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"According to charging documents, [Ghislaine] Maxwell 'befriended' some of these victims, 'including by asking the victims about their lives, their schools, and their families.'"

"She and [Jeffrey] Epstein spent time forging relationships with these girls, by taking them shopping and to the movies. The alleged grooming happened, according to the documents, at Epstein’s mansion on the Upper East Side neighborhood of Manhattan, his estate in Palm Beach, Florida, his ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico, as well as Maxwell’s residence in London. After developing a rapport, the documents allege, 'Maxwell would try to normalize sexual abuse for a minor victim by, among other things, discussing sexual topics, undressing in front of the victim, being present when a minor victim was undressed, and/or being present for sex acts involving the minor victim and Epstein.'... Maxwell’s father was the British media baron Robert Maxwell. She was a one-time girlfriend of Epstein’s and key presence at his side in his glittering social life, which often included rich, influential and powerful people from around the world in politics, the arts and science."

From "Ghislaine Maxwell arrested by FBI and accused of 'setting trap' for Epstein victims" (The Guardian).

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Mr Wibble म्हणाले...

I'm reminded of the stories that come out about some stepdad or boyfriend who molests a kid, and it turns out that the mother knew, or even assisted.

Women are just as capable of evil as men

Big Mike म्हणाले...

Prediction. She's also going to kill herself in jail, despite guards (who were elsewhere at the time), CCTV (which was inoperative), and a cellmate (who was transferred to a new cell).

mezzrow म्हणाले...

Not yet, she didn't.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan म्हणाले...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUDr_c2PalI

Kevin म्हणाले...

You heard it at Althouse first:

Ghislaine Maxwell didn't kill herself.

whitney म्हणाले...

yeah look up her dad.

doctrev म्हणाले...

Well, of course. It was always a two-man con on the personal level.

On a higher level, of course, Jeff Epstein was being protected by a lot of someones, up to the level of international espionage and military force. In a way, Israel would have been better off if they simply said oh yeah, Ehud Barak was at his mansion using underage girls, and definitely NOT getting intelligence reports on the many wealthy men Epstein had managed to blackmail. Instead, Barak insists that he was just hanging out with Nobel Prize winners and Very Important People at the Epstein Mansion. Which just makes the whole thing that much more suspicious. A former political leader being completely blind to what Epstein was? I notice Trump was throwing elbows at Epstein years prior, yet he obviously never fell into the same pedo trap.

I wonder why that is.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

Call me conservative if you like, but where were -- oh, what the heck.

Nichevo म्हणाले...

"According to charging documents, [Ghislaine] Maxwell 'befriended' some of these victims, 'including by asking the victims about their lives, their schools, and their families.'"


Sounds harmless, just like that Revlon Boy you stuck up for grooming straight men and boys. What do they know about who they want to fuck? They'll fuck who Epstein/Maxwell/Revlon Boy tells them to fuck. Tryyyyy it, you'll liiiiike it.

PS: this is less bad than Revlon Boy, because heterosexual. Change my mind.

Nonapod म्हणाले...

Would be nice if the victims could actually get some justice but too bad she's going to commit suicide next week.

Sprezzatura म्हणाले...

What’s the over/under re comments in this thread that jabber about Clinton murder?

I’d put it at 11.

Just cracking double digits.

BTW, this comment of mine does count.

Natch.

Michael K म्हणाले...

The speculation is whether this is the reason that US Attorney, Berman, was fired. Was he protecting her? She was safe in France. Why did she come back to New Hampshire? To retrieve records or photos? Where is all of Epstein's stuff from his mansion?

pious agnostic म्हणाले...

Why did she come back to New Hampshire? To retrieve records or photos?

I read she purchased a mansion in NH. That's not what you do if you are simply retrieving evidence against you.

That's what you do if you think you are untouchable.

Why did she think that?

Drago म्हणाले...

adSs: "What’s the over/under re comments in this thread that jabber about Clinton murder?"

I'm not sure any discussion of Clinton murder can cut through the fog of hoax Barr Murder of Epstein and hoax Trump/Russia collusion which you and your pals have been pushing for so very long.

But I guess we'll see.

n.n म्हणाले...

Women are just as capable of evil as men

Yes, women can be just as ambitious, temperamental, and rational, and capable of wicked solutions not limited to "her Choice".

Drago म्हणाले...

And ARM checks in right on schedule.

As predicted from another thread just today:

Drago: "I am going to guess the idiots like Inga and Howard and ARM along with the marxist dems (which is pretty much all of them) will make 1 final big push to try and link Trump with Epstein while covering up all the dems deep connections with him and, when that fails, it will be "accidental" "fall" time for little Ghislaine.

7/2/20, 2:07 PM"

n.n म्हणाले...

too bad she's going to commit suicide

Ostensibly, a self-abortion, but appearances... well, there are precedents to consider that she would be an undue burden.

Meanwhile, the Boy Scouts and Catholic Church are being sued for the trans/homosexual male pedophiles lurking in their midst. The Weinstein and Oprah duo may be next on the docket.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

There is a lot of shit that has been covered up in the Epstein case, because he was trading or hiding secrets for money with different politicians, world figures and spy agencies.

The shit that I am most interested in is how he got so much money and how it was laundered. Ghislane probably doesn't know, but she still has a dangerous amount of information.

tcrosse म्हणाले...

The Brit press story about her Dad was that he was out on his yacht with his girlfriend. He asked her to toss him off, so she did.

Dr Weevil म्हणाले...

The thing about the SDNY is that the Public Corruption Unit is handling the investigation, not the sex crimes unit. Here's a couple of tweets from Brian C about that (link):

"Look, getting convictions against the actual pedos, that's EASY. That case was built back in 2007-2009. They already had most of the evidence.

So arresting Epstein, Maxwell, and all the other co-conspirators in the pedophile network, that's **not** the heavy lifting here.

The heavy lifting involved in this Epstein case is the SDNY PCU & the FBI going RIGHT AFTER the powerful former and present gov't officials who let a pedo ring escape justice a decade ago."

Of course, we also want to know exactly which politicians and non-politicians Epstein and Maxwell provided with underage hookers, and not only because there was likely some overlap between the personally pervy pols and the soft-on-pedophile pols. Hmmmm. I seem to recall that Robert Mueller was high up in the decision-making process. All in all, this should prove interesting.

KJE म्हणाले...

There’s a lot going on here, but hopefully no one forgets to ask about that painting will Bill Clinton in the blue dress...

Dave Begley म्हणाले...

I was hoping Durham was going to have the FBI arrest Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Paige, Brennan and Clapper today. Make them sit in jail until July 6.

DOJ asking for no bail on Maxwell.

Durham better start arresting people before the end of July or the Dems will allege election interference.

Andrew म्हणाले...

I'm watching this story on network news (NBC) right now. They referred to Epstein's "suicide" three separate times, as if there were no controversy over the matter. It was almost comical. Keep the faith, I guess.

D.D. Driver म्हणाले...

There was obviously a network of powerful shitfucks assisting her in hiding. The underground railroad for pedophiles. It shouldn't be that hard to figure out who they are. Will we see these people indicted? I doubt it.

William म्हणाले...

Here are some thoughts that I can only express in the comfortable anonymity of the internet: How many teen age girls have idyllic experiences their first time out? Epstein wasn't a bad looking guy, and the girls were prepped by Maxwell before the encounters. I think what she and Epstein did was very wrong, but I'm skeptical about whether the girls were unduly traumatized.....Epstein and Hugh Heffner had a lot in common, although Heffner exploited--coached?--contracted with?--girls who were three or four years older than the ones Maxwell and Epstein recruited, and that makes all the difference....Epstein left an estate of some six hundred million dollars. A lot of the money will go to these girls and their lawyers. Thank God. The money might have gone to Harvard otherwise.

William म्हणाले...

If she had some lurid stories about Trump, she would make bail and write a best selling book. Sadly, her lurid stories are probably all about Clinton. No bail or book publishing deals for her. No wonder the poor woman is so depressed. Who could blame her if she goes over the edge and commits suicide.

sunsong म्हणाले...

may justice prevail...may it be so!

Mary Beth म्हणाले...

What’s the over/under re comments in this thread that jabber about Clinton murder?

You were the first, and only so far, to mention the name "Clinton".

Bruce Hayden म्हणाले...

CDC: People With Dirt On Clintons Have 843% Greater Risk Of Suicide

There is still a lot we don’t know, and for political reasons, may never know. Where did Epstein’s money come from? It very likely wasn’t from trading stocks for others. Someone with a lot of money appears to have bankrolled him. Moreover, his insurance seems to have been more extensive than could be attributed to just a lot of very high level blackmail. Her father is apparently treated by the Israelis as one of their spies who died in the line of duty. Moreover, Israeli intelligence is apparently very much a family business, so it would not be the least bit surprising if his favorite child followed him into the business. Which would likely make her Epstein’s handler, and not just his procurer and madam. It should be interesting to see if, and when, anything comes of this arrest.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

My theory is that Mossad made her go back to the US and get arrested so Israel could have leverage and control over Democratic Party leadership.

gadfly म्हणाले...

Speculation among Brits was that Trump asked Berman to shut down investigation of Prince Andrew, who was obviously closely associated with Ghislaine Maxwell but AG Berman refused.

More likely, SDNY had too many open cases involving Trump and his mob friends including Giuliani, Parnas and Fruman - so Trump imposed his "justice."

Lots of unexplained pictures out there taken at Mar-A-Lago showing Andrew and Maxwell as well as Donald and Melania together with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

h म्हणाले...

I read a story (brought forward because of this arrest) about a woman who was befriended at age 14 by Maxwell in her "high school for the arts" in NYC where she (the 14 year old) was studying ballet. Maxwell convinced her to become a masseuse for Epstein who proceeded to rape her. I know we have all these stories, but this one rang true for me, and seemed especially sad (or horrific).

The woman is now an adult, and her life has been mis-shaped by this teenage experience. Epstein is to blame and Maxwell is to blame. I don't know how the law will work, and whether Maxwell can be held to account in court. I will try to maintain an open mind, but I think Maxwell has lost my confidence.

FullMoon म्हणाले...

Apparently a lot of grooming involves buying presents, going to dinners, sweet talking girls and women. Anybody here ever do that sort of thing? Right now, there are former girlfriends or dates thinking about how the men here took advantage of them and groomed them into having sex. Of course some of the victims ended up being married to the perp, but many didn't.

Only because of the wonders of the internet are they able to recognize how evil you were back in the day. Also due to the 'net, just typing in your name in a particular search engine will bring up your current and past addresses, phone numbers, emails, relatives, neighbors and business associates, for free

I wonder how much more info is available to those who pay five dollars for additional info.

Jeff म्हणाले...

Berman was also the guy who wouldn't meet with the Ukrainian prosecutor about Biden getting his predecessor fired because he was investigating Burisma. II suspect that's why Trump wanted him out.

Bob Smith म्हणाले...

My condolences to Ms. Maxwells family on her death by her own hand sometime next week. Sorry for your loss.

Birkel म्हणाले...

If believing it hard enough made it true, gadfly would personally execute Trump for a crime to be named later.

Mental health, bro.
Get some.

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan म्हणाले...

Some nice pictures of Trump and Ghislaine together. They seem very comfortable together.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8483641/How-Ghislaine-Maxwell-went-socialite-child-sex-trafficker.html

Michael K म्हणाले...

Lots of unexplained pictures out there taken at Mar-A-Lago showing Andrew and Maxwell as well as Donald and Melania together with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine

gadfly has enough horse shit to fill a barn. Remember when Trump threw Epstein out of Mar a Lago?

Of course not.

Michael K म्हणाले...


Blogger sunsong said...
may justice prevail...may it be so!


I rarely agree with sunsong and it is probably an accident, but I agree.

Sally327 म्हणाले...

When things got too hot in Albuquerque, Walter White (Breaking Bad) hid out in a cabin in the NH woods so maybe that's how Ghislaine got the idea. Except hers was a far more luxurious bolthole. Presumably she didn't have the Disappearer's help either or she wouldn't have been caught.

Pretty dumb, Ghislaine, not to get yourself to a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

"Lots of unexplained pictures out there taken at Mar-A-Lago showing Andrew and Maxwell as well as Donald and Melania together with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine"

Sorry, but Gadfly is self refuting.

madAsHell म्हणाले...

Also due to the 'net, just typing in your name in a particular search engine will bring up your current and past addresses, phone numbers, emails, relatives, neighbors and business associates, for free

Fortunately, I share a name with a famous musician. Well....he died a long time ago, but he still hides my name.

madAsHell म्हणाले...

Berman was selected by Sessions.

Sessions might be the dumbest motherfucker.

narciso म्हणाले...

Berman was guilianis law partner, he was deemed reliable.

Inga म्हणाले...

Was Barr protecting Maxwell? Is that why he fired Berman, because Berman was going to do exactly what was done today by Audrey Strauss, the acting US attorney for the SDNY.

Everyone but Michael K knows that there was a friendship between Trump, Maxwell and Epstein.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

ARM said...Some nice pictures of Trump and Ghislaine together. They seem very comfortable together.

This guy is more of a sleezeball than I thought. Perfect Democrat.

You go little pajama boy.

Drago म्हणाले...

The Lying Russia Collusion Truther Inga: "Everyone but Michael K knows that there was a friendship between Trump, Maxwell and Epstein."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Time for some actual truth coming from actual under oath testimony of people involved (btw, did you know that Inga positively despises under oath testimony? She still thinks Christopher Steele lied to a London court when he confessed his entire hoax dossier was unverified. Inga did not like that one little bit):

"Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him."

https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/

Ouch!

Another shot across the bow for our Lying Russia Collusion Moron Inga!

Drago म्हणाले...

gadfly: "Speculation among Brits was that Trump asked Berman to shut down investigation of Prince Andrew, who was obviously closely associated with Ghislaine Maxwell but AG Berman refused."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Just a couple days ago, Inga the Russia Collusion Truther was going on and on and on and on about conspiracy theories!

Our lefties are the most incompetent, inadvertently humorous and hilariously un-self-aware as any anywhere on "teh interwebs".

Beloved Commenter AReasonableMan म्हणाले...

Michael K said...

Remember when Trump threw Epstein out of Mar a Lago?




Michael K म्हणाले...

Everyone but Michael K knows that there was a friendship between Trump, Maxwell and Epstein.

The bedpan commando strikes again! Are you trying out for thew Babylon Bee?

Narayanan म्हणाले...

Q: will Israel do Entebbe style rescue of Ghislaine?

that should be a great movie

Narayanan म्हणाले...

Josephbleau said...
My theory is that Mossad made her go back to the US and get arrested so Israel could have leverage and control over Democratic Party leadership.
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good challenge to my Entebbe script

stlcdr म्हणाले...

Why the fuck should I care about this long drawn out torrid affair? It seems that a lot of high level (sic) people were indirectly involved in this and the reason it’s been drawn out is that those investigating (again, sic) are trying to only reveal the right people - the people who they want to damage (I.e. Trump and any other people on the right) but they have to be careful with what they reveal.

mikee म्हणाले...

Here's hoping she gets deposed in depth before she doesn't kill herself in her cell.

Unknown म्हणाले...

She should declare herself Muslim

Free pass for Muslim grooming gangs

Sqaud and blm will back your

Pizza runs

Bilwick म्हणाले...

Funniest thing I've read all week--even funnier than Howard and Inga trying to explain economics--is the piece in the Babylon Bee (linked to on Istapundit today) "Hiluigi Clintonelli hired as Ghislane Maxwell bodyguard."