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১১৬টি মন্তব্য:
It has been an amazing service. A great tribute to Charlie Kirk. The left has no idea what they have done.
There will be a narrative from the left coming out of this that Kirk wanted dialogue and that Trump supporters should commit to being peaceful and accepting leftist hate and violence because that is what Charlie would have wanted.
It isn't gonna fly. You killed the guy that wanted to talk to you. We see you shitheads for who you are.
The left is going to have to accept that they will have to live with people who disagree with them.
If they cannot accept that they are going to leave.
And it is time to make the penalty for flag burning exile. If you don't like the country get the fuck out.
Air Force 1 & 2 flew over my house about 45 minutes ago.
"The left has no idea what they have done."
Meh. Six months from now this fervor will have blown over and Charlie Kirk will still be dead.
Original Mike: "Six months from now this fervor will have blown over and Charlie Kirk will still be dead"
People were saying this when they were lawfaring Trump.
Heck, even with Floyd (scih), it took four years to mostly counteract the results. CC, JSM
Lots of people there. I didn't see any burning buildings though.
Kirk had a significant impact on young people. He engaged in person without preaching, and allowed the left to expose their worst dogma and then calmly refuted it. Those under thirty had never seen that, and probably thought it couldn’t be done.
They had an attachment and affinity for him. Seeing him murdered in cold blood and then watching swaths of the left celebrate his death is not something they’ll soon, if ever, forget.
I bet there are no abortion vans outside the Arizona arena.
Now is a time for Choice... sequester the incitement and affirmative action.
Now is a time for a choice, a conversation, a debate as we strive toward a turning point for a viable evolution of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness under our Constitutional framework, and Republican form of government, In God ("good") We Trust.
On CNN a member of Congress spoke:
"Crockett: I shouldn't be expected to condemn the death of someone "talking negatively about me."
What?? They aren't burning cars? Looting? Assaulting cops??? The left say they are 'far right' and violent... strange.. looks like it really is peaceful.
Just not like Antifa or BLM 'mostly peaceful' protest...
I wonder how come?
meade went and left you at home again?
If Elon Musk has a genuine "come to Jesus"
moment, imagine how the world will be different.
God bless, everyone, may your ears be opened!
Are they openly baptizing new followers? It would be a shame to miss out on all the people opening their hearts to Jesus Christ today and accepting him as their Lord and Savior. God is indeed working miracles through Charlie Kirk. Imagine the changes in government that are coming with Christ's message now firmly embedded in human hearts!
Another Leftist Shooter Attacks Country Club Wedding In New Hampshire
"Tom Bartelson of Pepperell, Massachusetts, told reporters that he was at Sky Meadow Country Club for his nephew’s wedding when he heard the individual say, "The children are safe," and, "Free Palestine." The slogan is commonly chanted at left wing rallies and protests, an attempt to absorb Islamic fundamentalist movements under the woke intersectional umbrella."
Was there a single riot because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?
Was a single store looted because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?
Was a single building burned or occupied because of Charlie Kirk’s murder?
Did a single leader call for violence after Charlie Kirk’s murder?
We are not like you. Most of us want nothing more than to be left alone. Don’t force your beliefs on us. Don’t start nothing and there won’t be nothing. In short, don’t push us because future performance is not guaranteed by past results. Personally, I’m not a “turn the other cheek” kind of guy.
Whose idea was it to have this guy right now speak? He’s a WH political operative… or something.
My brother is a hard-core Leftist who lives in CA. He wrote on X that Tyler Robinson wasn't a Leftist.
"Today, 9-12-25 at 1:14PT
@FoxNews
host
@RCamposDuffy
said
"This was a political assassination by the Left on the most prominent & important young voice in Conservative America. That's what happened."
Male host "Yes."
#TylerRobinson wasn't "the Left" Please retract & correct."
@Lem Vibe Bandit - A little Steven Miller goes a long way. He's right about so many things, but there's just something about the delivery past a certain time limit.
Like all the best funerals, this one is not about the deceased, but about Jesus Christ. I'll put up with listening to the crappiest CCM imaginable for that.
Rubio is a shining star.
Dave B -
Remind him -
"Hey Fascist, catch"
That is the unmistakable clear language of the Democrat party and their leftist adherents.
Jack Posobiec made the analogy between Kirk (pbuh) and Moses taking the Israelites to the border of the promised land.
Which means he made an analogy between Kirk (z''l) and MLK.
CC, JSM
It is very common for children to have different politics that their parents.
I submit if Robinson's parents were loyal leftists, they never would have turned him in. The would have pled ignorance or even hid him.
He is a star, Peachy. That was a heartfelt address.
And Posobiec said "we will overcome...their evil." Just pure genius. CC, JSM
MAGA is turning the memorial service into a political convention. No surprise there. I bet Charlie would be appalled by miller’s unhinged rant. I guess I’m supposed to be scared.
MAGA is turning the memorial service into a political convention.
Very much like the DFL did at Paul Wellstone's funeral.
If you think you ought to be scared by this funeral, your instincts are... correct...
The leftists must think the murder of Kirk was a bad thing, much as they applaud it, or they wouldn't be trying to blame it on a MAGA.
yeah that was a really evil and stupid thing you did, and then not to own it, with the stupid groyper misdirect 'give us a little credit' you reawakened a nation, to defame in death, was another stupid move, because you arguments cannot stand the light of day, they have to bend twisted and mutillated as they have done for 60 some years,
America was built on an idea, this is what drove the Pilgrims across the oceans, then others crossed the great expanse, 'from sea to shining sea
it was the Gospel, in it's many manifestation,
jim5301: " I bet Charlie would be appalled by miller’s unhinged rant."
What specifically is unhinged about it? Stylistically, it is a bit of a rant. But hey, the guy is mourning his friend. Probably a choice of shout or weep. Substantively, Miller said things Charlie (z''l) said and believes. Basically that this country is built on the things Kirk (rip) preached. And Miller finished up with "God Bless America!" Is that the unhinged part?
Also, very important to have a Jewish person give a speech so that this thing isn't seen as just for Christians. And to communicate that neither Charlie (pbuh) nor his friends want to suppress any other religions, but rather rely on the vast commonalities among them all. CC, JSM
this misdirection are quite lame, I'm sure the talking points will arrive thusly,
Now Tucker Carlson was a bit unhinged at times in his speech. His trademark laugh as he discusses the priests conspiring to kill Jesus (and by analogy Kirk) didn't really fit this event: "Hey, let's just kill him - that'll shut him up! Haw haw!!" All 100K people were uneasy at that, even though they understood what he meant. CC, JSM
"I bet Charlie would be appalled by miller’s unhinged rant."
You know what's appalling? You could have just asked Charlie what he thought, but he was killed for talking to people. Like you.
Meh. Six months from now this fervor will have blown over and Charlie Kirk will still be dead.
But the memories of how the ghoulish left celebrated his murder will remain.
Radical leftists find anything that isn't full worship of their corrupt lie-filled ideology as "unhinged" or "divisive"
It does not bode well how quickly a mob can be formed, even for a good purpose, for soap opera crap.
Useful to too many people with not good character, and so a significant instability.
Gabbard, a Hindu who took her oath of office on a Gita, gave another good speech that shows this is not just about evangelical Christianity. CC, JSM
Hardin: "It does not bode well how quickly a mob can be formed, even for a good purpose, for soap opera crap."
Oh it bodes very well. The other side prides itself on its mobs. This side finally, over the past couple of years, has shown how it can mobilize much greater numbers. Numbers of people who believe in an afterlife. The show of force will actually secure domestic tranquility, as the other side will chicken out. CC, JSM
Kirk, an at least sometimes nice guy, doesn't seem to be influencing good will on the right towards opponents, which is rather bile filled.
"then watching swaths of the left celebrate his death is not something they’ll soon, if ever, forget."
That is the real transformative experience for young folks. I'm not talking about any notable figures on the left, but just ordinary leftists on social media being absolutely gleeful, mocking, and celebratory about a horrible murder of a man in front of his wife and kids. One of the bigger emotional reasons folks are on the left is to indulge a moral inferiority complex. By assuming the absolute worst about the right regarding their motivations and the outcomes of their policies it lets many on the left feel like they are the good guys simply by being on the left. For many, this emotion is going to be impossible for them to hold after seeing how far too many on the Left reacted to this heinous murder. Many are going to be forever alienated and disillusioned from the Left.
You know who's really big on the afterlife? Islam. Their disqualifying error is in the name of the afterlife, they use all modern civic and political and technological resources to destroy the Western civil and political system. Which, even in its failures, claims to aspire to modern democracy and rights, stuff in this world, not the next. Islam goes only for the next world.
What's this about Christ again?
‘MAGA is turning the memorial service into a political convention.’
It was a political assassination. It deserves a political response.
rhhardin said...
Kirk, an at least sometimes nice guy, doesn't seem to be influencing good will on the right towards opponents, which is rather bile filled.
9/21/25, 5:03 PM
Fuck off, sperg,
"MAGA is turning the memorial service into a political convention."
He wasn't killed by a bear, or for cutting someone off in traffic. He was killed over politics and for being even a little bit aligned with MAGA. I bet the assassin would concur with your irritation.
There's the moron hypothesis to account for all this but doesn't seem likely on this scale. Lack of real education? Capable but not experienced.
Lack of moral education, probably. Just the sound of the Bible reading as school start has an influence. The effect of good prose (KJV). Not much of that recently.
we don't want to break bread with evil doers, is that to hard to grasp.
It works like listening to Paul Carrey and Ernie Harwell doing a radio ballgame at night, fading in and out. You don't even know who's playing. That would work at school openings too.
then you haven't been paying attention,
"rhhardin said...
There's the moron hypothesis ..."
You sure seem lately to be doing your best to define yourself as a far lesser person.
Moral education starts with: you have an obligation to the other guy. If you cut that off, you have nothing.
Kirk, in being willing to talk, is following that obligation. Nothing else.
If he knows what's right because of the sky-daddy, that's tyranny.
charlie spoke truth, they spoke lies, they continue to speak lies
Neither my family or I have ever been religious, and I'm not proud of that. Despite my stubborn agnosticism, I've always had a fond place in my heart for most religious people, especially Christians and Jews. Charley's sacrifice has affected me deeply. I've lost much of my anger toward the people who hate me and my political friends, and our leaders. I know he would never let hate like that into his heart, and he would forgive and pray for people who hate us. He would tell me to let it go, and he would tell me to love them and try to help them, and to hang on to them. I have friends who are probably celebrating Kirk's death, although I will avoid finding out if possible. I imagined telling them we can no longer be friends if they showed that to me. I no longer want to do that, and Charley is the reason. What a gift from a compete stranger. His impact is far from small or temporary.
then the Founders were tyrants are you really this stupid,
Hardin: "Western civil and political system. Which, even in its failures, claims to aspire to modern democracy and rights, stuff in this world, "
Yes, yes it does. Because it's based on Christian ideas. Ideas like every soul is worth the same, so every vote is worth the same, every dollar is worth the same, every idea is to be interrogated with equal rigor, etc. And Western Christians are willing to die in its defense because they know they will be resurrected. Unlike postmodern atheist lefties, who have only this world to think about and will back off if they look like losing, especially when there's no KGB troops with PpSh's behind them. CC, JSM
Erika Kirk gave a great, heartfelt speech. It will be a tough act for President Trump to follow.
It sounds like rharden is a bit intoxicated.
I do not hate the Left.
But there is precisely zero trust in all of them. Sorry, but the grace required for that has worn out.
They are enemies. I don't want them to die. But I do not trust them anywhere near anybody I care for.
she showed her mettle nine days ago,
God given just means moral obligation to each other. Every fact about god is an imperative. God is merciful means be merciful like him. It's an allegory. A survey of Harvard hundreds of years ago showed almost nobody believed in god. But supported the moral commandments.
Interested? Emmanuel Levinas, in _Outside the Subject_, the short chapter "The Rights of Man and the Rights of the Other"
The civil system starts with watching out for the rights of the other guy, not as a contest of wills. That's how rights wound up as moral. They define you when you grant them or fail to. (what defines you is moral.)
Obligation to the other guy.
no its not an allegory, would you adhere to the commandments if without a belief systems pragmatism, thats not enough,
Narciso: "no its not an allegory, would you adhere to the commandments if without a belief systems pragmatism, thats not enough,"
Charlie (z''l) debated a Hindu kid about the 10 commandments and got him to agree that, besides the 1st and 2nd monotheistic ones, they are pretty close to universal morality. CC, JSM
It's not pragmatism, it's phenomenology. The moral system starts with an obligation to the other. No other beginning. Religion, if it's any good, will say the same, which makes the religion attractive because it "seems right." The religion is secondary. Decent prose is a plus.
"A survey of Harvard hundreds of years ago showed almost nobody believed in god. But supported the moral commandments."
So what's the point? I don't care how people get there, but some really do, especially the ones who pretend to be above it all.
One of the reasons I always liked and trusted truly religious people just a little more is that I expect that with nobody watching they still have someone watching.
"But there is precisely zero trust in all of them. Sorry, but the grace required for that has worn out.
They are enemies. I don't want them to die. But I do not trust them anywhere near anybody I care for."
About where I am.
Hardin: "The moral system starts with an obligation to the other. No other beginning. Religion, if it's any good, will say the same,"
So basically the Law (Torah) is written on the heart of every man. You agree with Charlie (pbuh) more than you admit. Would you settle for chicken/egg? CC, JSM
It seems to me that morality brings people to God as much as the other way around, and that's just fine with me.
Vengeance Vance: Charlie (z''l) "was Athens and Jerusalem, the city of reason and the city of God, in one person." This is the guy Newscum or Spartacus is going to go up against? God help them. CC, JSM
I've spent many posts arguing that Judaism is more Christian that Christianity. In particular Sanhedrin 98b-99a which can be interpreted by an ethics-biased interpreter as every man is the Messiah. Takes on the suffering of the world, etc. The moral fact.
See Levinas _Difficult Freedom: Essays of Judaism_
google lead AI says, which I quote because domestic Talmud interpreters become very angry but they're from a different power structure:
Emmanuel Levinas's approach to Torah and Talmud analysis was taught by the enigmatic Jewish scholar known as
Monsieur Chouchani. Levinas studied with Chouchani in Paris between 1947 and 1951, receiving intensive nightly lessons in the Talmud.
Key aspects of Chouchani's influence on Levinas include:
A unique interpretive method: Chouchani's way of approaching the Talmud left an "indelible mark" on Levinas. It emphasized ancient rabbinic traditions of interpretation over modern historical-critical methods.
Holistic textual understanding: The "Chouchani style," adopted by Levinas, involves interpreting a text not just by its individual words, but by the entire context of the surrounding citation. This approach created a dialectical methodology for "widening" the scope of the Talmud.
Simultaneously traditional and radical: The hermeneutical approach passed down to Levinas from Chouchani is described as being both deeply traditional and radically creative, using ancient rabbinic sources to reinterpret meaning.
Ethical focus: While Chouchani left no written works, some scholars view him as a great, if unconventional, teacher of ethics who influenced Levinas's focus on the ethical implications of Jewish thought.
@John Mosby — universal morality = natural law = law written on the hearts of men.
ben carson remarked on skousens observations about the left's takeover of the commanding heights of media and education
Petrik: yes, exactly. Whichever end of the equation you approach it from, you wind up at the other end. Part of Charlie's (z''l) gift that he could bring this out. CC, JSM
well the Bible is a seamless thread from Genesis to Revelation,
rhhardin said...
It's not pragmatism, it's phenomenology. The moral system starts with an obligation to the other. No other beginning. Religion, if it's any good, will say the same, which makes the religion attractive because it "seems right." The religion is secondary. Decent prose is a plus.
What is the obligation? Your feelings?
The left: "How dare you...."
No leftists - how dare you. Own your "fascist" assassination talk and your lies - they inspire murder. Rioting. Moral decay.
Such arrogance.
Communist Demons do not deserve love or forgiveness. They must be shunned and ridiculed. These are not humans. -they are demons.
i think that overcomplicates things,
Maybe this is what democracy looks like.
Tweet from Laura Loomer
“The Democrat Party is basically the new Westboro Baptist Church.
When I was a kid, they were the most hated people in America.
They cried ‘free speech’, and then they disappeared because society SHUNNED THEM.”
Good democrats woke up and walked away.
This is not about Republicans or unaffiliated. This is about the corrupt democratic party.
Look at what is going in in the UK and around the world.
Anything leftism touches - rots.
We must not fear calling out evil.
Rots or turns to SHIT.
It's the closed knowable world that feelings respond to. The obligation to the other is transcendence of that world.
Trump is back on track. I'm oK when he slams the corrupt left.
The corrupt left must be made to pay for their lies.
rhhardin said...
It's the closed knowable world that feelings respond to. The obligation to the other is transcendence of that world.
So your feelings.
I see the nihilist doggie diddler is letting it all hang out.
good grief it's embarassing,
Revelation is all about messages with seals revealing and ending the world. It's about the appearance of the other guy in your world. Same transcendence.
the Dems want ruined cities, they want fentanyl to continue
wracking our people, they want us to continue to fight endless wars but never victory,
I am stunned to have seen that many speakers in a row deliver perfect messages from the heart for hours without a Teleprompter anywhere in sight.
The love there raised everyone to a higher level of communication…even Trump was winning the hearts watching at a higher level. Trump won the love of many skeptics. WOW!
you must really hate this country to want that,
Erika and Trump were both wonderful in their message and delivery, and their resolve is visceral.
Tradguy: there are teleprompters. They're the ones that project onto a sheet of plexiglas, so they're almost invisible, especially inside the armor glass. But I do agree that all these speakers believed what they were saying and didn't really need the help. CC, JSM
"Erika and Trump were both wonderful in their message and delivery, and their resolve is visceral."
While on the left, they're still trying to figure out how to make a shit sandwich sound appealing.
Beasts: Yes, Mrs Kirk has visceral resolve. Several times in her speech that look of deadly resolution came over her face. It's a good thing she's a Christian, because she could easily lead a rightie terrorist organization all the way to a successful coup d'etat if she wanted. CC, JSM
rhhardin: “I've spent many posts arguing that Judaism is more Christian that Christianity.” Hardin argues with himself that “Judeo” has been forgotten in “Judeo-Christian” by someone.
But, maybe not. Jesus in Matthew 5:17, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” Of course, the intellectual pretensions of so many atheists require them to believe that Christians are unfamiliar with Christianity.
I loved it when Trump said he hates his enemies. That's what most of America wants fri. Their president t. Except limiting xem, of course. They need to fear him.
Video of RH commenting...
Wait a minute. I see him. He's on the roof. He's writing something.
What does it say?
Trump was, as usual, a crashing boor, giving the mediaswine something to focus on other than the incredible display of Christian faith on display by speakers including by members of his cabinet. Erika Kirk’s forgiving the shooter was particularly notable.
I hear jets, guess Trump's left the area.
The most important thing that happened today was that the entire leadership of the U.S. government and the conservative movement came to this memorial and said just what they wanted to say and no one was able to stop them.
The deep purpose--and most powerful effect--of left-wing violence and near-violence is to prevent people from speaking out in order to manipulate public opinion. Practices and ideologies that are actually very unpopular can be maintained for a long time if no one is permitted to speak against them and the regime's communications apparatus constructs as fake information environment.
But once people are free to speak freely, preference cascades wipe out the unpopular regime.
Whatever the specific motives of the grotesque loser who shot Kirk, the motives of those supporting, encouraging, and cheering for his crime wanted to silence people through fear.
It didn't work, and that is bigger (and more encouraging) news that anything else said.
(It's sad, though, I couldn't bring myself to post this until the event was safely over in order not to jinx things. And we had the deranged thread-jack to provide entertainment...)
"... giving the mediaswine something to focus on other than the incredible display of Christian faith on display... "
He didn't even have to show up to do that. I'm sure someone could write him a speech that would make the media swoon with admiration and respect.
"Their sound is gone out into all lands
And their words unto the ends of the earth."
Poland had a moment like this when John Paul II went there and everyone realized they were glad to see him and they all hated Communism.
That moment lasted. That moment created in time the Polish Solidarity union and so in time overthrew Communism in Poland. And then it went everywhere else - in time.
This moment will last, too. Something different, more subtle but just as deadly will be overthrown. I'm sure now. This is the turning point and I lived to see it.
Trump destroyed the whole ceremony. He should have spent his time banging Stormy Daniels instead.
lonejustice is trying to destroy this whole thread. Fortunately, he will only leave a small but ugly blot on it to remind us what swine Trump-haters and Kirk-haters are.
I could feel the true spirit of Christianity flowing through him when Cheeto Pedo said:
“I hate my opponent and don’t want what best for them.”
And then in his usual dementia sundown ranty way, went on to bluster about the crowd size as people filed out.
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