goes.

Maybe McCain gained some supportes from it, but I was incredibly put off by his recent Marxist populist rhetoric. That's not a page conservatives need to be taking from the liberal playbook. I don't like culture war politics in general, but it's worse when played from the wrong side of the field. He's running to the wrong goal line.

William said...

They say home is the place where, when you go there, they have to take you in. As a corollary, I would say that home is the place where, when you are wounded, you wish to go there to heal. There is that kind of attachment to America with McCain. Maimed and beaten, he yearned to return to America. And America to some extent has mended his wounds. It is impossible to visualize him as anything but an American....In Obama, I do not see that kind of attachment with America. Both of Obama's parents were exiles. He has inherited something of their silence and cunning. When he wished to recover from the shocks and dislocations of his youth, he went to Kenya in search of a healing potion. I sense in Obama a certain distrust of America and its values. America is a country that needs to be healed, not a place where you go to be healed... It can be fairly argued that alienation is as American as apple pie. and certainly that is a core value of the Mandarinate. Nonetheless, I would prefer a President whose deep tendon reflexes are pro American and not a reflective, ironic distance.

MadisonMan said...

describing who he is to an electorate that knows little to nothing about the man.

The problem with this statement is that many Americans think they do know who he is as a result of >1 year of campaigning.

Freeman Hunt said...

What I have learned from this election: Saying that a somewhat non-white person has any questionable friends of any race is racist. You learn something new everyday.

jdeeripper said...

Larry J said...Last time I looked, Ayers and his wife are white.

Wiggers?

A young Bill Ayers wannabee .

CarmelaMotto said...I am so tired of the racist name calling in this election. I think that is what will backfire

That's what happened in 1988 when the White liberals tried to turn the black racist rapist murderer Willie Horton into a civil rights pioneer.

Almost nobody saw that ad. It was the crazed reaction by the Democrats and the media that brought attention to Dukakis' furlough policy and Willie Horton's atrocities.

To this day the White liberal left thinks the Willie Horton ad was worse than the reality of what he did and Dukakis' responsibility for it.

The Democrat overreaction to all this is to the Republican's advantage.

The Republicans need to press the attack. The Democrats are in borderline meltdown mode.

Sy said...

I get it now. When Democrats have no legitimate response to a truthful assertion, they called it a racist attack.

HOW THE HELL IS IT RACIST IF YOU BRING UP AYERS??

Chip Ahoy said...

Just now watched the ad. Finally! Devastating. I hope they run that in Colorado. Now, if only people are paying attention, and that's not certain.

Triangle Man said...

The most recent gallup poll on race says that it is probably a wash for Obama, or gives him a slight advantage. Something like 6% of respondents said race would make them less likely to vote for him, and 9% said more likely. Assuming Obama operatives pay attention to the polls, are they trying to increase that 9% number or decrease the 6% number?

miller said...

It is racist to bring up Ayers because (as the Democrat Party continually bring up) Bambi is black.

And so, to criticize anything he's done/said/joined/gone with is to criticize a black man.

And any criticism of a black man is ALWAYS because he is black and not for any other reason.

Wright calls for God to damn America? RACIST OF YOU TO BRING IT UP!

His adviser says he's lying about NAFTA? RACISTS ALL OF YOU!

He won't meet with Fox but is anxious to meet with Dinner Jacket? YOU ARE ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, YOU RACIST.

Really, the headlines write themselves.

ron st.amant said...

It isn't racist, it's just completely a misleading ad, and it IS of course intended to scare people.
For me the strangest part is Palin thumping the New York Times to back up her smear, but if she bothered to read the article she'd realize that it largely disproves the sort of ties she's claiming.
It's a sad, desperate attempt to turn the election and it won't work and it will unfortunately be McCain's legacy- a disgusting campaign from a once noble figure.

miller said...

Yep, completely misleading.

Ayers and Bambi never worked together. Never met. His campaign started with Ayers? No such thing happened, and if it did, it happened when Bambi was 9 years old in Hawaii.

rhhardin said...

It's racist considered broadly.

There's an internal equation, A=A,``Racist is racist.''

It's not a tautology. It means that racist considered broadly deserves the same ignomy as racist considered narrowly.

Which, I'd guess, is simply false. Racist considered broadly here would be any aspersion at all directed at a black.

Doyle said...

If there's one way for Obama supporters to alienate white undecideds, this is it.

Undecideds at this point are the kind of trailer park folks who are too racist to vote for Obama but too poor not to.

SteveR said...

I am less concerned about his relationship with Ayers than they way he has handled it. The whole "he did some despicable things 40 years when I was eight but I've only known him as a respected college professor" story doesn't demonstrate the kind of judgement I'd want in a POTUS.

And that doesn't take into consideration the considerable doubt about whether he's been truthful about the timing of his relationship.

James Taylor should go back to doing concerts to raise money for PBS.

John said...

The NYTimes ad doesn't disprove anything. It was a complete whitewash. All it said was "well no one thinks Barry wants to start planting bombs." Yeah no kidding. The issue why is it that he felt the need to be so close with such loathsome people. Even the NYT article admits BO has been lying about his association with Ayers and Dorn. The other issue is why Obama can't come out and admit that Ayers and Dorn are horrible people and he should have never been associated with them. If he did that, the issue would die.

Instead, he constantly obfuscates. First, Ayers was just "a guy in the neighborhood". Yeah, who happened to be a former terrorist? Why is it so hard for Obama to admit that it was a mistake to be associated with Ayers and Dorn? Could it be that he doesn't consider it a mistake and considers Dorn and Ayers to be perfectly respectable people despite their violent past?

garage mahal said...

Just now watched the ad. Finally! Devastating. I hope they run that in Colorado. Now, if only people are paying attention, and that's not certain.

They're paying attention. They just don't give a shit, judging by the polls anyhow. Good luck with that Ace as they say in Vegas. And speaking of polls has anyone seen Fen lately? We were supposed to revisit the polling in a couple of weeks, and it's been a couple weeks and no Fen. Hmmmm.

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David said...

Hey, I've met Ayers a few times. He may or may not be a radical, but he certainly is an asshole of the very first rank. Vote McCain because Obama's friends are assholes! Unless you think McCain is an asshole.

Or Obama. His lower and mid level campaign aids are terrified of making a mistake. Why do you suppose that is?

chickenlittle said...

jdeeripper: That first link his hysterical. True Bromance!

Paul Zrimsek said...

Related: Jim Treacher points out that flying the Confederate flag is now perfectly all right.

John said...

It is interesting to see the Democrats go back to their old South roots. What Carville is saying in more polite terms is "if you guys don't vote for our guy, there is no telling what them crazy negros are going to do." All class James. All class.

Doyle said...

It is interesting to see the Democrats go back to their old South roots.

Yes that's definitely an apt description of what the Democratic party is doing. I can't believe you'd give away insight that piercing for free.

TMink said...

The fear of being called a racist is so silly.

Racists are almost immediately recognizable. They are not subtle, they are not sneaky, they are proud of their hatred.

As I have admitted before, my cousins voted for David Dukes in Louisiana. They are racists. They use racist language openly and think I am a pussy because I "will not see" their truth about Black Americans.

The left will continue to use this scam as long as the people they accuse react with fear.

Trey

Doyle said...

Racists are almost immediately recognizable.

Certainly true in Glenn Beck's case.

John said...

doyle,

Assuming that black people are violent and prone to riots if their candidate doesn't win, is about as old south as you can get. Most "liberals" when it comes to race relations are just old time paternalistic southern rednecks with a more polite veneer. Both modern liberals and old south rednecks viewed blacks as something less than human beings and unworthy of being held to normal standards of behavior. Of course liberals think there will be race riots. We couldn't expect black people to do anything but riot right?

miller said...

It really concerns me deeply that the media and the Democrat Party might think me racist for voting against Bambi (and yes, I'm voting against His Hyperpuissancy).

I'm almost stricken with fear and grief.

But I'll get over it.

jdeeripper said...

ron st.amant said...It's a sad, desperate attempt to turn the election and it won't work and it will unfortunately be McCain's legacy- a disgusting campaign from a once noble figure.

"Noble" like "honorable" are code words. They mean LOSER!!!

Liberals love poor little John McCain the lovable loser.

McCain needs to resist the temptation of wanting to be loved and honored by his enemies.

The liberals are like - "John, what are you doing my man. You're becoming such a disappointment to us. We thought you were such an honorable, noble (loser) guy.

But you've changed (decided to win) John and we detect a cynical (competitive) side to you that we find quite ugly."

TMink said...

My friend Doyle wrote: "Undecideds at this point are the kind of trailer park folks who are too racist to vote for Obama but too poor not to."


Doyle, Doyle, Doyle. You do not believe that brother! Certainly some people will not vote for Senator Obama because he identifies himself as black, and that is horrid.

Like you, I do not understand someone being undecided in this election! But laying it all down to race is a gross oversimplification. You are a more nuanced thinker than that in my estimation pal.

Trey

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m00se said...

"By the way, there is a new Gallup poll in which the vast majority of voters say race has no effect on their decisions. Yes, of course, people often won't admit it or don't realize it."

**Don't realize it**?

This is the epitome of the problem with the discussion of racism. When it becomes so embedded that you need psychoanalysis to root it out, you've lost me.

That puts someone else in charge of your psyche, and that's just not acceptable.

There will always be some level of bias people retain that cannot be "cleansed", but a subtle form of racism that is so strong that it causes you to not vote for someone - that's an oxymoron.

dannyboy said...

They just don't give a shit, judging by the polls anyhow.

Damn straight. I just got back from watching some pole dancing and I don’t give a shit either. I just want my $1000 tax refund like he promised.

Because it’s all about me.

JAL said...

If I said BO was like George Bush because he has been wearing a blue tie like George Bush wears, does that make me a racist?

How in the world does that ad equate to racism?

Oh. Wait. I forgot.

Obama's supporters live in a parallel universe where any criticism of Barack Obama has GOT to be because he's 'black.'

(Well, maybe, sort of, because after all, way back when there were those people who questioned whether Barack Obama was "black" enough.)

Another sign of how condescending the left is of America.

miller said...

So if Bambi wins the election, will all criticism of His Hyperpuissancy be simply racism?

This will be a fun four years.

Racism. I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Beth said...

I don't find think the Ayers ad is racist; nor am I certain Carville is raising the issue of race, but instead of voting machine fraud. There are other ways for Obama supporters to counter the Ayers ad -- if they even need to -- without taking the lame race angle. And Limbaugh's just as craven in laying the groundwork on this so-called race riot lameness.

Expat(ish) said...

I mentioned to my wife that one of the (many) things that bother me about BHO wasn't that Ayers has radical policies and politics. She's an academic in a field where a traditional feminist is considered reactionary.

No, I said I'd never let a terrorist, repentant or otherwise, in my house once I knew about it.

She cracked up and pointed out that we've dropped several "friends from school" because of their serial monogamy failures. (Think Bill Clinton)

Which is true - life is really too short to associate with people who are so fundamentally untrustworthy.

Would I go find a new job if my boss was a cheating fool? Probably not, but it'd be a good factor to force me to look around for a more wholesome env.

-XC

Shanna said...

I suspect rioting, if it happens, will only happen in cities where the majority of citizens have been disarmed. Thus SFO will see rioting, not so much in Atlanta.

I don't think it will happen, but yeah. Just try to riot in Arkansas, where over 50 percent of households are armed.

heidi said...

I love the criticism of the phrase "that one".

Isn't Barry "The One"

Can there be more than one?

Is he getting ready to flip on this too?

"That's not the "one" that I thought it was."

jdeeripper said...

Among them: In five states that track registration by race, blacks—who polls suggest almost unanimously support Obama—have registered to vote at nearly twice the rate of whites over the past six months.

"It had a lot to do with negligence on my part, not taking interest in it," Natalie Mattocks, a 26-year-old woman from Jacksonville, said of her previous indifference to voting. She signed up this summer as a Democrat. "Now with an African-American candidate, there's kind of an automatic level of interest for me," said Mattocks, who is black.

Pundit Joe said...

It is fairly obvious by now that any hard criticism of Obama is immediately labeled as racist. Should Obama win the presidency, we can certainly expect this behavior to continue, but how long will it prove effective? Will the general public eventually see it as a cheap dodge for an Obama administration? I would like to think so, but history doesn’t back me up.

Pastor_Jeff said...

Goodness knows there's enough material for these kinds of ads, but they always seem to try too hard -- they hit people over the head with the punchline and ruin the ads' effectiveness.

"How disrespectful."
"Too risky for America."
"Not ready to lead."

Nobody likes being lectured. Present your evidence, plant a question, and let people fill in the blanks.

See "Bear" from Reagan's 1984 campaign.

Michael McNeil said...

Doyle sez:
Undecideds at this point are the kind of trailer park folks who are too racist to vote for Obama but too poor not to.

So that's the explanation for the debate the other day: the audience, source of the questions put to the candidates, was composed entirely of (Doyle's) undecideds. Hey, Doyle, didn't you really mean “trailer park trash“?

PatCA said...

I see nothing racist in that ad. But then again, I am a Caucasian and my entire being is deeply coded for racism which is reflected in every aspect of my life.

I probably should be in prison.

E.D. Kain said...

Ann, there is without a doubt racism involved in this election. McCain is using it to his advantage whether or not he supports it outright.

From personal experience I know that racism does exist in this election.

It's a shame.

miller said...

For democrats, the plural of "anecdote" is "data."

Yachira said...

The leftists (with whom Ann Althouse appears now to be a fellow traveler) are playing games at YouTube again. This video—from the campaign of a presidential candidate—has now been flagged as “inappropriate” and you need to confirm your birth date before viewing. Amazing!

Henry said...

Professional sports history tells us that people sometimes riot when they win, too.

* * *

If you believe that Carville may be right about how 'dramatic' things could be, then all good people who love this country must lie to the pollsters and tell them they're voting for McCain.

KnightErrant said...

The ads are just ads but they are part of the milieu of the McCain-Palin campaign. Crowds shouting "treason," "traitor," "kill him" and worse. The rage and hatred is reminiscent of a cross burning rally. The environment around the McCain-Palin campaign has become vile beyond belief. "Racist" is a mild shorthand.

dannyboy said...

Can there be more than one?

No there can't be more than one you fool! Didn't you hear that dude always say THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! after he chopped off some chap's head?

Although I think that was all bullshit because they called him Highlander and the bastard didn't even have a brogue.

You just can't trust what they show you on tv anymore.

miller said...

QUOTE
Crowds shouting "treason," "traitor," "kill him" and worse.

/QUOTE


Yeah, actual crowds. Just like Nuremberg.

I'd stick with "racist" -- that at least can't be argued against.

mccullough said...

As for the troop donation, the 6:1 statistic is true but misleading.

Obama has received about $60,000 in donations from overseas troops and McCain about $10,000. The stat is misleading because most troops don't donate any money. (The ones giving to Obama presumably want to get out of Iraq and home although they'll probably just be sent to Afghanistan). The real test will be the votes of overseas troops, not the donations.

As for the media's whitewashing (is that a racist term?) of Obama's connection to Ayers, I find it interesting that articles have been continually noting the crazy shouts of some yahoos at McCain/Palin campaign rallies should somehow reflect poorly on McCain (guilt by association? I doubt his campaing screens the people who come to his events, much less that McCain knows any of these crackers by name) but Obama's willing association with Ayers (which isn't a close association by any stretch) should be completely disregarded.

Apparently McCain should condemn these yahoos but Obama shouldn't condemn Ayers? Obama was 40 years old when Ayers wrote in the New York Times that he wished he had set off more bombs back when Obama was 8 years old and Obama still was a willing acquaintance of Ayers for 4 more years.

WTF is wrong with the national media? When is the New York Times going to write a story with the headling: CRAZY YAHOOS AT McCAIN RALLYS ARE COMPLETE STRANGERS TO McCAIN

David said...

HIJACK ALERT!!!

Earlier posts talked of a market crash. I said not yet--it's like porn you will know it when you see it.

Look up at the sweaty horny naked market, wearing only black socks and sporting a completely limp penis as a woman in a leather mask makes comments on CNBC. This is a crash!

chickenlittle said...

mccullough wote:

WTF is wrong with the national media?

Maybe they're afraid of being mislabeled "racist".

John Stodder said...

Apart from everything else that's happening on the market, the drop in tech stocks alone is akin to what happened when the tech bubble burst in '01.

Meade said...

"The new McCain ad hits Obama hard on the Ayers connection. That's unpleasant for Obama supporters, but is it unfair? Is it racist?"

It's no more unfair or racist than Obama hitting McCain hard on his Bush connection. Or his Reagan connection. Or his Feingold connection. Which is to say, it isn't unfair and it isn't racist. Obama just doesn't want us to know the whole truth about his connection to Ayers and Dohrn and THAT is unfair, to us, the People.

By the way, singling a person out for their race IS racist although it doesn't necessarily make one "a racist." Similarly, Doyle's elitist comment at 1:21 reflects his elitism but in and of itself does not prove that he believes he's better than everyone else.

LarsPorsena said...

"As for the troop donation, the 6:1 statistic is true but misleading."

Yep! The "Military Times" did a poll and it runs about 3:1 for McCain.

There's all kinds of money flowing into the BO campaign chest from
some very suspicious sources. He has lots of mystery donors.

dannyboy said...

I don't know why people are racist. I think all colors of people are wonderful, especially Latin chicks although Peruvian women are kinda stinky and butt ugly. But they do cook well and are very nice.

John Stodder said...

So the theory is "nobody cares about scurrilous charges against Obama" because they're too busy looking at their 401k's fall through the floor.

I don't know if I buy it. The voters want someone who they can trust to manage getting us out of this mess. That's a character question. Neither McCain nor Obama are financial market experts. It comes down to whose judgment do you trust more.

However, I'm not sure the answer isn't still "Obama," despite his fibbing about Ayers. Because I'm not so sure the erratic, impulsive and vindictive McCain wouldn't be worse.

Glen said...

It's getting ugly?

No. It got ugly the day after Sarah Palin's nomination. That was ugly.

Trooper York said...

"Similarly, Doyle's elitist comment at 1:21 reflects his elitism but in and of itself does not prove that he believes he's better than everyone else."

No, it just proves he's a Met's fan. They always think they are better than they are. If you listen to them they are in the playoffs now because they are a lot better than the Phillies.

Donn said...

JS:
Because I'm not so sure the erratic, impulsive and vindictive McCain wouldn't be worse.

Agreed.

bagoh20 said...

""It is the Willie Hortonization of Obama," said University of San Francisco associate professor of political science James Taylor...."

What are the chances that a University of San Francisco associate professor of political science is a fair, balanced, centrist who thinks McCain is a decent man and thinks Bush is human?

mccullough said...

The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.

Larsporsona:

This from an AP story dated Aug 14 2008. You're poll of how servicemembers will vote is probably accurate, but Obama has taken in more donations. Again, as most military people don't donate, it's a pretty useless statistic.


"The report tracked donations of $200 or more. It found that 859 members of the military donated a total of $335,536 to Obama. McCain received $280,513 from 558 military donors.




Among soldiers serving overseas at the time of their donations, 134 gave a total of $60,642 to Obama while 26 gave a total of $10,665 to McCain. That was less than the amount received by Republican Ron Paul, who collected $45,512 from 99 soldiers serving abroad, the report said."

Skyler said...

This tendency to label every criticism as racist is one of the most important reasons to shun the Obama candidacy.

We face four years of being called racists. Nothing is more likely to undermine the advances of blacks in this country.

And you know what? Folks like Obama would thrive on a resumption of racism, it only makes it easier for him to scream "racist" and ignore legitimate criticism. It's a self-perpetutating method. It's an unstable feedback system. It's going to be very scary if this communist wins.

But then, even though he has written that his philosophical mentors were communists, he hangs out with communist terrorists, and his thuggish attempts to silence opponents and critics are all traits of being a communist, somehow to point that out is to be labeled "racist."

Henry said...

It seems that McCain is an insider trying to run as an outsider.

Obama is an outsider running as an outsider, the kind you are not allowed to criticize.

Joe Biden is an insider running as an insider.

Sarah Palin is an outsider running as an outsider, the kind you are allowed to criticize.

Hope that clears things up.

Here's a question. If the attacks "surfacing in the past few days [are] more overt" how come they are still "embedded in 'coded' language"?

chickenlittle said...

john stodder wrote:
Apart from everything else that's happening on the market, the drop in tech stocks alone is akin to what happened when the tech bubble burst in '01.

Hmmm, I recall that event happening a year earlier, throughout 2000.

Michael said...

The stock market is down 650 points (14,150 a year ago...8,550 today) General Motors' stock just hit a level it hasn't seen since 1951, Americans are losing massive amounts of their pensions, inflation is climbing, for the ninth straight month unemployment has gone up, we're still spending 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq, Afghanistan is reeling...and here we have a discussion about whether McCain's campaign is being racial??

Do the regulars here actually think this is a more important topic for discussion or debate?

*And by the way, this is exactly what the McCain campaign want Americans blathering on about:

Just a few days ago, a top McCain strategist told the Daily News. "If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we're going to lose."

ElcubanitoKC said...

chickenlittle said...
[...]

Hmmm, I recall that event happening a year earlier, throughout 2000.

3:11 PM



That is correct. That's how I came to this city after losing a job in Miami at a dotcom that never launched.

ElcubanitoKC said...

And just to remind everyone, the market fell much lower in 2001. We were in the 7000 territory for a while between 2001 and 2002. It may go even lower this time, but hopefully not much lower. It will bottom out and rebound.

Roger J. said...

The one thing you can believe in is that your military, the one I served in for 25 years, will not take sides irrespective of the outcome. Our military remains apolitical, and that is one of the things that makes America exceptional.

Now--please continue with the racist drivel.

rhhardin said...

The economic crisis is keeping credit lines available to going businesses, not the stock market.

It's entertaining that the end of the world is swiftly brought on by a Democrat idea's side effects. I mean because side effects are the chief effects, usually, but not so elaborately as this. A principle is illustrated.

The market will eventually decide what everything is worth; the thing to work in is keeping stuff working that is already working, like ongoing businesses.

Lawgiver said...

Garage said,

Well we know troops deployed abroad are contributing to Obama 6-1 to McCain. So I'd say they're not too concerned.


Dacy questioned it. Garage didn't respond. I'd say garage is a liar.

How would you get such information anyway? Do they poll the deployed troops? Deployed where abroad? Germany, England, Japan, Iran, Afghanistan, on ships? When you donate is there a box to check saying "I'm the troops and I'm deployed?"

David said...

yeah the economic crisis is a lot more important but by and large Ann does not do economics and markets.

It may have something to do with being a professor. Ann--with her usual candor--has noted that she is not very exposed financially to market forces.

My son in law is a sociology prof and my daughter his wife was thinking last year of giving up her elementary school teaching job last year. I reminded her what a good job teaching is in hard times. She kept the job and she and her fine hubby can sleep at night.

madawaskan said...

Chip Ahoy is right...

Bomb the shit out of Colorado Springs with this.

Hit the Panhandle of Florida.

Hit Tampa, hit the Orlando corridor Patrick AFB, Jacksonville.

North Carolina-you know why the media is playing with the polls there?

The last two extreme outlying polls done there were by Public Policy Polling-yes a Democrat organization...

Ask yourself when was the last time a Democrat won North Carolina? So why are they trying to skew it?
So they can have the post election racial talking point.

Lunatic Fringe
I know you're out there
You're in hiding
And you hold your meetings
We can hear you coming
We know what you're after
We're wise to you this time
We won't let you kill the laughter

Lunatic Fringe
In the twilight's last gleaming
This is open season
But you won't get too far
We know you've got to blame someone
For your own confusion
But we're on guard this time
Against your final solution

We can hear you coming
(We can hear you coming)
No you're not going to win this time
We can hear the footsteps
(We can hear the footsteps)
Way out along the walkway
Lunatic Fringe
We know you're out there
But in these new dark ages
There will still be light

An eye for an eye
Well, before you go under
Can you feel the resistance
Can you feel the....thunder


link

Lawgiver said...

Hey,

The plagarist, liar, German Valise, dinosaur man, astrotroller Michael AKA Luckyoldson is back. It's time for the MICHAEL SHOW! So let's get started!

Bite my dick.
Blow me.
Read any books?
Are you guys for real?
Suckass.
What a hoot!
You suck.
You're a fucking idiot.
Check your meds.
Are you and _____ dating?
Fuck off.
Like I thought, no guts.
Bite my ass.
Blow me.

And take it away Michael!

madawaskan said...

Garage-

Ya let's let the Panhandle of Florida call the whole thing shall we?

Home of Pensacola NAS, Hurlburt Field home of the 9th SOS,and Red Horse, Eglin AFB home of the 33rd fighter wing., largest military base in the free world.

Let's go there.

Just remember something-Okaloosa county with civilians voted for Bush by 77% last time.

Shanna said...

Do the regulars here actually think this is a more important topic for discussion or debate?

I didn't see a thread to talk about it, but the stock market is tanking. It does this periodically. People are very spooked, probably because they spent weeks hearing about the great depression. Hell, I started the Great Crash Tuesday night and it was freaky.

But it will rebound. I am ok with the stock market going down, down, down for a while, as long as it rebounds, but I am far more concerned about unemployment. The last reports were slightly elevated, but nowhere near Great Depression numbers. I am hoping they don't go there and that things are overblown and that our leaders, whoever they end up being, will act wisely. This is a lot to hope.

Original George said...

roger j....

What would happen ig DC got nuked while Congress was in session, beyond global psychological meltdown. Did that continuity of government legislation ever pass? Provisions exist for the rapid re-election of Senators, but there's some major Constitutional malfunction re: House elections. Other info here.

And a fun tidbit about the economy....13 percent of men between the ages of 30 and 55 are jobless, accd. to Fortune/NYT. That's up from 5 percent in the 1960s and undoubtedly undercounts the real percent.

madawaskan said...

Hell I'd hit Chicago with that ad once or twice-some of them have got to know how ridiculous it is-that Obama claims to not know what Bernardine and Ayers were about.

The McCain campaign cannot go back on defense ever again till the end of the campaign.

And- they probably have to be surgical when it comes to the markets that will get this ad.

Jen Bradford said...

This new wave of crying "racism" would bother me a lot less if Obama hadn't spent so many months preemptively telling us how racist his opponents were going to be. (What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me...You know, he doesn't look like all those other Presidents on the dollar bills.")

So any implication that he is "not like you" becomes code for race rather than non-code for wondering whether Ayers and Dohrn (or Obama himself) can be described as mainstream Democrats.

Unlike most Americans, they have a personal understanding of the thinking which led to 9/11. They know from experience what it means to reach a point where entire populations are no longer "innocent" but complicit. They may well have been horrified by the attacks, but I would be astounded if they didn't fully understand, and in some sense sympathize with the perpetrators.

It's too bad Obama couldn't claim to be associating with them for their insights in that regard. Instead he speaks as if the war on terror will be over as soon as we plug Bin Laden.

Anthony said...

You have an American Express Card?

How about a Mastercard?

But if you want to get to the White House, pay with the RACECARD!

Anthony said...

Knock knock.

Who's there?

The Reverand Jerimiah Wright?

The Reverand Jerimiah Wright who?

Oh come on Barrack, you know who I am!

mccullough said...

Original George,

Interesting statistic. Maybe they're all living off their wives. I did it for awhile. I dramatically improved my golf, got my six-pack abs back, and read the harry potter books.

It's a great gig if you can get it.

Roger J. said...

Original George: I confess to not understanding your point. please be a bit more explicit, if you would.

Michael said...

Lawgiver - I see you're onve again, low on meds or drinking early in the day.

And what in the world is your creepy infatuation with the word; "valise?"

Do you even know what it means??

chickenlittle said...

The more Обама's stock rises, the more the Dow tanks. Are these movements correlated?

Cedarford said...

Having an immunity amulet from all criticism due to race, religion, gender, ethnicity, class is one of the most powerful tools a power-seeker could possess.

We see it in active use today not just by blacks but by other groups.

Muslims term any flaw with Islam that seems to generate 95% of the world's terrorists from mosques...as Islamophobia. Gays are now the bashers of straights, convinced that they have unlimited moral authority as a victim's group, and any oppo to them is bigotry.

Jews have played the card long, and played it well, in circumstances where they have power and influence. Most notably in the early days of the Soviet Union, when as 2% of the population, they achieved majorities in the Soviet Central Committee and Judiciary and near-majority in the Agencies of State Terror. They promptly made anti-Semitism, by it's very nature, a counter-revolutionary expression of opinion. Thus a death penalty offense.
Stalin out-manuvered them by the mid-20s due to them seeing Russia as "non-Central to Revolution" whereas Stalin had a better program to the Russian worker and Party member - of modernization and foreign investment and not wasting resources and making all nations Russia enemy - by exporting bomb-throwers globally. Stalin curbed their disproportionate power somewhat, but was happy with the structures of Red Terror they and Lenin devised, and used those tools and many Jews he kept in high places in totalitarian agencies of repression to expand liquidations.

Still, all through Stalins time and up to the 70s, overt criticism of Jews could result in a one-way trip to the Gulags. And one of the main Soviet defenses against Solzhenitsyn's criticisms of communism, made to other countries, was that he should have no credibility, because he was anti-Semitic in some of his writings by singling out Jews as disproportionate in Communist power centers, and prime movers of the Red Terror.

With American blacks, like Jews, facts of historical persecution were then used as a reason to demand immunity from criticism - even as the facts of high black crime and family dysfunctionalism and low educational performance became inescapably obvious, matters that had to be discussed.

Even then, all too many academics that carefully skirted overt criticism but pointed out problems were labelled "racist" to silence them. As were blacks that dared point out serious problems instantly labelled "Uncle Tom!" by white and black activists.

Now, in what should be the post-Civil Rights Era - blacks and Lefty activists find the "racism, racism!" charge still has great power, is still accepted, therefore it is still used. Branding Bill Clinton as a racist helped Obama win over almost all black supporters of Hillary. It worked. A white candidate found to be a 20-year member of a church populated by hollerin' and hootin' anti-american, racist bigots would have been finished - but with Obama it was "understandable", and even "racist" to point out that Rev Wright made racist sermons and his black congregation loved them. And Team Axelrod has poured much effort into guilt tripping young whites - if you don't support Obama and wear the button, you're obviously racist - and if you don't turn out and vote - well, that shows you are a "Bradley Effect" racist.

===================
When will specious charges of Islamophobia, homophobia, anti-Semitism, racism, sexism ever end?

Frankly, never....They will persist as long as they still work as effective tools to gain power and immunize such groups from criticism or scrutiny.

When a minority wields enough power to block all criticism, legally, while enjoying priviledge over the majority, though, history tends to see that as pure and simple repression.
In much of Dark Ages, medieval Europe, it was illegal for majority peasants, even the merchant class, to "insult the honor" of the noble minority by criticizing them. It was considered a grave legal offense, that warranted fines, "striking", and even death - depending on the country.
Asian aristocracies had similar rules against such "bigotry" directed at their "oppressed" and outnumbered, aristocratic minorities or castes.

Your chances of getting power and wealth, then keeping it, is obviously enhanced if others agree or are successfully intimidated by your demand they may not openly criticize your clique.

madawaskan said...

How Obama didn't recognize that these two were lunatics is beyond me. I would want to punch them both out-and certainly would never enter their "home".

The irony is I think it is his mentor-the gal who wanted to run for a higher office and who's vacant seat Obama was running for that organized his political coming out party at the Ayer's home.

I think this is the same gal who then changed her mind and Obama had her taken off the ballot by legal challenges.

She supported Hillary in the primary.

LonewackoDotCom said...

Everyone should get used to this.

If BHO becomes president, every time things don't go his way his surrogates - including those in the MSM - are going to play the race card. Get used to reading "Some people say it's racist..." or "Prof. So-and-So say it's racist..." over and over.

The only way to prevent that from happening is to go to a BHO appearance and ask him tough questions about his associations to his face. Get his response on video, and upload it to Youtube.

More on that plan here, and if you can't get out to ask questions then at least urge those listed at the link to get behind this plan.

miller said...

You people who are questioning Bambi are all RACISTS!

It's an irrefutable fact.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

The more Обама's stock rises, the more the Dow tanks. Are these movements correlated

Positively correlated.

Triangle Man said...

Madawaskan said...

[something about polling in NC]


PPP certainly seems to inflate Obama's standing relative to other polls (has Obama +6 now, but had them tied on 9/18). However, every other poll shows McCain declining in NC. SurveyUSA went from McCain +20 on 9/9 to McCain +3 on 10/6. This doesn't seem media-generated.

Michael said...

Anybody who doesn't think the McCain campaign isn't playing the race and unAmerican card can watch this video and see the kind of people attending the rallies:

crooksandliars.com/silentpatriot/palin-mccain-mob

It's absolutely sickening and really shows you how incredibly ignorant some people can be.

garage mahal said...

Garage-

Ya let's let the Panhandle of Florida call the whole thing shall we?


Let's not.

Michael McNeil said...

I see you're onve again, low on meds or drinking early in the day.

It's Carbon Dating Man!

Me, I'd rather date diamonds than soot — exemplified by our resident Troll.

Hey, Plagiarizing Michael, JustOneMinute's been talking almost nonstop about the economic problems — why don't you go over there and confound them with your “wisdom”?

ElcubanitoKC said...

Cedarford, you are positively stark raving mad. The Jews were one of the most persecuted groups in the Soviet Union: Trostky (nee Bronstein), Kamenev (nee Rosenfeld), Sinoviev (nee Radomyslsky), Mikhoels, the Kremlin Doctors, the Refuseniks of the 60s, 70s and 80s. Get your facts straight, Dr. Goebbels.

Stalin was absolutely obsessed with Jews. He hated them since he was a kid, and the feeling was passed on to his successors. Just as to you, apparently.

ElcubanitoKC said...

dust bunny queen said...
The more Обама's stock rises, the more the Dow tanks. Are these movements correlated

Positively correlated.

4:15 PM


I think a lot of people have been noticing the trend.

Michael said...

bunny, Can I assume you're not aware of the fact that Americans fare much better economically under Democratic administrations that Republican?

What we're seeing right now is directly related to the current administration, Congress, pure greed and huge mistakes by the Fed and others...as it should be. And if Gore was President everybody here would be screaming to high heaven about his inability to stem the situation and you know it.

Read this and educate yourself:

*With twenty years of the ups and downs of the U.S. business cycle, there is a significant advantage when a Democrat occupied the White House in each of five categories.

% Per Annum - GDP Growth:
Democrat 4.1%
Republican 2.9%

% Per Annum - Employment Democrat 2.9%
Republican 1.7%

% Per Annum - CPI
Democrat 4.0%
Republican 5.1%

% Per Annum - DJIA
Democrat 8.1%
Republican 6.5%

% Per Annum - Dollar
Democrat +0.8%
Republican -3.6%

MadisonMan said...

Dust Bunny Queen, if something goes up while something else goes down, that's a negative correlation.

If BHO becomes president, every time things don't go his way his surrogates - including those in the MSM - are going to play the race card.

Right. The Congress, overriding a veto, is going to be called racist. Let me say that your predictive skills are wanting.

Thomas said...

Is voting against Barack Obama inherently racist?

Original Mike said...

What would happen ig DC got nuked while Congress was in session

The Dow would jump 3,000 points.

Michael said...

Michael McNeil said..."It's Carbon Dating Man!"

Let me guess: Prozac?

Talk about a on-trick-pony.

Give it up, Dude...it's OLD news.

Donn said...

Anybody know where BHO is today?

Michael said...

Thomas said..."Is voting against Barack Obama inherently racist?"

What would make you think that?

Michael said...

Donn said..."Anybody know where BHO is today?"

I think he's in PA, but I know where another of the bigoted racists are...and his name is Donn.

Does it make you proud?

ElcubanitoKC said...

MadisoMan, what are the probabilities of Congress (being in Democrat hands) overriding one of his vetos?

And, just a general reminder, WE ARE STILL IGNORING THE TROLL.

miller said...

Do not speak against Bambi - that is RACISM.

Ugly, deep, RACISM.

Instead, speak about how funny it is McCain can't use a computer.

madawaskan said...

Triangle Man-

I think they are playing with them.

Just to have that specific racial argument.

SurveyUSA has it 49% McCain to 46% Obama. pollster.com

The poll I would trust most coming out of there-other than the actual results-[definitely not the exit polls]- would be Mason Dixon.

Add to that historically North Carolina has not voted for a Democratic Presidential candidate since 1976 and that was for Jimmy Carter who came from neighboring Georgia.

Here is the results for North Carolina for the last ten elections-

Last 10 Elections ( State voted with the overall winning candidate)

1968- Republican

1972-Republican

1976-Democrat

1980-Republican

1984-Republican

1988-Republican

1992-Republican

1996-Republican

2000-Republican

2004-Republican

North Carolina Voting History

Darcy said...

Oh...Original Mike. Excellent. :)

Michael McNeil said...

Give it up, Dude...it's OLD news.

Finally figured out that you don't have a leg to stand on there, huh?

When are you going to learn how to make a simple html link? Or stop plagiarizing, for that matter.

ElcubanitoKC said...

MadisonMan, in fact, let me rephrase that: What are the probabilities that he will have to veto any legislation enacted by a Congress controlled by his party?

Michael said...

ElcubanitoKC said..."MadisonMan, in fact, let me rephrase that: What are the probabilities that he will have to veto any legislation enacted by a Congress controlled by his party?"

Probably about the same as George W. Bush.

How many did HE veto while the Republicans had the majority?

Seems like a rather silly argument to make.

D said...

Sigh, four years of everything is racism is gonna get old fast.

Obama didn't transcend racism - he breathed new life into it and made it is own.

Michael said...

Miller says: "Instead, speak about how funny it is McCain can't use a computer."

I don't think it's "funny" at all.

I think it speaks to his lack of intelligence.

How many professional people do YOU know who can't use a computer?

madawaskan said...

Breaking-Obama is buying a half hour of prime time.

Link

He's got the big bucks behind him-but remember folks they're the party of the little people!

Meanwhile the networks will probably refuse to run this McCain ad because of it's "racial" content, and nevermind the media that now controls the "town" meeting...

MadisonMan said...

Fine, I'll generalize it. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) votes against a bill proposed by President Obama. She will not be called racist because of it. Richard Shelby (R-AL) votes against a bill proposed by President Obama. He will not be called racist because of it.

Those are my predictions. I think lonewackodotcom's scenario has zero chance of happening.

Michael said...

"When are you going to learn how to make a simple html link?"

Why should I?

If you don't want to copy and past the link...don't.

ElcubanitoKC said...

MadisonMan, do you want to bet on that?

MadisonMan said...

Obama is buying a half hour of prime time.

McCain should place some national ads within the half-hour -- they could have a virtual debate!

miller said...

Yup, there's only one reason why McCain doesn't use a computer.

Stupidity.

Oh, and racism.

That's just an extra slice of frosting.

Donn said...

Why should I?

Personally, "I think it speaks to his lack of intelligence."

ElcubanitoKC said...

Guys, please, ignore the troll. If he doesn't get a reply, his ADD will do the rest. He loses interest and goes trolling somewhere else, or goes back to playing WoW.

Michael said...

madawaskan said..."He's got the big bucks behind him-but remember folks they're the party of the little people!"

SNOPES.COM -

"The bulk of the money raised by the Obama campaign via donations has come from contributions of $200 or larger, not contributions of "$10 to $25 or so," and campaigns must, by federal law, identify "all PACs and party committees that give them contributions, and they must identify individuals who give them more than $200 in an election cycle."

MadisonMan said...

Sure. I will come and say you were right if it happens.

Mind -- if some Senator Stoneage votes against some bill and (s)he says it's because (s)he doesn't want uppity n*gg*rs getting something, and that's called racist, well, we'll have to agree that that is racist.

But if Senator Feingold, for example, votes against something Obama pushes because he (Feingold) thinks it's unnecessary or too expensive, and Feingold is called a racist because of it, then yes, I will publically announce that you and lonewackdotcom were correct.

Everytime a bill is voted against, and the racism claim is not made, however, you have to announce that I was right.

We'll do this 'til Prof. A tells us to shut up.

Michael said...

January: Obama campaign announced a record-setting month in terms of donations - $32 million in January alone. That’s the most ever raised by a candidate who’s still in a Primary race. And, his campaign told me today, $28 million of that was raised online.

That means Obama raised more money in January online than Howard Dean raised in his entire 2003/2004 campaign (he raised a total of $27 million). Barack’s $28 million in online contributions came from more than 250,000 contributors. 90% were under $100. 40% were $25 or less, and 10,000 people gave $5 or $10 to the campaign.

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/04/obama-sets-record-with-january-donations-online-donations-88-of-total/

ElcubanitoKC said...

MadisonMan, you have yourself a deal, I will honor that.

Michael said...

ElcubanitoKC - If you don't have a reasonable response, you have no argument.

Using the silly "troll" bullshit only shows how little you have to say.

When 99% of the people her, unless one agree with their point of view, refer to anyone as a "troll," it just makes you look small.

Are you a little guy?

Phil said...

Simple, honest question (no snark)

If you could wave a magic wand and make all TRUE racists vanish and not vote, would Obama win? If so, by how much? (take North and South Carolina for example)

If all the REAL anti-american Ayers type vanished would McCain win? If so by how much?

What percentage of the GOP and Democrat base are made up of these type of people?

My guess, more than either side cares to admit.

Michael said...

Miller, I never said McCain was "stupid."

I said the fact that he still can't use a computer relates to his lack of intelligence...and certainly illustrates a lack of interest in technology.

*I also asked you a straight forward question you ignored: How many professionals people do YOU know who can't use a computer?

Instead of responding, you just throw out the standard bullshit.

Rose said...

Out of touch? No. Not really. This is something his BASE is asking for. The media won't tell the story, you damn well have to!

It matters.

AND you have to continue to talk about all the other stuff, including the economy. AND the Democratic Party's role in this debacle.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

if something goes up while something else goes down, that's a negative correlation.

That was a joke. Positively as in absolutely yes.

Real answer. Yes there is a correlation because anyone who can is taking whatever gains they have right now because.

A. they have a gain at the moment.

And B. they expect/anticipate that Obama is going to be raising taxes on capital gains, on businesses, on oil companies which will even further lower dividends an depress the stock values more than they already are.

There are many other factors besides a looming Obama regime but it is A factor.

The correlation can be +1 to -1 with zero correlation factor meaning that there is no relationship between the movements. Still there is correlation, albeit negative.

Paul Zrimsek said...

I'd say garage is a liar.

Say rather, "Garage is misinformed." Not only is it more civil, but it's the single safest utterance in the English language.

jdeeripper said...

madawaskan said...Add to that historically North Carolina has not voted for a Democratic Presidential candidate since 1976 and that was for Jimmy Carter who came from neighboring Georgia.

Forget history. North Carolina has had a big increase in black voter registration and 97% of them will be voting for brother Barack.

Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale et al didn't inspire the smaller black vote like Obama is now.

Branding Bill Clinton as a racist helped Obama win over almost all black supporters of Hillary. It worked. A white candidate found to be a 20-year member of a church populated by hollerin' and hootin' anti-american, racist bigots would have been finished - but with Obama it was "understandable", and even "racist" to point out that Rev Wright made racist sermons and his black congregation loved them. And Team Axelrod has poured much effort into guilt tripping young whites

Palin needs to get out there and say - "Obama/Axelrod ran a racist campaign against Bill and Hill. We know their strategy. We aren't going to let them get away with doing that to us. We aren't going to give in to their race baiting, guilt mongering tactics."

Jen Bradford said...

Phil,
I suspect the Clintons have some pretty hard numbers to answer both questions. And I think they had a lot to do with the reason she insisted Obama couldn't win.

What alarms me are the people who aren't repelled by both creepy extremes, while being very alive to one.

Michael said...

Phil, I believe racism is alive and well in America, on both sides of the political aisle.

There are those who will never vote for a black person running for any office. (And I think we all know people who fit that bill...and, based on some of the veiled and not so veiled comments appearing today, I think there are some right her on this blog site...but that's their right as citizens.)

I personally grew up in an area, where racism was an every day form of life, and many of my friends who live there are still as racist as can be.

I find it embarrassing.

walter neff said...

Now is the time to take your capital gains because Mr. Obama is going to tax the shit out of it if you leave it till he gets in and soaks the "rich." Get it now and it put it in an insured cash account and wait it out.

Paul Zrimsek said...

If the attacks "surfacing in the past few days [are] more overt" how come they are still "embedded in 'coded' language"?

We've switched back from four-rotor to three-rotor Enigma. It's easier to break.

junyo said...

*I also asked you a straight forward question you ignored: How many professionals people do YOU know who can't use a computer?

Based on 20 years as a sysadmin in a couple of Fortune 50 companies, as well as smaller companies, I'm guessing 80% of the executives older than 50 and with access to a secretary or an admin. I once had a SVP call support to have a tech read him his email because his admin was on vacation, said he did it every time she wasn't there. That's why almost every major email server has a delegate function, so that assistants can write emails for the boss.

Michael said...

Jen Bradford - I agree with your premise about the Clintons.

They wanted the nomination, and I think one of the reasons they feel Obama can't win is directly related to their belief that there is a percentage of the population that will not vote for a black person...and I'll bet they've expressed just that behind closed doors.

garage mahal said...

Somebody called me a liar?

PatCA said...

Well, the ad is working. Last night, Michelle O admitted Barack worked with Ayers on the CAC. Wonder why Barack didn't remember that? I'd like to know that. Guess Larry King is not interested. Guess the media are not interested.

I must be a racist!

Michelle O

Trooper York said...

Hey garage maybe this can get you a tag.

Start yelling "MY PANTS ARE ON FIRE...MY PANTS ARE ON FIRE"

When they ask you what it is all about, start talking about pointy breasts.

Michael said...

junyo: I apprecite your experience and response, but in my experience, your statement: "I'm guessing 80% of the executives older than 50 and with access to a secretary or an admin."

Is way off the mark.

Over the past ten years things have changed dramatically and I don't think 8 out of 10 executives or professionals who are over 50 (do YOU think that's some kind of learning curve stop point or that over 50 is "old?) working in almost business can't use a computer.

miller said...

It's very clear that opposing Bambi in any way is only explained by racism.

No other reason exists. Not his lack of a record or his lack of candor. Not his continual lying about his relationship with Bill Ayers. Not his lying about his church experience. Not his lying about opposing the Iraq war. Not his lies about NAFTA. Not his lies about what he will do.

Nope.

The ONLY reason to oppose him is racism.

Michael McNeil said...

Why should I?

Because it might allow people imagine that you're anything other than a troll — who cares nothing for this blog except to disrupt it. It might also allow folks to believe you're anything more than a half-wit.

But since you don't care for anything other than disruption, and you are a half-wit, keep doing as you're doing, please.

Michael said...

patca, I've never read where Obama denied working at the CAC while Bill Ayers was there.

And I also don't think it will mean squat as far as the election is concerned.

Dredging up this tripe is a waste of time for McCain and shows just how desperate the man is.

miller said...

"The United States has an absolute obligation to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.... The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster....It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died.... It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."

"I've always opposed the Iraq War."

Except when you didn't. And don't. And won't.

Michael said...

Michael McNeil - I provide the site information.

If you want to copy and paste it, do it.

If not, don't.

It has nothing to do with your silly "troll" bullshit or that I'm here to merely "disrupt" your suckfest.

I have my own point of views, they are apparently not part of the mainstream regurgitation of right wing talking points most here provide, over and over again.

As for what people think of me: I don't personally know any of the people here and could care less what they think of me as a person...and I'll lay odds if half of the people here ever actually met who they think are their "buddies" they'd have a change of heart in a big hurry.

*Why do YOU care so much about me or what others you don't know...think about YOU?

It's a sign of insecurity.

Trooper York said...

Lyonnaise Tripe Recipe

Clean and boil a fresh honeycomb tripe, then cut into strips about two and a half inches long and half an inch wide sufficient to make two cups.

Put in a pan in the oven for a few minutes to draw out the water, then drain.

Melt a tablespoon of butter, add a teaspoon of finely chopped onion, cook to a delicate brown and add the tripe, a teaspoon of finely minced parsley, a teaspoon of vinegar and salt and pepper to taste.

Simmer five minutes and serve plain or on toast.

miller said...

"You will not run for president or vice president in 2008?"

"I will not."

ElcubanitoKC said...

Sounds tasty, Trooper

Trooper York said...

I had it with a spinach salad and a nice sangiovese last week. Yummy.

Michael said...

Miller - We're spending 10 billion a month in Iraq.

Period.

Michael said...

Dogs love tripe.

ElcubanitoKC said...

Trooper, that's the life, man, that's the life, or at least some of its pleasures.

Jen Bradford said...

I thought it was widely acknowledged by now that certain of McCain's physical limitations include combing his hair and using a keyboard. I don't get the fixation. What info is supposedly passing him by?

As for Obama acknowledging his working relationship with Ayers - he avoided it by calling hi "a guy who lives in my neighborhood." In the same way he should have immediately acknowledged that Wright was a racist jackass, he should have addressed Ayers' background and justified his belief that it was no longer relevant & his partnership with him. His reactions are less than honest, to coin a phrase...

Darcy said...

I just read @ The Corner (National Review) that Ayers and Dohrn raised the daughter of Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, who were convicted in the Brinks robbery where two police officers were killed.

I think for me, and certainly anyone younger than me, this kind stuff is not well known at all, and this even surprised me. It's fine that they helped their "friends" out, but I'd like to know what Ayers and Dohrn thought about that crime, not just the crimes they were wanted for, and for which they are still disgustingly unrepentant. Wouldn't most people?

Roger J. said...

Ok Trooper: I have to admit a prejudice here: I am a muscular skeletal tissue bigot. In an earlier life I did try goat intestines charred over a desert fire, but they were sandy, chewy and totally lacking in flavor.

My thought: throw out the tripe and drink the sangiovese--although a good montepulciano d'abruzzo would have been bettter.

Michael said...

Miller, If only half of what you and others here say about Obama is true, why are so many Americans supporting the man?

And what does it say about John McCain?

Your comment makes McCain look even less of a candidate.

Roger J. said...

Michael: you need to expand your culinary horizons--menudo is tripe based, as is Phildelphia Pepper pot. Time for some positive growth.

ElcubanitoKC said...

roger j, I have 22 years of starvation in me, so I'll eat anything, even rocks...

Michael McNeil said...

Plagiarizing Troll sez:
I provide the site information.

Lots of times you don't (you declared the other day that you didn't need to because this is only a “fucking blog”). Other times you plagiarize, presenting the text as your own.

Beyond that, it's extremely hypocritical for you to blast McCain's supposed lack of intelligence for his being largely unable to operate a computer due to his war injuries — when you fail to learn a simple bit of modern-day technology due to your idiocy and uncaring malevolence.

But, as I say, keep it up — we'll know you all the better as you are, Troll.

Trooper York said...

Rojer a tripe sandwich on a hard roll with a little bit of lettuce and onion with drizzled vinegar is as good as it gets.

Back in the day the old timers would make vastead which was lung meat that they served on a hard roll with a little ricotta and shaved provolone. That was hard core.

Michael said...

Darcy said..."I just read @ The Corner (National Review) that Ayers and Dohrn raised the daughter of Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, who were convicted in the Brinks robbery where two police officers were killed."

OLD NEWS.

There have been 100's of articles and many books that reported every aspect o the Ayers/Weatherman associations.

*Obama would have kept up with it, too...but he was only eight years old.

Jen Bradford said...

The other thing people keep saying that drives me nuts re Ayers is that "their kids went to school together". (Mara Liasson said this a couple of days ago, for example.) Ayers' kids are nearly adults now. The whole routine about how casual and inevitable their association was is both untrue and beside the point.

Roger J. said...

Ernesto: did you find your mothers recipe for black beans? A great cuban dish is rabos incendiarios--ever had that?

Michael said...

Michael McNeil - Are you falling in love with me or what?

Why not just ignore my comments and move on?

You're like a fucking small, whiny child trying to climb on his daddy's lap.

I don't CARE WHAT YOU THINK about ME...or ANYTHING for that matter.

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