The Nevada Sun has a hard-to-read explanation, but I'm linking to it because what I saw elsewhere was even harder to read. I'd like a straightforward, clear account of what the hell happened.
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It told me I was blocked from the site to avoid online attacks.
I copied the link and pasted it in the url bar and then it gave me access.
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The primary was done away with by the RNC, but the state declared it would be held.
Only the caucus will award delegates.
A candidate can't be in both.
Trump is in caucus, Haley is in primary.
So Trump has won all the delegates already
The link blocks users claiming it is a security breach. Interesting that The Nevada Sun doesn't want people to actually read their articles.
Also agree that other stories don't do much in terms of explanation. The initial part makes sense, that the GOP wants to hold a Caucus, but the Democrats that run the state's legislature decided the DNC and GOP must have a primary election. So, the GOP sued the state and is holding a Caucus like a party that gets to decide how to run their party and choose their nominee. After that, the news media rather not really discuss what the hell.
The Nevada GOP is holding a Caucus on another date, much like the DNC is doing in New Hampshire. The state is still running a Republican ballot on the day of the Democrat primary, 2 days prior to the GOP Caucus. And while running the ballot, some names like Mike Pence, Nikki Haley and Tim Scott are available, but you can't select from Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis, or Vivek Ramaswamy. Why is the state running a primary election for a party that did not request it? Why are some candidates listed and many others not? Don't know. The media isn't reporting.
The short news is that the "Nevada Republican Primary election" is unofficial to the GOP selection of a candidate during the Feb. 8th Caucus. Or even shorter headline, "the state of Nevada is running a fraudulent election."
The media will pretend the primary has some meaning, and declare Haley a big winner.
Maybe because their party Chairman offered him enough money to 'go away'. Oops. Wrong state. My bad.
If delegates to the convention are only decided by caucus results, what is the purpose of a primary?
I clicked your link and got this:
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I was able to search Las Vegas Sun and get to the paper where a local search found the article.
John Henry
"Nevada Republican Party officials have said they preferred running their own nominating caucuses because officials can require voter identification, use paper ballots, tabulate results the night of the caucuses and not use mail-in ballots or deal with same-day voter registration."
Isn't that the answer. They didn't trust the state to run a clean election.
Read an editorial in the LV Sun on this and, boy, they don't even pretend to give an honest report of the facts.
Love this line: “Election officials statewide are preparing for the Trump-induced chaos.”
Republican officials set up this weird duel vote system—primary and caucus—where the primary has no discernible reason to exist because the caucus decides the delegates (I think), and that’s Trump’s fault because he had some unexplained involvement with the hiring of those officials.
Apparently Nevada had a caucus, which in 2020 led to chaos on the Dem side - both Sanders and Buttigieg to challenge the results and demand a recount. Subsequently, the state passed a bill establishing a primary, but the republican party decided to choose their delegates through the traditional caucus anyhow. So there will be a Dem/Rep primary that awards Dem but not Rep delegates, followed two days later by the Rep caucus. Trump didn't put any effort to get on the primary ballot, because it is meaningless, while Haley opted out of participating in the caucus for reasons not stated.
The reason for the problems was that, after the 2020 Iowa caucus debacle, Nevada scrapped the vote-counting software that Iowa had been using and quickly pivoted to a Google-based product that no one was sure each precinct knew how to operate and that resulted in significant delays in vote counting. Also, despite it being a caucus, they had "early voting, which seems weird.
One distinction that I have seen is that primaries are run and paid for by the state, while caucuses are run and paid for by the parties.
I can't see the article because my IP is filtered (I guess), but my understanding is:
1. Nevada state law requires a primary election (apparently due to screwups in the 2020 Democratic caucus).
2. Republican primary is nonbinding -- they assign delegates based on a caucus.
3. Nevada Republican party rules bar anyone who stands for election in the primary from participating in the caucus.
So Trump opted for the caucus to pick up delegates and Haley opted for the primary for . . PR, I guess?
I didn't know the Republicans were preventing people on the election ballot from participating in the caucus. That seems a little off.
Like that guy last time, Haley will stick around for if/when Trump gets knocked out for any reason. Sorry, we're stuck with her for a while...
A caucus is a caucus, but a primary is fruits and nuts.
Any employment attorney can tell you that there is no rational explanation - this is just a pretextual excuse. They didn't want him on the ballot, so they excluded him.
rehajm said...
Like that guy last time, Haley will stick around for if/when Trump gets knocked out for any reason. Sorry, we're stuck with her for a while...
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Like Bongino says, Trump is the heir, Haley is the spare.
Balfegor said...
Nevada Republican party rules bar anyone who stands for election in the primary from participating in the caucus.
That's a key line of information, which explains a lot.
The Las Vegas Sun appears as a section within the Las Vegas Review-Journal. It is purported to be a separate newspaper.
“ The link blocks users claiming it is a security breach.”
Thanks. I deleted one letter of the URL, which fixes the problem.
so reading the article apparently
- the Nevada GOP is having running a caucus, and the state of Nevada is running a primary for each party
- your name can't be on the caucus ballot if it's also on the primary ballot because the Nevada GOP says so
- the Nevada GOP plans to assign delegates based on the caucus, not the primary
- the primary is happening before the caucus
kind of a fustercluck
With good reason, the Nevada Republicans don't trust the Demomcrats and they expect them to flood a primary vote with Haley supporters. Nor do they trust the Nevada election officals (after stealing numerous elections) to hold a fair election with mailin ballots etc.
So you can attend the caucus and vote for Trump and applaud when he wins all the delegates. Or you can vote for Haley and cheer with MSNBC when she wins a meaningless beauty contest.
Nevada GOP can give the state whoever it wants as a presidential GOP candidate. Mail in ballots will be the determining factor in the 2024 election in Nevada, and the harvest of those potential votes by Democrats will ensure the state goes to Dementia Joe, or the last minute Torricelli-like stand-in should Joe fall over. I think Nevada Dems should replace Joe, when he strokes out or stops being able to speak late in the campaign, with Kamala Harris for President and AOC as VP. Because of the historic nature of that, for the children, because it is right, and because it is equitable. It won't matter to the outcome of the total nationwide vote, the Dems have that in the bags already, ready to deliver for counting over several days in the necessary precincts after the election.
Nevada is right next to Arizona, and features the same kind of GOP fair-dealing competence as they do. Did I mention the head of Arizona's GOP has just resigned in disgrace for trying to bribe Kari Lake to go away?
Republican officials set up this weird duel vote system—primary and caucus
I assume you meant "dual", but it works even better your way!
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