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"'Every day, another church is sold,' said Lilian Grootswagers-Theuns, the president of the advisory board for Future for Religious Heritage.... 'This is happening everywhere in Europe...'"

"'... in Germany, Sweden, Spain and Italy. It’s already going very fast,' she said. 'But now we’re going fast-forward. Now, there’s a tsunami coming.' Churches, once central to European cultural life, were typically situated in the heart of a city and built to last. 'Before you even had the nations, you had a European tradition going back to the fourth century of having a church for each city, each village,' said Barbara Welzel, a professor of art history and cultural education.... These days, parishes may merge or unused churches be sold for private use, like homes or hotels. Sometimes communities rally to save their local church buildings and use them as tourist sites, cultural venues or health care centers. Some priests simply walk away. 'In some churches, they really throw away the key,” [Hedwig Fijen, the director of the 'roving art biennial' Manifesta, said.] 'I’ve found sacred objects in the garbage bin.'"

From "What to Do With Europe’s 'Zombie Churches'? These Artists Have Some Ideas. As the continent’s ties to Christianity fade, churches are being abandoned. But some see a chance to transform them into communal spaces like care centers or venues for the arts" (NYT gift link).

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rehajm বলেছেন...

…venture incubator will never cross anyone’s mind. More knitting centers then…

rehajm বলেছেন...

…Hannah Ricketts just visited that St Marks food court. It looked dreadful…

Smilin' Jack বলেছেন...

“The Church Nightclub in Denver, Colorado, originally opened as St. Mark's Episcopal Church, a historic Gothic Revival building designed by architects Lang & Pugh that was completed in 1889.
The Church Nightclub is widely considered one of the best and most iconic nightclubs in Denver, known for its stunning Gothic architecture, multiple levels of dance floors, and massive electronic music events.“

I’ve been there a couple of times. It’s really cool.

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

The were already "care centers", but nobody cared.

tcrosse বলেছেন...

The Churchkey bar and grill at 626 University Ave, Madison, Wisconsin, started out as the Luther Memorial Chapel, a funeral venue.

baghdadbob বলেছেন...

Perfect location for your town's next Mosque!

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

Glad Ann posted this.

The last three Popes have done a terrible job. The top priority of the Roman Catholic Church is to reconvert Europe. Since nothing has been done, Europe gets paddle ball courts inside former Churches.

I experienced this first-hand. I made a trip to Spain to visit the birthplace of St. Ignatius of Loyola. I took a bus from the airport. The bus stopped in a town and I had to figure out what bus to take to Loyola as it wasn't clear to me.

I asked some men who were in the town square about St. Ignatius and they had no clue who he was. One of the most important men in the history of the world grew up just 20 miles from where we were standing and these guys had never heard of him.

And, of course, most EU governments have allowed millions of Muslims to immigrate into their countries. This will not turn out well.

Humperdink বলেছেন...

When I was growing up in the 50’s through the mid-60’s everyone in my suburban housing plan went to church. Various Christian denominations. Now? Very few do. What changed? Why we’ve become enlightened as our society crumbles before our very eyes.

ronetc বলেছেন...

Empty churches deconsecrated and sold for secular use is better than supposedly active churches sponsoring discos and raves to fill their emptiness and covering their vacuity.

boatbuilder বলেছেন...

Lilian Grootswagers-Theuns.

Monty Python or P.G. Wodehouse?

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

With neo-paganism on the rise it would be ironic if some of them were rededicated to Perun, Wotan, and Mithras. As long as Etruscan haruspicy isn't practiced, the bishop of rome is unlikely to exorcise the ancient gods.

gilbar বলেছেন...

the sensible thing, is to turn them into Mosques.
After all, the people that live in Europe have a right to worship..
Don't They?

gilbar বলেছেন...

RSM bizarrely suggested...
"..if some of them were rededicated to Perun, Wotan, and Mithras.."

i Seriously DOUBT that you will EVER see ANY Thing like that happen.
The religious people in Europe dislike pagans EVEN MORE than they dislike Christians or Jews.
The future of Europe is ISLAM. get used to it

Kirk Parker বলেছেন...

The future of religious heritage in Europe is Islam -- unless there is an abrupt waking up and pulling of heads out of asses..

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent বলেছেন...

Don’t tear them down yet. As Europe slowly, ever so slowly, regains its sanity, those churches will become centers of a culture of renewed fertility and resistance to Islamism. In 20 years they’ll be packed. Pass the plate.

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

Priest: "Good people! You can't have your gay sex parties in here!?! This was a Catholic Church!!!"

People: "What usually happened here before the gay sex parties?"

Humperdink বলেছেন...

Pastors preaching from the NY Times rather than the Bible have seen their church attendance dwindle or close completely. I find it interesting how many churches permit women pastors, the mainline churches especially. That would be the Methodists, Lutherans, and Presbyterians. Maybe they can’t find male preachers.

When the church sign out front lists the pastor’s name as two initials and a last name, you can bet it’s a woman - not that I know what a woman is, mind you.

RideSpaceMountain বলেছেন...

Ido, but I shouldn't give Catholics such a hard time. My wife is Catholic. The way I figure it is more important to compromise on dogma and scriptural interpretation in exchange for a spouse with some semblance of an ethical compass who's less likely to kill my children.

R C Belaire বলেছেন...

I was born into the Catholic faith and educated in parochial grade and high schools by nuns and priests. It was a great upbringing, ... but now I'm more interested in the historical and academic aspects of religion as opposed to the theological. Don't need a physical structure for that.

john mosby বলেছেন...

Most European countries have some sort of concordat with the RC Church whereby church property is actually state property. This was done to keep the Church down, especially in revolutionary countries such as France and Italy where the Church was the enemy of national unification and independence. I imagine Spain got there from the other direction, with Franco wanting religion on tap, but not on top, and then the post-Franco lefties not giving a rat's ass. Germany's church-state relations are complicated as heck from what I have read.

Of course this then makes the Church hierarchy free riders in those buildings, free to mismanage them. And sticks the local governments with the upkeep bill. I saw a good piece about this on France24 a few years ago. CC, JSM

john mosby বলেছেন...

Also, Zombie Church must already be the name of a rock band. CC, JSM

ChrisC বলেছেন...

We were on vacation in Italy in 2005. We wanted to go to Mass on Easter Sunday. Everyone goes on Easter, right? So, we go early to the main church in Sienna. No one is there, just a handful of old ladies up front. Must have got my time zones mixed up and it's not the right time. Just as we are about to leave a priest comes and says, "are you here for Mass? It's this way". Leads us to a side chapel and there are about 150 tourists in there. He called it the tourist mass and said it in English. Afterward, I asked him, surely there is a Mass that the locals will attend on Easter. He answers, "sadly, no"

mccullough বলেছেন...

Demolish them. Make the Muslims build their mosques from scratch.

Money Manger বলেছেন...

Hard as it is to believe, the same thing is happening to mosques in Iran. I know this from firsthand observation. Mosques that were once full are now almost always empty, even at prayer. The few attendees that are there are generally well over 60.

Left Bank of the Charles বলেছেন...

There are an estimated 500,000 church buildings in Europe. At the rate of one a day, it will take over 1300 years to sell them all off.

In the United States, the process works both ways. In Southwest Iowa, where I grew up, I know of a relatively new factory building, a Hy-Vee grocery store, and a restaurant that have been converted to churches.

The church converted to a residence that features in Alice’s Restaurant has been converted back into a church of sorts (interfaith services and spiritual exchange, bringing individuals together for cultural, educational, and spiritual exchange).

I lived for 4 years in the Stone Chapel Condos in Cambridge, which were constructed around what remained of a church tower after the church suffered a major fire. I’ve been to the Church Nightclub in Denver - a fun night out.

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

Correction: The top priority of the Roman Catholic Church SHOULD BE to reconvert Europe.

ron winkleheimer বলেছেন...

I was in Italy a couple of decades ago and went on a bus trip to see the country side. Part of the tour was visiting small, no longer used church buildings. I was told that statues and sacred objects had to be centrally secured. Otherwise they would be stolen.

john mosby বলেছেন...

ChrisC: "We were on vacation in Italy in 2005. We wanted to go to Mass on Easter Sunday. Everyone goes on Easter, right?....sadly, no"

That is odd. Easter is a massive holiday in Italy. I was there in about 2015. All the stores flogged new white dresses and suits for the kids - and huge (like 2-foot-high) chocolate eggs that have more candy inside. I immediately had a vision of all these kids ruining their new white Easter clothes with chocolate stains. Who says Italians don't have business sense?

But I guess they are so busy trying to keep the kids from putting little brown handprints all over their clothes that they never get to church? CC, JSM

john mosby বলেছেন...

Maybe Siena is like Venice: no one lives there anymore, it's too crowded? CC, JSM

William বলেছেন...

Sad. On the plus side, they had a far longer run than shopping malls, ornate movie palaces and most Athenian temples.

Achilles বলেছেন...

Dave Begley said...

Glad Ann posted this.

The last three Popes have done a terrible job. The top priority of the Roman Catholic Church is to reconvert Europe. Since nothing has been done, Europe gets paddle ball courts inside former Churches.


The purpose of the pope is to deconstruct christianity.

The Catholic Church has fulfilled its purpose.

Aggie বলেছেন...

I found it very instructive touring European nations with someone that is only first or second generation American, with ancestors there. If you take a riverboat tour, you are following the old routes that civilization depended on for hundreds of years, and frequently fought over. When you see cathedral after cathedral, abbey after abbey, monastery after monastery, you begin to realize the astounding scale of the whole enterprise. The church was the only real competition strong enough to unseat royalty. They were the gatekeepers of heavenly access, and they kept the books.

When you think of the obscene wealth of royal family empires, the land holdings, and compare it to the wealth of the churches, with cathedrals taking dozens of years, decades to complete, the wealth required to sustain all that - all off the backs of royalty and serfs.

That's why those serfs left for the New World. They'd slave for 5 days a week for their king, on the king's land, another day for their church, and be left with a few hours a week to tend to their own crops - for subsistence. Most of them were starving. It was a way to keep them weak, but still useful. Double-teamed by the kings and the priests.

Seeing it from their perspective helps a lot, as you tour these magnificent relics. The European countries I've been to in recent years all seem to be almost entirely agnostic, as if religion has been burned out of them by bitter experience - if you don't count the Muslim immigrants, legal and illegal. Many of these churches are being sold off and converted to mosques.

Brylinski বলেছেন...

All the churches are empty and the mosques are full.

tcrosse বলেছেন...

IN 2014 we were in Budapest on a Sunday. We went to see St Steven's Basilica during a mass, and it was packed. The next Sunday found us in Regensburg, Bavaria. We checked out the cathedral during mass, and it, too, was packed.

vermonter বলেছেন...

The church in St. Louis where I first attended and where I was ring bearer at my aunt’s wedding and where my grandfather’s funeral was held is now a mosque.

Lem Vibe Bandit বলেছেন...

YouTube: "Now this has been standing here for centuries. The premier work of man perhaps in the whole western world. And it's without a signature. A celebration to God's glory and to the dignity of man."

PrimoStL বলেছেন...

vermonter said, "The church in St. Louis where I first attended and where I was ring bearer at my aunt’s wedding and where my grandfather’s funeral was held is now a mosque."
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And which one was that?

narciso বলেছেন...

Certainly benedict was solid thats why they removed him

Ampersand বলেছেন...

Human societies seem to possess a near universal hunger for transcendent meaning. As the recorded acts of Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammed recede in the rearview mirror, we are left to wonder: what's going to replace those things that were once the bedrock of our beliefs in what's true, what's good, and what is our individual and collective destiny?

Lazarus বলেছেন...

Check out the Grootswagers on her. Hubba Hubba.

I shudder to think what those artists have in mind, but if some of them are Christians, or at least good artists, they may bring some of those churches back into use.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

The Orthodox and Catholic churches can trace themselves back to St. Peter. This too shall pass. I'd be more concerned for the protestants. What are they originally? Nothing more than catholic "protestors".

And now after 500 years, there protest is over. Their churches are being boarded up and sold off. Anyone who deeply believes in Jesus Christ has either gone evangelical or has fled back to the Orthodox/Catholic. God, even a fake like Rod Dreher left his protestant faith.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

One of the weirdest things is how Catholics will complain about the wealth of their churches. I think that pretentious idiot the dancer Gene Kelly once wrote he went to Mexico in the 30s and saw the poverty and then saw the Churches "filled with gold" and that's why he left the faith. LOL.

Yeah you could take all the "gold" in the Churches and sell it and it would feed the poor for about 1 week.

Of course the real reason Kelly left the Catholic Church is because he was a communist symp and wanted success in Hollywood. His first wife was a communist, and so were many of his boosters. Good for getting ahead in Hollywood in the 40s.

MadTownGuy বলেছেন...

Socialism is the opiate of the masses.

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