The NYT reports, 51 minutes ago, in its excellent live coverage.
45 minutes ago: "As Trump makes his way through the Knesset to give his address, it is clearly a friendly crowd, even among many in the Israeli opposition. In the audience, some are wearing red MAGA-style baseball caps, emblazoned with the words, 'TRUMP THE PEACE PRESIDENT.' The question now is whether, in his speech, Trump casts the war as over — words that Netanyahu and members of his coalition have refused to utter."
7 minutes ago: "The Egyptian government just announced that both Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, and Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, will participate in a high-level regional summit about Gaza being convened later today in Egypt."
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Excellent?
They're not showing any photographs of the released hostages. The BBC is really getting into the emotion of how happy people are about this. The NYT is dry and cold. They're talking about the release of the hostages. But, for some reason, they have no interest in showing us the hostages.
BBC photographs are provided by the IDF. Presumably, news organizations are not allowed access to the hostages just yet. So you can either go with the photographs released by the IDF (which BBC is doing). Or you can skip it, I guess, as the American media is doing.
Our media has a history of running photographs provided by Hamas. So, no, I would not call the NYT coverage "excellent."
This Just In...
Former McDonald's employee brokers peace in the Mid East.
Are there any live female hostages?
Egypt and Israel meeting for peace talks? I’ll take concepts never discussed during Carter or Obama Administrations.
Bringing Abu Mazen to talk about Gaza? I would laugh my ass off if the peace plan consists of funding Fatah to fight Hamas. Couldn't happen to two nicer bunches of people. CC, JSM
All GREAT news!
Hostages returned. Check that off. There's 19 left to go.
Just saying, but if Israel was really using starvation tactics to break Gazans, does it not stand to reason that the hostages would starve too?
"They're not showing any photographs of the released hostages. The BBC is really getting into the emotion of how happy people are about this. The NYT is dry and cold."
I see a lovely still photograph with the caption "Friends of Alon Ohel speaking with his family in a video call after learning that he had been released on."
Why not wait and see what the coverage actually is? I want good journalism. Not propaganda.
According to our AI overlords...
Countries that brokered the cease-fire negotiations that ended the war
USA
Qatar
Egypt
Turkey
Countries participating in the "peace summit"
France
Germany
UK
Italy
Spain
Cyprus
Greece
Hungary
United Arab Emigrates
Saudi Arabia
Jordan
Turkey
Qatar
Egypt
Iran (participation uncertain)
Pakistan
Indonesia
Japan
Kuwait
Bahrain
Canada
Azerbaijan
(I think you left off a country, Artoo)
"To monitor the implementation of the ceasefire, a multinational force is being overseen by the U.S. military."
UN hardest hit.
I want good journalism. Not propaganda.
You think the BBC is running propaganda for Israel?
I'm talking about capturing the humanity of the hostages and the inhumanity of what happened to them. Our leftist media has been swamping us with images from Hamas, including photographs of a child who had a medical condition, claiming that Israel was responsible for the horrible suffering. The media had to apologize for its dishonest reporting. Because it was relying on Hamas propaganda.
I know there was a war, and propaganda is always a part of warfare. But our media, for two years, has been running Hamas propaganda uncritically. And when Israel offers photographs of the rescued hostages, only the BBC published them?
Weird. Super-fucking weird. I call the NYT out for its leftist bias and it's pro-Hamas slant, which is obvious to everybody. Not a neutral source, Althouse, but definitely a cruel one.
Presumably they didn't show the hostages because if they did, the world would realize that there actually were some starving people in Gaza - just not the ones the media wanted people to think.
Seeing through the constant propaganda must be a little bit like being autistic. There are all these "norms" around you and opinions you are supposed to accept, but when it comes to the reasons for them at bottom, well, it's all The Emperor's New Clothes.
"just not the ones the media wanted people to think."
Show me the images of the fat Palestinians, and I will agree with you.
Facebook has really good coverage of the hostage releases.
Sorry, Ann, but not only is it not good journalism, it's not even journalism if it purposely omits the natural elation of the people at a profoundly significant and joyous event. It would be like covering Victory in Europe after WWII with a couple of paragraphs on page 5 and no photographs, instead of the iconic front page photo of the sailor kissing nurse Inga in the middle of the parade down Broadway.
But I suppose we can wait until the foreign papers come out with their coverage so the NYT gets shamed into printing all the news that's fit to print sometime in the next few days..
Jaq said...
"just not the ones the media wanted people to think."
"Show me the images of the fat Palestinians, and I will agree with you."
They're in Qatar.
I want good journalism. Not propaganda.
It seems like she desperately needs good journalism from The New York Times. A tidbit of accidental journalism is all she needs. Sometimes it feels like the blog is an advice column for the NYT…Please!! The cries will be ignored. They told everyone they were abandoning journalism because Trump. I encourage everyone to go back and read it- makes so much more sense now…
I suspect that American media -- instead of competing for stories -- often relies on shared narratives that the journalists attempt to create. Althouse spotted one the other day.
This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but they're actually quite upfront about it.
One mechanism by which American media is taught to organize and unite around a certain idea is the The AP Style Guide.
It is the AP style guide that teaches journalists to never ever say "pro-life" or "pro-lifers," and to always say "anti-abortionists." It is the AP style guide that teaches journalists to say "fetus" and to never say "unborn baby."
Unless the subject is not abortion, in which case it's perfectly fine to say unborn baby.
The AP Style Guide is very clear on this shit. They send their guide out to newspaper rooms across the country.
See also the NYT and their insane, not-yet-aborted idea to replace 1776 with 1619.
See also how all media, everywhere, started capitalizing Black a few years ago, and only that skin color. Over night, they did this! Propaganda, pure and simple. Not journalism.
Now, I don't know specifically why our media refuses to accept any photographs from the IDF, while they routinely, for two years, published Hamas photographs. Why would journalists pick one side in a war, and the wrong side at that?
What interesting to me, is that the BBC -- who apparently was left off the conspiracy e-mail chain -- is now happily publishing photographs of the rescued hostages. They are getting the story. While our incompetent American media is missing the story, either through stupid rule-following or a (subconscious?) desire to miss this particular story.
Are there any live female hostages?
From this list I've seen, they are all male (the living ones). I wish I could feel happier about this, but it seems that Hamas is back in control of Gaza. So it's just a matter of time till there's more terror inflicted on Israel. Rinse, repeat.
CNN is now publishing the photos provided by the IDF. After being shamed by the BBC, probably.
They couldn't let the females live to tell their stories of continuous gang rape. And doubtlessly many were impregnated by their rapists, which is ... bad optics.
Now let's see if anyone in the media contemplates the pregnancy issue and tries to find out if there were live births and where any surviving babies are.
I want good journalism. Not propaganda.
You read the New York Times daily. How would you even know what good journalism even looks like anymore?
Why not wait and see what the coverage actually is?
Because I'm hot-tempered and impatient. And I was up all night. I don't know. CNN is fixing it. I guess a newspaper feels no obligation to get photographs of an event as its happening?
The NYT has released a list of all the hostages, so that's good. And they're providing it outside the paywall, also good.
I still think the rule on not accepting or using IDF photographs of the release is petty and strange.
I never seen such bizzare US press foreign press coverage of a war. One endless MSM story after another about 100 or so Israeli hostages. Who are they? What are their stories? How are they doing? Lets talk to their relatives. And what about the negotiations.
Meanwhile the 60,000 dead Palestinians get 1/50 the coverage. What about all the killed UN workers, Journalists killed by the IDF, or the thousands of maimed kids and dead babies. What about the Israeli food blockade or starving people in Gaza? Oh wait, that's not important - the MSM needs to tell us about latest Hollyweird movie or a Rapper's sex trial.
"Show me the images of the fat Palestinians, and I will agree with you."
The other kid in the photo of the emaciated kid with muscular dystrophy looked pretty healthy, as did his mom.
Show us the pictures of the people who guarded the hostages.
Anyway, glad their safe. Now, lets lift the food blockade of Gaza and pay repairations to the Gazans for their suffering.
This all puts me in a very Jeremiah 6:14, or a 1 Thessalonians 5:3, state of mind. They perils of ignoring all the best advice and stubbornly including Bible studies in the curriculum. Skepticism
BBC is still doing a better job right now.
Inbar Hayman, believed to be dead, is the last woman being held by Hamas.
off?
"The NYT is dry and cold."
For a distinctly emotional story, that's a form of propaganda no different than showcasing emotion that most don't feel. I doubt there are many on either side who feel dry and cold about this event. Here's the tell: if the peace was brought by Obama, do you think the coverage would be dry and cold?
He had muscular dystrophy, and he survived starvation without medical care? It seems too perfect, like when the Saddam's troops were throwing Islamic babies, in Kuwait, out of incubators. Color me skeptical, I would much prefer non set piece, curated by the IDF, photos. I mean it could be that Hamas was starving Palestinian babies for propaganda photos, I guess, but it seems pretty unlikely that a movement that relies entirely on popular support would do such a thing, yet I read that claim here.
Can somebody point me to, with a link, either a verified picture of any of the captors, or street pictures from Gaza?
Imagine the coverage if any Democrat President had accomplished this. Think about it for second, and you realize such a thing is impossible. Only Hitler could this for the Jews.
He had muscular dystrophy, and he survived starvation without medical care? It seems too perfect, like when the Saddam's troops were throwing Islamic babies, in Kuwait, out of incubators. Color me skeptical.
Yeah. Me too. Why isn't mom also starving? Why don't you ask NPR and the BBC, who promote this BS? Surely they have plenty of photos of the captors and of thousands of other starving Palestinian children.
Actually, time will tell. If Israel really did use starvation tactics, which is where I am leaning, but I could be convinced otherwise, the evidence will be overwhelming in the coming days, and if it is not, and if free access is granted to the press, I will accept that it was all just a psy-op to starve those babies.
Opposition… come on down! The Peace is Right!
Am I the only one wondering why there are only 13 surviving hostages being released? Just days ago the number was 20 or more.
The "useful idiot" gets his pat on the head, (but not a Nobel Prize) from the very people who in his own country hate him the most and work against him, even to his bankruptcy, imprisonment, and death. Go figure? Only in America I guess.
My cynicism suggests the Palestinians are keeping some hostages.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-deploys-fighters-hostages-released-show-strength-2025-10-13/
Do these guys look like they are starving?
Nobody starves their soldiers, I want to see images of regular people on the street.
Oh, I forgot, the Democrats are trying to starve our soldiers, and they are big mad that Trump found a way to pay them during the shutdown.
Here's a pretty good story in The Daily Mail:
The terrorists who live in luxury.
What inspired this article was the Israeli strike in Qatar.
Some of those billion dollar numbers might be exaggerated. But it's pretty obvious from the photographs that Hamas leadership wasn't suffering like the people in Gaza.
While I heard about the Qatar attack, I was unaware that Israel had gone after Hamas' leadership. We didn't get that reported in our media. And whoever decided to describe Hamas' leadership as "negotiators," holy fuck. Oh yeah, Israel is trying to kill diplomats in Qatar.
Anyway, my assumption is that Trump secretly okayed the missile attack on Qatar. And it was that attack, on Hamas leadership, that finally brought an end to this war. Morally, it is similar to Obama giving the green light to Navy SEALS to invade Pakistan and kill Osama bin Laden.
James K said...
"I wish I could feel happier about this, but it seems that Hamas is back in control of Gaza."
Hostages released today, war preparation starts tomorrow (if it hasn't already). Time to regroup, rearm, reload. The world will shovel "aid" to Hamas for more and better tunnels, rockets, paragliders. And those thousands-millions-billions of dead Gazans? All worth it, if you're Hamas.
"Meanwhile the 60,000 dead Palestinians get 1/50 the coverage."
"At last count over 50,000 Palestinians have been murdered by the war criminals running Israel."
Same guy, different thread. LOL! 40,000, 50,000, 60,000, whatever comes out of his ass, that's the number of genocided terrorists children that the Jews have genocidedly genocided.
I'm totally serial.
The quid pro quotar for the Israeli attack on the Hamas leadership was the Air Force training base to be built in Idaho.
RCOCEAN II said...
Anyway, glad their safe. Now, lets lift the food blockade of Gaza and pay repairations to the Gazans for their suffering.
10/13/25, 7:30 AM
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Any reparations are owed by the people who initiated this - the satanic scum of Hamas and their Iranian sponsors.
" whoever decided to describe Hamas' leadership as "negotiators," holy fuck"
You mean people like Donald Trump?
"The Emir of Qatar, who's an incredible people. UAE, and that's MBZ and ABZ. We're totally involved."
Unless you figure that the Emir was doing this without any interaction with the Hamas representatives in his country.
The Emir was so angry at the attack that he almost kicked the US out of the largest base in the region, which is in Qatar.
A key member of the American effort [Qatar] has attacked another [Israel], with America seen as complacent, complicit or blind,” he said. “The resulting distrust will mar American efforts for years to come.” - Washington Post
Howard said...
"The quid pro quotar for the Israeli attack on the Hamas leadership was the Air Force training base to be built in Idaho."
They, we, the USA isn't building a base for Qatar in Idaho. There is already a base in Idaho. Mountain Home AFB. It's where we train foreign pilots on the military hardware they buy from us. Something may be being built there but it isn't for the Qatar pilots.
Jaq said….
“but it seems pretty unlikely that a movement that relies entirely on popular support would do such a thing, yet I read that claim here.”
Notions of “popular support” may differ here.
Oh, I think the leader/s in Qatar knew full well what was coming, Jaq and the outrage on their part was part of the theater. Qatar is no friend of Iran and their Hamas proxies.
AMDG @8:34 - exactly.
Am I the only one wondering why there are only 13 surviving hostages being released? Just days ago the number was 20 or more.
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7 released earlier reports
Geez, I notice when you step back and take it all in, the Nobel Prize Committee is starting to look awfully small by comparison. What's the opposite of Yuge ? I think they're headed there.
Regards female hostages it is worth noting that there were earlier releases and that they tended to feature more women and children. Better optics. IDF soldiers are always the last to be released. Now, as to what stories these newly freed people have to tell.....we can save that shadow for another day, today its ok to be optimistic.
Takeaway: Trump makes deals with terrorists.
This will ensure a steady supply of terrorism going forward. He's made a lot of people's lives a LOT worse.
This certainly isn't going to get him in heaven - dealing with the Devil, after all.
..."This will ensure a steady supply of terrorism going forward. ..."
Oh, brother. "Shana.... the hostages knew what they were getting into. They bought the ticket. I say: Let them starve."
The hostages are free! Thank God for Biden and Kamala …. Oh. Wait.
"I think the leader/s in Qatar knew full well what was coming, Jaq and the outrage on their part was part of the theater. Qatar is no friend of Iran and their Hamas proxies."
Yes, wheels within wheels, I get it. I reversed the assignments on that quote, but you should read the whole article from the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/10/11/us-israel-arab-military-leaked-documents/
I think the Idaho base is a quid pro quo for the fact that the US has its largest base in the Middle East situated in Qatar.
If you come up with "secret agreements" and tap your temple knowingly, well, there is a saying about adding extra hidden factors to prove your point:
“With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.” —John Von Neumann, one of the smartest people who ever lived.
But yes, what the raid did was put in jeopardy the alliance contra Iran, which is all in that WaPo article too.
10/13/25, 8:47 AM
FLC: “Takeaway: Trump makes deals with terrorists.” Yes and the hostages are free. Hamas will retool. So will Israel. Israel needed some rest. There will be no more October 7s.
"Notions of “popular support” may differ here."
So you believe that Hamas starved those babies for a photo op? Time will tell.
"Excellent coverage"? " "The question now is whether, in his speech, Trump casts the war as over — words that Netanyahu and members of his coalition have refused to utter."
The quid pro quotar for the Israeli attack on the Hamas leadership was the Air Force training base to be built in Idaho.
I was thinking along similar lines. However, I think it was a deal for Qatar to put more pressure on Hamas. They are hosting all the leadership and may have told them to move back to Gaza.
"So you believe that Hamas starved those babies for a photo op?"
I don't think any babies were starved, but considering the fact that Hamas builds underground bases beneath hospitals and shoots people trying to access food relief being brought in by the UN, yeah I think it is possible.
OK, Jaq. You berate me but your source is the WaPo. hardly trustworthy.
I said that Qatar knew what was on the way because prior to this attack Israel conferred with the country that it was going to attack terrorists on their soil. So, not without precedent. Nothing I said was without basis.
You accuse of being conspiratorial and then claim without basis that the base in Idaho is a tit for tat because of the raid on Hamas in Qatar. My claim, based on fact, is there is already an airforce base in Idaho that routinely trains foreign pilots and ground crews.
Maynard: that's fair. The attack was a tactic that took place within an overarching strategy.
"You accuse of being conspiratorial and then claim without basis that the base in Idaho is a tit for tat because of the raid on Hamas in Qatar"
That was Howard. I was just responding to all of this noise I keep seeing in the threads about Qatar having a base in Idaho. You probably have better facts than I do, it wouldn't bother me if they did, but I just suspect that, should such a base actually exist, it would be reciprocating Qatar's hosting of a giant US base, nothing to do with the attack.
Whether the WaPo can be trusted or not is not even a question, of course they cannot be trusted, but when what they say makes sense, we have to remember that they have access to sources who know the real facts of the matter. You can't dismiss them out of hand or you are just making stuff up out of thin air.
The game we play is to try to infer what is really going on based on public information, notice I said "infer" and not "deduce." It's an interesting game.
I guess this is the source of all of the noise:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hegseth-qatar-air-force-facility-us-base-idaho
It's not a "base," per se, and it's not under Qatari control, but they are building a facility for their pilot trainees, and their jets. They are not the first country to do this there, either.
What's done is done and cannot be undone.
"words that Netanyahu and members of his coalition have refused to utter.""
Everybody understands that it's a forever war, Trump. the Israelis, the Muzzies. Only the most ignorant and Jimmy Carter would be stupid enough to think it isn't.
Key events include:
Rejected request for funding: In April 2017, Charles Kushner (Jared's father) met with Qatar's Finance Minister to seek an investment of just under a billion dollars from Qatar's sovereign wealth fund for the Kushner Companies' troubled 666 Fifth Avenue property. Qatar declined the request. A previous potential deal for $500 million had also fallen through in 2016.
U.S. policy shift: Shortly after the rejected funding request, the U.S. administration's policy toward Qatar shifted dramatically. Jared Kushner reportedly advocated for the blockade of Qatar by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, overriding the advice of the State and Defense Departments.
Later investment and "bailout": More than a year later, in August 2018, a Canadian real estate firm, Brookfield Asset Management, finalized a $1.28 billion deal to purchase a 99-year lease on the 666 Fifth Avenue property, effectively rescuing it from debt. The Qatar Investment Authority (QIA) was a minority investor (with a 7% stake) in the subsidiary of Brookfield that executed the transaction, leading to criticism that Qatari-linked funds were indirectly involved in a "bailout" of the Kushners.
Post-White House investment: After leaving the White House in 2021, Jared Kushner launched his own private equity firm, Affinity Partners, which received significant investments from Gulf nations. A Qatari entity invested around $200 million in his firm, a move which some Qatari officials were initially hesitant about due to political risks. This was part of a total of around $3 billion raised by Affinity, most of which came from foreign sovereign wealth funds, including $2 billion from Saudi Arabia.
While no formal extortion charges have been proven in court, the timing of these events and the investments from countries Kushner dealt with as a senior White House official have led to investigations and concerns from ethics experts and Democratic lawmakers regarding potential conflicts of interest and the appearance of a quid pro quo. Kushner has maintained that he fully abided by all legal and ethical guidelines.
Wait a minute--the count is short. Earlier today there were stories of 20 living hostages--now there are only 13?
I see that there are a lot of cynics saying that Hamas will reneg on the deal.
OF COURSE they will reneg. Both the US and the Israelis know this.
It sounds like we're going to have a military presence in Gaza for a while. Hopefully not too long. if the people in Gaza see us as an improvement over Israeli occupation, maybe that would work in the short term. Especially if European money is used to rebuild Gaza and make it nicer. I would prefer Egyptian troops, or Iraqi troops, or Saudi troops. I don't envy Mr. Trump trying to make this deal work. I'm not sure if they are thinking about an American military base in Gaza. Trump was a huge critic of Bush's "nation building." And building a free Palestine is only 1000 times more difficult. Obviously, Israeli running the Gaza strip is a bad idea. But nobody else wants to do it, either. And Hamas just wants to kill Jews. What a mess. The war in Iraq was quick and easy, but trying to establish a republic in Iraq was a real sinkhole for us. Maybe Trump can sweet talk the Saudis into annexing Gaza, spending some money, and handling security. I think, while Trump has some negotiating power, he ought to be stressing the importance of the Middle East handling Gaza, and providing security for its vulnerable people.
Worst case, we can always put the UK in charge of Gaza. They are practically a Muslim state anyway. Maybe Trump can swindle Keir Starmer and have him commit the UK to 10 years of providing security to Gaza, keeping them safe from that devil state, Israel.
Or Trump could appoint Mamdani. Free buses! Free food! Let's move the socialist experiment from NYC to Gaza. Come on, man. Don't you want to be mayor of Gaza? You can be the center of the universe. They need you. And you can lecture Israel and the west until the end of time. What a neat gig.
Skeptical Voter:
Note that the header says “the remaining 13”. I gather from Twitter that Hamas handed over 7 of 20 at the agreed time and kept the other 13 for some hours after that. So the numbers add up, and Hamas extends their streak of assholistic torturing behavior.
Good news. But I don't want US troops in Gaza. That didn't work out well in Lebanon in the Eighties. Maybe "overseen by the US" will only mean a tiny presence there. If not, I'd rather see the UN in charge, but Israel wouldn't go for that.
Added plus: the guy down the street may actually pull up those 2000+ Israeli flags on his property and find another use for them.
pay repairations to the Gazans for their suffering.
Right. Pay reparations to the people who started the fucking war.
It's amazing how Jew-hate can make an otherwise rational person go completely off the rails.
"Lazarus said...
Good news. But I don't want US troops in Gaza."
Targets. Leaders agree to peace, the terrorists are still anonymous killers who score points with their gang for violence.
"... the Air Force training base to be built in Idaho.: The base is already there, has been for decades. I lived a short distance from there way back in the early 1980's. There have been other nations use the base for training.
I now live near Montgomery, Alabama. We have an AF Base here too. And training of foreign pilots from the middle east have gone on for ages.
But these simple facts are to high a mountain to climb (for leftist media and certain commenters) when spun properly out comes Orange Man bad.
Pathetic.
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