१४ मार्च, २०२२

"He came to office, it seems, on a platform of little else except his clowning.... Once, when called a clown, Zelensky did not argue, but..."

"...  posted a video on Instagram of his own face with a big red nose upon it. The refusal to act like a grownup infuriated Zelensky’s opponents as much as Groucho Marx infuriated his political opponents in Fredonia, in 'Duck Soup,' with his unseriousness.... [W]atching Zelensky now, one does not think, Oh, wow, he once was a comedian! One thinks, This is what a comedian looks like in power.... The one willing to degrade oneself knowingly, as a clown does, is the one afterward most able to act with dignity.... In interviews with the French philosopher and writer Bernard-Henri Lévy in 2019, Zelensky made it clear that he was quite aware of the interconnection between his place as a clown and his role as a leader. When Lévy asked him if he could make even Vladimir Putin laugh 'just as he had made all Russians laugh,' Zelensky insisted that he could. Though, he then added, 'This man does not see; he has eyes, but does not see; or, if he does look, it’s with an icy stare, devoid of all expression.... Laughter is a weapon that is fatal to men of marble'...."

Writes Adam Gopnik in "Volodymyr Zelensky’s Comedic Courage/The Ukrainian leader shows how wit and mockery can undermine brutal authority" (The New Yorker).

From the Wikipedia article "Death from laughter":

Death may result from several pathologies that deviate from benign laughter. Infarction of the pons and the medulla oblongata in the brain may cause pathological laughter.[2] Asphyxiation caused by laughter leads the body to shut down from the lack of oxygen.

Laughter can cause atonia and collapse ("agelastic syncope"),[3][4][5][6] which in turn can cause trauma. See also laughter-induced syncope, cataplexy, and Bezold-Jarisch reflex. Gelastic seizures can be due to focal lesions to the hypothalamus.[7] Depending upon the size of the lesion, the emotional lability may be a sign of an acute condition, and not itself the cause of the fatality. Gelastic syncope has also been associated with the cerebellum.[8]

There's an article at TV Tropes on "Comedy as a Weapon," including some spoilers where laughter is a weapon that is fatal. You might as well read this one, because it's about a 1937 short story that you're unlikely to read, "Mr. Laughter" by Alexander Belyaev:

[T]he protagonist Douglas Spolding discovers the secret mechanism of humor and gains the ability to make anyone laugh uncontrollably. At first, he uses this power more-or-less benevolently, to [counsel] a failing standup comedian named Backford, making the latter an international star again. However, when Backford refuses to pay him, Spolding weaponizes his knowledge, almost giving his employer a heart attack by making him laugh at his jokes until he writes him a check for 10 million dollars. The authorities try to apprehend Spolding, but he just sends entire police squads into uncontrollable laughter fits, proving himself virtually untouchable. His downfall then comes when he decides to marry the wealthiest heiress in the world, carefully preparing a "plan of attack" to force her to accept without killing her... except he finds out that Ms. Fight is already enamored with "the Laughter King", so his entire plan turns out to have been unnecessary — which he finds so funny, his own mind snaps, and he falls into a clinical depression for the rest of his life.

But who is Alexander Belyaev?

He was a Soviet Russian writer — "Russia's Jules Verne" — born in 1884...

Belyaev died of starvation in the Soviet town of Pushkin in 1942 while it was occupied by the Nazis. The exact location of his grave is unknown. A memorial stone at the Kazanskoe cemetery in the town of Pushkin is placed on the mass grave where his body is assumed to be buried.

A marble stone, no doubt.

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rcocean म्हणाले...

So, now its good to have a clown as the leader of your country. Before it was, "Reagan is an actor" how embarrassing. Or Trump is a "TV Game show host" how crude and dumb. Somehow, if we found Zelensky had an IQ of 95, Gopnick would be telling us how wonderful that was. And how Brave.

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

No one knows what is going on in Ukraine. Everything is spun to support an agenda. What is your agenda? What is mine?

gilbar म्हणाले...

Watching Zelensky now, One thinks, This is what a comedian looks like in power.

Actually one Thinks.. Lucky for him that he's in the Biden camp (and thus The IDOL of the MSM)
Imagine for fun, That Trump was President and Zelensky (and Ukraine) were in the Trump camp
Do you think the Main Stream Media MIGHT (just Might) be portraying all this differently then?

That was a Fun thought experiment, wasn't it?

tommyesq म्हणाले...

Monty Python did it first:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBWr1KtnRcI

(The Funniest Joke in the World sketch)

tommyesq म्हणाले...

Also, wasn't Trump going to start a thermonuclear war by calling Kim Jong Un "Rocketman?"

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/no-laughing-matter-why-trumps-words-on-north-korea-matter

John henry म्हणाले...

Seldom discussed is how corrupt zelenski is.

I don't know because there is so little discussion of it.

He does sit at the head of one of the 3 most corrupt governments in the world.

He personally may be clean but it's not the way I'd bet.

Pigs might fly, too.

John LGBTQBNY Henry

mikee म्हणाले...

The Monty Python skit, The Funniest Joke in the World, explored this issue of weaponized humor quite well, assuming the joke was first written during WW II. No one could read the joke and live. The joke was weaonized by January 1944, translated into the German language successfully so that UK troops would not die from telling it to the enemy.

At 5:40 or so, the German attempts to create a similar weapon are highlighted, with Hitler himself delivering the punchline to the Reich's best efforts at humor.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hwqqd

It is my contention that the British of the late 1960s were in the same societal decay state as Americans are today, leading to the amazing applicability of Python skits to our own country.

Narr म्हणाले...

Moscow does not believe in laughs.

What a century that was. We may top it yet.

Jaq म्हणाले...

Remember his joke about Mein Kampf being sold out in Ukraine? Good times.. good times.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Saying what's obviously true but nobody mentions is another mode.

Michael K म्हणाले...

Reagan said he could not imagine how a person could be president without having first been an actor. This seems to apply to Zelensky.

CWJ म्हणाले...

Shades of Monty Python defeating the Germans with the "killer joke,"

RideSpaceMountain म्हणाले...

At least Ukraine got a comedian, all we got was an Alzheimer's patient who thinks he's funny.

hstad म्हणाले...

LOL - a New Yorker hit piece on Zelensky. I remember all of the Leftist MSM criticizing Reagan as a dumb actor. Well, their previous profession has very little to do with how they act and are perceived during a national crises. Like Reagan, who stood up to the Soviet Union, Zelensky has shown what he's made of - a real leader and patriot for his country. Unlike our current President Biden who has a 40 + year history of actually being a clown in the U.S. Senate and his current schtick as President. "Adam Gopnik" is the real clown with this disgraceful article in the New Yorker.

Mattman26 म्हणाले...

Let us not forget Monty Python's killer joke, which if I recall correctly resulted in Allied victory.

rehajm म्हणाले...

Refusal to act like a grown up

Where have I heard about grown ups lately? Oh yah The grown ups are back in charge. How’s that working out

There’s something extra sickening when US propagandists exploit a war for their own political gain at home…

Jupiter म्हणाले...

Oh for Christ's sake. You want to know about Zelensky? Ask who paid his campaign expenses. Ask who he transferred his foreign assets to before he ran. Follow the money. Ukraine has the best democracy Hunter Biden has ever sold, with Victoria Nuland counting the votes.

Joe Smith म्हणाले...

If everyone thinks you're a clown, literally and figuratively, then there's only an upside.

If everyone thinks you're a political genius, there's only disappointment.

Let's use a sports analogy.

Would you rather be the coach hired after the 175-97-0 Bill Belichick?

Or the 10-46-2 Bert Bell?*

*He was so bad, none of you has ever heard of him.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"Laughter is a weapon that is fatal to men of marble"

Ridicule is a good weapon, but overrated: the men of marble can do fatal things to you before you do it to them.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Writes Adam Gopnik in "Volodymyr Zelensky’s Comedic Courage/The Ukrainian leader shows how wit and mockery can undermine brutal authority" (The New Yorker).


This is just another douchey leftist thinking he is really fighting and really doing something.

A true hero this Adam Gopnik. Haha we are LAUGHING at Putin. HAHA! Take that you scoundrel.

Just like all the other True heroes like Mitt Romney and Lindsey Graham and Joe Biden. Just like all the other true heroes in the media. Just like the true heroes on this board denouncing their political opponents as putin puppets.

True heroes want to start WW3 and have other people fight it.

Ambrose म्हणाले...

Everyone has to be either the most perfect person ever or worse than Hitler. No one in between in our world

RideSpaceMountain म्हणाले...

@Jupiter

I don't know if what I've seen about him being worth $1.3 billion is true or not, I don't trust such info regardless of source without verification.

All I'll say is, if it's true, it's worth looking into.

Jefferson's Revenge म्हणाले...

The heroes are the citizens with the rifles. But to admit that would be to destroy the "no one needs an AR" narrative.

robother म्हणाले...

Who can forget the black humor of Slim Pickens riding an H-Bomb down to the USSR? I imagine that there was a lot of black humor during the Black Plague, too.

I once read a dark meditation on Lenny Bruce, exploring the sado-masochistic dynamic of the comedian-crowd relationship. Zelenskyy may have similar dark ambiguities in his relationship to the Ukraininan people he is urging onto the pyre.

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed म्हणाले...

Poor Achilles - still rootin' for Putin. And his heroes of the former Soviet Union are getting their comeuppance at the hands of those corrupt Nazis funded by Progressive elites from the West. Achilles has many sadz. Poor Achilles.

I think the funniest thing about the Putin Puppets in this group is that they think somehow the corruption of the Ukraine government is some sort of reason not to support Ukraine in this war. As if their hero Putin is any less corrupt.

From what I can see, it's all a wash. The difference is whether we're rooting for a corrupt ethno-nationalist hell-bent on recapturing the territory that his former empire forcibly occupied, or the corrupt residents of said territory that were brutalized by the former empire and do not wish to be reincorporated into the re-created empire.

RoseAnne म्हणाले...

True heroes are in the moment or in a series of moments.

A Florida State Trooper put her car in front of a speeding car because she was the last one who could. Saved countless lives as a result. She was the hero for that moment regardless of what else may have or will happen in her life.

Thousands of grandparents have heard the news that their grandchild has no home. They invite them in, fix them a meal and put together a clean, safe place for them to sleep. Then they do the same thing for another week, 6 months or until they are old enough to go out on their own. They didn't ask to be parents again, but they do it day after day as long as they are needed. They are heroes because they stepped up in each moment.

Zelensky has taken on the role of resistance leader. It is one of many roles he has had in his life. Ukraine could have surrendered to Russian tanks or fought the Russians. The people of Ukraine seem to have preferred resistance. So Zelensky has chosen the role that the people seem to have wanted him to take. Doesn't matter if it is what anyone else would have chosen - given Russian history there is no reason to assume they would have been massacred by Russians anyway. So, with other options, Zelensky made the choice to stay and lead his people in this moment.









Achilles म्हणाले...

I do love how Mitt Romney is completely self immolating right now.

Tulsi Gabbard just took his soul.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

"It is my contention that the British of the late 1960s were in the same societal decay state as Americans are today, leading to the amazing applicability of Python skits to our own country."

A total war engages a substantial fraction of a nation's males, and kills many or most of them. It has been suggested that the fraction killed tends to be the most warlike, and a sufficiently lethal war changes the genetic composition of the populace. This happened to France, beginning in the Napoleonic disasters and culminating in WWI, which left them unable to mount an effective defense in 1939. The 20th century was hard on the WiPiPo.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

What would Tulsi Gabbard (who, let us not forget, is a fucking Democrat from Hawaii) want with Mitt Romney's soul?

n.n म्हणाले...

32... 33 trimesters to offer reconciliation, remediation, and stop assaults on Ukrainians by forces from and aligned with the post-coup regime in Kiev. 32... 33 trimesters to open and/or document the joint Ukrainian/American "Wuhan" enterprise. Perhaps a JCPOA without betraying the People's protests, without unilaterally reordered/redistributed claims, without the implicit justification of transnational terrorism, too. Not another Tripoli, another Cairo, another Damascus, another Kabul, another Kiev. A Slavic Spring in the Spring series with "benefits".

Michael K म्हणाले...

More "Putin puppet" smears. It was before my time but the Serbs were equally smeared and that was 1914. It didn't matter who was at fault by the end.

Howard म्हणाले...

Zelensky is the most popular leader in the world, pro Putin Trump cucks hardest hit.

Joe Smith म्हणाले...

'The heroes are the citizens with the rifles. But to admit that would be to destroy the "no one needs an AR" narrative.'

Liberals breathlessly praising the Ukrainians bravely battling Putin with AR15s and AK47s handed out to the masses at every police station.

Gun grabbers hardest hit...

ccscientist म्हणाले...

A good comedian needs to both understand the current order and rules, and the contradictions or flaws in those rules/systems. This makes Zelensky just the right man for an insane situation. It helps of course that he also has courage and loves his country. I would not be sad at all if a conservative comedian became US president. Trump in fact was quite the comedian during his rallies.

robother म्हणाले...

"From what I can see, it's all a wash."

So, from your point of view, pretty much like the Iraq-Iran war (about which Henry Kissinger said "it's a shame someone has to win"). I would like to think there's a difference between seeing that the USA has no national interest at stake and actively feeding arms into a conflict in the hope that both sides continue to slaughter each other. But Victoria Nuland may disagree.

jaydub म्हणाले...

I don't know whether Zelensky is corrupt or not, but I can't think of a situation wherein I would rather have rcocean, Achilles, Timmy or any of the other keyboard commandos who populate this site by my side in a fight than I would Zelensky. After all, he stayed and fought and led his people rather than carping from a different continent while complaining that his country's only available savior is not sufficiently pure for the role no one else seems to be scrambling to rip from his hands. Some questions for the non participators in the peanut gallery: If he has billions squirreled away why would he not have run? Why didn't he accept Biden's offer of a plane ride to safety instead of thumbing his nose at Putin and putting his life on the line. If he is so corrupt and so vile, why do Ukrainians follow his lead while supporting his efforts with their lives? If Zelensky cut and ran instead of leading the nation who is going to fill the void in the arena - rcocean? Achilles? Jupiter? Timmy? You people wouldn't recognize courage or patriotism if you life depended on it. He's fought the big bad Ruskies to a draw this far, and if he can keep it going to the end of the month he may be able to bleed Putin dry of arms, ammunition, men and money. Not a one of you here could have done the job he's done, and none of you pissants would have even had the balls to try. So, just STFU and enjoy watching a better man, win or lose, do what he is apparently destined to do.

J Melcher म्हणाले...

It is my contention that the British of the late 1960s were in the same societal decay state as Americans are today,

Well, the early 1980's BBC series Yes, Minister has no better, newer, or more complete lessons, 40 years later, in comically illustrating the conflicting agendas and constant tension between the elected leader (considered to be a bit intellectually dim) and the elite and well-credentialed permanent staff (the "Deep State").

Speaking of Monty Python, what do we think of comic legend and Python alumni John Cleese getting cancelled in Texas, recently?

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/03/13/the-british-have-been-slaves-comedy-icon-cleese-has-mic-taken-for-mocking-reparations/

(I'm willing to continue to include Austin as a part of Texas but some of my neighbors differ...)

J Melcher म्हणाले...

Tulsi Gabbard (who, let us not forget, is a fucking Democrat from Hawaii) ...

Let us never forget that among Democratic primary voters in the 2020 election cycle, Gabbard was better received and earned more delegates to the national convention than the woman who now serves as our Vice President. (who, let us also never forget, gained fame as consort ((to put it mildly)) to California's Willie Brown. Talk about fornicating Democrats, much?)

n.n म्हणाले...

Tulsi Gabbard just took his soul.

I don't know her religion. Perhaps not soul. Gabbard is not a reaper. She's a principled choice, a viable Democrat candidate.

Inga म्हणाले...

“I think the funniest thing about the Putin Puppets in this group is that they think somehow the corruption of the Ukraine government is some sort of reason not to support Ukraine in this war. As if their hero Putin is any less corrupt.”

When Putin’s most current disinformation has been in circulation for a day or so, soon we hear the rightosphere repeating it. One can count on F. Carlson and Putin Fannity of Fox dutifully repeating it. What would Putin do that would make you people stop defending him and believing disinformation directly from Putin’s regime?

TickTock म्हणाले...

Worth a read, if you haven't already.

The New Cold War by Elliott Abrams,
https://www.cfr.org/blog/new-cold-war-0

tommyesq म्हणाले...

An oddly high proportion of commenters (myself included) are apparently big Monty Python fans. Wonder what that might mean about this blog...?

roesch/voltaire म्हणाले...

Well Trump was an actor before he became president and clown once in office so what is the point?

Achilles म्हणाले...

TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...

Poor Achilles - still rootin' for Putin. And his heroes of the former Soviet Union are getting their comeuppance at the hands of those corrupt Nazis funded by Progressive elites from the West. Achilles has many sadz. Poor Achilles.

I think the funniest thing about the Putin Puppets in this group is that they think somehow the corruption of the Ukraine government is some sort of reason not to support Ukraine in this war. As if their hero Putin is any less corrupt.


You can't argue against what I say.

So you make shit up.

It is a standard tactic of stupid people.

Putin is mortally wounded now as a leader. It is only a matter of time before he is ousted and he will not be able to retire now.

I look forward to his demise.

But in your stupidity you have to attribute to me opinions and words that are not my own.

You are a pathetic loser.

Achilles म्हणाले...

This is for all you badasses out there that are going to talk a lot about going to war with Russia.

You are just bad asses. Really really tough.

Stupid. But tough.

Meanwhile only traitors talk about biolabs in Ukraine and the obvious corruption of our leadership like the Bidens and Romneys.

Michael म्हणाले...

Know who else is a successful stand-up comic among many other things: Donald Trump. Just sayin'...

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

Looking back at how demonizing tyrants worked before, it seems to me it has been a dismal failure. Sadam Husein, Muammar Gaddafi, it led to their removal and death.

Let's hope we don't go down that path again. Look at the shape those countries are in now and tell me regime change was a good thing for them.

It reminds me of Petraeus, caught by a boom mike, asking Obama's sec of defense, "who are we attacking today?"

Iman म्हणाले...

“I am not suicidal. I AM NOT SUICIDAL!”

—- Vladimir Puttana

Mikey NTH म्हणाले...

Michael K: If I recall correctly FDR told Orson Welles that they were the teo best actors in the USA.

I do not know who Zelensky actually is, but at this time he has chosen the role of leader and is doing it rather well. He wish the Ukrainian people and nation well and pray and hope they repell this invasion. Seems to me they have decided Ukraine belongs to Ukraine, not Russia, not anyone else -gas company bribes or not.

Good Luck, Ukrainians, you sure could use some.

Rusty म्हणाले...

It took all day to censor this?

Maynard म्हणाले...

Do idiot leftists believe that conservatives back Putin?

Well, they will "believe" what they are told to believe for the sake of the cause.

William म्हणाले...

I don't know that much about Zelensky, but, whatever his past, he has met moment and has been equal to it. You don't often see a politician from that part of the world surprise you to the upside.....Ukraine may be corrupt, but that's not the same kind of evil as invading another country for bullshit reasons. This is Putin's fault. The surprise about him was all to the downside.

n.n म्हणाले...

Sadam Husein, Muammar Gaddafi, it led to their removal and death.

At the end of the first Iraq war, Husein was tried in court, and sentenced to capital abortion. After years, decades of social, economic, and international reform, Gaddafi was sodomized and aborted for his effort.

n.n म्हणाले...

only traitors talk about biolabs in Ukraine and the obvious corruption of our leadership

Wuhan 2.0 and Biden with "benefits" in a Slavic Spring.

Aussie Pundit म्हणाले...

No one knows what is going on in Ukraine.

Russia invaded a neighbouring country, is levelling towns, openly threatening nuclear war, dropping bombs, sieging cities, destroying civilian infrastructure, and generally causing carnage.

Everything else that's happening is in response to that.

You're welcome.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

I'm old enough to remember when Zelensky was supposed to be the malleable puppet who was coerced by Trump into investigating Biden's corruption--for which Trump was impeached.

Maybe someone should ask Zelensky about that, now that he's a hero.

Aussie Pundit म्हणाले...

Do idiot leftists believe that conservatives back Putin?
I'm seeing very big alt-right accounts on twitter pretty much doing that.

Kirk Parker म्हणाले...

"Tulsi Gabbard just took [Romney's] soul"

Objection, your honor! Citing facts not in evidence.

Rollo म्हणाले...

Putin is ruthless and has billions--some say many, many billions. How is it that the television comedian who entered politics less than 3 years ago is the one getting called corrupt and a thug?

Zelensky is not worse than Putin--or Biden. How could he be?

Kirk Parker म्हणाले...

The "Aussie Pundit" bot @ 7:12am shows that it -- or more accurately, I suppose, its programmers -- knows Teh Narrative™, but that's not remotely the same as actually knowing what's happening on the ground there.