Althouse: At the Monday Night Café...

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At the Monday Night Café...

... you can talk about whatever you want.

५४ टिप्पण्या:

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...: These two videos cover the previous "I'm not crazy, the world is crazy" post.

How to be WISE: Accepting the gift that nobody wants

Hint: Manosphere guru

What do you do when you can't trust the institutions, we've all relied on all this time?

Hint: Eric Weinstein; ११/९/२३, ६:०३ PM
Original Mike म्हणाले...: This morning I watched a 2 hour recording of Fox News on Sept 11, 2001. Was working back then (had a 2-hr lecture to give that morning) and so I didn't see it in real-time. Jesus.; ११/९/२३, ६:०६ PM
TaeJohnDo म्हणाले...: The governor on New Mexico announces an executive order based on a public health emergency - she has declared a 30 day suspension of the legal open carry and concealed carry of firearms. She stated no Constitutional rights were fixed. The next push on using public health emergencies to destroy our Republic. I was born and raised in NM and left after college via the military. Moved back nine years ago, bought what I hoped to be our last house and retired in it two years ago. I sure do hate the thought of moving again, but the state is becoming more and more like CA, with no rich base to try and suck dry. I know the Texas hill country is nice, but humid in the summer….; ११/९/२३, ६:३३ PM
William50 म्हणाले...: A really good report on the injection-induced messed up clotting pathway.

Full Measure with Sharyl Attkisson; ११/९/२३, ७:०३ PM
rastajenk म्हणाले...: The Disney/Spectrum dispute is apparently over. ESPN is back on the menu.; ११/९/२३, ७:०४ PM
gilbar म्हणाले...: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-claims-without-evidence-he-was-at-ground-zero-day-after-9-11-attacks
"Ground Zero in New York — I remember standing there the next day and looking at the building. I felt like I was looking through the gates of Hell, it looked so devastating because the way you could — from where you could stand," Biden said during his speech at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Anchorage, Alaska marking the devastating acts of terrorism 22 years ago.
However, according to C-SPAN coverage of U.S. Senate proceedings on September 12, 2001, Biden was in Washington, D.C. and gave a speech on the floor of the Senate. Records show the Senate met in the morning, and a classified briefing was held for all senators that afternoon at 2:00 p.m. ET.

some people say that resident Biden is pathological liar
other people say he is a brain dead moron, that has NO IDEA what is coming out of his mouth

gilbar says.. Embrace the Power! of the word "AND"; ११/९/२३, ७:२३ PM
mongo म्हणाले...: My wife’s birthday is September 11. For the first couple years after the terrorist attacks, she said she wanted to change her birthday. Then someone mentioned that people who had a birthday on December 7, 1941 probably felt the same way. That helped her a lot. Has anyone else had a similar experience?; ११/९/२३, ७:४५ PM
rhhardin म्हणाले...: YouTube has been giving me no interesting recommendations recently - chiefly the same ones that I never watch over and over. Still, some of the algorithm is still working. It recommended Faure piano quintet 2 op 115 after I watched Faure piano quintet 1 op 89, figuring the string count was the important thing. (The strings swamp the piano in the important 3rd movement, where the piano has all the outstanding musical contributions and you can't hear them. Too much cowbell.)

The Arkansas police chases are always good. Nobody stops for the police in Arkansas.; ११/९/२३, ७:४७ PM
rhhardin म्हणाले...: Imus had the only good live 9/11 coverage. No hype, no soap opera, no breaking news.; ११/९/२३, ७:४९ PM
rhhardin म्हणाले...: 9/11 memorials have been a profit center for a long time now.; ११/९/२३, ७:४९ PM
Big Mike म्हणाले...: This thought-proviking article by Bridget Phetasy is worth a read. For the life of me I do not understand why self-described feminists cannot find it within themselves to side with rape survivors against biological males who wish to wag their penis and scrotum in front of the women. It's a new definition of feminism, is it not?; ११/९/२३, ८:०८ PM
Kakistocracy म्हणाले...: Trump’s trials will inspire a global epidemic of whataboutism

The power of the democratic example will have to stand against the false idols of totalitarian justice. What is on public display is that there is a difference between judicially independent rule of law and state-directed outcomes. What better trial of fitness for purpose could proponents of rule-of-law-based democracy ask for?

Will the federal judicial system and the governance system in Washington DC be up to the challenge? Under the Biden administration, probably yes, If a Republican administration comes to power in 2025, probably not. Look at the Republican party's track record since 2001.

On this anniversary date of 9/11 and memories of its misbegotten progeny, the Afghan and Iraq wars, it is well to remember the unprecedented judicial infamy of the Bush administration, the military commission and tribunals at Guantanamo Bay. This was a stark expression by the Bush administration and later the US Congress in passing authorizing legislation of lack of confidence in the US federal justice system and its ability to manage and reach just verdicts in such cases. The entire Guantanamo judicial exercise -- which continues to this day -- is a disgrace on US governance and shows the craven moral inadequacies of the government in Washington. The Bush administration wanted totalitarian-style guaranteed outcomes -- in short, extra-constitutionalism. (The Bush administration was correct to have little faith in its own competence but wrong to believe that the judicial system was inadequate when federal courts had proven the opposite throughout the 1990s.)

So Washington is trapped in its own whataboutism.

In contrast, the French put their justice system front-and-center on the world stage and held the Paris Terrorist Attacks trial in a specially built courtroom in the Palais de Justice on the Île-de-la-Cité, the center of the French State for over a thousand years, in 2021-22 before French judges. The trial of 20 defendants stemmed from the November 2015 Bataclan massacre and related attacks in Paris that killed over a hundred people. Verdicts were reached on terrorism for 19 defendants and one was convicted of fraud. An interesting dimension of the French trial was that the question of the French government's handling of terrorism security before the attacks was included. Former French President of the Republic François Hollande testified on this issue. In contrast to the open trial in Paris, did we ever hear President George Bush testify about his administration's many inadequacies and lapses before 9/11 or the reasoning to go to war in Iraq beyond his self-serving memoir? Is the American presidency on too high a pedestal? If so, putting a former president in the dock for conspiracy to engage in a false elector scheme might be a needed corrective.

There are absolute differences between autocratic governance and democratic governance. The coming trials will exhibit them to everyone's benefit.; ११/९/२३, ८:१५ PM
gilbar म्हणाले...: mongo said...

My wife’s birthday is September 11.. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

my nephew turned 30 today, so he was 8 (?) when it happened..
He said to me when he was 10 or so.. "Why do people make such a big deal about 9/11?"
He was very upset that his bDay was ruined..
I tried to explain, that there were about 3,000 people a little worse off..
But he never did figure out what i meant; ११/९/२३, ८:१७ PM
William50 म्हणाले...: TaeJohnDo said...

She stated no Constitutional rights were fixed.

Actually I think she said that neither the Constitution nor her oath of office were absolute.; ११/९/२३, ८:१८ PM
Joe Smith म्हणाले...: "This morning I watched a 2 hour recording of Fox News on Sept 11, 2001. Was working back then (had a 2-hr lecture to give that morning) and so I didn't see it in real-time. Jesus."

Most everything now is censored. You'll never see the photos of people jumping out of the buildings.

'Never forget' has become, 'Oh jeez, is it 9-11 today?'

***

"My wife’s birthday is September 11"

Happy birthday : ); ११/९/२३, ८:२४ PM
Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...: Imus had the only good live 9/11 coverage. No hype, no soap opera, no breaking news.

I was in Pearl River, NY listening when Warner Wolf called saying a plane had crashed into one of the towers, little did we know it was a big passenger jet.; ११/९/२३, ८:२५ PM
Joe Smith म्हणाले...: "9/11 memorials have been a profit center for a long time now."

I was there 6 or 7 years ago (pre-Covid).

It was a beautiful day and the memorial area was packed.

People were laughing and smiling and taking selfies.

I get it, life goes on, but little respect was being shown.

I was not amused...; ११/९/२३, ८:२६ PM
Mike of Snoqualmie म्हणाले...: My wife’s birthday is September 11. For the first couple years after the terrorist attacks, she said she wanted to change her birthday. Then someone mentioned that people who had a birthday on December 7, 1941 probably felt the same way. That helped her a lot. Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Today is my birthday. 69 today. I felt the same way after 2001. We'd celebrate either the day before or after for many years. We now celebrate on the date. We're doing b-day cards today and dinner tomorrow - the restaurant is closed on Mondays.; ११/९/२३, ८:२७ PM
Big Mike म्हणाले...: Today is the day to honor the first responders of the NYFD who charged into the Twin Towers, but today is also the day to honor Rick Rescorla whose foresight and demand that all employees would participate in evacuation drills meant that nearly 2700 employees of Morgan Stanley (which occupied 22 floors in the South Tower) survived the attack. He and 12 others died when he went back up into the burning building to check that no Morgan Stanley employee had been left behind.

RIP Rick Resorla; ११/९/२३, ८:२९ PM
Duke Dan म्हणाले...: Couple years ago I rewatched the video from 9 am thru 2 pm from the 9/11 archive site. Should be something people do every now and again.

My dad was born 1944 on Dec 7.; ११/९/२३, ८:३१ PM
Big Mike म्हणाले...: @rhhardin (7:49), man I thought I was one cynical SOB. I defer to you, my friend.; ११/९/२३, ८:३५ PM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne म्हणाले...: mongo said...

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Not quite the same, but... My (late) mother's birthday was on Sept. 10. My father died on Sept. 9, 1996. After 2001 she wasn't too keen on birthdays.; ११/९/२३, ८:४० PM
wildswan म्हणाले...: Aaron Rodgers knocked out his Jets game with an ankle injury. He was iron man when he was here. Too many parties in NYC?; ११/९/२३, ८:४० PM
Iman म्हणाले...: “The Arkansas police chases are always good. Nobody stops for the police in Arkansas.”

Add New Mexico and Georgia in the mix and you have “must see TV” for a few hours!; ११/९/२३, ८:४३ PM
Rusty म्हणाले...: Went out to dinner with some uber leftist friends of my wife. They were complaining about retiring and inflation having eaten up some of their savings. I happily gave them my impromptu lecture on economics and the cause of inflation complete with diagrams on napkins.
With any luck they'll never invite me out to dinner again.; ११/९/२३, ८:४७ PM
Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...: A Day that Never Ended
America thought it left the War on Terror behind, but the emergency never stopped expanding

MATT TAIBBI SEP 11

Twenty-two years ago jet planes crashed into the Twin Towers in New York. Within two hours they fell, starting fires that still burned eight days later, on September 19th, when Attorney General John Ashcroft asked for a sweeping expansion of executive power, telling congress on a Wednesday to have a bill by the end of the week. “We need every tool available to us,” Ashcroft said, and congress quickly delivered with “roving” wiretaps, warrantless searches, “trap and trace” searches, law enforcement and intelligence access to grand jury information, use of FISA monitoring for non-foreign situations, reduction or elimination of predicate requirements for FBI investigations, and elimination of judicial review for most of these activities, among many other things in the USA PATRIOT Act. It all passed on October 26th, marking just the beginning of what turned into a long period of radical change.

From 2001 to 2008 the U.S. internationally became the world’s Death Star, constructing the most fearsome military-intelligence state ever seen. Between 1.9 and 3 million Americans served in wars after 9/11, as the open-ended 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force led not only to invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but deployments in Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, Niger, and parts unknown, the list of foes covered by the AUMF remaining classified. Passage of new military commissions law made Guantanamo Bay the face of an anything-goes secret justice system, kept filled with “combatants” by troops from a swelling archipelago of 750 foreign bases. A “targeted killing” program headed by a fleet of CIA-run drone programs was likewise kept busy by a vast global surveillance net, newly consolidated after the creation of the 240,000-person Department of Homeland Security, the largest federal reorganization since the Defense Department’s birth in 1947.

It’s forgotten, but Barack Obama was sent to the White House in what a lot of the voting public at the time considered a referendum on the security state. The genteel Obama played up “constitutional lawyer” credentials, announcing in a national security address at the Wilson Center in 2007 his opposition to the “color-coded politics of fear” and “a war in Iraq that should never have been authorized.” Candidate Obama added it was time to “turn the page” with more peaceful means of “drying up” support for terrorism, a strategy that hurtled him past favored Hillary Clinton in primary season. Privately however he’d already met with people like Richard Clarke, who told him, “As a president, you kill people.” This is who Obama would actually be in office, an “idealist without illusions” who expanded the buildup, institutionalized the “kill list,” and in one of his last major acts, created a new counter-disinformation authority that helped birth the censorship state.

The 5th Circuit Court’s decision in the Missouri v. Biden case last week, which allowed the Department of Homeland Security (and its Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, or CISA) to squirm free of an anti-censorship injunction, underscored the central delusion of post-9/11 America. Voters thought they shut down the War on Terror in 2008, but American citizens were instead swallowed up by it, made subjects of the global dragnet. From the Towers to Trump to Covid to today, the emergency state not only never receded but tried continually to expand, looking to make the panic of twenty-two years ago a forever thing. How do we end this day?

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rhhardin म्हणाले...: Anderson and Roe Bach 4 hands is very nice, if short
Sonatina Cantata 106

It's not just Max Reger anymore.

Small butt on that woman.; ११/९/२३, ८:५९ PM
Buckwheathikes म्हणाले...: It's 9/11.

Today, Joe Biden was nowhere near Ground Zero ... the hallowed ground where 3,000 of your countrymen were slaughtered.

Instead, he was busy funding your enemies. He was giving the Iranian mullahs $6 billion of YOUR money.

What does it take, for you people?

What does it take? How many times can you be stomped into the curb by these traitors in your midst?; ११/९/२३, ९:०९ PM
rcocean म्हणाले...: The Arkansas police chases are always good. Nobody stops for the police in Arkansas.

Thanks RH. Just saw a couple. Weird wild stuff.; ११/९/२३, ९:१९ PM
rcocean म्हणाले...: Notice that George bush has been silent, this 911. Thank God. I'll never forget how that motherfucker went to the site of Flight 93, and instead of using the occassion as a chance to celebrate the heroism of "lets roll", and the First responders, he used it to attack Trump supporters and push $Open Border$. Listen to this shit. It still makes my blood boil:

At a time when nativism could have stirred hatred and violence against people perceived as outsiders, I saw Americans reaffirm their welcome to immigrants and refugees. That is the nation I know.

There is little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and violent extremists at home. But in their disdain for pluralism, in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols, they are children of the same foul spirit. And it is our continuing duty to confront them.

Sorry we didn't nominate your brother Yeb for President, asshole. But never use the dead of Flight 93 and the WTC to attack Trump and the J6'ers ever again.; ११/९/२३, ९:३२ PM
Big Mike म्हणाले...: @TaeJohnDo, I have abet going that gun.violence will increase as a consequence of Governor Grisham’s foolish executive order. I’ve been contemplating how I ‘m going to spend the money, because that’s about as sure a bet as I’ve ever agreed to.; ११/९/२३, ९:४६ PM
wildswan म्हणाले...: I know the story of the red bandana by heart and I remembered it today.; ११/९/२३, १०:०९ PM
Original Mike म्हणाले...: "Aaron Rodgers knocked out his Jets game with an ankle injury. He was iron man when he was here. Too many parties in NYC?"

He broke his foot the very first series he played for the Packers when he came in for an injured Favre. Spooky.; ११/९/२३, ११:५६ PM
Mutaman म्हणाले...: rhhardin said...

"Imus had the only good live 9/11 coverage. No hype, no soap opera, no breaking news"

He said it was the work of a bunch of nappy headed hos.; १२/९/२३, १:०२ AM
Mutaman म्हणाले...: Buckwheathikes said...

"It's 9/11.

Today, Joe Biden was nowhere near Ground Zero ... the hallowed ground where 3,000 of your countrymen were slaughtered.

What does it take? How many times can you be stomped into the curb by these traitors in your midst?"; १२/९/२३, १:०८ AM
Mutaman म्हणाले...: Buckwheathikes said...

"It's 9/11.

Today, Joe Biden was nowhere near Ground Zero ... the hallowed ground where 3,000 of your countrymen were slaughtered.

What does it take? How many times can you be stomped into the curb by these traitors in your midst?"

The fact that Biden was not in lower Manhattan on 9/11 makes him a traitor? This post might be the topper in Know Nothing stupidity, and that's a really high bar.; १२/९/२३, १:१० AM
Mutaman म्हणाले...: "40 Wall Street ( A trump building) actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second-tallest, and now it's the tallest,"

Donald Trump a few hours after the 9/11 attack.; १२/९/२३, १:१५ AM
gadfly म्हणाले...: wildswan said...
Aaron Rodgers knocked out of Jets game with an ankle injury. He was an iron man when he was here.

Jet's coach says the team expects an MRI to show his left Achilles tendon is torn. That likely means surgery and a lengthy rehab. It doesn't make sense to me that the x-ray, which showed no damage, and an MRI were not both available at MetLife stadium.; १२/९/२३, १:४३ AM
wendybar म्हणाले...: "That would be all well and good if we were in, say, France, but, when the dirty stinking rotten corrupt U.S. justice system is criminalizing political opposition, there's no point pretending this is a normal situation, right?

"There's no point pretending this is a normal situation, right?" And yet at least three-quarters of the candidates in that Republican debate insisted on doing just that: This is just a normal quadrennial election in the greatest country in the history of countries where we're renowned around the planet for our uniquely peaceful "peaceful transfer of power", etc, etc.

Sorry, I don't buy that - and evidently nor does the GOP base. Which is why Trump has a forty-point lead over his nearest rival"

https://www.steynonline.com/13761/the-real-new-normal; १२/९/२३, ५:१८ AM
BUMBLE BEE म्हणाले...: My manager called us all into the conference room after his wife called him with some upsetting news. We stood there watching the big screen. As if in slow motion a passenger jet came into view and crashed into the tower. I will not ever forget the sight of the people who were jumping from the burning floors, so high up. I remember an interview with a fireman who said they were warned of the people falling from the sky.
Rick Rescorla was seen in the movie "We Were Soldiers" as the guy who picked up the VC bugle.
He had terminal prostate cancer, and once quipped that it was no way for a man like him to die.
A Hero of unequalled scale. RIP Rick.; १२/९/२३, ५:२१ AM
BUMBLE BEE म्हणाले...: Dennis Prager clarifies...

https://amgreatness.com/2023/09/12/if-liberals-voted-their-values-america-would-be-saved/; १२/९/२३, ५:४७ AM
Jersey Fled म्हणाले...: “Aaron Rogers knocked out of Jets game with an ankle injury”

This is why you don’t pay big bucks to old QB’s. Risk of injury goes up with each year played.; १२/९/२३, ६:२८ AM
Jersey Fled म्हणाले...: “President Vo Van Thuong, thank you for such a productive meeting. This partnership is about unleashing our peoples’ potential and, with it, a range of incredible possibilities,” read the 80-year-old president’s (Biden’s) post on X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.

The image in the post, however, was not of the president meeting Thuong, but one of Biden greeting Vietnam’s National Assembly Chairman Vuong Dinh Hue.”

Dear God, when can we be rid of this old fool.; १२/९/२३, ६:४३ AM
Rusty म्हणाले...: Mutaman said,
"The fact that Biden was not in lower Manhattan on 9/11 makes him a traitor?"
It's not surprising that beta males, such as yourself, don't know what leadership is.; १२/९/२३, ७:१७ AM
wendybar म्हणाले...: ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.; १२/९/२३, ९:०० AM
wendybar म्हणाले...: Talk about a madhouse...All of this to commemorate 9/11 by the most divisive, hateful, delusional President in my lifetime.

Adrienne Watson
@NSC_Spox
·

We welcome this weekend’s announcement by Saudi Arabia committing $20 billion to support President Biden’s signature initiative, the Partnership for Global Infrastructure (PGI).
9:23 AM · Sep 11, 2023

Jonathan Lemire
@JonLemire
WASHINGTON (AP) _ US makes deal with Iran to swap prisoners and release $6 billion in frozen Iranian funds
4:09 PM · Sep 11, 2023; १२/९/२३, ९:०१ AM
Original Mike म्हणाले...: "It doesn't make sense to me that the x-ray, which showed no damage, and an MRI were not both available at MetLife stadium.".

An MRI machine costs over a million dollars. An x-ray machine less than $50k.; १२/९/२३, ९:४० AM
MadTownGuy म्हणाले...: Biden axes nominee overseeing home appliance crackdown after Joe Manchin's opposition

"The White House abruptly withdrew its pick to oversee energy efficiency regulations, including those targeting natural gas-powered stoves, after Sen. Joe Manchin's, D-W.Va., opposition.

In an unexpected announcement, the White House said it had pulled Jeff Marootian's name from consideration to lead the Department of Energy's (DOE) Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy (EERE), which crafts appliance regulations and standards. Marootian's nomination was jeopardized after Manchin canceled an Energy and Natural Resources Committee vote to advance the nomination to a full floor vote in May.

"While I supported Mr. Marootian’s nomination in December, since then the office he’s been nominated to lead has proposed stove efficiency rules that I’ve raised concerns about," Manchin told Fox News Digital in a statement at the time.

"While I appreciate that these rules would only apply to new stoves, my view is that it’s part of a broader, administration-wide effort to eliminate fossil fuels," he continued. "For that reason, I’m not comfortable moving forward with Mr. Marootian at this time."
Following Manchin's comments, the White House hit back at the West Virginia Democrat, saying it stood by all of its nominees.

"The president stands by his well-qualified nominees to do the important work of DOE," a White House official told Fox News Digital on May 18."; १२/९/२३, ९:४४ AM
MadTownGuy म्हणाले...: Tommy Tuberville's war
He's holding up military appointments. It's hilarious.

"intention of seeking the job himself. But when corruption raised its ugly head in the form of the senior senator from his state, Smith made the mistake of fighting back. He held a one-man filibuster and succumbed to exhaustion. The evil senator had a change of heart, someone rang a bell and Clarence got his wings. Thee end.

OK, maybe it didn’t quite end that way but it’s close enough for government work.

In real life, the evil in Washington never quits. If it did, no one would serve in Washington because there would be no money in it.

But also in real life now, Tommy Tuberville is giving the military brass fits by blocking their promotions and transfers to new commands. He’s Alabama’s junior senator having coached football at Auburn; he was 7-3 against Alabama which is all you need to know about any Auburn coach."

More at the link.; १२/९/२३, १०:०८ AM
gahrie म्हणाले...: "40 Wall Street ( A trump building) actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second-tallest, and now it's the tallest,"

Donald Trump a few hours after the 9/11 attack.

Trump was neither president nor a Republican in 2001. He was a major Democratic donor and award recipient.; १२/९/२३, ११:१४ AM
Narr म्हणाले...: Arkansas police chases? Only if the cop cars aren't being burned. (See Hughes, AR news.); १२/९/२३, १:५७ PM
Robert Cook म्हणाले...: "'40 Wall Street ( A trump building) actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan, and it was actually before the World Trade Center the tallest, and then when they built the World Trade Center it became known as the second-tallest, and now it's the tallest,'

'Donald Trump a few hours after the 9/11 attack.'

"Trump was neither president nor a Republican in 2001. He was a major Democratic donor and award recipient."

And a schmuck even then.

I have no idea if Trump actually made this statement "hours after the 9/11 attack" or if 40 Wall Street actually had previously been the tallest building in NYC, (and then only "second-tallest"), but if he did it points up his grotesque ego-caused tone deafness, in that he wanted to be sure to brag--on that day of mass murder in NYC--that he owned a building that had once been the tallest building in NYC and that day regained the title. Trump refuses to be overshadowed by any person, situation, event, or circumstances. It's all about him and his dick-measuring, to the dirty end.; १२/९/२३, २:४३ PM
Rocco म्हणाले...: Rich said...
"Trump..." (3,000 characters omitted for brevity)

Rich is trying to be the Russian novelist of the Althouse commentators.; १२/९/२३, २:४४ PM
Mutaman म्हणाले...: Robert Cook said...

"I have no idea if Trump actually made this statement "hours after the 9/11 attack"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/trump-pointed-out-that-he-now-had-tallest-building-lower-manhattan-he-didnt/; १२/९/२३, ६:५३ PM