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Ann,Has it dawned on you that the NYT is not a newspaper when it comes to politics?It's the PR arm of the DNC. Well a PAC anyway. The way Pinch is running it into the ground, it is clearly a Not-for-profit, even if they haven't told the SEC that officially. The IRS certainly knows :)
Agree with drill sgt above. The NYTimes is simply doing for Obama what Hillary did not.
Oh course you didn't Ann.
To quote a wise commenter: You hear what you expect to hear.
I though the same thing the other day when the selection of Biden was announced with the headline "Obama’s Pick Adds Foreign Expertise to Ticket".Biden's "expertise" in this area is entirely debatable.
Well, she did say the right words. Ya gotta admit that much. What I found interesting were the several cutaways to fairly closeup headshots of Michelle in the audience as speech went on. The tight expression on her face... I can't quite place it... Loathing?
I can't quite place it... Loathing?It's a thin line between love and hate.Or maybe she was bored. I would have been.
“…while seeking advice from her former strategist, Mark Penn, a loathed figure in the Obama camp.” The Karl Rove wannabe. Hillary’s evil doppelganger. “…she betrayed none of the anger and disappointment that she still feels…” That the upstart beat the upstart and does not even have the consideration to pay off her campaign debts, especially the five million dollars she owes Mark Penn. Mr. Clinton remains angrier than people realize about the Obama campaign’s portrayal of his wife as deceitful and of his administration as middling and his political tactics as, at times, racially charged. Let us see, Obama told the truth about the Clintons and Bill is upset? This is a good sign. There may be hope he does what he does best; put both feet in his mouth.Mr. Clinton became teary at several points during his wife’s speech… I’ll bet. There is a new rock star in town and he is the has been. The gravy train may have come to a halt. Elvis has left the building never to be heard from again.
To quote a wise commenter: You hear what you expect to hear.Exactly. And when you take seriously the lunar yodelings of someone like Maureen Down, well, that's not a big surprise.
Plea of unity! What I heard was Hillary politely washing her hands of this mess.
Actually, if everyone did basically hear what they wanted to hear, then Clinton pulled off a masterful performance. The Obama people will have heard a call for unity, the Clinton fans the pain of a spurned woman, to McCain fans an inadequate suckup to The One.
All this cheap comedy with bad acting. It will be over soon, I hope. It's cluttering up the TV channels.Latest NYT performance data:NEW YORK (AP) -- New York Times Co. said Tuesday that its July revenue from continuing operations fell 10.1 percent this year [past 12 months] as advertising revenue slipped 16.2 percent....The company's flagship The New York Times paper had 15.3 percent lower ad revenue. Couldn't happen to a nicer liberal birdcage liner. It comes complete with droppings, aka "news", so you don't even need a bird. Now that's customer consideration.
Echo Yachira. In its quaintly pre-youtube way, the NYT is going to tell the storyline that most helps Obama, regardless of what actually happened, on the hope that many people reading won't hear it.Now, let's see if this week's Time magazine dedicates the same amount of space and fawning to McCain as it did last week to its handjob journalism covering Obama.
You need to deconstruct Hillary!'s message. By the time she was done, O was more scarred than when she started. She was the woman scorned, the Everywoman-as-Amazon, the One hoped for and promised by all those suffragettes, she and her 18 million blocked by that one last glass ceiling (and who was doing the blocking, do you think?). She wanted everyone to know that, in rejecting her, they had screwed up big time. O should be very wary.Her choice of orange is the key to the whole thing. It's the color of the curse she was slyly casting over the whole O enterprise, even as she went through the motions and mouthed the words she had to say. Watch for a more masterful version of the same thing tonight when the Big Kahuna himself gets even, Clinton-style, albeit more directly than Hillary! did with her color coded curses.
There was a hilarious picture on Drudge where two male handlers were holding a variety of pantsuits of different (solid) colors, up at the podium, as if to get an idea of how well each would work with the stage setup.
So "No way. No how. No McCain. Obama is my candidate, and he must be our president" is really a clever way of saying "either don't vote, or vote for McCain." Okay. Got it.
Was the orange color perhaps a hattip to the town's beloved Denver Broncos?
Not what I heard either. I heard a resigned "OK, I'm going to do what I gotta do."The Times, MSNBC etc. remind me of all the other people than the little kid in "The Emperor's New Clothes."
Hmmm. I wonder what the DNC or the congressional leadership promised Hillary for her cooperation in "endorsing" Mr. Barely and asking for "Unity".
I wonder what the DNC or the congressional leadership promised Hillary for her cooperation in "endorsing" Mr. Barely and asking for "Unity".Why should a quid pro quo be involved? Credit Hillary! for some iota of intelligence -- I think she knows very well that her political fortunes are very much entwined with Obama's. If she cannot deliver her supporters' votes, why will Obama's supporters rally around her in the future?
Methadras said... Hmmm. I wonder what the DNC or the congressional leadership promised Hillary for her cooperation in "endorsing" Mr. Barely and asking for "Unity".Well they really need to replace Reid, but I doubt Reid promised her that.How about Chairwomen for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? That job would be open
I started out listening to the Fox panel for the post-speech analysis. They were pretty much in agreement the speech was pretty much about Hillary, with only the minimum required of her w.r.t. praising Obama. MSNBC (Mitchell) and CNN (Candy Crowley), however, were gushing over Hillary's unity message. So I went to PBS to break the "tie" (MSNBC and CNN are pretty much the same thing, right?) and I found Michael Beschloss opining that Hillary pretty much did only the minimum required of her w.r.t. praising Obama.
amba said..."Not what I heard either. I heard a resigned 'OK, I'm going to do what I gotta do.'"Unitas mirabile vinculum ex necessitum.
The head line of the Chicago Sun Times this morning said “SHE DELIVERED” with a picture of Hillary on TV and Obama watching. My first thought; was it human?
From what I read and the snippets I heard this was Hillary's speech in a nutshell:UNITE THIS!
It's words vs. deeds.Hillary said the words she had to say, nothing more.The NYT is easily seduced by magic words.Let's see what Bill and Hill actually do between now and the election.
There's also a basic problem with looking at Hillary to know what her supporters are going to do: it assumes that she controls her supporters, and I don't know that that premise holds. Clinton's a professional politician; she's used to getting disappointed, getting over it, and moving on. Her supporters aren't professional politicians. Many of them are angry, many of them haven't moved on, and some of them aren't going to move on. No matter what Hillary says, even if she genuinely and truly wanted her supporters to transfer to Obama, some of her supporters are going to stay home in the hopes of her beating McCain in 2012. That much is obvious and inarguable. The question for Democrats is whether that number is negligible, and if not, how to make it so, and the question for the McCain campaign is how to maximize and capitalize on this disaffection in the ranks.
"some of her supporters are going to stay home in the hopes of her beating McCain in 2012"And Nader voters hoped that they'd establish a 3rd party.
So if Obama looses to McCain and Hillary begins her 2012 run the day after the November election, will she have to run against Obama in the primaries again? Are we going to have another 4 years of Hillary/Obama soap opera? What? Obama won't run again? Why?And is this almost too much of a price to pay for McCain winning this one? Can anyone really stomach another 4 years of Hillary/Obama primary?
I guess if Hillary had won the nomination, Obama would have come on last night and delivered an impassioned declaration that he was sooooo glad she was the nominee, that he was obviously the lesser choice and by golly, thank goodness the delegates got it right.Or maybe he would have delivered a one-more-time, let me have my moment and while we're at it, let's not forget we're Democrats: Vote Hillary!
Beth, that's right. Clinton couldn't go on and pretend she didn't say all the things she said during the primary. She put herself in the box she had to speak from last night. Instead of contradicting herself (which you better believe would have been jumped all over by McCain and the press), the most genuine thing she can do is thank everyone for her support and then talk about how shitty McCain would be for the country. And then get out of the way of the person who's actually responsible for making the case for his candidacy.
mark said..."So if Obama looses to McCain and Hillary begins her 2012 run the day after the November election, will she have to run against Obama in the primaries again? ... What? Obama won't run again? Why?"So if Kerry loses to Bush, Edwards begins his 2008 run the day after, right? ... What? Kerry won't run again? Why?
Trevor Jackson said..."'some of her supporters are going to stay home in the hopes of her beating McCain in 2012' And Nader voters hoped that they'd establish a 3rd party."Those same voters now insist that they weren't responsible for costing Gore Florida and New Hampshire, even though it's a mathematical fact that Gore would have been President if 600 of Nader's voters in Fla. had supported Gore. Look, people act based on what they perceive is their best interest. If Hillary's supporters think she can beat McCain in 2012 and they don't like Obama, they're going to do what they're going to do even if you think they're crazy, Trevor. It's a rookie mistake to assume that people are going to act based on what you think is sensible, or what the pundits think is likely, or what a careful, dispassionate analysis might suggest is probable - they're going to act on their assessments, even if those assessments are wrong.
Simon, I don't think I was saying that they wouldn't stay home. Just that their hopes for a 2012 primary win for Hillary after an Obama loss are as silly as Green Party viability.
Trevor, FWIW I don't think they're silly, but that's not the real issue, and we seem to agree that it doesn't actually matter for purposes of assessing how Clinton supporters will act.
Lunar yodelings of Maureen Dowd. Oh, bless. That made my day!
Can anyone really stomach another 4 years of Hillary/Obama primary?Sure, by then I'll be a mummy with 2 or 3 rugrats, and no time for television, politics, and possibly blogs. There are plugs which power of electrical gadgets, you know. :PThe country, OTOH, can't take 4-8 years of Obama just because we want to avoid another Democratic Primary circus.
Hillary's speech was the opening speech of the Clinton 2012 presidential campaign. If Obama loses, the campaign will be visible. If Obama wins, the campaign will be waged by a shadow political party - the Clinton National Party. Hillary didn't say "I urge you to vote for Barack Obama. He's the most qualified candidate to lead our country." She merely said that she "supported" Obama.She also, by the way, said that she had a wonder daughter and a wonderful daughter, but failed to mention her husband.Hillary! 2012- divorced, leaner, meaner.
Hillary! 2012- divorced, leaner, meaner.Yyyyyep.Been telling Hillary to dump Bill for years now. Not sure she's been hearing me all the way in Florida.But I know at least 2 Clintonites who blame Bill for her primary woes. They just wish he would go away.It's nice to have Democrats share in Republican emotion.
James Carville was wearing Pumas around the convention, we're told...
Hillary masterfully said enough to claim she fully supported Obama, while leaving for McCain to exploit the issue that Obama is not ready to be president. Many of the media were either so stupid they missed it or so in the tank for Obama they ignored it. You have to think that while writing the speech there was consideration of whether to say anything positive about Obama on a personal basis, and Hillary decided not to. This is great entertainment.Now Bill has the same challenge tonight. If he and Hillary genuinely want Obama to win, Bill will lay on the personal praise of Obama, to make up for the omissions of last night. I doubt that we will see that. My guess is that is will be anothr version of Hillary's speech, stong support for the issues and democratic principles and, therefore, for voting for Obama, but not praise for the man other than as a gifted politician.Another con job from the Clintons. Who would have thought that?
He's the most qualified candidate to lead our countryWell, how can she say that, given what she's said in the Primary, and remain a viable candidate?Re-read trevor's 12:59 comment. He said it very well.Hillary cannot win with Bill, and she would not win after divorcing him. (What took her so long -- that's what everyone would be thinking, questioning her judgement). She can only win if he's 6 feet under.
She can only win if he's 6 feet under.That can be arranged. Narm!!!
I wasn't watching the speech, only listening to part of it, but did it seem to anyone else that her delivery had gone back to the mechanical-sounding speeches she used to give in days gone by? At the end of her campaign, she sounded much more interesting than she did in the speech last night. All that I've heard of that speech sounded read, and not with the passion that the NYT and other partisan journalists want to ascribe to it.
Well, how can she say that, given what she's said in the Primary, and remain a viable candidate?George HW Bush called Reagan's economic plan "voodoo economics" in 1980. In 1988 he ran for President on a promise of continuing Reagan's economic policies and won. Voters have short memories and are used to politicians contradicting themselves. They also understand that politicians speak in favor of their fellow party members even when they don't really like them.Simon, I don't think I was saying that they wouldn't stay home. Just that their hopes for a 2012 primary win for Hillary after an Obama loss are as silly as Green Party viability.Why not? It isn't likely Obama will be the nominee (the Democrats haven't re-nominated a losing candidate since Adlai Stevenson. Even if the previous election was a close one (e.g. Bush v Gore) they discard the old candidate in favor of a new one. Of the remaining possible contenders, Hillary is the clear favorite.
Hmmm. I'm not a fan of either Obama or certainly of Clinton. But an "emphatic plea for unity" was exactly what I heard last night.
Hmmm. I'm not a fan of either Obama or certainly of Clinton. But an "emphatic plea for unity" was exactly what I heard last night.You're not going to get links or sell papers with an attitude like that! If you're MoDo, just make up conversations you heard at the convention, add a reference to the classics and voila! you have a column. Or, if you're CBS just ignore completely what Hillary actually said and call in a body expert to determine what she really meant. Easy!
James Carville was wearing Pumas around the convention, we're told...damn it I really gotta go google this PUMA thing-
madawaskan -PUMA - People United Means ActionPUMA - Party Unity, My Ass!
Victoria,Unless you're planning twins, having three children by the time the next Presidential election cycle comes around--probably about two years and two months from now--is going to take some serious ded--well, wait, are you pregnant now?
Here's my on-topic question:If Obama loses, how many of the people praising Hillary's "unifying" speech today will turn around and blame he loss on Hillary's failure to bring her supporters into the fold?
Gawd-Thanks Blake I thought people were implying that they were "cougar" like old broads or somethin'.Talk about over thinking it.
well, wait, are you pregnant now?No. The rabbit lived. Whew.(Seriously, though. Twins run in my family, and in my prospective future husband's...I'm factoring that in) ;)
Thanks Blake I thought people were implying that they were "cougar" like old broads or somethin'.I thought the same thing, and had a hard time finding the actual meaning when I first saw it--last week? Not long ago.I think the puma:cougar connection is serendipitous. Heh.
Victoria,Ah, but will they be American twins, is the question....
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