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comments:1. What is not addressed is how did they keep local MSM reporters from attending? was it a DoD decision to restrict access or an Obama request?2. where did the video editting take place? Did DoD produce and distribute that entire segment? Or did the Obama campaign get video from DoD and prdouce the footage seen? or was that the result of MSM edits of either Obama release or DOd release? In any case, you are clearly seein one side of the events.3. The Obama interview released by ABC is fascinating. McCain said that Iraq was important to America and "he'd rather win the war, than te Presidency".In the Interview, Obama seems to say the opposite. Knowing what he knows now about the success of the surge, he would rather not have the surge and lose the war ... implying, "I'd rather Lose the war and be president" yea, I knoiw that's a stretch, but it was amazinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBO5s8NUOxw&eurl=http://www.powerlineblog.com/
Andrea Mitchell said: But we've not seen a presidential candidate do this, in my recollection, ever before.And to think there are still some Obama deniers out there who think the guy lacks the hairy testicles it takes to get out in front and make America great once more.What other proof would you have?
I am trying to job my last few remaining grey cells, but has a candidate for president ever done a foreign policy trip a la BOs? I am guessing there a whole bunch of foreign officials out there who are probably more than a bit suspicious about being blatently used for what will be domestic US campaign footage.Increasingly I am coming to see Obama as not only inexperienced, but egomaniacal. This is not a person I want as president. Can Hillary take a mulligan? Bill always does.
Good for Andrea for pushing back against the zombie drug that her colleagues have apparently all succumbed to.
Drill Sgt -- That's a brutal clip. Obama is right to reject the hypothetical, but he slips up and actually answers it. Then he tries to cover. His take on the war is increasingly incoherent.As far as I can make out, Obama's opposition against the Iraq war has devolved into an argument that our troops should be fighting in Afghanistan instead. He's not an anti-war candidate; he's just an anti-Iraq-war candidate.Can you imagine Eugene McCarthy arguing that he would pull troops out of Vietnam because the real fighting was in Cambodia?When Obama runs for re-election in 2012, and U.S. Troops are bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq is still unstable, and Iran is still recalcitrant, the folks that supported him in the primaries this year will regard him as a traitor. BRK BRK how many kids did you kill today?
Andrea Mitchell is a fake journalist.
Barack in Iraq. There's a great lampooning limerick to be made.
"Andrea Mitchell is a fake journalist."Doyle is a real asshole.
Great thought MM: here goes:There once was a man named BarackWhose ambition led to IraqShucking and jivingWithout satisfyingHis ass ended up in a crack.Apologies to good limerick authors everywhere.
"Some would say"...? C'mon. That's a classic hack formulation from a classic hack.Andrea's just cranky because she likes her men Republican and ancient.
Who actually thinks Andrea Mitchell is a "doyenne" of the left?what some would call fake interviews, because they're not interviews from a journalist.That's a funny comment for a blogger to highlight.
Shucking and jivingOh, I get it. Shucking and jiving -- black people do that. Wow, that's Dy-no-mite!
Who actually thinks Andrea Mitchell is a "doyenne" of the left?Who characterizes what wingnuts do as "thinking"?
Doyle - I note a little defensiveness in your tone; don't worry! Obama will get through this trip just fine. He still has all his base, who will never abandon him, and he will always have the MSM, which has banded together to ensure the few malcontents, like Mitchell, never get closer than harping distance to the chosen one.Did you see the little msn on-line survey yesterday, which showed that 79% of the respondents thought the press was essentially in the tank for Obama? My guess is that more than half of those respondents think that is a good thing.
Beth: no racist intent in the term--and frankly-if thats your concern, then shove it. I have had it with folks like you how see racism lurking in every thing that is uttered.
Yeah, Beth. Everyone knows that there's no racist connotation to "Shucking and Jiving" whatsoever, so call off your PC Gestapo!
Doyle: spare me all the etymological bull shit--you think I am a racist? shove it as well.
roger, I laugh at the juxtaposition of ass and crack. I pronounce Iraq and Barack to rhyme with crock though.
Yes Roger, Bravo. It takes a lot of courage to use a term that already came up in the primary as noteworthy for its offensiveness. Less principled wingnuts might not use racially loaded terms when referring to the black presidential candidate, but you're staying true to conservative values by doing so.
Shorter Roger:"I don't know what I'm saying but you're wrong to think it's racist."
But enough about Roger, lets have a show of hands: Who thinks McCain can win?
I Googled shuck and jive and didn't see anything particularly upsetting about the term. There are even restaurants called Shuck and Jive.This was interesting, from Yahoo answers: Best Answer - Chosen by Asker"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in power, both during the period of slavery and afterwards. The expression was documented as being in wide usage in the 1920s, but may have originated much earlier."Shucking and jiving" was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, "Oh, yes, Master," and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of "doin' the old shuck 'n jive."Today, the expression has expanded somewhat from earlier usage, and is now sometimes used to mean "talking pure baloney," "goofing off," or "goofing around." The original meaning of deceit often remains, however.2 years ago Source(s):I teach some African-American Studies courses.Bold supplied by me. Having known blacks almost all of my life, I've never heard any one of them get upset over the term.
I'm not surprised that a couple of crackers would be upset.
I think McCain can win, so I'll raise my hand. I don't think he will, but he can, given a particular chain of events.
"To shuck and jive" originally referred to the intentionally misleading words and actions that African-Americans would employ in order to deceive racist Euro-Americans in powerOh okay. For a minute there I thought it might be a term you might want to avoid in reference to black people!
I teach some African-American Studies courses.LOL
Doyle wants to live in a totalitarian state where journalists don't ask real questions and politicians are free to produce propaganda unchallenged.Anyone who questions the Dear Leader's actions will be denounced.
Sorry Doyle, but those words were expressed by the person who answered the question, not me, I forgot to put in the end quotes.
Doyle is not niggardly when it comes to hurling accusations of racism.
Doyle,I don't think McCain can win. At least half the voters have already decided on the not-Bush ticket. Who is on that ticket is less important to them.I could be wrong, tho.
These two quotes from the article and one of its member replies are both true:she has her reporter's pride and principles&She seems like she is indignant for not being there. I don't think she really cares what was shot, but she is the moderator and decides what gets on the air and no one else.Have no doubt, she is a post-Barbara Walters type of journalist, who sees no problem in hobnobbing with the elite in DC (including I'm sure Senator Obama many times), and thinking she's a hard-bitten reporter.But when these staged and editted photo-ops happen, journalists used to controlling what gets out there is extremely upset.Why this was done is easy to decode though.Obama and his team do not trust themselves anymore. Whenever someone in their camp opens their mouth, someone puts a Bigfoot in their mouth.Get ready for much more of this, from now on, Andrea.Cheers,Victoria
has a candidate for president ever done a foreign policy trip a la BOs?Roger, I know Clinton did in 1992. Kerry did too in 2004 (remember, he was welcomed with open arms in France. Afterwards, he let slip that "world leaders" all wanted him to president). I don't believe Bush Jr. did in 2000. No clue if Carter did, but I doubt it.The other post-War presidential candidates were extremely weighty men, from Eisenhower, to Nixon to Reagan, to Bush Sr.Kennedy had gone many times on foreign tours (famously behind the Iron Curtain with his mother in 1938. She spoke about it at length in her autobiography) since the 30s.They all had ample experience, both in theatre of war, and from their own political background.Not for nothing did the two Southern Governors, Carter and Clinton, seem like lightweights because they hadn't much foreign policy experience, even vicariously like Bush Jr's family gave him.Carter was a catastrophe in foreign policy. Clinton was saved by a more peaceful time, but I considered him much lacking in foreign policy.And guess what Obama shares in common with them?This makes me sick.Cheers,Victoria
Doyle wants to live in a totalitarian state where journalists don't ask real questions and politicians are free to produce propaganda unchallenged.I already did. It was called the United States ca 2001-2006.
To clarify, it's not that I disagree that it's important for Obama to answer tough questions from the press, and that he's done that pretty sparingly so far.But we currently have a sitting president who tells his subordinates that they aren't even answerable to Congress, let alone Andrea Mitchell. So if people want to get all burned up about government secrecy they'd do better to start with the sitting president.
Victoria--thanks; perhaps it is because I dont remember the extent of press coverage of previous candidates--of course maybe its all cognitive dissonance on my part.
AllenS: were you in Airplane? That was a great movie.
"Oh Stewardess, I speak Jive..."
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