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"Airplanes and helicopters... are unlikely to provide the Taliban much practical value, given the expertise needed to operate and maintain them..."
"... defense analysts have said. Aircraft and aircraft components and parts could be worth more in the profits they would bring when sold on the secondary market.... Many of the seized U.S.-made small arms are likely to benefit related groups, such as Pakistani Taliban factions and militants and separatists in Kashmir and the Balochi region, said Matthew Henman, the head of terrorism and insurgency research at Janes, a defense-industry analyst.
The most valuable items are Humvees and Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicles, known as MRAPs, since they support existing Taliban patrols and require limited know-how and upkeep. But some of the defense analysts said the abandoned weapons don’t provide the Taliban with an advantage over U.S. forces.
'These seizures have more propaganda value for the Taliban than any real leveling-up of capabilities,' Mr. Henman said."
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Aircraft and aircraft components and parts could be worth more in the profits they would bring when sold on the secondary market.
Oh, well, if their only value is in selling them to somebody else (The Little Sisters of the Poor most likely), then what's the big deal?
Excuses! Lies. BS. Sure - you need a mechanic. Do you abandon your car when you need an mechanic?
But some of the defense analysts said the abandoned weapons don’t provide the Taliban with an advantage over U.S. forces. 'These seizures have more propaganda value for the Taliban than any real leveling-up of capabilities,' Mr. Henman said.
Billions of dollars in advanced weaponry has mostly propaganda value? Are you kidding?
Our "experts" are really scrambling to save their false image of expertise.
BTW, isn't it racist to assume that the Taliban lack the intelligence to use this weaponry? I wonder if the US military "experts" said that we shouldn't worry about losing rifles to the Indians. They are strictly bowing-arrow guys who will never learn how to fire such a complicated weapon.
So we really don't need to get these "weapons of war" off our streets?
“These seizures have more propaganda value for the Taliban than any real leveling-up of capabilities,” Mr. Henman said.
Mr. Henman is whistling past the graveyard. Guerrilla forces are well-known for their ability to repurpose things in ways not expected by the original owners.
"So we really don't need to get these "weapons of war" off our streets?"
THESE weapons of war are not ON our streets.
At least not quite yet.
I understand that part of the cache of military equipment was lots of night vision goggles. Until now, the U.S. owned the night. Not anymore. This would have real consequences in any future combat with the Taliban.
Big Mike. A C-ration can holds a grenade pretty nicely, pin out, handle down, until somebody hits the string. So, yeah. Repurposing.
Should say that, due to issues with the Soviet Union's armor, we've spend a long time developing anti-armor weapons. The lighter of them--cheaper and more likely to be available where Biden doesn't know about them--are adequate to deal with vehicles other than tanks. Scatterable anti-tank minelets from arty or air craft. That sort of thing. Drop scatterable seekers with shaped charges to hit on top.
Question, of course, is getting authorization to use them.
The Pakistanis will help the taliban figure it all out.
No one is talking about it, but the taliban is a creation of Pakistani intelligence.
Well I'm sure whoever the Taliban sells all that "useless" equipment to will only use it to further peace and stability in the world. I don't think we ever have to worry about it being used to harm Americans. Once again, the Biden administration demonstrates the awesome competence it's become known for.
@Robert Aubrey, I’m a Vietnam-era vet so I know that already. But the Army hasn’t used C-rats for decades. It’s MREs in boxes now. If the Army had any sense they’d makes sure they only issued MREs with pork or ham or bacon do the Taliban would refuse to eat it. If the Army had any sen... Never mind.
Right about now we could use a few A-10 Warthogs cruising over the left-behind arms depots, busting things up at 3900 rounds per minute. Or at least a few Marine Super Hornets. As an EM in 1969 I was told that the Pentagon had contingency plans for everything. Fifty-two years later maybe not so much.
I wonder if there are any eBay listings up yet. “Late-model HUMVEEs, like new” 🤣
I saw a report some of the advanced communications equipment left behind will be the most valuable to the Taliban and of great interest to the Chinese and Russians.
There are layers and layers of things to feel angry about regarding the way we exited this country. That we left billions $$ in weapons and equipment to remorseless killers and terrorists is just one of them.
Speaking of rations, I advise everyone to stock up on a few. I know the government advice is 3 to 7 days in case of a hurricane or other such type of weather event. But, I'm suggesting more like 3 to 7 months, if not more. Things do not seem to be getting better based upon my experiences at the local grocery store. Rather, more and more shelves are empty and my inquiries as to whether more stock is in the back is returned with a quick "no". Seriously, we are not in a good place at the moment.
Our "experts" want us to believe everything they say, right up to the second when they don't. Another expert said today, "Those Anti-Covid Plastic Barriers Probably Don’t Help and May Make Things Worse." Bah.
@Oh Yea (5:26), the Army left advanced comms equipment behind?!?!? Some O-6 (or higher) needs a court martial. Seriously.
Defense analysts aren't concerned about the seizures? Are these the same people who weren't concerned about the Taliban taking control just a few days ago?
Our best and brightest outsmarted by the men who do more than just stare at goats.
Biden famously said that his son Hunter is the smartest guy he knows. That claim has recently become more believable.
cfs,
I have noticed the same thing during the last 3 trips to the grocery store. Not quite as bad as March and April of last year, but damned odd for it be happening now. I was in a super Walmart the Sunday before last, and half the shelves in the grocer section were stripped bear. I am going back tomorrow for the first time since, so don't know what to expect.
And the Taliban is doing this WITHOUT F-15s and nuclear weapons! That's what is really amazing!!
I wonder if there are any eBay listings up yet. “Late-model HUMVEEs, like new”
I’m holding out for an MRAP. There’s a local shop that can paint it candy apple red with white pin stripes. The potholes around here can be rough.
BIg Mike I was in 69-71. 11B 71542. Did not deploy. Point of the C-ration can was to make the case that ANYTHING can be repurposed, including the lowly C-rat.
If the A/C quit flying, perhaps the guns--not gatling types--can be taken out and mounted on a vehicle.
What we really need is all these folks together, maybe a victory parade.
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I understand that part of the cache of military equipment was lots of night vision goggles. Until now, the U.S. owned the night. Not anymore. This would have real consequences in any future combat with the Taliban.
Well, only until they run out of batteries
That argument is just as ludicrous as that of the Antifa/BLM supporters claiming "property can be replaced".
Even if all the weapons lost are of no use to the Taliban, the obvious fact remains that they are no longer available to us.
The taxpayers may decide not to fund this stuff in the future if the generals are just gonna throw it away to the enemy.
After Mao took control of China, the communists seized mountains of American weapons we gave to the defeated nationalists. Eventually, these weapons found their way in the hands of the Viet Minh, then waging an anti colonial war against the French.
France, still recovering from WWII relied upon American to rearm its military so the Frogs could reestablish colonial control over Vietnam.
Thus in the final battle of Dien Ben Phu, the French and Vietnamese were killing each other with Uncle Sam's weapons.
People think the Taliban are just a bunch of dumb-shits.... THEY ARE NOT.
I am sure some will know how to fix planes and tanks, and run them, or get people who do.
Do not underestimate your enemy.
they're trophies
@Richard Aubrey, I ETS-ed in January ‘71.
What Paul said at 9:59 am. The Taliban are not technically incompetent, and neither are the state actors who will back them from this point forward.
What Mr. Henman isn't taking into account is that the Afghan pilots, drivers and maintenance crews did not just disappear. Many of them surrendered to the Taliban, so now they're working for the Taliban.
The Taliban are Muslims, and Muslims, as a group, just don't do maintenance. Which is why Saudi Arabia imports so many foreigners to work there.
That said, the Taliban don't need most of that equipment in order to rule Afghanistan the way they want to. Which means Russian, China, and Pakistan are going to get their hands on a bunch of goodies, and eventually that screwup is going to get a bunch of Americans killed
If we left drones, the Chinese will be very happy to reverse engineer them.
If we left airplanes, the Taliban will be happy to point a gun at the family of a US-trained Afghani pilot to make sure he flies it.
In other words, I can't believe we didn't train Afghanis to fly and maintain aircraft.
And one more thing...the control towers and all buildings should have been flattened and the runways should have huge craters in them.
Let the Chicoms build it back up...don't give them fully-intact airfields.
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