"We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!"
Tweeted Trump a few minutes ago.
AND: Look what that means. Apart from the news item — he feels good and is about to leave the hospital — we can see the beginning of his new framing of the covid issue: Fear not! Don't let it run your life! We have great treatments, great medical personnel! It's the new-old Trump optimism. He's still advocating getting out and living your life. He's been through the illness and what he's learned is, it's not so bad. I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!! They'll take the side of closing up, locking down, hiding your face, waiting and waiting to get back to life. They may be right, but maybe people will vote for what they want: Freedom! Back to normal! Don't be afraid!
२६७ टिप्पण्या:
267 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»And that's the message that will take him to victory
Side effect of the drugs.
I don't think the town hall will go forward on time, but if it does it's going to be some show. I hope it includes feats of fitness.
Looking forward to the media meltdown.
WINNING!! Why is Joe Biden out and about if he was nearby so many people who are now infected?? They are saying it may have come from the set up of the debate. Why are only Republicans coming down with it??
Added: These sentiments about covid will not age well.
"Fear it! Fear it so much you will surrender all liberty to us! We are your betters! Sbmit--SUBMIT!!"
Don't ever accuse Trump of playing 3 dimensional chess. Craps.
We still have to wait and see if he really is wellish but I was struck by the news coverage of Trump's illness. I went searching around for a news source to follow developments and kind of came up empty. I settled on Breitbart, which I barely know exists except as a target of derision by the left. I have to say, Breitbart looks like they played it straight, providing news that seems to have adhered to actual events. I also went to CNN, something else I rarely do, and I have to say, CNN's coverage was embarrassing.
I am with Trump on this one. There is a huge philosophical divide in this country between those who are cowed by fear of the virus and want to stop it at all costs and those who realize that we need to get on with our lives and stop the devastation that the fear has caused. I don't know if it will help Trump get reelected but I don't think this will hurt him either.
Glad he's feeling better. I do believe that the dangers of Sars-Cov-2 have been totally exaggerated by quacks and hacks and scaredy cats.
But, I do believe that the vulnerable (over 70 or over-weight or other ailments, like diabetes, should take extra precautions). So, it's good that DJT went to Walter Reed to check it out.
And, I'm such a nice guy, I would hope for the same outcome for Joe Biden, if he tests positive. And, since he ain't fat, he's probably less at risk.
A gentle reminder -- UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson had it months ago, was hospitalized for it, and then we learned he didn't have it. Lotta shifty ground, here. But, most importantly, glad Boris is doing fine.
Does Biden become the cowering face of weakness and fear?
Herman Cain's family I am sure will hlbe happy to hear that.
In fairness, not every 74 year old who contracts Covid is necessarily going to have access to a dose of polyclonal anitbodies and Remdesvir. But still, it's good news.
"He's still advocating getting out and living your life."
Given that the alternative is a never ending regime of hide in your basement, what other course is there? I bought the flatten-the-curve strategy at the beginning, but it was a bait and switch.
Do face diapers work? No.
To have even a chance of a mask working partially effectively, you have to have one made of the right material, you have to wear it properly, you have to change it/disinfect it every few hours of use, and you have to stop touching and adjusting the fucking thing. There is probably far better results garnered with just constant handwashing. The only real way to avoid being exposed to COVID-19 is just isolate yourself from every other human being until an effective vaccine is released, which might well be never. This virus is all but certain to be with us from now on in one mutation or another. Deal with it.
Of those 215,000 how many really died of Covid? Most were elderly, debilitated nursing home patients or people who had comorbidity and complex disease processes already. That brings the number down significantly. Maybe people who are relatively healthy will realize it's not the Black Deaath and stop wearing the face diapers and start living their lives again.
"Be not afraid." Pope John Paul II
ABC new radio reports about Trump and the virus. They call the virus "dangerous and deadly" like is the black plague or Ebola. The virus can be deadly for those with compromised immune systems, but for everyone else survival rates are very good. ABC is trying to stoke fear about the virus. That's what the MSM have been doing since March.
He has battled the dragon and emerged victorious. I much prefer his version of the covid story to the one we've been telling up until now.
I'm ready to be infected and get it over with. Any UW students reading this who are planning a party tonight? Email me. I'll bring the beer.
Is he still contagious and need to quarantine?
In fairness, not every 74 year old who contracts Covid is necessarily going to have access to a dose of polyclonal anitbodies and Remdesvir.
On the contrary my impression is that Remdesivir at least is widely available now.
As for Herman Cain, he was one of the majority of that 215,000 that had co-morbidities. A substantial number of them would have died with or without COVID, if not when they did, not long after. Every death is unfortunate, but most are inevitable, something the left at least pretends not to understand in their quest to defeat Trump.
"They were awed. They said I have the best resistance they've ever seen!"
It's good to be a billionaire and have round-the-clock world-class health care at one of the finest medical facilities in the world.
Therefore, none of us should be afraid of COVID.
I knew it. Trump is the showman.
Don't be afraid of Covid. Don't let it dominate your life.
He got through it, and now he can start pressuring the states to ease up on the lockdown mentality. I know Idiot Inslee believes the lockdown makes Trump look bad. Looking bad is now an Idiot Inslee problem.
This is a win. He's creating his own good news. He even realized a campaign event driving around Walter Reed in the Beast.
Let me guess the next news cycle.......Trump didn't really get the virus because it's supposed to be a two week quarantine, and he's been treating with the malaria medicine.
Trump should announce that the Feds have sufficient respirators, tests, and drugs to get through this. The supplies will be made available to the states.
He confirms what has been observed since the outbreak on the cruise ship. Seniors are most vulnerable, but the risk is comparable to seasonal flu. Wash your hands, avoid Planned Parent, and be wary of misinformation that stigmatized and denied early treatment.
Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
@ Wendybar - Biden is safe because he believes in science. It’s Trump lack of faith that cause his illness. The best people say so.
@Original Mike,
...and I have to say, CNN's coverage was embarrassing.
Yes, absolutely appalling.
The problem with COVID, as one of my dental clients put it, is that those that it affects, it kills. Most people, seemingly even the large majority of elderly, seem to get through it with little lasting damage. But, for that group that for now unknown reasons are susceptible to its ravages, it's devastating. The question is -- what group are you & yours in? How do you find out except the hard way? But -- what do we do? Shut down society, which brings its own form of devastation (e.g. ya checked the suicide and reports of family abuse rate lately) in defense of what seems to be a small group of the vulnerable?
I sure as hell don't know the answer, but I also don't fault Trump for picking a side and going with it either.
This is a winning message.
The tell? Readering is panicking.
If Trump were an ordinary citizen he'd probably would still be waiting for the test result. He wouldn't have been advised to go to the hospital unless his symptoms were severe and he was on death's door.
Of course I'm glad and relieved he's gotten the best treatment possible, but I know I wouldn't be getting the same.
PDJT auditioning for the position of our National Therapist in Chief. I fully support him in that role and accept his prescribed therapy!
Oso Negro said...
@ Wendybar - Biden is safe because he believes in science. It’s Trump lack of faith that cause his illness. The best people say so.
10/5/20, 2:41 PM
I know. They believe in science when it suits their agenda, but ignore it if it doesn't.
"The virus can be deadly for those with compromised immune systems, but for everyone else survival rates are very good."
As you rightly point out, it's not even a certain death sentence if you have a compromised immune system. I have leukemia, (a.k.a. cancer of the immune system) so I figured it would be a death sentence for me. Was very careful, did all the things they said to do, still got. Didn't die.
Let me guess the next news cycle.......Trump didn't really get the virus because it's supposed to be a two week quarantine, and he's been treating with the malaria medicine.
That is not far fetched. My wife, who is an ex-smoker with emphysema, got it in June and was very sick for five days. She came home and recovered over two weeks. Never on respirator and only on O2 for two days. She has taken HCQ for years for her RH
The dems once rallied around “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself”. That optimism was prevalent in America for decades. In his own (typically) poorly stated way, that’s I think what Trump is getting at. But so much of culture today has devolved into fearing any and all risk. Kids can’t be left unsupervised, no one is safe if there is a firearm anywhere, the world will burst into flames in 15 years if I drive a vehicle with an internal combustion engine, we can’t go outside until there’s 0 chance of anyone catching the Vid. The question is, are there enough voters who are still moved by the idea that fear is the real enemy, or have the left succeeded in making America into a risk-averse land of fear?
A lot liberal folks are seriously pissed off. Trump's death was seen as a tremendous catalyst for political change. His death would have triggered Republican infighting and instability. And then an opening for political liberalization as the Democrats sweep the November elections...
Of course, Moscow Mitch and the rest would have coalesced around Pence. And Trump's death would not change anything (if anything, his death would strengthen the GOP's chances going into November). Sad!
It's good to be a billionaire and have round-the-clock world-class health care at one of the finest medical facilities in the world.
Party propaganda is strong with this one.
I wanna to be like (Original) Mike. All except for the leukemia part.
Blogger Nonapod said...
In fairness, not every 74 year old who contracts Covid is necessarily going to have access to a dose of polyclonal anitbodies and Remdesvir. But still, it's good news.
Nor be a non-drinker, non-smoker health nut. Lots of talk about obesity but the only one I would worry about on that score is Chris Christie. I hope he is OK but it is a concern.
“I had to confront Corona, like a true leader. A leader can’t show any fear when facing this bully. I stood up to Covid. I made Covid my little bitch. Now it’s your turn to make this virus your bitch, so we can get back to making America Great Again, and then Keeping America Great Again.”
Got me to retire early, Meade. In the end, it may have been a blessing. The jury is still out.
Sola Fidesl. Sola Trump. It’s hard to scare a Calvinist Presbyterian with Chinese bio-weapons.
When the news channels all transitioned simultaneously to a few hours of bloviating over the national security risk of Trump not ceding the presidency to Pence, or better yet, Nancy, I had to laugh. No tinpot dictator or commie bastard would dare antagonize the guy who still held the nuclear codes, and who felt craptastic for a whole weekend. Wouldn't be smart.
Hey Meade, does your roomie know?
It’s a very bad flu year, no more no less. Unlike H1N1 this one avoids children but zeroes in on the usual suspects, old people, with the added comorbidity of obesity, which covers a lot of old people in this USA. After all the stats have been run this will go down as a flu with about 150% of the lethality of a seasonal flu, very much like the Hong Kong Flu in ‘68. Again, no panic and no shutdowns in ‘68 with the same result adjusted for population. It will be on the continued Karen freak out “experts” to put this Flu in context. Godspeed Trump.
Is Inga OK?
Yeah, which message do the majority of people want to hear- "Be afraid, be very afraid," or "Don't let fear control your lives."
I know the answer, do you?
If I were young I wouldn't worry at all.
Professor, roughly 8 thousand people in the US die of something Every Single Day of the year. Yes there are some excess deaths, most likely related to covid, but it’s not something that should make you stop living or make you paralyzed with fear. We don’t stop living when there is a bad flu season.
"I'm ready to be infected and get it over with."
As well you should. Unless a vaccine is right around the corner, most of us will be better off if we get COVID today instead of in a year or two years from now. Every day patients decline from "COVID safe" to "COVID vulnerable"--heart condition just a little bit worse; blood sugar situation just a little bit worse; etc. Many patients who would survive if they got sick today, will die if they get sick a year from now.
I am guessing that some of his feeling good is related to steroids. He got (and is maybe still taking) dexamethasone, which I took before, during and after my chemo treatments last year. It is an amazing drug. I got permission from my Dr to spread out the amount that I took after one of my chemo treatments. Instead of taking the prescribed amount over the 3 days immediately after my chemo, I spread it out over the following week. For me the week after chemo was usually horrible. During that week I saw Hamilton and attended two concerts that I was looking forward to all scheduled long before my cancer diagnosis. I made it to all three events and felt pretty darn good, during a period of time when normally I would have been lethargic and weak.
What Meade said.
And if you’re going to bring up HIPPA then be ready to talk about Joes two COUNT ‘EM TWO aneurysms and what that open-air brain experience entailed. Cmon man!
So how’s Chris Christie doing.?
Rosalyn C. said...
If Trump were an ordinary citizen he'd probably would still be waiting for the test result. He wouldn't have been advised to go to the hospital unless his symptoms were severe and he was on death's door.
No. I've been tested, twice. Both times I had the results back in less than 24 hours.
Remdesvir is in testing, and is available for "compassionate use."
We've flattened the curve. We've got treatments that work. The US hospital systems are not even close to collapse.
Don't be stupid. But huddling in your house, getting fat and out of shape, is stupid, and probably a greater threat to your health than Covid-19
"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself!"
This tweet perfectly describes what is happening right now. It is all ass covering by the "experts" at this point in time. Just witness De Blasio closing schools immediately after admitting that they aren't a transmission vector. I can't even describe the stupidity of closing one neighborhood's restaurants and businesses and not another's. Has De Blasio not heard of driving, bussing, walking to the next neighborhood over to eat out, shop, etc.?
Churchill: Keep calm and carry on.
FDR: The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Trump: Don't be afraid of COVID. Don't let it dominate your life.
Amen, Amen, Amen
Readering said...
I don't think the town hall will go forward on time, but if it does it's going to be some show. I hope it includes feats of fitness.
You mean Feats of Strength? That's Festivus.
Of course I'm glad and relieved he's gotten the best treatment possible, but I know I wouldn't be getting the same.
i dunno, my wife got right in and fortunately did not need the heavy duty stuff because of her HCQ.
He's high on steroids lol
Shit. I thought day seven was really critical. Is he past that?
This damn thing has taken so many plot twists. Regeneron develops their cocktails using specialized Chinese hamsters.
Someone I debate with overseas said— “ah ha! Trump is now the Manchurian Candidate!”
We are being sarcastic. The decoupling from China should probably happen, and the dependency on Chinese hamsters should stop.
I might solely vote for Trump based on Mnuchin. (you cannot spell Manchurian without that.)
Finally Trump’s Chinese zodiac prediction for this year 2020 said that Trump would have “dumb luck”. (That keeps happening.)
Here is what fear does to our humanity.
What Megthered said. (Rhymes!)
Death comes for us all. That doesn't mean we should court it foolishly, but the fact is that in a normal year something like 7,500 Americans die every day. Many of them are quite old, many are in terrible shape, and a smaller number are young and appear perfectly healthy before something horrible (disease or injury) befalls them.
It's sad, but it's life.
I will bet you that by the end of the year, the excess mortality--number of people dying each day or week compared to the average of recent years--which spiked in late Spring but now has come way down, will dip into the negative range. We will see that the grim reaper simply came a few months early for many people.
Also sad, but also life.
It's not Reagan taking a bullet in the chest and quipping, "Honey, I forgot to duck," but it will do.
We could have kept the number of dead lower if our "public health officials" had been smarter and more strategic- recognizing the truly vulnerable and protected them instead of acting like everyone had the same risk. To protect availability in hospital beds, many governors sent contagious people into nursing homes and killed thousands and thousands. It was a crime.
Shorter Conley: I decline to answer many of your questions, but be assured the patient is being transferred from one medical facility to another.
"So how’s Chris Christie doing.?"
I dunno, but he's still fat. Could be a problem:)
The Left and Democrats live in a fantasy world. They hope DJT gets it, develops bad symptoms, cannot do his duty as Prez, and, most importantly, loses the election next month.
Collectively, they have a one-track mind. Must.Defeat.Trump.
Most sane people don't think like that. I hope Trump wins, because he is no doubt better for the country than Slow Joe Figurehead and his Antifa/BLM goons.
But if Trump loses (I still think he is a slight favorite), I promise not to loot, riot, burn down buildings or wear a pink pussy hat in public.
That would offend my sense of decorum.
FDR: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.“
Media: what a great president!
Trump: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.“
Media: what a terrible president!
Blogger Readering said...
I don't think the town hall will go forward on time, but if it does it's going to be some show. I hope it includes feats of fitness.
Yes... feats of MENTAL fitness. Get Biden going "unplugged" (no, not his Mr. Burns hair) and just stand back.
Biden obviously has the chump vote sewn up...
"Hey Meade, does your roomie know?"
She does. Doesn't quite agree. Afraid I might die. Which is nice, in a way. But realistically, I won't die of Wuhan. Realistically, I'll die of stage 4 kidney disease after one final shred down Hobbs Hollow when I'm 96.
Megthered said... Of those 215,000 how many really died of Covid
This is a good question, and I don't think its anywhere near 215,000. In Colorado, attending physicians at nursing homes reported that they were pressured to call all deaths there 'covid' deaths - even when they were clearly from other causes. And we had one man in a traffic accident and another of alcohol poisoning classified as 'covid' deaths because they tested positive at their autopsies.
Will they ever confess the truth? Probably not.
@Readering said... "Side effect of the drugs."
Yep.
This really suggests that President Trump never had any symptoms from Covid. He just had a mild reaction to the antibody treatment, and moved to the hospital so they could keep an eye on that.
Or isn't that what you meant?
Trump lives! Media sad.
tcrosse said...
So how’s Chris Christie doing.?
I'm curious to know too - this is one of the recent 'positives' I worry about because of his weight.
A gentle reminder -- UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson had it months ago, was hospitalized for it, and then we learned he didn't have it. Lotta shifty ground, here. But, most importantly, glad Boris is doing fine.
...........
You are completely misunderstanding that. Once your body and the therapies completely fight off the virus—the virus is killed, and you are no longer a carrier or spreader. Boris Johnson testing negative for COVID after his release from the hospital does not mean he never had COVID. It’s quite possible a blood test would show that he had developed the antibodies for COVID which would prove he had it.
Look for that. ( I do not think there is a source in the world declaring that Boris never had SARS-COV-2, not even Boris himself.)
Fear not! Don't let it run your life! We have great treatments, great medical personnel! It's the new-old Trump optimism. He's still advocating getting out and living your life. He's been through the illness and what he's learned is, it's not so bad.
We do know a lot more than we did last March. Medical researchers now know how the disease kills, which helps front-line medical personnel know how to prevent it from killing. The disease very serious, and I’d rather not get it thank you very much, but isn’t a death sentence.
They may be right,
They aren’t
but maybe people will vote for what they want: Freedom! Back to normal! Don't be afraid!
I think they will. Democrat mayors and governors like Wheeler and Lightfoot and DeBlasio and Inslee and Cuomo and Whitmer and Murphy and Northam and the execrable Gavin Newsom had a strong hand but they couldn’t resist overplaying it and making things worse for their citizens than things needed to be. The Americans of 1941 weren’t afraid. Eighty years later, and outside Democrat-run cities, we still aren’t.
If the today's Democrats had been in charge in 1941, we would have abandoned Hawaii in December of 1941 and sued for peace, just to be safe.
Chris Christie has tweeted that he has slight symptoms, but due to asthma has gone into the hospital out of caution.
215,000 in 6 months nationally is not a plague. 1 million globally in 6 months is not a plague. Third Century Rome had a plague that killed 5,000 a day in the city of Rome alone. One half of the population of Alexandria died. In the US were looking at a thousand a day for the whole country and it takes the whole world to get to the Roman levels of 5000 a day.
215,000 deaths/180 days = 1194 deaths/day nationally
1,000,000/180 = 5555 deaths/day globally
"Be not afraid." Pope John Paul II
My same reaction. Link
I too feel better than I did 20 years ago, physically. Now if I could only do for my brain what I did for my body!
It's the methabenzadex talking
No, no, no. We need to flatten the economic curve so that the Green New Deal will be the only thing that can save us. Hunker down, people!
I'm all for not being afraid. I'm in the school that says, take reasonable precautions and get on with life. But I do think this is a crappy thing to say after 200,000+ people died.
(OK, lots of them had co-morbidities. So do an awful lot of us. If Trump had died, as I am glad he did not, we could say he had one, being overweight.)
I don't think this was the right note to strike. But then, Trump has been two things I'll never be: very rich, and the President.
On a related note, I'm trying to imagine a mirror-image media greeting "The only thing we have to feah, is feah itself!" in the middle of the Great Depression.
harrogate said...
It's good to be a billionaire and have round-the-clock world-class health care at one of the finest medical facilities in the world.
But I thought last week he wasn't a billionaire because it was all borrowed from Russian oligarchs. At least that's what Anderson Poopchute and Fredo Cuomo were saying on XiNN.
Looks like somebody messed up the talking points again! Hillary!'s going to be pissed!
Trump is the most skilled person ever at making himself the center of attention. I expect this to continue, whether he is re-elected or not.
Man I wish I could get some o' that methadexadrine he's taking
"Bones heals, chicks dig scars, and the United States of America has the best doctor to daredevil ratio in the world!"
-Captain Lance Murdock
Is this surprising? Given the data shows that death by COVID19 is highly correlated with underlying health conditions, a generally healthy 70+ year old person recovering is what should be expected.
And this just hammers that perfectly reasonable position home.
Of course the President will oversell this, just as the fear merchants oversell the danger, but that is another issue.
"But I thought last week he wasn't a billionaire because it was all borrowed from Russian oligarchs. At least that's what Anderson Poopchute and Fredo Cuomo were saying on XiNN."
You make a classic mistake there. Take all the time you need.
Blogger Yancey Ward said...
If the today's Democrats had been in charge in 1941, we would have abandoned Hawaii in December of 1941 and sued for peace, just to be safe.
China knows that and might be tempted if Biden is elected.
Todd Roberson: "This is a winning message.
The tell? Readering is panicking.!"
Jen Rubin, like readering, has gone completely around the bend and the questions from the "press" today at the doctors had to be seen to be believed.
In summary: Please, please tell us OrangeManBad will still die!!!
What is even more enjoyable is this little mashup of all #BlueAnon conspiracy theories:
Trump is going to kill everyone with this virus that he totally faked having!!!
Therefore, none of us should be afraid of COVID.
If you want to hide under your fucking bed for the rest of your life, go for it.
But don't demand the rest of us do the same.
That's the point you totalitarian thugs refuse to accept.
There's no place like home if you're President.
Of those 215,000 how many really died of Covid?
And by how much time did Covid shorten their life? My completely wild-ass guess is that Covid shortened victims' lives by only a few months on average.
Meade: "I'm ready to be infected and get it over with. Any UW students reading this who are planning a party tonight? Email me. I'll bring the beer."
I'll join you (though my wife would probably not approve). I've been saying this for months. I actually (finally) got an antibody test last week and was almost disappointed that it came in negative. I want it over with.
Regarding Trump- it's as if he knows exactly what will drive the Left/Media nuts. Why- you'd almost think everything he does is with a purpose.
He's almost certainly still infectious . . . it should fine for him to recuperate from home but people need to keep their distance (and he really should wear a mask right now). And one hopes he has medical assistance on standby. People who appear medically stable can take a sudden turn for the worse.
Alex Berenson tweet
My son is a paramedic in Skagit county north of Seattle. He’s convinced the virus rolled through the fire department back in February.
I agree with the President. I was so stressed out by the media hype the first few weeks beginning in mid-March it was effecting my physical health. I finally did some research on my own and found that although I'm over 60, I'm not at great risk of suffering overly much if I did get the virus. Chances of getting it at all were also low since I live in the country and have very little close contact with those that are not family. And, although my job involved interacting with others, it also did not involve close contact.
I finally decided to have a positive attitude and not be afraid. That was the best choice to make for me.
From what I understand, this is the first time in history we have locked down the healthy people during a pandemic. In the past, we quarantined the sick and the others went about their way. That is what we should have done this time. Simply quarantined the sick and and advised those that were at most risk to stay in low-contact environments, and then cautioned everyone to wash their hands and use other simple precautions. Locking people in their homes and bankrupting businesses was a bad idea.
I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!! They'll take the side of closing up, locking down, hiding your face, waiting and waiting to get back to life. They may be right, but maybe people will vote for what they want: Freedom! Back to normal! Don't be afraid!
Let's just start with the youth vote.
It's critical to the Dems.
Which message do you think will resonate?
This is a very illuminating CDC chart showing excess deaths. For the first time since the COVID-19 pandemic struck, we are below the threshold level (number of expected deaths). Fewer people are dying from all causes than historical/seasonal/demographic trends would predict.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
Trump is the most skilled person ever at making himself the center of attention.
That's not what he's doing. He's throwing sand in the media gearbox.
But if Trump loses (I still think he is a slight favorite), I promise not to loot, riot, burn down buildings or wear a pink pussy hat in public.
@Bay Area Guy, awwww, you’re no fun!
Blogger Mark said...
Herman Cain's family I am sure will hlbe happy to hear that.
10/5/20, 2:28 PM
Cain was diagnosed in 2006 with stage 4 colon cancer that metastasized to his liver and was given a 30 percent chance of survival. He passed away 14 years later WITH Covid 19 not FROM Covid 19, happy to be given those extra years he was not expecting, and those that bring his name up in order to criticize people who attend Trump events are being disingenuous. Cain was a big Trump supporter and therefore people use his death to try to criticize both Cain and Trump.
Just my sense from following the news, but I think the 'real' Covid deaths are only half of what is stated.
@wendybar, @Oso Negro, now and forever the Democrats believe in junk science whole-heartedly.
D-Day (Don Lemon) on TV: "Election's over, man. Covid dropped the big one
Trump: What? Over? Did you say 'over'? Nothing is over until I decide it is! Was it over when Chy-Na bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!...
It ain't over now, 'cause when the goin' gets tough, the tough get Remdesivir. Who's with me? Let's go! Come on!...(He ran to the front door but no one followed him)
Trump (returning): What the f--k happened to the MAGA I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. 'Ooh, we're afraid to take off our masks, Mr. President, we might get in trouble.' (shouting) Well, just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Biden, he's a dead man! Schumer, dead! Pelosi...
Otter (Tom Cotton): Dead! Trump's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now, we could fight 'em with legislative procedure. That could take years and cost millions donor dollars. No, in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
We're just the guys to do it...LET'S DO IT!
"I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!!"
Is that "OF covid" or "WITH covid"? Because anyone who's being honest knows there's a difference.
I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!!
Yes, the Dems will say Trump wants to kill black people.
Trump will counter with a nationwide program to add Remdesivir to legal weed.
Game, set, and ah, hey man, this is good shit!
"Biden is safe because he believes in science..."
Jesus Christ...for the last time, Democrats (including Biden) and liberals all believe that there are 57 'genders' and that men can be women and women can be men.
How fucking scientific is that?
Never utter the word 'science' in my presence unless you want to get a verbal beat-down.
"Added: These sentiments about covid will not age well."
Your or his?
Go to the Wordometers COVID site and look at France's data. Note that France is just now coming down from a case peek more than 2x higher than its awful experience in March and April.
Now look at the daily death graph (I'd encourage you to click the rolling 7 day average button to smooth things out). The deaths for this much large case peak is about 1/10th size of the daily deaths at their peak in April.
Bottom line: This is NOT about cases.
"I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!!"
Democrats never "pounce".
"I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life."
"We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge
Tim from Florida Not Vermont hardest hit
Blogger Mark said...
Herman Cain's family I am sure will hlbe happy to hear that.
Cain kept traveling and meeting through COVID even though he was older and had a history of medical problems. He was higher risk. Maybe Fauci should have warned people that some of us are at higher risk instead of acting like everyone's risk was the same? Maybe people like Cain would have understood their risks better.
But most of us don't have his risk factors. Why do we have to hide in our houses? We'll be fine.
"My completely wild-ass guess is that Covid shortened victims' lives by only a few months on average."
Haven't checked recently, but well into August median age of covid deaths in my county was 83. Median age for other deaths was 80.
Once again reckless and unrealistic he could have said wear a mask in public, keep social distance and wash your hands, but no he wants us to forget the thousands and thousands Herman Cains and like Mead take a chance on getting infected--problem is it is very unpredictable how it affects each individual. Trumpers beware.
Trump effect: 215,000 dead, down from the predicted 5,000,000. Trump saved more than 4,700,000 Americans from dying from the Chinese virus, the virus originated from Hunter Biden's pay master.
Yo Meade--
Make it Corona!!
"I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!!"
Is that "OF covid" or "WITH covid"?
Of, with, and plausible (e.g. false positives including detection of viral fragments).
"Biden is safe because he believes in science..."
In Stork They Trust
Jesus Christ...for the last time, Democrats (including Biden) and liberals all believe that there are 57 'genders' and that men can be women and women can be men.
How fucking scientific is that?
Never utter the word 'science' in my presence unless you want to get a verbal beat-down.
10/5/20, 4:14 PM
It is for posts such as this that I wish our hostess would add a "like" button!
Kevin,
"COVID party!!"
39K a Covid death. If Burke and Hare were still around and about I know what they and the local hospital administrators would be doing.
Listen, no one's said to grab RBG by the pussy. That would be uncivil.
Grab Don Lemon by the pussy!
215,000 dead that have a median age at death ~80. What are the life years lost here?
For the record, I have taken medication that made me feel absolutely incredible. I've woken up from anesthesia feeling like I just had the best sleep of my life, and I've taken a pill that basically gave me 24 hours of adrenaline high which was fantastic (and then crashed something fierce). So you never know how you will react to medication. I've also had the misfortune of discovering that some medications not only did not make me feel better, but also had zero effect on the symptoms it was supposed to address. Those were not fun.
I'm glad Trump is feeling better. I hope he stays that way.
Shorter Readering: I hate Trump so much it makes my peener hurt! Mommy! It's not fair...!
I have never heard leukemia described as "cancer of the immune system." I've always heard it called a cancer of the blood (and, as I just read on searching, "cancer of the blood-forming tissues, including bone marrow and the lymphatic system"). I guess it can be considered a cancer of the immune system in that those tissues are involved in our immune systems. I had leukemia going on 23 years ago. So far, no relapse. I wish you the same good fortune and good health.
“Is Inga OK?”
I’m alive and well, thanks for asking. I’m very busy doing a job I’m finding challenging and very interesting, especially in the Covid hot spot of the country, Wisconsin. Stay well folks.
"Back to normal! Don't be afraid!"
He did say don't be afraid. He did not say back to normal. There's a difference.
It's unlike Althouse to distort a statement this way.
Oso Negro, Wendybar, and Joe Smith:
"Biden is safe because he believes in science."
One of my berserk buttons right there, "believes in science." I'm not one for banning speech but if I were, that one would be out right behind "the science" and right in front of "an abundance of caution."
I want to have a lawn sign printed up that reads, "In this house, we believe science is a method."
Joe Smith said...
Just my sense from following the news, but I think the 'real' Covid deaths are only half of what is stated.
My cousin is an OR nurse who told me that if COVID is present, a death is counted as COVID related in order to get more federal funds for the hospital. The patient may have died in heart surgery, but if there is COVID, it is reported as a COVID death.
Talk to people you know and trust in the medical profession. They have stories to tell.
For the first time since the COVID-19 pandemic struck, we are below the threshold level (number of expected deaths). Fewer people are dying from all causes than historical/seasonal/demographic trends would predict.
Sheesh, you should learn to read instead of just looking at the pretty chart.
"Provisional death counts are weighted to account for incomplete data. However, data for the most recent week(s) are still likely to be incomplete."
These are the survival rates for the disease per the CDC as of the latest numbers i could find (Sept 24th).
0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-69 99.5%
70+ 94.6%
Yet every lefty I know thinks that the disease is a death sentence. To be fair, they also believe that the Earth warming 2 degrees in the next 100 years is a death sentence. As was population growth, nuclear war, bumble bees dying, GMO's and a host of other things over the years.
Keep in mind, the above mortality numbers are for those confirmed to have contracted the disease.
Yet they think that Biden is being perfectly rational hiding in his basement, and metaphorically do the same.
They are folowing the science. blindingly unaware of what the real risk is. And what the science is really telling us.
Trump was not the benefactor of singularly extraordinary medical care. 94.6% of his cohort would likely also have survived in hospitals anywhere, or even by simply staying home and waiting for the disease to pass, as my wife was advised.
Follow the science, act rationally, and be not paralyzed by fear.
@Original Mike: Glad to hear your good news. It, all of it, must have been tough to go through.
Meade said...
I'm ready to be infected and get it over with. Any UW students reading this who are planning a party tonight? Email me. I'll bring the beer.
I'll bring the vodka!
party on!
215,000 people did not die from Covid! That is the big lie. The number has been a lie since the beginning, and it has not been the CDC lying about it. They have admitted all along that it was deaths from almost anything, but with a Covid positive test, or sometimes just a suspicion and no test. The only deaths left out were obvious traumas, some of which even got counted. The incentives, both political and monetary caused this. It was incredibly unscientific and dishonest.
The number of deaths with a positive test is practically a useless number. You can't get anything valuable from that number other than money and power over people. It has done that job of deception, fear, and corruption very well.
Meanwhile, Biden is resting comfortably in his burrow.
So how’s Chris Christie doing.?
@tcrosse, more to the point, why doesn’t anyone outside the Trump family (and my wife and me) care about what’s happening with Melania? Have you seen a report about her? I have not seen anything since Saturday.
So, we get to where I was at the end of April: keep living your life. If you are over 65, be careful.
As Trump says, we have made a lot of progress on treatment.
The thing that shocked me about Remdesivir was that the press was making it sound like it was borderline useless, but it turns out that it shortens hospital stays on average by 3 days. I guess I shouldn’t have been shocked that the press was lying, but still, I was.
Meade, I'm trying everything my girlfriend will allow. I want Covid, but it doesn't seem to want me. I have read that certain cold viruses are similar enough to Covid -19 to possibly give one some immunity. That would be OK as a reason, because otherwise I feel like a failure.
"Many patients who would survive if they got sick today, will die if they get sick a year from now."
Well, the virus will get weaker over time.
"Biden is safe because he believes in science..."
Biden is safe because he hides in his basement and uses a hazmat suit when he leaves it. Think Biden as a groundhog: He pops his head out of his burrow; if he sees someone without a mask, he retreats back to his basement.
"That which does not kill me only makes me stronger"
TRUMP INTENSIFIES
From what I'm hearing, Covid is so deadly that electing a man near 80 years old who has no immunity is an incredibly irresponsible act. No American should be so careless with our votes. The job absolutely requires contact with people, and we can't afford the guy to just up and croak from Covid a week after he moves into the White House. Be responsible - vote for a man with immunity. Not immunity to tough questions from the Press - that's Biden. I'm talking Covid, man, and I'm talking the irrepressible, unstoppable, coherent Donald J. Trump.
Today's DNC discovers time travel and begins running Franklin Delano Roosevelt's campaign.
FDR: We have nothing.... nothing at all.... We're all gonna starve. No one will ever have a job again.
"They may be right, but maybe people will vote for what they want: Freedom! Back to normal! Don't be afraid!" I think you are oversimplifying. I think PDT knows the virus is still here and a threat but wants to balance the risks and stop the over reacting. I choose not to live my life in fear. I will take his approach over hiding in the basement and painting circles on the floor so people do not get too close.
tim in vermont: "The thing that shocked me about Remdesivir was that the press was making it sound like it was borderline useless, but it turns out that it shortens hospital stays on average by 3 days. I guess I shouldn’t have been shocked that the press was lying, but still, I was."
It is impossible not to notice that the media immediately attacks any and all therapies and medications that provide either palliative and healing potential.
There is certainly a reason for that: they need a maximum crisis atmosphere with fear seeping into every corner so that they can bounce on in with their Big Government "solutions" that will "keep you safe"...which in reality alters the fundamental relationship American citizens have with their government.
"Never let a crisis go to waste" someone once said...
I was hoping the college kids here in Madison would revolt and go get herd immunity. Instead, they seem to like wearing masks and doing what they're told.
The virus has weakened since the Spring - ask the scientists. We have new medical protocols- ask the scientists. Time to live our lives and not cower. I’m for it.
"Nonapod
"In fairness, not every 74 year old who contracts Covid is necessarily going to have access to a dose of polyclonal anitbodies and Remdesvir."
Maybe not, but if, G-d forbid, this 66-year-old gets it, I'm going to be demanding them and arguing that they've been established as the gold standard of treatment (hint, hint, malpractice suit if you don't give them to me).
Mrs. stevew and I are in agreement on this; getting the 'Rona that is. Problem is our siblings are in the cohort that believes the hysteria peddled by the media and the Left. Then again, I'm not seeing them in person now anyway so not much to lose on that front.
Most of the Leftist Collectivists sound unhinged.
Or, alternatively, day of the week ending in -y.
Enough of us will get sick and develop resistance that the disease will become background noise.
That's the way these things work.
Find a counter-example if you believe otherwise.
Imagine spending 5 trillion dollars to forestall by a few months the deaths that were delayed.
Poorer people die younger.
Let's not make ourselves poorer.
Trade-offs.
Copying and pasting from elsewhere--Herman Cain timeline. Just saying, one day at a time.
6/24: Attends Trump rally, maskless
7/2: Tests positive for Covid-19
7/10: Says he’s improving
7/15: Says his doctors seem happy
7/27: Says he’s really getting better
7/30: Dies
We had to go to the ER in the suburbs of Seattle. Each ER room is isolated, but a large man was coughing up his lungs in the next room (I was coming to consciousness, awakened by his hacking coughs around 2:30 am...I was visiting).
There is a glass barrier and I pulled back the curtains on my side and could see a very obese, very immobile man, maybe around 50. His face was red, hair and scraggly beard unkempt. Probably lived inside but probably had little to no money.
He was leaning forward and coughing just to get air. Stayed in that position for about 20 minutes. Raw and rough. Cough after cough. Awful gurgling sound.
Then I listened for a while, and amidst the beeps and circulating air, I heard down many hacking coughs.
'I've got to get us the f**k out of here as soon as we're clear' was my first thought.
@bahoh20: what did CDC estimate? I think it was 6% of deaths attributed to Covid were due to Covid. Obscene what the media and Left have done - calling what they did hysteria is too kind.
Big Mike said...
So how’s Chris Christie doing.?
@tcrosse, more to the point, why doesn’t anyone outside the Trump family (and my wife and me) care about what’s happening with Melania? Have you seen a report about her? I have not seen anything since Saturday.
*************
Look harder.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/melania-trump-says-she-is-feeling-good-continuing-to-rest-amid-coronavirus
harrogate said...
It's good to be a billionaire and have round-the-clock world-class health care at one of the finest medical facilities in the world.
Therefore, none of us should be afraid of COVID.
**********
Oh sure....we are all engaging in that kind of stupid Olympics-class Conclusion Jumping.
snot
Trump can also use this as an opportunity to campaign against the FDA. Everyone should be able to access the same drug options as the President. But red tape delays drug approvals.
Walter Reed, M.D., U.S. Army (September 13, 1851 – November 22, 1902), was a U.S. Army physician who in 1901, led the team that confirmed the theory of the Cuban doctor Carlos Finlay that yellow fever is transmitted by a particular mosquito species, rather than by direct contact. This insight gave impetus to the new fields of epidemiology and biomedicine, and most immediately allowed the resumption and completion of work on the Panama Canal (1904–1914) by the United States. Reed followed work started by Carlos Finlay and directed by George Miller Sternberg, who has been called the "first U.S. bacteriologist".
Reality check:
On June 24th, Herman Cain ("9-9-9") attends a Trump rally.
On July 2nd, he tests positive for Covid-19.
On July 10th, "I feel great."
On Jul 15th, "My doctors are happy with my progress."
On July 27th, "I'm really getting better."
On July 30th, dead...
If Trump did fake the whole thing it was stable genius. The Left had 99% confidence that Trump would be fine, but the science isn't what guides them, so they let their derangement and debased nature run wild and openly hoped for his death, and said terrible and alienating things. Man, they are dumb people. The obviously smart call was to expect this, and to do what some did with calmer heads - be decent, so you don't look like an evil compassionless asshole. Talk about an unforced error, that was storybook, man.
Nothing but fear itself... 21st Century.
Freder Frederson said...
"Provisional death counts are weighted to account for incomplete data. However, data for the most recent week(s) are still likely to be incomplete."
So there's still hope?
"-problem is it is very unpredictable how it affects each individual"
Read the comment above with the CDC survival rates. That's about as predictable as something can get in real life.
I can see the value of tapping into the exhaustion with worrying about COVID and the desire to not let it control our lives, but most people know somebody who died from it and it’s hard to believe those people would be receptive to Trump’s acting like it’s no big deal. A all we have to fear is fear itself kind of statement would have been better.
Blogger Meade said...I'm ready to be infected and get it over with. Any UW students reading this who are planning a party tonight? Email me. I'll bring the beer.
Purposely getting it is totally my style and I would have done it months ago except my wife is high-risk, so that’s off the table.
Tim I don’t know what press you have been reading but it has been widely reported that Remdesivir administered in an early stage can reduce the hospital stay in some examples. For more detailed studies read NEJM
I have chinaflue right now. I'm a little achy, constant small headache, little sore throat. Weirdest thing is the feeling - it's not like any other flue or cold I've had - just odd feeling. Probably more to do with the mystique of the chinese flu than the actual virus. I'm fine and feel better already. Get over it little boys and girls.
Blogger tim in vermont said...
The thing that shocked me about Remdesivir was that the press was making it sound like it was borderline useless, but it turns out that it shortens hospital stays on average by 3 days. I guess I shouldn’t have been shocked that the press was lying, but still, I was.
In that first case in Washington State, the guy had severe pneumonia from the virus and his lungs cleared in 24 hours.
My cousin is an OR nurse who told me that if COVID is present, a death is counted as COVID related in order to get more federal funds for the hospital.
When I was in Tucson Med Center, I mentioned this to nurses and said I heard it was $17,000 per case. They assured me it was $40,000.
Meade, Althouse is trying to hint that it’s childish when you go on an on re riding your bike in the backyard and other places.
Get a clue. Get a board. Get juice.
https://twitter.com/RobSandIA/status/1313231656598134784
Yur welcome.
I have never heard leukemia described as "cancer of the immune system."
Most of the time the immune system is about immunity, that is fighting invaders like bacteria, viruses, parasites, and fungi. But part of the immune system makes the red blood cells, which have nothing to do with immunity.
Thus we could legitimately say that leukemia is always about the immune system, but more likely there is a distinction being made between white blood cell leukemias and red blood cell leukemias. There are many different kinds of leukemia. Almost every different kind of white blood cell has its own leukemia. That is a cancer where only that particular immune cell type is affected.
I haven't read all the comments, but has anyone mentioned that Trump feeling 20 years younger may be due to the steroid dexamethasone. It acts as a stimulant. He's known not to like to take any drugs so he may never have experienced steroids. When it was reported he ate a double meal over the weekend, and his tweet storm this morning, at one point one every three minutes, makes me think he's never taken them before.
He's been through the illness and what he's learned is, it's not so bad. I'm sure his opponents will pounce with recitations of the number who have died — 215,000!!
This is a complete bullshit lie.
215,000 people have died from Covid-19, the flu, and pneumonia combined in 2020.
Why do you think they are combining all 3 of these causes of death in their media reports?
I love these graphs!
Somehow the red Covid line tracks up to account for almost all of the deaths in 2020.
And the 2018 flu season had more total deaths than the 2020 flu season.
This is all bullshit.
People who think this is being reported honestly in any way are being purposely stupid and misled.
Readering said:
I hope it includes feats of fitness.
10/5/20, 2:20 PM
Yeah, the guy who has to retire for the day at 9 am is a marvel of physical and mental health.
I didn't notice your stupidity so much while Inga was still around because she was so far ahead of the pack on that score. But now that she's gone, it looks like you're going for the crown. You certainly get an A for effort.
What does he do before he enters the WH? Takes off his mask of course. Shows the respect he has for nobody.
Intentionally transmitting a deadly disease is a felony in most jurisdictions.
...and for some extra fun:
Interactive Tool: Masks & COVID-19
Feel free to play around with the filters on the right and let us know what information you find. The data takes county-level cases and deaths (per 100K population for COVID-19) and maps then as a correlation against the survey provided by the New York Times as to mask use across the country.
https://rationalground.com/interactive-tool-masks-covid-19/
The wife of a Massachusetts transit police officer who was injured in the manhunt for the Boston Marathon bombers accused Joe Biden of touching her inappropriately and making a suggestive comment in 2014.
In two Facebook posts, one of which has since been deleted, Kim Donohue alleged that during a remembrance ceremony in Boston, a year after the April 2013 deadly bombing, then-Vice President Biden began “rubbing” her lower back.
“Look at those eyes, where did you get those eyes?” Donohue wrote. “Anyone else as good looking as you in that family … those eyes are mesmerizing, people must just do whatever you say…”
You have to admit, it sounds like our Joe.
Inga, glad to see your comment at 4:54. Good luck and take care.
Hi Inga!
These people are drinking Kool-Aid from a fire hose. Next they will break into St. Vitus dance... unexpectedly
steve uhr: "What does he do before he enters the WH? Takes off his mask of course. Shows the respect he has for nobody."
OMG!!
60 seconds outside with more than 10 feet between any 2 people is ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING AND WORTHY OF IMMEDIATE IMPEACHMENT!
I don't believe Li'l Stevie Uhr will ever recover.
LOL
Look, everybody!
Spiros and Readering got the same talking points.
Leftist Collectivists are so very clever.
Hasn't he been directing his own medical care? As CiC, one of the few who can. Good to know that AA thinks he's been through "this illness." Kewl.
The WHO now estimates that 750,000,000 people have gotten ChiCom flu with deaths at approximately 1 million
Death rate (even with including more deaths from other causes) appears to = about .13%.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that in the range for the typical flu death rate?
The 200,000 number is the number who died WITH Winnie Xi Flu.
The number who died from is 6% of that, according to the CDC.
"I'm all for not being afraid. I'm in the school that says, take reasonable precautions and get on with life. But I do think this is a crappy thing to say after 200,000+ people died."
Again, this demonstrates that we have lost all perspective. Over two million Americans have already died this year, JPS, and about another million will die before year is finished. More Americans have died in traffic accidents over the last decade than have died of COVID, and most of them had two or more decades of life left. With this in mind, when is the right time to point out that we shouldn't live in fear of COVID?
There is Andrew Cuomo out there right now shutting down churches and synagogues.
BLM marches were totes OK though.
He is a fascist piece of shit.
Democrats at this point are just knowing enemies of freedom.
He's almost certainly still infectious . . .
4 days after a massive dose of mono-clonal antibodies, no, he probably isn't infectious right now. If his immune response has been short circuited by the treatment, then the illness may reflare or require a second infusion. He can be tested for antigens at this point, though.
Amazing how you can post CDC mortality rates (science) and our lefty friends completely ignore it and go on with their "we're all going to die" narrative.
Amazing but completely predictable.
Thanks for the best wishes, Robert and Godfather.
“If Trump were an ordinary citizen he'd probably would still be waiting for the test result. He wouldn't have been advised to go to the hospital unless his symptoms were severe and he was on death's door.
Of course I'm glad and relieved he's gotten the best treatment possible, but I know I wouldn't be getting the same.”
Trump gets the same care that the House and Senate and USSC members get, it’s good to be king. Biden had his brain surgery, twice, at Walter Reed, so he gets the best too. Biden said the nurses “breathed oxygen into his nostrils”. You and I aren’t going to get that! He must have gotten some good drugs.
Howard: "Hi Inga!
These people are drinking Kool-Aid from a fire hose. Next they will break into St. Vitus dance... unexpectedly"
Howard, did we ever get a body count from that combined chemical weapons/nerve agent attack executed by Trump against those innocent mothers who were simply breast feeding their babies while singing songs from the Sound Of Music?
Given your histrionics it had to be in the tens of thousands.
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