Writes Hillary Rodham Clinton, in "Hamas Must Go/The terror group has proved again and again that it will sabotage any efforts to forge a lasting peace" (The Atlantic).
Clinton begins with an account of her brokering a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas back in 2012, a cease-fire that Hamas violated in 2014. Now, she tells us: "Cease-fires freeze conflicts rather than resolve them.... Cease-fires can make it possible to pursue negotiations aimed at achieving a lasting peace, but only when the timing and balance of forces are right."
She wants change not only in Gaza, but also in Israel: "Going forward, Israel needs a new strategy and new leadership. Instead of the current ultra-right-wing government, it will need a government of national unity that’s rooted in the center of Israeli politics and can make the hard choices ahead...."
ADDED: The first 2 sentences are too rich not to quote: "One morning in November 2012, I knocked on the door of President Barack Obama’s suite in the Raffles Hotel in Phnom Penh, Cambodia, so early that he was barely out of bed. I had an urgent question that could not wait for the president to finish his morning coffee: Should we try to broker a cease-fire in Gaza?"
Can't he just sip his Raffles coffee?
AND: That last question references this: "At diner, Obama brushes off question on Hamas. Says, 'Why can’t I just eat my waffle?'"
Yes, Obama's famous "Why can’t I just eat my waffle?" was a reaction to a question about Hamas.
Yes, Obama's famous "Why can’t I just eat my waffle?" was a reaction to a question about Hamas.
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Israel is optimizing this world, Gaza is optimizing the next world.
One of the top ten signs of the coming apocalypse: I agree with Hillary.
I’d like to see a big change: Hillary Clinton retreats to her wine-fueled exile in Yew Nork and shuts her fat yapper.
A man can dream…
"Hamas does not speak for the Palestinian people...."
No, Benjamin Netanyahu gave them money so that they can speak for him, and against a two state solution. Leaving that kind of stuff out can make people confused.
"Can't he just sip his Raffles coffee?"
The nearest fiction analogue to Hillary is Tracy Flick from the film Election. The annoying, unself-aware ambition, obsessive, social climbing, backstabbing Tracy Flick.
This story fits so perfectly with that image of her personality. The cloying, almost-slightly-aspergers intensity of a person that just cannot wait browbeat yet another man until he sees her point of view and grudingly allows her to run whichever train she's in charge of into a brick wall.
No she can't. She has something important to say, and dammit you're going to hear about right effing now.
Former Secretary of State trying to interfere in an ally's domestic politics.
That’s just mush from Hillary. Israeli schools don’t teach math by asking children “if there are 5 Palestinians and 3 blow up then how many Palestinians are left to kill?” Israeli mothers don’t have “martyrdom” as the highest aspiration for their children. And there are no crowds of Israeli students cheering the news of Palestinian babies being beheaded or baked in ovens.
It’s a bummer to hear both-sides bullshit, even phrased aspirationally by her, because she has up until now provided much more moral clarity than anyone in the current administration. I’m sure she still supports Israel’s right to prosecute this war but we need to be honest about the culture of death that suffuses the Islamic world and Gaza in particular.
She wants change not only in Gaza, but also in Israel
Hillary: There are bad people on both sides.
I also thoroughly dislike our “leaders” meddling in Israeli elections and politics and it’s disgusting to hear Hillary complain about it in this context. If the Mossad was not working so hard on opposing Netanyahu on October 6 then maybe they would have been paying attention to what was happening in Gaza to prepare for the 7th. So similar to our own situation with the FBI letting pedophiles go free in order to redirect all their resources chasing down peaceful J6 protesters.
"One of the top ten signs of the coming apocalypse: I agree with Hillary."
I concur.
Has Obama been filmed taking down Israeli hostage posters from NYC lamp posts yet?
Any married person who knocks on the door of another married person in the morning is someone who doesn't have early sex. Or someone who knows that the other party never has early sex.
Oh my Gosh! (Slaps forehead) Why didn't I see this before?
Hillary! Hillary is the answer!
Who can possibly replace Joe Biden? Hillary! Of course!
Who can save us all from Trump? Hillary!
Who can bring us a government of national unity that’s rooted in the center of American politics and can make the hard choices ahead?
You know the answer! The only answer! Say it with me!
Hillary!
Hillary in 2024!
She's the answer!
She's wrong. Most of the Palestinian people are indoctrinated to hate Jews.
It starts at an early age.
The part that gets me in this is: Israel apparently needs some "unifying" government other than the one the people chose for themselves.
Much like Biden declared himself a great unifier when he was elected. Oh! And Obama, too, was a unifier. Divisive presidents? Bush and Trump.
...it will need a government of national unity that’s rooted in the center of Israeli politics and can make the hard choices ahead....
She slips in the title of one of her worthless stupid books.
Hillary: You and Obama FAILED. The Arab Spring was bullshit. You destabilized everything and that led to the migrant influx that has destroyed Western Europe, and all the suffering under ISIS. Shit, you rekindled the slave trade in Libya.
In one of your debates with Trump he told you, "all those people would be better off had you done NOTHING". He was right. At the time in 2016 you thought it was a good idea to dog fight Russian fighter jets to enforce a no fly zone over Syria. You're and idiot. Go away.
Hamas/Palestinian Children - Watch what they are taught. Please. Watch.
Hamas does not speak for the Palestinian people...."
Neither do you, Hillary. The Palestinian people can speak for themselves. And they have spoken...overwhelmingly in support of Hamas.
Is Hillary talking about his woman?
Palestinian mother praises her terrorist son Muhammad Taraireh who murdered a 13-year-old Jewish girl in her bed near Hebron in the West Bank.
"Decades of Experience"
Really? Secretary of State, 2009-2013.
this
Hillary is a self-glorifying liar.
Obama is a Jew-Hating a-hole who gives the Iranian Mullahs billions.... Now Obama's husk-puppet mob-boss Biden did the same.
Hilarious to listen to the hack-D press try to spin all that money in Iran's hands - given to the Terror network. Oh - did you all know - Biden is restraining how they spend it! LOL/ Please buy that BS! LOL. Our media - obedient hacks and brown-shirts.
Did she miss that video of the Gaza grandmother who said she would sacrifice her 17 children and 65 grandchildren as martyrs for the cause. No, they don’t say the same prayers as Americans and Israelis do.
Instead of the current ultra-right-wing government, it will need a government of...
It's always about politics with her. Always. Left-wing or right-wing, no Israeli leader can get beyond the basic reality that Palestinians want to destroy their nation. It's been said often but remains true: If Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be no war. If Israel laid down its arms, there would be no Israel.
She's trying to ride something every normal person agrees with (eradicating Hamas) with her true intentions (getting rid of Netenyahu and the Likud party). Whatever. Netenyahu isn't going to stay. The buck stops with him. But he's not ultra right. That would be the last Prime Minister, Bennett, who teamed up with the left to oust Netenyahu. It worked for two years.
I'm guessing there's some back scratching going on behind the scenes, and this stance has more to do with Israel's judicial reforms than anything else.
But at least she is saying something that's missing from our left these days. Except Fetterman. Who knew?!
Note how she makes it about HER->. She is so detestable.
Put me in coach, I still got it.
It's not as if the waffle was more important than Peace in the Middle East, it's that Obama's enjoyment of the waffle was more important than anything that waddling, shrill harridan could possibly conceive of, even on her best day.
That's a Chicago state of mind.
I don't understand how Americans can support what Zionists are doing to Palestinians - wait,...
With her "decades of experience" she should surely know what doesn't work by now.
She's trying to be relevant in case Biden is pushed out.....she wants to be at the front of the line.
The children of Gaza are taught to hate the Jew from an early age. Basic kitchen table hate:
"didn't do your homework little Muhammed? Well -the Jew is going to come and kill you." That sort of backwards anti-human hot garbage.
American Leftist Democrat frauds like Crook Hillary - self-adulating Hillary - (who took money from Russia in secret)
Do. Not. Get. It.
"One morning in November 2012, I knocked on the door of President Barack Obama’s suite..."
Did she have to doge machine gun fire on the way there?
Eventually there comes a time of killing. This is one of those times.
It's what mankind does best. When words fail - we kill each other.
Hillary has been caught in so many obvious self-serving lies - Dodging sniper fire in Bosnia, named after Sir Edmund Hillary, all grand-parents were immigrants - why would anyone believe anything she says about anything?
Kate said...
Any married person who knocks on the door of another married person in the morning is someone who doesn't have early sex. Or someone who knows that the other party never has early sex.
Or someone who doesn't have sex and who's used to barging in on their spouse and his latest side piece.
So, Hamas must not be kicking in to the Clinton Global Initiative.
The hard left operates without illusions: they willingly support Hamas terror and expose their Jew hatred.
The nice left still has to shed its illusions: that Palestinians oppose terror and want peace. And its arrogance: that we know what's best for other people. If ony those deplorable right-wing Jews could be replaced by the "center," all would be well.
Thanks, I stand.
What are Israeli children taught?
"Dad, dad. I killed four Jews!"
Odd, since Bibi has shown he won't back down from destruction of Hamas, that allies are backing down from demands for proportionate behavior, cease fire, and other concessions from Israel. And noweven opponents of Bibi and Israel, like Hillary, are also acknowledging the reality that this time Hamas is not going to survive.
We dodged a bullet when Trump defeated this dim bulb.
Can Hillary say anything without introducing the "ultra-right-wing" crap? I actually thought she was sincere until she coughed up that.
We dodged a bullet when Trump defeated this dim bulb.
I believed at the time and still believe that the waffles comment would have doomed any other political candidate. He would have been known as waffles from there on. And rightly so.
But he was the anointed savior who would lower the oceans, etc. etc. Good God Almighty how blind do you have to be to have not known that the average county commissioner in my benighted state of West Virginia would not have been more qualified for the job than Waffles.
Can I call him that without being called racist? Or is it racist because black people like chicken and waffles? I don't much care. You don't have to a racist to hold Barack Obama in withering contempt. A jumped up Chicago ward heeler who advanced on the basis of a pleasing baritone and optimum melanin content.
Granted the alternatives of late haven't been much better, but in his elevation to the presidency we were scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Fuck you Hillary Clinton.
And how dare you try to tell Israel what kind of government it needs.
Fuck you twice.
Hamas must not be kicking in to the Clinton Global initiative.
HRC couldn't and wouldn't protect her Libyan ambassador, Chris Stevens. Stevens told her Libya was too dangerous during the summer of 2012. She did nothing. On September 11, Stevens and company are attacked in Benghazi. She did nothing.
Bankrupt Obummer did less than nothing. He went to bed because he had a campaign event in Las Vegas the next day.
Both of them should not go away mad, just go away. Never to be heard from again.
Blogger Kevin said...
She wants change not only in Gaza, but also in Israel
Hillary: There are bad people on both sides.
I don't know if that is a fair characterization of what Hillary's message was. Her message has been stronger support from Israel than what we've seen from the Biden Administration. She clearly states Hamas has to go, and she seems to suggest that calls for a cease-fire aren't appropriate right now and would not lead to any progress. Yeah she says she doesn't like Netanyahu, but her reference to ultra-right in Israel probably is also meant to include the Haredi, who from my understanding, very few in Israel are fond of, since they are the group that constantly push for unchecked expansion of settlements, tend to mainly live off welfare, and do not serve in the military unlike every other Israeli citizen. But, they are also an indispensable part of Netanyahu's voting bloc, and it seems like they would never agree to a two-state solution.
All that being said, this does feel like she is putting this message out there not merely for any possible benefit of the message itself but to put herself out there. It feels similar to the way that Gavin Newsom is putting himself out there. It makes me wonder what has been and is being said by the upper-level muckety-mucks in the Democratic party behind closed doors. Will Biden bow out at some point? Will there be some fight at the convention for the nomination? Hillary seemed to rule out a cease-fire at the same time she suggested she is someone who will strongly pursue cease-fires when appropriate. This sounds like a person trying to make themself appealing or at least palatable to a wide audience.
The great unifier: "We came, we saw, he died". Hillary Clinton, Oct 20, 2011 commenting on the death Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Gaddafi's death resulted in a flood of refugees that further destabilized the region. Her foreign policy failures are exceeded only by the present occupant of the White House. And yet she is, front and center in the Commie-Pinko news media.
she was forcing a hudna, thats difference from a ceasefire and always pushing on settlements,
much like her placating salafis in libya, egypt and tunisia,
Mark said...
"The Palestinian people can speak for themselves. And they have spoken...overwhelmingly in support of Hamas."
Then why were Gazans marching against Hamas before Oct. 7th? And why, when polled - before Oct. 7th - did 75% of the people of Gaza say they don't like Hamas?
Did you forget Gazans got Hamas through an election Palestinians did not want, but was encouraged by the United States and Israel - because the United States and Israel thought they could control it? Did you forget the Gazans haven't been able to have another election in the last 17 years? Did you forget Benjamin Netanyahu gave money to Hamas, to try to destroy a two state solution? Then how can you claim Hamas is fulfilling the desires of the Palestinian people and not Netanyahu?
I will go to my grave a happy man knowing that the evil Hillary Rodham Clinton will never be president. It is even better that Donald Trump is the one that beat her fat ....
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no she succeeded and as a result we have 1200 dead, of course John Lurch Kerry helped along the way, Tillerson who was too keen with the Qataris did release the pressure somewhat
The first Iraq war was sustained through a ceasefire. The second Iraq war was started through a disastrous withdrawal. And, of course, the ethnic Spring series in progress. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #HateLovesAbortion
She slips in the title of one of her worthless stupid books.
Good catch.
A policy that the United States does not get involved with or even comment on the internal politics of our friends and allies would be a huge improvement over the system we have now (and have had for a long time).
On the negative side, such a policy would prevent us from working against stupid and evil communists as we did from WWII until the 2000s. On the positive side, such a policy would prevent us from supporting stupid and evil communists as we have been doing recently.
But since our State Department has gotten pretty much everything wrong for the past 50-60 years, leaving the internal politics of allies alone would be a big improvement.
It could even be an incentive: be our friend and ally and we'll leave your internal politics alone.
But until then, doing the opposite of whatever Hilary Clinton says would probably be wise. The amount of suffering, misery, and death that woman was responsible for in one term as Secretary of State is truly astounding. At least she's good at something, I guess.
they share the same hopes for their kids—just like Americans, just like parents everywhere."
hands please?
of you Americans.. How many You have 'hopes' that your son will grow up to be a martyr?
Muntasir revealed his plans to his mother, according to what she later told PA Television. In her Feb. 21 interview, Al-Shawa described her response when her son informed her of his intention to die while murdering Jews:
“I laughed and told him: ‘Do you think being a martyr is something trivial? Go bathe, pray, bow down to Allah and then there might be a chance that Allah will agree to accept you [as a martyr]. The following night he came back to me as a martyr. Praise Allah.”
Are Palestinian mothers genuinely joyous over the deaths of their children as “Martyrs” or are they just keeping up appearances?
Mother: “My [Martyr] son had nothing called a funeral, rather it was a wedding”
Mother: “Today is [my Martyr son] Omar’s wedding day. There are no tears and no sorrow... we are all happy”
Father brags about bringing 4-year-old son to “dangerous” confrontations, tells of son’s wish to die and “go to Paradise”
Now do Afghanistan, now do Ukraine, etc. Clinton has a queer orientation.
Thought experiment: suppose that Hillary knew that, if she supported a cease fire in Gaza, she would get the 2024 Dem nomination for POTUS. Would she be saying any of the sensible things she now says?
“ Israel is optimizing this world, Gaza is optimizing the next world.”
…and Obama is suboptimal.
Now do Serbia, South Africa, and other basket cases manufacturered with a forward-looking ideology.
Then why were Gazans marching against Hamas before Oct. 7th?
According to the news stories, they weren't protesting Hamas policies and attacks against Jews/Israel. That they complained about economic conditions under Hamas is utterly irrelevant to the issue here of Gazans' OVERWHELMING support for cleansing the region of Jews "from the river to the sea."
gilbar nailed it. The Palestinians may not like Hamas, but they don't have the same hopes for their kids "just like Americans". No. This is just not true. If it were true we would have seen "Not in my name!" protests after the evil Hamas massacre.
Palestinians are raising their children to aspire to be martyrs for the cause. It's sick and awful and it needs to be confronted. Hillary provides cover for it. Odious woman.
Save these children who are raised in a militaristic cult!
75% of the people of Gaza say they don't like Hamas?
Did you forget Gazans got Hamas through an election
Did you forget, in the time it took to go from writing one sentence to the next, that Gazans voted for Hamas?
Did you forget the Palestinians around the world taking to the streets in recent weeks to express support for Hamas? Being a Hamas sympathizer doesn't sound to me like opposition.
A Jewish Spring? Stand with Hanas to mitigate their renewable progress against the people of Israel and Gaza strip.
gilbar
hands please?
of you Americans.. Except for indians, how many have had their land stolen, their families bombed and shot at for decades, and the entire world telling you that you should just suck it up? Could you see your son growing up to be a martyr then?
And - don't forget - at the time the Palestinians were betrayed by the British, the Palestinians were trying to get their independence from Britain, who sold them out to the Zionists. Can you imagine trying to get your independence, only for your oppressor to turn your land over to somebody else, so they can take over the job of tormenting you? Could you see your son growing up to be a martyr then?
Can you imagine listening to somebody like gilbar - if you were in Gaza? What would you think of the United States, knowing we were paying for Israel to do this to them? Could you see your son growing up to be a martyr then?
Hamas will rue the day it pissed off Hillary Clinton.
I heard Douglas Murray a few days ago, saying the people of Gaza were not "peace-loving hippies" like you'd be a peaceful, loving hippie after decades of these people violently abusing you.
I swear, the people defending Zionists are just devastatingly stupid.
One of the lies I was told as a youngster was that the rest of the people in the world was just like us and wanted the same things.
A fair world, a better world for their children, a chance to advance...
It's a lie
The USA is one of the few places in the world where standing up alone, whether in excellence or what is right, is admired. In all of Scandinavia and Asia the nail that stands out is hammered down is the analogy. Conformity is valued above all else. Liberalism in the USA wants this for us.
One of the defining characteristics of the US has been mixing of different groups socially and in business throughout our short history. English, Irish Scots, and Welsh don't get along with each other and mix in Great Britain as they do here. Not to mention Irish and Italians, and Germans, and all the other ethnics of Europe. Heck- I see supporters of Catalan independence here- Catalans should have their own country! Be able to govern themselves! They're Spanish, period, when they get here.
The rest of the world does not believe in live and let live. If their neighbor isn't just like them- they must be forced out.
What a prick (Biden’s word) move to interrupt someone so early in the morning to discuss a matter that could wait an hour later. Why would anyone brag about doing this? What makes it seem like a cool thing to do? I don’t think she ran over to so Obama this question moments after the fighting began, and if so, why then demand an Israeli ceasefire so quickly at that time and not now? Is it because many question the motive of demanding an Israeli ceasefire just moments after Hamas fired upon them?
Hillary simply has no idea how she comes across to reasonable people, even when she has intentions that others could get behind.
“ The Crack Emcee said...
"Hamas does not speak for the Palestinian people...."
No, Benjamin Netanyahu gave them money so that they can speak for him, and against a two state solution. Leaving that kind of stuff out can make people confused.
I don't understand how Americans can support what Zionists are doing to Palestinians - wait,...
Did you forget Gazans got Hamas through an election Palestinians did not want, but was encouraged by the United States and Israel - because the United States and Israel thought they could control it? Did you forget the Gazans haven't been able to have another election in the last 17 years? Did you forget Benjamin Netanyahu gave money to Hamas, to try to destroy a two state solution? Then how can you claim Hamas is fulfilling the desires of the Palestinian people and not Netanyahu?”
Crack, it is not necessary for you to keep on posting. You have already established your insanity defense.
Prof. M. Drout said...
"A policy that the United States does not get involved with or even comment on the internal politics of our friends and allies would be a huge improvement over the system we have now (and have had for a long time)."
Not in this case. We give money to Israel, even though they don't need it. We give money to Israel even when they do things we don't like. We give money to Israel when we can see that they're abusing people.
The US has the power to stop this horror today if our government said so. But we won't, because of the power of the Israeli lobby, just like we don't reign in guns, in part, because of the power of the NRA. People who give money are the people who are listened to and get results.
And unfortunately - and thanks in part to us - that's not the people of Gaza.
This is "Religion of Peace" bullshit. If you rely on something other than NYT and it's ilk, you have seen cheering crowds in Gaza, including children, celebrating Hamas. You may also remember the 16-year-old who stabbed the female IDF soldier last week.
Support for Hamas may wane temporarily as Gaza citizens get hungrier, but they are Muslms. Jew hatred and jihad are real and drive the fanatical quest for a piddling 10,000 sq. mis. in the midst of 5,000,000 sq. mis. of Arab territory.
Israel won't be the end of it.
By the way, just a reminder that the official number of dead Israeli kids from October 7 still stands at about 17 teenagers and up to three babies.
Meanwhile, the Israelis have killed at least about 4,000 Palestinian children in Gaza.
Now puff your chests out, and feel proud of yourselves: those are your tax dollars - that Israel doesn't even need - in action.
And why, when polled - before Oct. 7th - did 75% of the people of Gaza say they don't like Hamas?
And if they support the Muslim Brotherhood instead?
The title of the YouTube video you linked to is, "Gazans in rare protest against Hamas government."
So, in the US during any Democrat administration, Republicans will pounce (of course) on polls indicating that "30% of Democrats disapprove of the president's policy on whatever" - but those polls don't tend to capture the fact that most of those disapproving voters want the policy to be farther to the left.
The poll I've referred to a few times about Palestinian attitudes - which I still haven't found a source for; I heard it in the course of a YouTube video - indicated that although something like 70% of Palestinians disapprove of Hamas, the overwhelming majority nonetheless approve of killing Jews as the right strategy. This is a serious problem that will need to be addressed, if true.
Fatah was the problem. Hamas is the problem. The people of the Palestine territory, excluding the Israeli oasis, have been poorly served under authoritarian, transnational choices for nearly a century.
We need another Nobel Pieces (sic) prize, like we need another aborted baby.
"Knock, knock."
"Who's there?"
"Hillary."
"Hillary, is this a fucking joke?"
You know what, Guys? Israel sounds like a great place as long as you don't focus on anything they do.
And who is Hillary Clinton to say that Hamas doesn't speak for the Palestinian people? Sounds pretty patronizing (matronizing?) to me. This is like saying that the Nazis didn't speak for the German people from 1933-45. There were people in Germany who opposed the Nazis, and most of them ended up in the camps. But the majority of Germans shared the Nazis sense of grievance and supported them, at least until the war started going badly. Unfortunately, the Israelis won't be able to de-Hamasify Gaza in the same way that that the Allies de-Nazified Germany after World War II because the Hamas ideology is classified as a religion, rather than a political party.
Cool video at 9:00, Crack. It shows perfectly how the Arabs segregated the Jews onto a paltry 10,000 sq. mile reservation after expelling a million of them in 1948. Meanwhile, Arabs control 5,000,000 sq. miles of territory.
Arab nations keep the jihad heat on by refusing to accept "Palestinian" Arab refugees, but if they drive the Jews from Israel instead of murdering them they expect the non-Islamic world to assimilate them. Really?
Pro-Hamas/Palestinian supporters occupy neither moral nor intellectual high ground.
HRC has DECADES of experience in the greater Middle East? How long was she the SECSTATE? This is verifiably false and no-one in the media has the professionalism to challenge her on shit like this.
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Palestinians into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?...they are irredeemable, but thankfully they do not speak for the Palestinian people.”
A Washington Institute poll
A discussion from The Hill of recent polls
Ok. So, the first link indicates that in July of this year, as I said in a previous post, something like 70% of Palestinians don't like Hamas, but that there is strong support for, especially, the most extreme armed groups in Palestine, such as Lion's Den. This poll also indicated that a majority of Palestinians did not want Hamas to break the ceasefire, however, and that 50% said they'd support a two-state solution based on 1967 borders.
But it includes this:
Overall, 57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas—along with similar percentages of Palestinians in the West Bank (52%) and East Jerusalem (64%)—though Gazans who express this opinion of Hamas are fewer than the number of Gazans who have a positive view of Fatah (64%).
But it is organizations like Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Lion’s Den that receive the most widespread popular support in Gaza. About three quarters of Gazans express support for both groups, including 40% who see the Lion’s Den in a “very positive” light, an attitude shared by a similar percentage of West Bank residents.
The second link discusses polls about Palestinian attitudes about their government. Hamas, the ruling party, enjoys the most support, with the PA (Fatah) next. And in contrast to the other link, this discussion also says this:
By 70 percent to 28 percent, Palestinians oppose a two-state solution — “the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel.”
An even larger number — 76 percent to 21 percent — oppose a “one state solution …in which the two sides enjoy equal rights.”
Given a choice among three options for “ending the occupation and building an independent state,” 21 percent prefer “negotiations,” 22 percent “peaceful popular resistance” and 52 percent select “armed conflict.”
This is just what I'd expect from a lying souless piece of shit called Hillary Clinton. Does she mention that her only daughter is married to a Jew and she might not be objective when it comes to Israel?
In any case, her position just jibes with her position on Ukraine. No ceasefire, Kill more people, no negotiations, paint the other side as evil, call for them (Putin, Hamas) to be destroyed, say they can't be trusted.
Forever war - no matter how much it costs the USA taxpayer or how many innocent civilians get killed. Notice that she ignores that both Hamas and Putin were elected and supported by their peoples.
The world as a big game of risk, with HRC and Biden moving pieces around on a board. whoops 10,000 civilians got killed, guess that piece is off the board.
If we had decent moral people who cared about the USA in charge, we would be seeking a ceasefire in Gaza and the Ukraine and not fighting for the "The final solution". The Russians have a case, the Palestinians have a case. Sit down and negotiate.
This is just what I'd expect from a lying souless piece of shit called Hillary Clinton. Does she mention that her only daughter is married to a Jew and she might not be objective when it comes to Israel?
In any case, her position just jibes with her position on Ukraine. No ceasefire, Kill more people, no negotiations, paint the other side as evil, call for them (Putin, Hamas) to be destroyed, say they can't be trusted.
Forever war - no matter how much it costs the USA taxpayer or how many innocent civilians get killed. Notice that she ignores that both Hamas and Putin were elected and supported by their peoples.
The world as a big game of risk, with HRC and Biden moving pieces around on a board. whoops 10,000 civilians got killed, guess that piece is off the board. If we had decent moral people who cared about the USA in charge, we would be seeking a ceasefire in Gaza and the Ukraine and not fighting for the "The final solution". The Russians have a case, the Palestinians have a case. Sit down and negotiate.
Why is she in the news? Is she running for something?
Give war a chance.
The Crack Emcee:
I don't understand how Americans can support what Zionists are doing to Palestinians - wait,...
I'll let him respond.
I told you guys weeks ago, Hillary is in the game for the Democratic Party nomination. She is showing up everywhere the last 2 months. The sharks are circling Biden.
Althouse loses another “stereotype” battle.
The queen of feminism, the very icon of the modern woman, Hillary Clinton, fabricated the Russian Collusion Hoax in fury over being rejected. So, “Hell hath no fury…” proves to be true. Hillary has driven the world to the cliff of nuclear holocaust in jealous furry over her rejection.
Stereotypes are almost always true. It’s a rare person of any group who escapes them. The stereotype of gay men is right on the money, although Althouse denies it, even though she lived through the AIDS epidemic that proved it to be true.
Crack is the garden variety stereotype of a black man, blaming everybody for his failures and begging whites for a handout.
Assume a person fits their stereotype until they prove otherwise. You’ll almost always be right.
Gee. "Waffles" and "waddling shrill harridan". The commenters are on a roll today.
That said, the effrontery and self absorption of Hillary is always amazing.
She talks about her "decades of experience in the Middle East". I'm surprised she didn't mention her meeting with Saladin who was going to drive the 13th and 14th Century Crusaders out of Jerusalem. The woman has no shame. But she does have an active imagination where she is always, always, always the smartest person in the room (even while taking sniper fire).
I don't understand how Americans can support what Zionists are doing to Palestinians - wait,...
What did the Allies do to Germany in WW II, or to Japan? Was that not worthy of support?
Check out the video here for a hint (watch the very end).
Who's driving the bus?
https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/biden-unlocks-fresh-payments-to-iran-totaling-billions/
Obama's famous "Why can’t I just eat my waffle?"
If I were having breakfast, my waffle might look like Obama's.
No, Benjamin Netanyahu gave them (Hamas) money so that they can speak for him, and against a two state solution. Leaving that kind of stuff out can make people confused.
Insanity, stupidity or just attention whoring?
Maybe I should embrace the power of and.
I remember reading a book about the Texas Frontier some years ago, with each side constantly responding to the other side's atrocities. The problem is no one could really reach back and figure out who committed the original atrocity. The same phenomenon is occurring in Israel, and even if you got rid of Hamas new extremists will rise from the current conflagration, seeking revenge for family that are being killed as we speak. It will take centuries to cure this.
Ms. Pantzoot the Despicable doing what she does best mixing obvious bromides with self-promotion. Expect another ghostwritten doorstop early next year.
By sending Hamas $500,000,000 to fund their arsenal, Netanyahu effed up the situation way way worse than Obama ever did. No wonder Ronald Reagan is his hero who sold weapons to Iran after the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut.
"From the river to the sea..." the average IQ in Palestine is 83.3.
(The results are highly correlated with IQs and have therefore been adopted as a proxy for IQs by Meisenberg and Lynn (2011), who estimate an IQ of 83.3 for Palestine from the data. In this paper we present the first data for intelligence in Palestine measured with an intelligence test.)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093#:~:text=The%20results%20are%20highly%20correlated,measured%20with%20an%20intelligence%20test.
Hillary is very smart but she is also very evil.
She destroyed Libya and cackled at Gaddafi's death. I get it...dictator. But at least try to be stoic.
She, like Joe, has been on the wrong side of every foreign policy decision.
Bear in mind, Obama is Muslim. He was raised in that religion, and their rules state that he can never leave.
Gaza should be razed and the land used for grazing animals or turn it into a giant solar farm.
Muslims can never be allowed to live there because there is no compromise with them.
In their mind, God, actually God, is commanding them to kill Jews.
If I thought God commanded me to kill people and my church taught me to kill people and my schools taught me to kill people and my parents taught me to kill people, I'd be killing people too.
You see the problem...
"Can't he just sip his Raffles coffee?"
It was probably really good coffee...
Crack (9:31) knows that is a video of Gazans protesting Hamas because the AP told him so. And some poll told him that Gazans don't like Hamas. (Nothing is ever staged in Gaza. Note the presence of Hamas police and counter-demonstrators. /S)
Confirmation bias writ large!
Oh, and never mind that this BS is intended to prevent Israel from defeating Hamas terrorists because of the danger to "innocent" Palestinians.
Kill Jews, not jihadis! /S
'Any married person who knocks on the door of another married person in the morning is someone who doesn't have early sex. Or someone who knows that the other party never has early sex.'
Winner.
Didn't the Beatles sing a song, something something wood?
I’d declare a chubwa on Hillary, but I haven’t the stomach for it.
barky 0bama
teh waffle house incident
no hamas and eggs
"of you Americans.. Except for indians, how many have had their land stolen, their families bombed and shot at for decades, and the entire world telling you that you should just suck it up? Could you see your son growing up to be a martyr then?"
First, welcome to the last 100,000 years of world history. Like it or not, might makes right is actually life.
And the 'Indians' don't get off easy either. They were killing each other and stealing each other's land for thousands of years before whitey got here.
Last, Palestinians, Hamas, and Muslims don't talk about wiping out Israel, they talk about killing Jews. It's only partly about the land, but mostly about wiping an entire religion and people off the face of the earth.
From the river to the sea indeed...
"Not in this case. We give money to Israel, even though they don't need it. We give money to Israel even when they do things we don't like. We give money to Israel when we can see that they're abusing people."
We fund the Palestinians, and therefor Hamas as well. How do you think the Hamas leaders got to be billionaires, selling hookahs on Etsy?
"Since April 2021, the United States has provided over half a billion dollars in assistance for the Palestinians, including more than $417 million in humanitarian assistance for Palestinian refugees through UNRWA, $75 million in support through USAID, and $20.5 million in COVID and Gaza recovery assistance."
-- US State Department
The two state solution was sabotaged by Fatah or predecessor's attempted and failed coup in transjordan. Then they started a war and failed to bring Israel to her knees. No South Africa, not even a Kosovo, or Kiev, for you, and the people have lived in a state of dysfunction in progress.
rcocean: "If we had decent moral people who cared about the USA in charge, we would be seeking a ceasefire in Gaza ...."
Another history buff to the rescue! /S
Zionism is akin to Kenyanism is akin to Americanism etc. Judge a philosophy by its principles, not principals. That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one. #HateLovesAbortion
Stand with Hamas to mitigate their liberal progress.
"Meanwhile, the Israelis have killed at least about 4,000 Palestinian children in Gaza."
As reported by the Hamas Health Ministry and repeated by the news entities that had photo-journalists imbedded with Hamas terrorists. No further documentation or investigation needed.
"She's wrong. Most of the Palestinian people are indoctrinated to hate Jews.
"It starts at an early age."
To the degree this is true, the "indoctrination" they receive is the oppression, harassment, violence, and random arrests they endure from Israeli authorities first hand or witness in their neighborhoods. It is, after all, an apartheid state.
Howard: Obama, good. Netanyahu, Reagan, bad.
Got it!
Do waffles taste better if you butter them up on both sides?
"Can Hillary say anything without introducing the 'ultra-right-wing' crap?"
Right? She would save several words just by saying "Republicans."
"Did you forget Gazans got Hamas through an election Palestinians did not want, but was encouraged by the United States and Israel - because the United States and Israel thought they could control it? Did you forget the Gazans haven't been able to have another election in the last 17 years? Did you forget Benjamin Netanyahu gave money to Hamas, to try to destroy a two state solution? Then how can you claim Hamas is fulfilling the desires of the Palestinian people and not Netanyahu?"
They didn't forget. They either never bothered to know this or they do and don't give a shit. Maybe it's their antisemitism against the Palestinians.
"If I thought God commanded me to kill people and my church taught me to kill people and my schools taught me to kill people and my parents taught me to kill people, I'd be killing people too."
Then you're an idiot. I would have to ask myself why my god wants me to kill anyone. But then, for that to happen at all, I would have to believe in a god, and, for all my shortcomings, I'm not that ignorant.
The Crack Emcee said...
gilbar
Could you see your son growing up to be a martyr then?
No, not at all.. Not one bit.
I wouldn't want my son to grow up to be a rapist, either.
"'they share the same hopes for their kids—just like Americans, just like parents everywhere.'
"hands please?
of you Americans.. How many You have 'hopes' that your son will grow up to be a martyr?"
How many Americans are living under militarized and violent oppression?
'Right? She would save several words just by saying "Republicans."'
Weird how no people or organizations are ever ultra left-wing.
Funny how that works...
"'No, Benjamin Netanyahu gave them (Hamas) money so that they can speak for him, and against a two state solution. Leaving that kind of stuff out can make people confused.'
"Insanity, stupidity or just attention whoring?"
Truth. (This is from an Israeli perspective.)
From a Western perspective.
“Why is she in the news? Is she running for something?”
Of course she is. The pressure within the Dem party is rapidly growing to drop Biden from the next election. That opens up a bit of a vacuum. Newsom is pretty, somewhat articulate, but a far left lunatic, and a gross failure at running our biggest state, financially. VP Harris is very often a blubbering idiot, esp when in public. Who is left? Hillary! And this would give her a chance again to beat Trump, as she truly believes she should have last time around. She is owed a rematch! Her big problem here is that she and her husband have been out of the WH for 20 years now (by the time of the inauguration). They have lost much of their power over that time, in Dem circles. And no one likes her. But besides that, she’s a shoe in.
I appreciate her support here, but she's absolutely lying about Palestinian parents having the same hopes for their children as Israeli parents.
The indoctrination to hate and kill Jews begins in pre-school and continues all the way through, including summer camp and kids' shows.
She knows that.
She knows they hand out candy after reports of dead Jews.
She knows the mother of a "shahid" is honored, and to lose a child as a "shahid" is considered a gift.
She knows all that. She knows that they proudly brag, "You love life, we love death."
But she had to phrase it this way for obvious political reasons. Alas, it's that failure to be able to confront reality head-on which has kept this conflict going for decades.
Im sure she's heartbroken about turning her back on the religion who considers her a second class citizen, has a supreme being who had a 9 year old wife, and a religion that has a fetish about virgins.
and not just one virgin.
It must really be hard on her.
Joe Smith said...
"Like it or not, might makes right is actually life."
That's fine, and kind of explains Hamas raping girls on October 7, doesn't it? Let's stop pretending that we're civilized, and people who live by laws, or who have ethics. And don't forget that maxim if Israel somehow starts to lose it's footing. It's the law of the jungle, there was no other way. Because we should never expect more from ourselves.
US support for Israel is declining amid ongoing war in Gaza: Survey
It's such happy horseshit--the people who want to kill you don't REALLY want to kill you, it's just their awful terrible leaders and once we get rid of those few bad people then everything will be fine.
Ridiculous! The important videos from 10/7 are the crowds cheering as the murderous militants return with hostages and bodies--does Clinton (or anyone) believe that ALL of the massed throngs cheering and celebrating are Hamas officials?
The Left can't think beyond "democracy good." If the outcome of a democratic process is contrary to the Left's beliefs it's just quietly ignored--the people in Gaza don't *really* want to destroy Jews/the state of Israel, the people of California don't *really* oppose gay marriage, etc. Meanwhile their worldview is based on the belief that, if properly asked, everyone actually agrees with them except for a few horrible people (Hamas officials, Trump supporters, religious extremists who think abortion is wrong) and once those small minorities can be overcome it'll be heaven on earth.
Crack, I am getting very concerned about your health. Your invective has reached new heights. You have gone ballistic with Jew hatred. If you keep this up, you are going to have a stroke.
Gaza's children: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/bsEkvfqEgWE
Mead @ 9:45
OK. Thats was good.
hands please?
of you Americans.. Except for indians, how many have had their land stolen, their families bombed and shot at for decades,"
A little history pre 1492. Our native american brothers and sister were fighting each other in wholesale lots and stealing each others land long before the white man ever showed up. You don't honestly think the Inuit chose to live in the high arctic do you? Or that the Anasazi thought that laboriously building their homes on the sides of sheer cliffs was just a fun housing choice. BTW the Anasazi as a tribe were long gone before the white man ever set foot in the new world. And when the white man did arrive they were looked upon only as another tribe to either eliminate or ally with.
The "Palestinian People" are paying for their poor historical choices. Just like all cultures do for making poor historical chices.
Howard: "By sending Hamas $500,000,000 to fund their arsenal, Netanyahu effed up the situation way way worse than Obama ever did. No wonder Ronald Reagan is his hero who sold weapons to Iran after the Marine barracks bombing in Beirut."
Biden just released $10Billion more to his mad mullah allies in Iran (the primary funders of Hamas) because Biden's handler, Xi and the ChiComs, expect payment from their client state Iran.
And, once again, as in Afghanistan, Howard's Heroic Biden is leaving American hostages in the hands of the enemy with no demands for their release.
This is after Biden kicked in $100B+ to help advance the Iranian mad mullah nuke program ON TOP OF reducing sanctions against Iran allowing Howard's ChiCom allies and Biden handlers the opportunity to close on their $400B -$500B energy deal with Iran!
What a magnificent financial and geo-economic victory for the democraticals!
And all that after Howard's obambi hero kicked over $170B to the dems ChiCom allies/largest Hamas funders...including almost $2B in untraceable unmarked bills on pallets!
Hooray!...right Howard?
As for Netanyahu supposedly "sending
$500,000,000" to Hamas, was that Israeli money going to Hamas, or was that Qatari funds that Netanyahu AND the US allowed to be transferred to the Hamas government at the same time Israel allowed more work permits for gazans in Israel?
Howard is so desperate to change the subject that he is, once again, hot and heavy to relive the complete intelligence/military intelligence failure in the Beirut Barracks attack.
Nice try Howie...but not really.
Just sit back and enjoy the now irreversible New Soviet Democratical-Islamic Supremacist-ChoCom alliance.
You guys have labored long and hard to create it and now you have "succeeded".
Just how many ordinary Palestinian and Israeli parents has this woman actually spoken to in a normal setting?
For that matter how many ordinary Americans has she had an honest conversation with in a non-political setting since her husband was elected governor of Arkansas some forty years ago?
2014 is (almost) a generation ago. What are the age demographics of the terrorist's back then and the age of the current crop who attacked Israel?
‘Right? She would save several words just by saying "Republicans." ‘
^^This commie’s on fire!^^
please to pull over right now
and blow into this
O.M.G.
$453 Billion in oil and gas found in Gaza - and Israel's already cut a deal for exporting it.
"Palestinian and Israeli parents may say different prayers at worship, but they share the same hopes for their kids"
I'm not sure it's exactly the same hopes. I think most Israeli parents would not be pleased to receive a phone call from one of their sons, calling to say that he had raped and murdered a young woman. Sometimes those different prayers come true.
New information from Briahna Joy Gray and Haaretz: 1,175 people died in the attack by Hamas on October 7 - not 1,400 as Israel said. There was only one dead baby. 30% of the dead were Soldiers and Police Officers. Some people died in the crossfire at the hands of the IDF.
OUCH
"I don't understand how Americans can support what Zionists are doing to Palestinians ..."
You know, Crack, I'm kind of with you on this. Zionism was and remains a political movement with the stated aim of driving another race from their homeland. And they're pretty far along with that program, and they clearly intend to keep at it.
But I can't get over that video. A bunch of assholes pull into town, in a pickup, with a half-naked young woman in the back who they've been taking turns raping and torturing, and all the locals spill out into the street to congratulate them, and spit on her. I can't see any real problem with killing all those people. Can you? Who needs 'em? What for? Would you want them living near you?
If Hillary's running ... and this is her position on what's going on over there? Good.
She just told the Hamas-wing of her party (which appears be a significant - and extremely vocal - bloc) to go pound sand.
People (such as Cook) who assert that hatred of Jews is the logical result of the existence of the state of Israel, or the logical result of Israeli actions towards Palestinians, are people who typically have no knowledge of the Quran, its many passages of Jew hatred, what is taught in mosques; as well as lacking historical knowledge of the Mufti of Jerusalem and his connection with Hitler during WWII, or the massacres of Jews living in Hebron 1929, etc.
It's been so interesting recently to view video after video of people online who are ProPalestinian and anti-Zionist and see just how ignorant and uninterested they are about the history of the region (total lack of knowledge of the Ottoman Empire and its ending after WWI), total lack of knowledge of Islam and its jihad doctrine, total lack of knowledge of the indigenous character of Jews in the Holy Land for thousands of years and that indigeneity is not determined by numbers or majority of population but by residence, total lack of knowledge of how Israel came into being, how wars occurred, the offers to Palestinians of a state, etc.
Then you get the sophisticated haters like Crack who look into the history to look for information as ammunition, rather than for comprehensive understanding. For instance, one could look at the series of failed peace initiatives where Israel gave up more than they should for the sake of peace and you could conclude that some people would become very cynical about the Arab motivations for peace. Netanyahu appears to be that kind of cynic and his support for Hamas a calculated deal with the devil, but that does not make him responsible for the goals and actions of Hamas. He didn't make them murder, they chose to do that all on their own. As to Hamas's support by ordinary Gazans, I have no idea but generally people go along to get along.
Hillary is usually a knee jerk leftist who was BFF with Arafat's wife, Suha, but Bill got burned so bad that H. can't be pro Hamas or pro cease fire at this point. I remember her running after Arafat, after he walked out on the peace deal Bill worked so hard to create and complete. That left a mark. At least she is
'Then you're an idiot. I would have to ask myself why my god wants me to kill anyone. But then, for that to happen at all, I would have to believe in a god, and, for all my shortcomings, I'm not that ignorant.'
No you wouldn't.
If you're five or six years old and you want the love of your family and your peers.
They are actually being steeped in Jew-killing from the day they are born.
Add to that the abysmally low IQ of Palestinians and you have a recipe for what is happening now.
Kids don't know better, and they turn into adults.
There's a reason that advertising in the US is a $350B+ market, and it's not because it's ineffective.
As far as me being an idiot, that's just projection : )
'$453 Billion in oil and gas found in Gaza - and Israel's already cut a deal for exporting it.'
Well, those evil Jooooooos are good at business, am I right?
/s just in case Crack doesn't get it...
The Crack Emcee: "O.M.G.
$453 Billion in oil and gas found in Gaza - and Israel's already cut a deal for exporting it."
LOL
You idiot.
The Leviathan field in the Eastern Med (Levantine Basin) was a massive find up and down the entire coast of Israel (with Haifa a more "central" point back in 2010 and the Israeli's partnered with Chevron to begin pumping back in 2019.
I suppose its officially useless to get you to research anything.
The Crack Emcee: "New information from Briahna Joy Gray and Haaretz:"
LOL
Briahna Joy Gray AND Haaretz!
There was only one dead baby.
Oh, well, that makes it okay then.
Jupiter said...
"I can't see any real problem with killing all those people. Can you? Who needs 'em? What for? Would you want them living near you?"
Of course I see a problem with killing "all those people." They're the ones who've been brutally occupied for decades, remember? Where does this expectation they're supposed to be happy about it come from? Or that being ruthlessly treated by Israelis for decades is supposed to create benevolent angels when confronted with the people, literally, killing them on a daily basis - long before Oct. 7?
Israel has killed 200 civilians in the West Bank, claiming they're hunting Hamas. News Flash: Hamas isn't in the West Bank. Have you seen the video of any of those deaths? The IDF and the settlers they arm bound, stripped, beat, burned, and pissed on 3 Palestinians in the West Bank, but A) that's not unusual, and B) it's been no more trumpeted then all the other crimes that Israel has been committing against these people for decades.
You forget that the Palestinians have been dying sometimes in the multiple thousands, not just 1,175 people like on October 7. You should also remember this is Israel - a nation - against a group of people. Not two nations fighting. This is a totally lopsided battle. And the side with all the advantages are the occupiers. And one of those advantages is having America on their side because A) we feel guilty our government was filled with antisemites during WWII B) one way to get rid of the Jews is to put them over there, and C) we need the Jews to start some shit over there so Jesus can come back, and our evangelical Christians can go to Heaven while the Jews and the rest of us go to Hell. That's very important. Because I'm an atheist. So I don't want to kill "all those people."
People being occupied have every right to defend themselves. Even more than nations.
“You know, Crack, I'm kind of with you on this. Zionism was and remains a political movement with the stated aim of driving another race from their homeland. And they're pretty far along with that program, and they clearly intend to keep at it.”
On the assumption that this is not a joke, the ignorance of some commenters here is embarrassing. Jews in 1947 Palestine mainly were content with the 50% or so of Palestine they were offered in the UN partition plan, after repeated pogroms in which Arabs slaughtered hundreds of Jews simply for living there. The Arabs could have had a state in the rest (much larger than the current West Bank and Gaza), and would have been celebrating the 75th anniversary last year. Instead they launched a war to drive the Jews into the sea. If any Arabs were “driven out,” it was only in that context, and larger numbers left at the encouragement of Arab leaders who assured them that they could come back after the victory. Today 20% of Israelis are Arabs, with full rights as citizens. Meanwhile, it was the Jews who were driven out of the surrounding areas (N. Africa, Iraq, Syria, Yemen), some 800,000.
But go ahead and believe whatever is convenient for you.
Joe Smith said...
"Well, those evil Jooooooos are good at business, am I right?"
You said it, I didn't. So that reflects on you. All I care about is you didn't say it was a lie.
"Except for indians, how many have had their land stolen, their families bombed and shot at for decades"?
Do people really not know just how many white Americans immigrated to get away from violent persecution and oppression in the places where they were born? Irish fleeing the British, Russians, Poles, Ukrainians, and others fleeing the Russian Empire and then the USSR, Germans fleeing post-1848 oppression and later fleeing Hitler, Chinese fleeing a whole variety of vile governments, Cubans fleeing Castro, Iranians fleeing the Mullahs, and so, so many more. How can anyone be so ignorant as to think that Palestinians are the only ones ever to suffer like that, or that white Americans have no history of being victims of violence? Some people need to read a book or two.
Nobody's gonna comment on the fact there's been only one dead baby? You guys were into dead babies. Decapitated dead babies. You couldn't get enough dead babies. But now we find out there was only one dead baby, and y'all got nothing to say? With or without a head?
After Israel's killed over 4,000, I really don't think y'all care about dead babies at all.
I got news for all you dumbos out there. The vast majority of Palestinians don't hate the Jews. And those that do, aren't some foam at mouth devils who hate for no reason. Hamas believes Israel stole their land, and forced them into a crowded, oversized, open air concentration camp called the Gaza Strip.
The Israeli's control the food, water, and access to the Gaza strip. The Gazans have no political rights. And they have to listen to powerful Rightwing Israelis discuss who they are "animals" and deserve to have their small bit of land taken, and forced to flee to Eygpt.
You'd think Americans would take some sort of objective view of the situation, but I guess a lot of Pro-Israeli types in the USA aren't really Americans they're Weirdo Christians Zionists or Israelis who just live here.
But right now, none of this background matters. We have civilians being bombed and killed in Gaza, and we need to put pressure on Biden to stop it. We supply the bombs Israel uses. Biden and by extension, ourselves, are implicit in war crime, and needless civilian death.
Crack,
Let's call for a different show of hands: how many agree with your 9:05 characterization of what is going on?
It's going to be a pretty small number.
Why am I surprised by Cook here? I shouldn't have been, but I was.
To waffle or not to waffle...
Always an issue for lightbringer
The Crack Emcee said...
"... There was only one dead baby. ..."
So, he/she was like a mulligan.
/sarc
Monster.
Mary Beth said...
There was only one dead baby.
Oh, well, that makes it okay then.
One Israeli baby makes it OK to kill 4,000 Palestinian kids - who had nothing to do with this, as their parents had nothing to do with it? When you guys were screaming "decapitated babies" then it might've made some kind of sense, but one dead baby - with its head intact? 4,000 children, so far.
You guys really need to check yourselves for who the savages and monsters are.
"Nobody's gonna comment on the fact there's been only one dead baby?"
It's not a goddamned "fact", it's an assertion presented with no link, no reference to who supposedly said it, and it contradicts everything we have heard and seen from people with actual names who are in a position to know. It appears to be a bald-faced lie, presented by someone who is either a damned liar himself or a fool who repeats the lies of others.
Anyone demanding that the Israelis cease fire while not also demanding that Hamas cease firing rockets at Israel, and release at least the women and children held hostage, is not in fact in favor of peace. Only an antisemitic asshole or a damned fool could think that a fair demand.
Kids in school taught to hate Jews
Kirk Parker said...
Crack,
Let's call for a different show of hands: how many agree with your 9:05 characterization of what is going on?
It's going to be a pretty small number.
If you've been on this blog for a while, then you know I usually survive without much of a support group. How do I do it? By being right more often than they are. That's because I have convictions and they don't.
Weeks ago, they used to laugh at the concept of "safe spaces" for blacks and gays. Now they'll practically put their own lives on the line if we don't find one for Jews on campus. Weeks ago, they used to be totally against doxxing people. But now they applaud as a truck drives around, showing everybody information on people they don't like. I could go on, but you get the idea.
They don't believe in anything but hurting people. As soon as October 7 happened, they all went back to that early 20th century white guy talk about "savages" and "animals." And they're bloodthirsty. I've been none of these things. I haven't said I wanted to see anybody die. If that alone means I'm not gonna be in a crowd, then so be it.
That's not a crowd I want to be in.
"People (such as Cook) who assert that hatred of Jews is the logical result of the existence of the state of Israel, or the logical result of Israeli actions towards Palestinians...."
I didn't say "hatred of Jews is the logical result of the existence of the state of Israel...." Please read more carefully. I said, if they hate the Israelis as a result of indoctrination, (as asserted by someone else), the "indoctrination" was in the form of Israeli oppression and violence against them. Such animus, to the degree it exists, is "a logical result of Israeli actions towards Palestinians." How is that difficult to understand?
James K said...
"Jews in 1947 Palestine mainly were content with the 50% or so of Palestine they were offered in the UN partition plan, after repeated pogroms in which Arabs slaughtered hundreds of Jews simply for living there."
KING DAVID HOTEL BLOWN UP BY ZIONIST TERRORISTS (1946)
"Why am I surprised by Cook here? I shouldn't have been, but I was."
Surprised at what? That I am appalled at the ghastly violence going on in Gaza right now? I was appalled at Hamas' initial eruption of ghastly violence against innocent people a month ago, and I'm appalled at Israel's ongoing response, with many more innocent people suffering ghastly violence.
'You said it, I didn't. So that reflects on you. All I care about is you didn't say it was a lie.'
You didn't read all of my comments. Someone please explain /s to Crack.
OK...I will:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=%2FS
Drago said...
"I suppose its officially useless to get you to research anything."
Your dumb ass can see I just found out about it. I posted the link to where I found it. What the fuck more than that do you expect me to do upon first inspection? Was I supposed to become immediately fully informed on it before I told anyone else about it - in order to avoid your usual condemnation, I mean? Of course, I understand, there was absolutely NO WAY that you could've filled me in further, on what you know, without trying to put me down. That would've been impossible. Just like Israel can't fight Hamas without killing, so far, 15,000 Palestinians. Things just have to happen that way.
With white people like you around, when it comes to finding our humanity, everybody just has to temper their expectations.
New information from Briahna Joy Gray and Haaretz: 1,175 people died in the attack by Hamas on October 7 - not 1,400 as Israel said. There was only one dead baby. 30% of the dead were Soldiers and Police Officers. Some people died in the crossfire at the hands of the IDF.
I shouldn't feed the troll, but: Notice that Cracked provides no link, after recently demanding that others do so. Briahna Joy Gray is an American TV co-host with no direct knowledge of anything in Israel, but tweets assertions pulled out of her a**, such as calling the claims of rape and baby killings "lies."
The story in Haaretz that seems to be the reference here offers no count of babies, children, or any other group. It says this: "This list of 1175 names will be continuously updated with names that have been cleared for publication." In other words, it's not complete. Many on the list are just names without ages or photos shown, no way to know if they were infants. But there are dozens of children aged 5-17 with photos.
See here. It's behind a paywall but I was able to get around it.
NO matter how horrible Nikki might be - Hillary is worse.
Hillary wants everyone not pro-Hillary, in jail... or de-programmed. Obey.
The lies told by leftists. ugh.
Abbas Admits He Said No to Israel’s Peace Offer
The question of what happened in the late 2008 Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations between Prime Minister Olmert and President Abbas has been controversial since those talks took place.
But now we have the admission from Abbas that the Israeli version of events is correct: he said no. [...] Abbas walked away, just as Yasser Arafat had walked away at Camp David in 2000."
Get Out. Go live with your fellow barbarians.
James K said...
"Jews in 1947 Palestine mainly were content with the 50% or so of Palestine they were offered in the UN partition plan, after repeated pogroms in which Arabs slaughtered hundreds of Jews simply for living there. The Arabs could have had a state in the rest (much larger than the current West Bank and Gaza), and would have been celebrating the 75th anniversary last year. Instead they launched a war to drive the Jews into the sea."
Israeli army veterans admit role in massacres of Palestinians in 1948
Dozens of Israeli army veterans have admitted their involvement in massacres against Palestinian civilians in 1948, and acknowledged that Zionism misled them and is a catastrophe for both Jews and Arabs.....
And somebody told the world that already:
"When a real and final catastrophe should befall us in Palestine, the first responsible for it would be the British and the second responsible for it the Terrorist organizations [built] up from our own ranks. I am not willing to see anybody associated with those misled and criminal people."
Bari Weiss says it best.
Armin Rosen:
"Gaza Health Ministry is the main source on Palestinian casualty numbers during the war. Good reminder that they're actively trying to keep their own side's death count high."
and there's this - for you boo hoo Hamas supporters.
Candace Owens Responds To Ben Shapiro In Tucker Carlson Interview
She says Ben Shapiro has embarrassed himself, and people trying to make us go to extremes for Israel are wrong.
Hey, Hillary, in regards to all the subjects you raised and the suggestions your offered:
What difference, at this point, does it make?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
MarcusB. THEOLDMAN
Did this meeting with Palestinian families happen before, after or while she was dodging sniper fire disembarking from a helicopter ?
Normalizing hate. the end of the road.
The Truth - Douglas Murray
Sadly - Greenwald is a cookie cutter leftist when it comes to Israel.
Robert Cook:
"of you Americans.. How many You have 'hopes' that your son will grow up to be a martyr?"
How many Americans are living under militarized and violent oppression?
Hence the need to eradicate Hamas.
Crack Emcee: "Israel has killed 200 civilians in the West Bank, claiming they're hunting Hamas. News Flash: Hamas isn't in the West Bank."
Do you practice being this ignorant of reality?
Hamas is all over the West Bank, laying low, avoiding arrest by the Abbas' Palestinian authority which has hundreds of Hamas personnel held in PA prisons in the West Bank and shut down over 150 Hamas affiliated West Bank groups.
As with your moronic breathless supposedly revelatory gaza natural gas "discovery" story...13 years late (typical for you), you simply dont know anything and your entire framework for "understanding" the Middle East conflict boils down to:
-"Palestinians" (Arabs) are black and brown and good
and...
-Jews are all "Dukes of Hazard" whities who have no history in the Middle East and all just showed up in 1948.
Hopelessly dumb. Irretrievably ignorant. Impenetrably dense.
And Dunning-Kruger on stilts.
The Crack Emcee:
Joe Smith:
"Well, those evil Jooooooos are good at business, am I right?"
You said it, I didn't. So that reflects on you. All I care about is you didn't say it was a lie.
Just for anyone who missed Joe's origial:
'$453 Billion in oil and gas found in Gaza - and Israel's already cut a deal for exporting it.'
Well, those evil Jooooooos are good at business, am I right?
/s just in case Crack doesn't get it...
Notice how Crack tries to make someone japing him into the opposite.
All I care about is that Crack didn't say he was lying.
Notice how Crack has no response to his favorite ethics link's author saying how he would be appalled at Crack's views on this?
"Could you see your son growing up to be a martyr then?"
No, not at all.. Not one bit.
I wouldn't want my son to grow up to be a rapist, either.
So, here's quite a large definitional difference. In Christianity, and I suspect in a number of other faiths including Judaism, "martyrdom" implies dying for your faith - without killing anyone else. In Christianity, it specifically means dying pacifically (like St. Stephen, for example), while defending or holding to the Christian faith. It didn't mean "trying to kill as many unbelievers as possible before or while dying."
It has NEVER meant rape.
Crack and rcocean and Robert Cook - why this drive to defend what, if anyone else did it, you would find indefensible?
Last night, Biden ended his presidency with his failed attempt to read his notes throughout his "press conference." It wasn't enough that he had a pre-arranged list of who to call upon for pre-arranged questions, he could not manage to read his answers from the notes he had on his lectern. Stage 4 dementia, perhaps already at Stage 5. If he lasts in office to next year, it will be downright Wilsonian of him.
As to Hillary: she can stop now, she is never going to hold federal office again.
Then - frustration with the narrative is poking thru.
Note how the leftist "jounolist" walks away when he doesn't acquire the answer he wants.
Reporter ends the interview
The corrupt media and the pro-Hamasians like to minimize what happened on Oct 7.
"Sadly - Greenwald is a cookie cutter leftist when it comes to Israel."
I'm waiting for it..."and a self-hating Jew," right?
James K said...
"Notice that Cracked provides no link"
It was a compilation of information from two different sources. I thought it would be easier just to put the information down with where I got the source is from. To pull out this one example of me not using a link, compared to all the times you assholes have been shooting your mouths off without providing anything, is full of shit.
"Crack and rcocean and Robert Cook - why this drive to defend what, if anyone else did it, you would find indefensible?"
Can you be more specific as to what you think I am "defending" that is "indefensible?" (Or rcocean and Crack, as well, for that matter.)
Jamie said...
"Crack and rcocean and Robert Cook - why this drive to defend what, if anyone else did it, you would find indefensible?"
The words "Zionists stole their land" must wipe your mental hard drive clean every day, right? You just conveniently forgot what this is all about, right? There's been a massive 75 year old crime committed but you have the nerve to look at us and ask how can we defend these people?
By not suffering from hypocrisy, or cognitive dissonance.
"Jews in 1947 Palestine mainly were content with the 50% or so of Palestine they were offered in the UN partition plan, after repeated pogroms in which Arabs slaughtered hundreds of Jews simply for living there. The Arabs could have had a state in the rest (much larger than the current West Bank and Gaza), and would have been celebrating the 75th anniversary last year. Instead they launched a war to drive the Jews into the sea."
Israeli army veterans admit role in massacres of Palestinians in 1948
Quoting a source that even Wikipedia describes as "an outlet for the Muslim Brotherhood and its website strongly promotes pro-Hamas related content."
War is hell. Too bad the Arabs launched a massive attack on Israel in 1947. Hundreds of Israeli civilians were also killed, on top of the hundreds that had been slaughtered by Arabs in the pogroms of the 1920s and 1930s. Had they accepted the UN partition plan they could have had their own state along with a much tinier state of Israel in 1947.
"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" I rank this response right up there with the best of Joshu in Japanese Zen Koans. The waffle can be real or symbolic. The eating of the waffle can be to eliminate it from view, to enjoy it, to repudiate it, and much more. The querulous "Why can't I just..." is both self-condemning and recognition of the impact of others on one's life.
"I have investigated the lady who runs the tea house." "Why can't I just eat my waffle?" Almost as impressive as cutting a kitten in half.
Cook - DO NOT place words in my mouth. Got that?
My guess is Greenwald has no connection to the Jewish faith.
His faith is leftism first.
He is a socialist.
Greenwald often reports honestly (rare for someone on the left) - and he is allowed his opinion. It's just disappointing in this case.
"Except for indians, how many have had their land stolen, their families bombed and shot at for decades"?
The reality is that for the most part, their land was not stolen. They abandoned it voluntarily, at the urging of their neighboring coreligionists. The Palestinians who didn’t, kept theirs, and most are happily Israeli citizens. The absurdity of “From the river to the sea” is first, that the bulk of the original Israeli country, before they expanded, after being attacked, again and again, and esp with the shelling from the Gotland Heights, was honestly acquired by Jews. Some had been there for centuries (esp in Jerusalem, and much acquired in the 3/4 century leading up to their independence. The city that Gal Gadot was born in, was bought from a pair of Christian farmers, with Rothschild financing, and approval of the Turkish ruler. Jerusalem, while holy for Muslims, is even more so, for Jews and Christians, and as a result, apparently hadn’t had a Muslim majority for centuries.
Getting back to Crooked Hillary - her motivations are suspect for another reason. She is still apparently close to Huma Abbedin (yes, the one married for awhile to the Congressional exhibitionist, so enamored by his male sex organ, that he repeatedly posted pictures of it online). While she was Sec of State (and at least up through her election loss to Trump), Abbedin was her constant companion and confidant. Maybe evan Lesbian lover? She is also the daughter of the founder of a paper in next door Egypt that has long been the mouthpiece of the Muslim Brotherhood, her mother still runs it, her brother works there, and she did in the past. Remember the Arab Spring, where Egypt was given over to MB rule (until ousted by the military)? Ditto, the fiascos in Libya and Syria? That was under her watch, and always looked to me like Abbedin’s influence.
The Crack Emcee:
It was a compilation of information from two different sources. I thought it would be easier just to put the information down with where I got the source is from.
I do multiple links in a post all the time. Copy and paste the urls of the sites you already had to visit for your info to begin with into the comment box. Copy/paste the linkage template # times, put the landing text in each, copy/paste urls into template. Even with half a dozen, it only takes a minute.
To pull out this one example of me not using a link, compared to all the times you assholes have been shooting your mouths off without providing anything, is full of shit.
It is only one of many instances. And when people *do* provide links, you often pretend you went there (like when I linked to the Hamas leader's son) but display ignorance of what is there.
Have you checked my link to your favorite ethics class professor yet?
Nearly 200 comments. How often does that happen nowadays?
"Do people really not know just how many white Americans immigrated to get away from violent persecution and oppression in the places where they were born?"
Yeah, Crack. Detroit, for instance.
"That's fine, and kind of explains Hamas raping girls on October 7, doesn't it? Let's stop pretending that we're civilized, and people who live by laws, or who have ethics."
Crack, what explains Palestinians raping girls on October 7th is the fact that they are dirt people who need a dirt bath. Maybe we need to explore this a little further, Crack. How many justified rapes have you committed?
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