March 14, 2007

"The agile, articulate Greta, with her keen legal mind and rugged, strong-jawed persistence, will be on the scene to unearth every lie!"

"Is Coulter truly oblivious to her gender weirdness? It's no coincidence that words like 'tranny' and transvestite' clog the anti-Coulter blogs."

The loves and hates of Camille Paglia. Often absurd, sometimes offensive.

51 comments:

StephenB said...

Hold the phone!!! Who is Paglia callin' a tranny?

hdhouse said...

One needn't resort to implications of sexuality to decry Ann Coulter. Just as Rush Drugbaugh has now taken to calling Edwards "Breck Girl", taking these shots at Coulter merely brings liberals to the same low level she exhibits.

I think calling Coulter a tasteless, selfpromoting bore is fine. It may be water off a duck's back (a drake perhaps???) but she has plenty going for her so that even Cheney could do "pull, shoot" and hit the mark.

Ann Althouse said...

Oh, Paglia's not saying it, don't you know? She's just observing the way other people are saying it... and what that means for her failure to openly talk gender-bending.

JohnAnnArbor said...

"The agile, articulate Greta, with her keen legal mind and rugged, strong-jawed persistence, will be on the scene to unearth every lie!"

Right. Waiting for Greta's in-depth investigation of Scientology.

Waiting....

Doug said...

I think Coulter was way out of line with her slap at Edwards, but it is hard to take many of her critics. Insults of her that I have read from people who proudly proclaim their progressivity include "Ann the Man" , "Mann Coulter", and "Annie the Tranny"

I have never read any of Coulter's books, I just don't trust her to keep things honest and in proper context any more than I trust Michael Moore to do the same thing.

Fitz said...

This constant reference to Ann Coulters “real” sexuality is something I see constant reference to in the GLBT blogosphere. I don’t like it much because I think she is a beautiful women & people are to harsh in criticizing women’s looks – but accusing them of really being a man is way over the top.

Lots of such references appear in the GLBT world about multiple inferences as to people’s sexual identity/true nature. I believe this serves the cause in as much as it works both as a weapon & feeds the ego’s of the gay world by a “we’re in the know, secret club, gaydar” type sentiment.

This seems to be part of the power of the term “homophobia” – It is both a accusation of bigotry while at the same time calling the accused “real” sexuality into question.

Ruth Anne Adams said...

Don't you have a "Paglia" tag for your posts?

Bruce Hayden said...

Nothing new about the Breck Girl tag for Edwards. It was in common usage during the 2004 election on conservative talk radio, esp., I believe by Rush. Not surprised though that Paglia laid into Coulter, since Edwards is apparently her dog in this contest. Heaven knows though how she can take him seriously though, esp. with his single campaign line of Two Americas, esp. as he is so obviously living in the first one.

What is interesting though is that despite being an obvious partisan here, she admits openly that the MSM (except for the despised Fox) are totally in the tank for the Democrats. I also found it interesting that she listens to Drudge.

Maxine Weiss said...

"What in tarnation....."--Paglia

Oh my God, it's Billy Clyde Tuggle from All My Children !!!!

Remember Billy-Clyde, and Estelle? Donna Beck Tyler, and Letty-Jean Jones from Locust Street in Center City !!!

(It was a soap thing.)

Anyway, with respect to Ann Coulter.

20 years from now, maybe sooner, Ann Coulter turns into...



ME !!!!


Peace, Maxine

Fitz said...

Did anyone see (couple weekends past?) C-Span lecture by Camille Paglia on the arts in America. I always liked her, and it was a pretty good talk.

FYI – It was Laura Ingram (I believe) who first started calling The Kerry/Edwards ticket “lurch (from the Addams family) & “shinny pony” – which I still find hilarious. Rush Breck girl comment is within bounds also. (its all about the hair) Coulter and the epithet however is out of bounds.

reality check said...

Oh, Paglia's not saying it, don't you know? She's just observing the way other people are saying it...

Are you honestly complaining that Paglia has stolen your modus operandi?

AJD said...

Often absurd, sometimes offensive.

A perfect new tag line for you, Annie!

Ruth Anne Adams said...

Re: "The Breck Girl" moniker. I think Rush popularized it, but I'm almost certain he did not originate it. His wife, Elizabeth may have referred to him that way and his campaign aides the last time handed out little bottles of Breck shampoo to the media. He's not going to cry foul on a self-inflicted wound.

Drew W said...

I'm not much of a Paglia reader, but her unwillingness to hit all the expected left-right marks is interesting, if nothing else.

What is this morbid obsession that liberals have with Fox? It's as if Democrats, pampered and spoiled by so many decades of the mainstream media trumpeting the liberal agenda, are so shaky in their convictions that they cannot risk an encounter with opposing views. Democrats have ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, the New York Times, Newsweek, Time and 98 percent of American humanities professors to do their bidding. But no, that's not enough -- every spark of dissent has to be extinguished with buckets of bile.

I'm glad these thoughts were expressed in Salon, regarding the Democrats' reaction to Fox News hosting their debate.

She also wrote:

What in tarnation was the Hillary Clinton camp thinking when it threw a tantrum about Hollywood producer David Geffen making a few critical remarks about her to a fagged-out media scold? Most people in this country have never heard of David Geffen and don't give a damn about whether or not he defects to Barack Obama.

Probably true, although I thought Geffen had greater name recognition than that -- but I was in the music biz, so my perspective would be skewed. And I'll admit that referring to Maureen Dowd as "fagged-out" confuses me. Obviously, Paglia's views on gender issues are a bit more, shall we say, elaborate than those of your average human.

(Semi-related digression: Over Christmas, a college-age friend of my college-age niece mentioned with dismay that she could only take one semester of Gender Studies at her school, instead of two. I was about to say, "That's probably because there are just so few genders," but thought the better of it.)

Maxine Weiss said...

No no no no no, Dianne Feinstein cannot run for President.

First of all Feinstein's had too many facelifts. Her husband has all kinds of skeletons---funny money, conflicts graft etc..(the usual). And, most importantly, there's been no significant legislation coming out of her office in the last 15 years. On the contrary, you can trace the destruction of California directly to her taking office.

BURLAP: I wrote about Burlap last fall. It's the new Cotton! Burlap is everywhere, it's the hot new thing. Everyone out her is swathing themselves in it, slathering beige burlap on walls and floor treatments, table clothes etc..

Burlap is big, just as I forecast it would be, a full 7 months before Paglia even gets around to noticing!

Peace, Maxine

JohnAnnArbor said...

“shinny pony”

Wasn't it "silky pony"?

StephenB said...
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StephenB said...

Oh, Paglia's not saying it, don't you know? She's just observing the way other people are saying it...

So if someone said something like It's no coincidence Mary says Althouse is a hack you wouldn't be offended by the speaker, right? You'd just be offended by Mary?

Michael Farris said...

"I'll admit that referring to Maureen Dowd as "fagged-out" confuses me"

Me too, but then I decided she was spontaneously borrowing from British usage, in which "fagged out" means 'worn out' which makes a little more sense.

Michael Farris said...

No matter what you think of Coulter's opinions, it's hard to deny that Paglia has a point about Coulter's gender dissonance.

She's got an adam's apple, a _really_ low voice and her body language is a lot less traditionally feminine than most mens' (she usually looks to me like she's auditioning for "quien es mas macho?".

Calling her Man Coulter or the like isn't nice, but why be nice to Ann Coulter?

AJ Lynch said...

I enjoy reading both Paglia and Coulter- what does that mean? That I enjoy hard-hitting, no pulling punches, cut the bullshit, at times vitriol-filled commentary? Yeah I guess that is it. Professor Althouse supplies her share of that too.

I like to think it is honest, gritty insightful opinion with a dash of emotion and heart. I don't get that from beltway pundits or talking-points party operatives.

Pogo said...
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Pogo said...

Re: "...but why be nice to Ann Coulter?"

I can see why Coulter generates such animosity amongst her detractors. Certainly, she aims to achieve exactly this effect.

Nevertheless, to meet her invective with a return volley of the same bile, is merely to complain that one's ox is being gored. That is, one is not claiming any general principle of moral argumentation or ethical behavior, instead this devolves into a junior high slap fest.

As a result, one is left simply complaining that one side has better insults than the other. In that manner, Coulter is correct in her methods. To reject her methods, one must not repeat her methods.

Michael Farris said...

My position on Coulter. I'm not going to heap verbal abuse on her, but I don't extend the normal human courtesies to her either (yes, IMHO there's a difference).

Among other reasons I can't imagine that she has any use or desire for courtesy.

Pogo said...

Re: "but I don't extend the normal human courtesies to her either"

I see little difference between calling Edwards a fag and calling Coulter a tranny. While one does not need to be polite to people who do not warrant such grace, you can't simultaneously complain about Edwards being called a "shiny pony" and then call her "Man Coulter".

Otherwise you have nothing to stand on, just more "bile from me, but not from thee" nonsense. Either that method of discourse is okay, or it's not.

MadisonMan said...

Maxine, the question becomes: Does Camille Paglia spit out her words like Billy Clyde Tuggle did? And who will play Dixie to Camille's Billy Clyde? Where's Tad?

Michael Farris said...

I didn't complain about calling edwards a 'shiny pony' (which is funny). I didn't comlain about calling him a 'faggot' (which is not and reflects worse on her than on him).

I don't call her Man Coulter either.

Pretty much all I can say about Coulter: Either she really believes the things she says and writes or she doesn't and just does it for the money/publicity. Neither option says anything good about her.

Jack said...

Hold the phone!!! Who is Paglia callin' a tranny?Yes but read the next sentence: "Coulter is a smart woman with formidable energy, and whether liberals like it or not, she is a high-profile feminist role model in her appetite for aggressive debate." Both descriptions are perfectly applicable to Paglia as well and she has always admitted her gender-ambivalence (exulted in it, you might say). So the implication of hypocrisy is out of place.

I'm glad Paglia is back but I wish she would get a real blog and stop messing about with these Salon folks.

hdhouse said...

is the term "skank" gender neutral?

Ann Althouse said...

"So if someone said something like It's no coincidence Mary says Althouse is a hack you wouldn't be offended by the speaker, right? You'd just be offended by Mary?"

Do I need sarcasm tags?

StephenB said...

The agile, articulate Greta, with her keen legal mind and rugged, strong-jawed persistence...

Has no one noticed the "strong-jawed" comment about Greta van Susteren. Is it just a coincidence that Paglia referred to Great as having "strong-jawed persistence" when she has those dental implants that make her talk out one side of her mouth?

StephenB said...

Sarcasm tags would be good, but what would be even better is tags for posts with comments that mention tags.

StephenB said...

And sorry, I'm in the middle of a term paper about strategic behavior in legal interpretation. Sarcasm is lost on me today. I should just get back to work.

Bissage said...

I have printed Pogo's 1:16 comment onto a piece of paper, cut it out with scissors and tacked it to my cork board.

(It's an ox thing.)

reality check said...

So in fact you are complaining that Paglia is doing what you yourself do several times each day.

Got it.

Maxine Weiss said...

"I have printed Pogo's 1:16 comment onto a piece of paper,"


Pogo's comments require a permanent place to endure into perpetuity.

Yet, my comments are nothing but banal tripe ?

Hurts my feelings, you know.

Peace, Maxine

Radish said...

The thing that troubles me is that the people who hurl "transvestite!" at Ann Coulter as an INSULT generally consider themselves supporters of the GLBT community. Diversity training and safe space and "straight but not narrow" and Brandon Teena and all that.

I assume they're lying to someone--that their true feelings are anti-transpeople and slamming Ann Coulter is a "safe" way to let the feeling out without startling their friends (or maybe they find her attractive and their psyches can't handle it).

Maxine Weiss said...

Radish: Don't overthink it. Relish the entertainment value and spectacle of it all.

It's fun living in a sort of P.T. Barnum World with these manic gadabouts like Paglia, Coulter..

...and Althouse.

Well, Althouse isn't manic, although a bit too calm if you ask me.

Peace, Maxine

Maxine Weiss said...

Paglia Quotes:

"after I burst on the national scene in 1990" --Paglia

"At the Popeye's drive-through (where I was ordering Cajun wings), I blurted in agitation to the window lady, ""Anna Nicole Smith just dropped dead -- tell everyone!"" -- which she promptly did. The staff inside (all African-American) were startled and incredulous." --Paglia

"ABC's "Nightline" called via my publisher for comment, but I felt far too upset to go on TV."--Paglia

"My circuits began visibly to sputter and fry, like the overloaded mega-computer at the end of "Desk Set," --Paglia

Pogo said...

Re: "I assume they're lying to someone"

I agree. That tendency has been noted before in matters of race and gender. I've always thought this was a curious way for supposedly progressive and thoughtful people to engage in debate. I understand name calling and all that, but the liberal use of terms that would in any other setting be termed racist, sexist, or "creating a hostile environment" simply exposes the writer for what he or she is.

That is, not a true believer, but an unprincipled cynic. Such a person does not actually believe in their message, they merely want the power to enforce their message. In reality, it could be any message at all. Internal consistency and probity are therefore not required, for the message is merely a path to power.

Bissage said...

Maxine, have you no shame?

Manipulating me that way.

And me so happy to oblige.

So I’ll say it again.

So you can be sure:

Bissage said...

Maxine is a precious jewel and quite possibly the savior of us all. I hope she never dies!

(Okay. I stole that last bit from “The Lion in Winter.”)

8:47 PM


There you have it.

And so very true.

Love, Bissage

Mortimer Brezny said...

You don't have to be "anti-transpeople" to realize that shit is fucking weird.

Craig Ranapia said...

Offensive? Well, I thought Paglia's take on Coulter was quite astute: And like it or not (particularly on her slovenly books that should not be on any respectable publisher's non-fiction list), I don't think I'm the only person to observe that much of Coulter's hard-right fan club would probably s**t their pants and call for an exorcist if their daughters or wives displayed such 'unwomanly' agression and a dress sense that is far from modest.

LoafingOaf said...

I wouldn't be surprised if Paglia is an Althouse reader. I think they have a lot on common. I mean that as a compliment.

TMink said...

Like AJ, I enjoy both Paglia and Coulter, though the former more than the latter. I find them both entertaining, but Paglia makes me think on occasion, something that Coulter never does.

Does anybody else think that Paglia may have Apserger's syndrome? NTTAWWT.

Trey

reality check said...

Hey Trey,

Are you sure you're a psychologist? A) It's Asperger's syndrome, and not Apserger, and
B) I thought that psychologists (with the exception of rightwing nutbag ones like dr. helen and dr. sanity) had some ethics about not diagnosing people that you haven't met.

I have to say that A) and B) are considered perfectly fine by 48 year olds that still live in their parent's basement.

Maxine Weiss said...

Have the Coulter-haters actually ever read her book (Godless) ?

I actually read 3/4 of it. I read everything but the last part, the one about Evolution.

The book didn't feel the least bit "slapped together". As a matter of fact every single paragraph in that book is foot-noted. I was actually irritated at having to turn to the back after every paragraph to read the extensive "notes" section. (I go over everything with a fine-tooth-comb, though)

So, I don't know what Paglia's talking about when she slams Coulter's book.

Godless was very stirring, and thoughtful, but extremely (overly) researched.

In addition to the usual Coulter one-liners.

As for this F-word imbroglio. The whole thing is so maudlin, with all these people claiming they've some how been "effected" and injured by the word.

Nothing but maudlin drivel!

Peace, Maxine

Craig Ranapia said...

Maxine:

Yes I have, and I see no reason to change my opinion that Coulter's books - like Michael Moore's - should not be on any respectable publisher's non-fiction list. Sorry, but I thought Paglia was right: Coulter is smart enough to write a carefully argued and coherent book (though one I may vehemently disagree with), but I don't think she really bothers - and her publishers don't demand it of her. Disjointed ranting that's just about tolerable in a 800 word column is near unreadable in what's supposed to be a full-length book of political advocacy.

And, Maxine, David Irving's works of Holocaust denial are full of foot and endnotes too. What a shame that he's been proved to either systematically distort, or outright falsify material that doesn't fit his thesis. Professor Althouse might like to chime in on why that's generally frowned on the academic community.

LoafingOaf said...

Maxine:
As for this F-word imbroglio. The whole thing is so maudlin, with all these people claiming they've some how been "effected" and injured by the word.


The socially conservative right-wing hates gay people. It's not that Coulter saying a joke injures people. It's that she's appauded and supported, and she represents, a major element of the Right that can't stand gay people and denies them equal rights under the law. Every time I vote for a Republican I feel some amount of guilt because Republicans are in bed with such people.

TMink said...

Reality Check went back to his old ways after one salient, well written post and typed: "Hey Trey,

Are you sure you're a psychologist?"

Yes, I am indeed sure. In fact, it is never a question for me, my patients, or the people who pay me every day. It does seem to be a question for you though! Most people have other, more weighty questions that plague them: Is there a God, What is the true nature of mankind, Why can't the liberal ideologues take a joke? But I am flatered by your fascination with the status of my vocation. It is nice to have a fan.

"A) It's Asperger's syndrome, and not Apserger,"

Thanks for catching the typo. My dyslexia makes me one of the world's worst at catching them. I could pay you a couple of bucks an hour to do it on a regular basis!

"B) I thought that psychologists (with the exception of rightwing nutbag ones like dr. helen and dr. sanity) had some ethics about not diagnosing people that you haven't met."

Well, there is the problem, you are confusing what you do with thinking! As I have posted before, a diagnosis is a formal matter, not coffee talk. This is coffee talk, kool aide in your case, as the coffee is hot and can scald.

Nut bag?!? Are you calling us scrotums? What is a nutbag? I tried dictionary.com but all I got was "There are no dictionary entries for nut bag, but nut, bag are spelled correctly." While it was a minor victory that I spelled both words correctly, I was still mystified. So I persevered.

On google I found the urban dictionary and these definitions: "a female who likes to give oral sex" and "someone who does the thorazine shuffle, and talks to stuff." Well, I am a man, so that rules out the first, so I guess you mean the second.

While you are dumb as a post, I think you are indeed animate. Also, I have never required thorazine or any other anti-psychotic medications, thank God and my patience with knee jerk ankle biters such as yourself.

"I have to say that A) and B) are considered perfectly fine by 48 year olds that still live in their parent's basement."

Not sure where you meant to be going with that insult pal. I am 47, so you were close on my age! Bravo! Sadly, my parents are deceased and they did not have a basement. And I am not sure my family would fit in the basement if it did indeed exist. But I would LOVE to have my parents back and would give living in their basement a try to have them with me again.

But keep posting, I figure in another 400 or so you will come up with another excellent post like the one you made recently on global warming.

Your friend and idol,

Trey

Craig Ranapia said...

As for this F-word imbroglio. The whole thing is so maudlin, with all these people claiming they've some how been "effected" and injured by the word.

Maxine: Well, I guess it's now open season to call you a 'c**t', 'anorexic whore', 'retarded bitch' or 'drag queen features' when I disgaree with you.

Interesting side bar, though, I saw Coulter on Hannity & Colmes and she quite visibly bristled when asked if she'd have stood up at C-PAC and described Barack Obama using a (unspecifified but clearly implied) racial slur. I don't think that was put on, she wouldn't call Obama a 'nigger' or 'boy', let alone try and spin that as a 'schoolyard taunt'.

What's that about, Maxine? Why is it that when she was looking to cast aspersions on John Edwards' masculinity, the F-bomb was dropped without a second thought?