९ नोव्हेंबर, २०२६

"What happened today?"

ADDED: The video identifies itself as "Made with AI/Sounds or visuals were altered or fully generated." Mental note: Everything good is fake.

ALSO: I tested my "Everything good is fake" hypothesis on Grok, and it told me that's "too strong," because "Real versions of those moments still happen all the time; they’re just harder to find in the algorithm because they tend to be messier, less optimized, and less consistently produced. The AI ones are often cleaner, more consistent, and engineered to hit the emotional beats efficiently."

That made me think of how fiction works on us — I was recently entranced by the first 9 minutes of the movie "Moonstruck." I realized that I was invested in the story and the characters in a deep way. Everything was so clear and effective. So strategic. That's fiction. Of course, it's fake.

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mccullough म्हणाले...

The AI ruins it

rcommal म्हणाले...

AI or not, that there is some excellent grandparenting! Great example for excellent parenting, too.

Not an oldster. म्हणाले...

Get real, ann.
You'll be happier, more satisfied in a long-lasting way.
Groundhog Day living doesn't get old down there in madtown?

rcommal म्हणाले...

[start virtual italics]Everything was so clear and effective. So strategic. That's fiction. Of course, it's fake.[end virtual italics].

Excellent point, Althouse. And I'm seeing a theme emerging so far today... . I love it when you do that.

rcommal म्हणाले...

Now I'm pondering the notion of "good-fake" vs. "bad-fake," and I'm talking effects as opposed to quality here. I should probably add in "mixed-fake" and "ambiguous-fake."

n.n म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
rcommal म्हणाले...

"Entranced" is an excellent word choice in this post.

n.n म्हणाले...

AI 1.0 a.k.a "human" was socially reconciled. AI 2.0 a.k.a "robot" is n-way correlated, thus the lawsuits, gangreen footprint, sympathetic appeal.

Not an oldster. म्हणाले...

A lot of older women used to carry baby dolls...
Maybe the older women obsession with tik tok and Ai is like that. Wanting babies you no longer have? Wanting a person better than the person in the next room to talk with?

imTay म्हणाले...

***that's "too strong," because "Real versions of those moments still happen all the time; they’re just harder to find in the algorithm because they tend to be messier, less optimized, and less consistently produced. The AI ones are often cleaner, more consistent, and engineered to hit the emotional beats efficiently."***

Tl;dr: Everything good is fake.

BTW, that baby *might* be real, but it sure looks AI generated, at least the thumbnail.

Lazarus म्हणाले...

You're trying to make me watch "Moonstruck" when I know for certain that I will hate it ...

Temujin म्हणाले...

Moonstruck is, in my opinion, one of the top 5 screenplays of all time. The script, the dialogue, the timing is all perfecto. It was written by John Patrick Shanley and came out in 1987. That same year the movie "Five Corners" came out. A riveting and under appreciated movie starring Jodie Foster and John Turturro, and Tim Robbins, screenplay by John Patrick Shanley.
Two completely different movies, two completely different feels, different intensities. But both very real in their own way. AI could not do either.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

It has happened almost suddenly, but internet content is already clogged to gills with A.I. slop. Its already hard to tell, and it will get even better until the world on your screen will be entirely unreliable and indiscernible, if it isn't already. I don't even know how many of you in here are real. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'm real. How do you even figure that out? I feared this development, and hoped I would miss it, but it's already too late.
~ possibly from Grok

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

A.I. has seen all our of culture and art, and it said "Hold my beer."

rcommal म्हणाले...

Big “ditto” to the comment referencing “Five Corners” and John Patrick Shanley as a screenwriter.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

We think we are better than A.I., but it's smarter, faster, better read, and far more cultured than any of us, and its few remaining weaknesses are fading fast. Our weakness is our tell, but it can learn to fake those too. Think about how early native Americans, when seeing photographs for the first time, worried that it stole their souls. They may have been on to something, just a little premature.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

I'm sure it's a great movie, but that Moonstruck scene seems more implausible than a scene where Clark Kent fools everyone.

James K म्हणाले...

This may be naive, but I still think just a truth-in-labeling law would solve a lot of problems with AI. At least we would know what we are seeing. But I suppose it's hard to draw the line between outright fakes and innocuous AI enhancement of real videos.

OnwardandUpward म्हणाले...

Virtually, no pun intended, all of the shorts on YT are fake.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

The reason people write fiction is because reality takes too long to get to the point.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

In the 80’s and 90’s I saw most movies on tv or cable switching back and forth and keeping the kids honest so I just know a few disconnected scenes of movies in that era. When something is free you are not invested in it.

Leora म्हणाले...

The Baby Boomers were the first generation to be served with fiction in bulk. I think it changed cultural expectations a lot. We are now raising a generation who never has to deal with reality. It’s so slow and boring and ambiguous!

Jaq म्हणाले...

"one of the top 5 screenplays of all time."

Oh, come on. "Why do men cheat? Because they are afraid of death!" WTF? Men might cheat because subconsciously they want their genes to live long and prosper in as many lines as possible, and not die with them. For that matter, why did Cher cheat on her fiancé? The same reason men cheat.

The movie is charming, technically masterful, but it is just a standard rom com at the end of the day.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

"Everything good is fake"

My Reddit timeline confirms.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

The more mysterious question is why do men get married, especially rich or famous men?

Jim Gust म्हणाले...

There is a ton of cute toddler videos on YouTube, sounding young but way too articulate and clever for their apparent age. I watched quite a few before I realized it was 100% AI. Scary how good the visuals were--we are in SimOne territory already.

James K म्हणाले...

"The more mysterious question is why do men get married, especially rich or famous men?"

For the second part of your question, presumably because beautiful women half their age have a price.

Jim Gust म्हणाले...

I rewatched Moonstruck a couple weeks back, I was struck by how the opening scenes, which I initially thought were just setting the city context, were actually foreshadowing the crucial opera scene. Most enjoyable, holds up well.

loudogblog म्हणाले...

"Mental note: Everything good is fake."

"The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made." - George Burns

AI will become completely indistinguishable from reality when it can fake all the flaws correctly.

Jeff Vader म्हणाले...

Pretty sure I started following this blog when the good professor was living in the neighborhood where Moonstruck was filmed. I lived in lower manhattan and enjoyed the photos of my side of the river she posted from Brooklyn heights. Good times .

Dagwood म्हणाले...

'Moonstruck' is one of the movies I end up catching on TCM and watching to the end, no matter at what point I came in. It makes me want to visit a restaurant just like that. Makes me want to attend at least one opera. It also has one of my favorite movie quotes of all time. And very good advice. "Don't ___ where you eat."

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

"because beautiful women half their age have a price"

Unlike with cars, leasing is the better deal. Eventually, those half your age go on sale.

Saint Croix म्हणाले...

When I was a kid I made fun of men who wore pinkie rings. "Why are they wearing jewelry? Be a man." My girlfriend apparently thought I was hilarious. She was Jewish. I'm going to keep saying that until y'all are impressed.

I drop to my knees without a problem. That's how you do cunnilingus, dummy. I don't give a damn about my suit. I hate suits! I only wear suits if somebody makes me. I'd rather not wear a suit. You know who cares about suits? Women. And men who are less-than-men. Real men are cavemen. At least in the South. Maybe people are dressier up north. Because it's fucking cold up there, and you think about clothes.

Where was I? Oh yeah. I think Althouse likes this movie because she is instructing him on how to propose to a woman. Like he's too stupid to know this and he needs a woman to help. I'm like, "I know how to propose to a woman. Getting her to say yes is the fucking tricky part. This pussy is going for an easy yes. I'll ask Cher, she's easy. I would never, ever, ever ask Cher to marry me. Who the fuck do you think I am, Sonny Bono?

I am highly likely to propose to the wrong woman because i cannot predict the future. I am really bad at that shit. So pray for my poor soul, because I need a woman bad. Not just any woman. Not Cher. If Cher shows up at my door tonight I would be like, "Holy fuck. What is the matter with you?" I can pick the women! That's easy! Picking the right woman, oof. That's legendary.

Saint Croix म्हणाले...

Film is artificial and the emotions are real. Or, another way to say this, film is man-made and the emotions are real. We prefer sunsets and beaches and clouds because God makes these things. They're real because God made them. A film is just as real as a city. These things aren't fake, they are just artificial and man-made and less impressive than real life.

Saint Croix म्हणाले...

When real life kicks my ass, I sometimes lock myself in my room and watch my art (cinema) and think, "this is the way life ought to be." That's a dream, though. And you can lose yourself in dreams for 30 years.

And time passes so fast. I was just having sex the other day and, shit, in reality, 30 years have gone by.

Saint Croix म्हणाले...

Sex is fun and relatively quick. The emotional pain that a woman can smack on your heart can leave a scar that lasts a while.

mikee म्हणाले...

The baby video may be AI generated, but I recall conversations almost exactly like that with every baby I've talked with, and often even more detailed. If you want even more fun, ask a four year old what they rememeber from before they were born.

mikee म्हणाले...

I tricked my then-girlfriend into saying "Yes" by surprising her with the question and then saying nothing more about it until she asked me months later if I'd been serious. "Yes," I replied, and again said nothing more. Worked out well for me.

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