January 26, 2007

Is it getting obvious that Sharpton can't stand Obama?

The two men pose in front of a painting of Thurgood Marshall:



Click on the (terrific) picture to enlarge it. Can you read the body language? The priceless expression on Sharpton's face?

Sharpton also met with Chris Dodd, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton yesterday... and declined to make any endorsements.
Obama said the two talked about their shared agenda of fighting for the dispossessed. "I assured him that I not only want to hear his views and thoughts and policy recommendations, but publicly any of us who step into this fight for the nomination have to be held accountable and speak to these issues," he said.

Sharpton said they talked about economics, health care and education issues. "We are going to keep talking and he knows I'm talking to everybody," he said.

The normally loquacious Sharpton was unusually curt and cut off further questioning by saying he was behind schedule. But he told reporters who followed him that he would decide about his own candidacy "once I see what these guys do or don't do."
The normally loquacious Sharpton was unusually curt...

Is it getting obvious that Sharpton can't stand Obama?

MORE: Here:
“I left the meeting a little curious, feeling that he was noticing our civil rights agenda, but I didn’t understand what his civil rights agenda is,” Mr. Sharpton said.

He was noticing our civil rights agenda ... Noticing! Come on, that's harsh!

45 comments:

Simon said...

If so, Obambi's stock is going up in my book.

Richard Fagin said...

Let's see, what's Al's civil rights agenda? Oh yeah! Slander a police detective and nearly start a race riot over a false claim of a hate crime. That's the ticket! Let's hope Senator Obama notices Al's civil rights agenda, and gives the "reverend" a well deserved public rebuke.

Kirk Parker said...

Darn! Simon beat me to it. Yes, it's definitely a "strange new respect for Obama" moment for me, too.

Mike said...

Simon beat me to it.

Mark the Pundit said...

The absolute worst thing Obama could do is to suck up to "civil rights leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

You might gain the votes of the Tawana Brawleys of the world, but you lose almost all of the white support you had.

Anonymous said...

Well, if white Americans are ready and willing and, indeed, anxious, to vote for a black candidate, it undercuts a lot of Sharpton's rhetoric...

I have reservations about Obama because I think he's a bit too much of a dove and, well, I prefer smaller government (i.e. I'm a Republican), but I do see his potential as a unifying national leader.

Anonymous said...

That is a great picture. Sharpton is skepticism/annoyance personified.

Freddie's Fashion Mart is just one of many reasons why it is a disgrace that Sharpton is embraced by Democrats.

Obama could be a great unifying force if he could make it out of the Dem primaries without embracing Sharptonism. But he can't so he won't.

There is another fun thing I hadn't even thought about. Jackson, Sharpton etc have a great relationship with Bill. They'll be able to torpedo Obama and Hillary's prints won't be anywhere near the scene of the crime.

Zeb Quinn said...

The irony is that the phenomenon known as Obama is 100% about race 100% of the time. To liberal whites he's the Great Black Hope and to blacks he isn't sufficiently black.

If his mama had instead taken up with a Swede, and the rest of his bio and bona fides were otherwise the same, he'd be on nobody's radar, let alone be spoken breathlessly about as a presidential contender.

It's all race. There's no other component.

Coco said...

I also love how the picture has framed Obama and Sharpton on opposite sides of the picture of Marshall. Two very different men and two very different approaches to civil rights.

RogerA said...

Re the pic, and an exercise for observers: fill in the blanks
The Good........
The Bad.........
The Ugly........

Anonymous said...

Obama is half white and what's worse, "white acting"
He probably also refrains from the fake down-home private ebonics that populists like Sharpton (and Oprah) love to affect when they need to "keep it real".

MadisonMan said...

Is Sharpton annoyed in the photo, or just plain bored? Imagine having to meet with a bunch of Presidential Candidates right in a row. Sure, it was Sharpton's choice, but still! My eyes would be glazing over too.

Anyway, I agree that if BHO is annoying the good Rev by not kowtowing to him, it can only help Senator.

Anonymous said...

Zeb wrote: "It's all race. There's no other component."

I disagree. Senator Obama has charisma to spare. He reminds me of Harold Ford Jr here in Tennessee. I love to listen to Mr. Ford speak. He is intelligent, articulate, and charismatic! Differing from the Senator, he talks conservative. It is Mr. Ford's votes that turned me off.

Same with the Senator. Anyone with his charismatic and intellectual gifts would get lots of attention. That he is a black man certainly does not hurt.

And that is OK with me. I want black people to succeed too! It is good for the country when people from all races and backgrounds succeed. That is why I am proud that the coaches in the Superbowl are of African descent.

But if "not being black enough" means having command of the English language, having a great education, and success in something besides sports, entertainment, or crime (see Felon magazine) then what is wrong in the black community that they tolerate or even promote such harmful attitudes?

Trey

Revenant said...

Yeah, I guess I have to hop on the "this makes me like Obama more" bandwagon.

If his mama had instead taken up with a Swede, and the rest of his bio and bona fides were otherwise the same, he'd be on nobody's radar, let alone be spoken breathlessly about as a presidential contender.

Maybe, maybe not... Edwards is considered a presidential contender for some bizarre reason, and he's no more qualified than Obama is.

Too Many Jims said...

"The irony is that the phenomenon known as Obama is 100% about race 100% of the time."

I don't think this is the case. I went to a speech by David Brooks last night and he, unsolicited, was singing the praises of Sen. Obama. I don't think he mentioned race at all in his comments. What he did mention is Obama's ability to articulate his opponent's arguments better and more concisely than his opponent is able to.

Too Many Jims said...

I prefer smaller government (i.e. I'm a Republican)

This relationship does not seem at all self evident to me at this point. Unless you see passing the biggest entitlement in the last 30 years, expanding discretionary spending, exploding "earmarks" and continuing ill advised subsidy programs as "smaller government."

Anonymous said...

Is it getting obvious that white people seem to think all black people should like each other?

Also, kudos for publishing the comments of Zeb Quinn and Jeff. Lesser bloggers might be embarrassed to attract the stormfront.org crowd.

vbspurs said...

Re the pic, and an exercise for observers: fill in the blanks

The Good? At least they're in the same room together.

The Bad? Ooh, stark opposites in style, even down to their ensemble/tie choices. Barack unconsciously went with an I'm Blacker Than You black suit, but tempered it a silver tie to suggest his hidden white agenda.

The Ugly? As ever, the Mary Tyler Moore flip hairdo sported by Rev. Sharpton.

Cheers,
Victoria

Simon said...

Jeff said...
"Obama is half white and what's worse, 'white acting'"

The premise that anyone thinks there is such a thing as "white acting" or "black acting" is deeply troubling. This is the same crap that people use to justify hurling appalling slurs at Condi Rice, Michale Steele, Clarence Thomas et al.

John said...

There is a good reason why Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the rest of the race panderers have reason to fear Obama. If Obama, or any black man wins the presidency, race pandering is dead. Jesse and Al's entire schtick is that black people can't make it in a white country, and need race preferences, welfare, etc just to survive. How can any of these things be justified if a black man is president? At that point, the emperor will truly have no clothes, and any complaints about African Americans being held down by "the man" will be proven to have no merit, when a big chunk of those evil white males will have voted to be led by a black man.

I'm not an Obama supporter by any stretch, but I can understand why Al and Jesse might be worried about his candidacy.

ed said...

Hmmm.

Obama's an absolute liberal/lefty. So no thanks.

Michael said...

My question is, why doesn't Obama realize that by this point, he should do everything he can to avoid being photographed at all with Sharpton? It's only slightly better than being photographed with O.J. Simpson or Idi Amin.

JackTanner said...

well hopefully Obama will be an equal opportunity ass clown repellant

Anonymous said...

this is all so catty! ho cares?
I'm a Jew. I'm a Democrat. I can't stand Joe Lieberman. Does he give a hoot? Nah.

Worry about a candidate that is in office and thinking of a higher office. Like him or not. Stop getting your undies in a knot over this one and that one of the same race likes or does not like the guy...very silly thing, right out of Peoples Magazine

josh said...

Here's a different picture and take on the issue: http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/01/obama_confident.html. Seems Obama and Sharpton look pretty friendly in the Tribune's picture.

Course, that wouldn't support "moderate" opining about Obama, so why bother.

Quo Vadis said...

I like Obama for a number of reasons among them his unwillingness to conform to the ideals of the likes of Sharpton, but I've heard that the Hollywood crowd is taking a shine to him so I think I'll have to re-assess my opinion of him.

Anonymous said...

Sharpton has run before. Sharpton is running again (enter "Sharpton" in the news section of any seaarch engine). Sharpton is furious that there is another black man with better chance to be President than he does. Sharpton actually thinks he would have a reasonable chance to be President if there were no such thing as Obama. Sharpton is a buffoon.

Anonymous said...

Sharpton: "saying he was behind schedule."

What a busy man Sharpton must be, all that civil rights work to accomplish,n'all.

vbspurs said...

I'm a Jew. I'm a Democrat. I can't stand Joe Lieberman. Does he give a hoot? Nah.

Yes, but Jews are minorities perceived to be rich and powerful.

Blacks are minorities perceived to be poor and under-represented.

Thus, say people who think this way, what you can afford to discount as a Jew, is not something that many black Americans are ready or willing to discount for potential leaders.

It's the argument of strength in numbers, but also, strength in unity of ideology -- which the bourgeois Obama embodies the opposite of.

Of course, all of this infighting and blacker-than-thou'ism is monumentally silly.

This is excess baggage your average, non-black voter just looks at, and wants to run a mile from.

(As well as Hillary's own personal baggage, effectively cancelling each other out, of course)

I'm sure Sharpton and Obama will sort this out, by Iowa...

Cheers,
Victoria

boston70 said...

What does Sharpton mean by "his civil rights agenda"? The reason most people have such a negative impression of him and Jesse Jackson is the only time we see them is at some protest/rally. After awhile, this wears this-which happened about 20 years ago. I wander how much influence Sharpton has now in the black community.

I don't agree with much of what Sharpton represents but I do find him amusing at times.

Obama's smooth. I admit, I like to listen to him talk. It doesn't hurt that he is hot too. I have no clue what he stands for but he is enoyable to hear and see.

Hilary will kick him in the teeth in the primaries though.

M. Simon said...

Obama voted socialist when he was in the Illinois legislature.

However, I still voted for him over theocon Keyes. Can't abide theocons.

Anonymous said...

Projection thy name is Althouse!

Adjoran said...

Sharpton has previously indicated he finds Edwards' "agenda" most appealing of the early candidates - but he is still, of course, considering another run on his own.

I must disagree with the above comment that Sharpton thinks he can win. He doesn't, naturally. He's a huckster, a con man, and a cheat, but he is no fool.

Sharpton reveled in the free spotlight last time, and went first class in the campaign - leaving a trail of unpaid bills from four-star hotels and limo services behind. Why NOT run again? It isn't as if he can't afford to take the time away from his "job."

Mr. Snitch said...

"If Obama, or any black man wins the presidency, race pandering is dead. Jesse and Al's entire schtick is that black people can't make it in a white country, and need race preferences, welfare, etc just to survive."

Bullseye, John. Well said. Obama not only does not advance Sharpton's self-promotional agenda, but he makes Al look, by contrast, like a pathetic, RACIST caricature. Jesse's in pretty much the same boat, much as he strives to present himself as a cut above Sharpton - but not SO far above that Al feels threatened.

If Obama should win the presidency (and it's a LONG way from here to there), both Sharpton and Jackson will be obliged to condemn him. There is no advantage to them doing so at this time, not with Obama riding the crest of a wave of approval. Criticizing Obama would only erode their bases right now, and keep them far from the warm and fuzzy Obama publicity glare. Yet if they come out too strongly in favor of Obama now, they'll have problems among their followers later.

At the same time, Sharpton knows he is going to be used and dumped. Jackson does, too. Neither of them is willing to spend much political capital on Obama, who will only distance himself from both of them in the long run.

So - what you're seeing in that picture, actually, is not Sharpton's 'dislike' of Obama. What you are seeing is a man who is in a very uncomfortable (and untenable) position.

Anonymous said...

this is all so catty! ho cares?
I'm a Jew. I'm a Democrat. I can't stand Joe Lieberman. Does he give a hoot? Nah.

Worry about a candidate that is in office and thinking of a higher office. Like him or not. Stop getting your undies in a knot over this one and that one of the same race likes or does not like the guy...very silly thing, right out of Peoples Magazine


It's a weird phenomenon, the media, and our friends on the right just can't help themselves. 99% of the coverage is solely on Democratic candidates, building ridiculous straw men they can tear down. Ironically, I don't see any great excitement from liberals of any of the candidates, quite honestly.

Hillary is outpolling Obama 2-1, but it seems people just can't wrap their brain around the fact that a black person might favor a white candidate, at least initially. This is Ann's what, 3rd post on Sharpton/Obama "controversy"? If Sharpton was hearting Obama, I'm guessing that would be a "controversy" too. How immature is that?

Wouldn't conservatives be better off promoting their candidates instead of focusing entirely on tearing down Dem candidates? If I was a conservative I would be hurling chunks by the wall-to-wall Hillary/Obama coverage. I know I am. My guy Bill Richardson hasn't a prayer, and it has nothing to do with him being the most qualified, (especially in Foreign Relations), which we desperately need, and everything to do with stupid high-school D.C. Dirt.

RebeccaH said...

If Obama is running for president, then I don't want him to be black, or half-white, or any other damn thing except American. If he wants to be president, he must speak for all Americans, not just some, and that's what Sharpton and his ilk can't tolerate.

Mortimer Brezny said...

The vast majority of black people hate Al Sharpton. No, I can't prove that. Yes, it is true.

Obama is just trying to get Sharpton not to run a ruin his candidacy, like Sharpton did to Dean. Shaprton being in the race helps Clinton and allows her to pander more effectively.

Zeb Quinn said...

Zeb wrote: "It's all race. There's no other component."

I disagree. Senator Obama has charisma to spare. He reminds me of Harold Ford Jr here in Tennessee.


Yeah, he is charismatic. Yeah, he is well-spoken. But it's the fact that he's a young man of the racial composition that he is that has those qualities that makes him special. If he were white with precisely the same credentials and qualities, while he'd he'd be a successful man, would he be regarded as being presidential material? A 45-year old first-term senator? No way. His race is everything.

MPH said...

"Simon said...

If so, Obambi's stock is going up in my book."


Exactly their plan...its all politics and it seems Obama understands the art of war very well...Obama benefits by staying cold to Sharpton in order to court voters who don't know him but fear he would be a radical on race relations. I believe you may be falling into just such a trap.

I'm starting to think Obama is unbeatable in '08.

Mortimer Brezny said...

But it's the fact that he's a young man of the racial composition that he is that has those qualities that makes him special.

Yeah, JFK was special only because he was Roman Catholic. Sheesh.

Kyda Sylvester said...

I have reservations about Obama because I think he's a bit too much of a dove and, well, I prefer smaller government (i.e. I'm a Republican), but I do see his potential as a unifying national leader.

I fail to see how uber-liberal Obama can "unify" this small government, low tax, strong national defense conservative. What exactly will he (can he) offer people like me? Style can only count for so much.

Kyda Sylvester said...

I have reservations about Obama because I think he's a bit too much of a dove and, well, I prefer smaller government (i.e. I'm a Republican), but I do see his potential as a unifying national leader.

I fail to see how uber-liberal Obama can "unify" this small government, low tax, strong national defense conservative. What will he (can he) offer people like me? Style can count for only so much.

LoafingOaf said...

Is it getting obvious that Sharpton can't stand Obama?

If you read too much into a photograph.

Just saw Sharpton on the O'Reilly Factor where he spent most of the interview praising Obama. Not gushingly, but nice enough.

His position is that he doesn't want the issues he cares about taken for granted. It doesn't mean he "can't stand" Obama just because he's not automatically giving Obama his endorsement. Why would he do that when he can make the candidates try and win him over?

vbspurs said...

I must disagree with the above comment that Sharpton thinks he can win. He doesn't, naturally. He's a huckster, a con man, and a cheat, but he is no fool.

I couldn't agree more, Adjoran.

I'd say he is the Carol Mosley-Braun of black male candidates, only not as above-board about his lack of chances.

Sharpton runs because he likes the room service.

Cheers,
Victoria

Anonymous said...

I fail to see how uber-liberal Obama can "unify" this small government, low tax, strong national defense conservative. What will he (can he) offer people like me? Style can count for only so much.

Well, there are some things that can never be united into one.

But his speeches about "one America" are promising -- if we're going to be stuck having a president from the left (and these things do happen), he seems less bad than the others.

We're not always going to have presidents who mirror our own political philosophy. Obama at least isn't unpleasant about it.

That counts for something.

[Still, Giuliani in '08!]