"In a brilliant critique that I've stolen from a young family friend of ours who recently earned his degree in psychology, Clinton supporters are analogous to the wife in Battered Wife Syndrome. Go ahead and look up BWS -- you'll see it works. Now plug in Media for Wife and you'll see the same. Trumpians too, though to a lesser degree because the abusive relationship is still in its early stage of dating -- romantic steak dinners, careful grooming, fancy golden hotels, and tender sexy words whispered in their hopeful ears."
Wrote Meade, in a comment, after HoodlumDoodlum said "No matter how much the Dems shit on the Media, the Media still love the Dems. Embarrassing!"
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It seems pretty obvious. Clinton and Obama both despised the media and the media LOVED them. The GOP seems more fond of the media than the Dems for whatever reason. They are Dems with bylines.
The GOP seems more fond of the media than the Dems for whatever reason
No..the GOP Establishment is scared of the media. After all, the media might be mean to them and call them names.
Of course the media is always mean to Republicans, and calls them names.
No..the GOP Establishment is scared of the media. After all, the media might be mean to them and call them names.
Maybe it is fear. That would make some sense.
My view is: The press turned on John McCain. Every reporter's favorite Republican became a bigoted war monger in 2008, even as he ran a campaign softer on Obama than Sanders' campaign has been on Hillary.
You cannot trust them. Any Republican leaking to the media is an absolute imbecile and should be summarily fired for being an idiot.
Then are Bernie supporters just bug nutz crazy?
Trump unlike every other Republican has figured out the obvious; the media is composed of Democrats with bylines and he treats them as what they are: propagandist. He has been effective in neutralizing the media by exposing them as and treating them as shills for the Democrats. It's amazing how Trumpy the amateur has been able to show the Emperor has no clothes while the professionals haven't a clue.
People who support Trump aren't in love with him. He's the bad boy boyfriend you bring home to meet your parents when they keep disapproving of the guys you date. "See, Mom and Dad? Maybe you shouldn't have trashed all the other guys."
The battered wife syndrome is way off as an analogy. The media isn’t in love with the Democrats. The media is Democrats. They are people on a path going the same way. You can’t dissuade the media about unrequired love; it’s people with the same goal.
The situation in academia is the same. The Maoists are savaging the Leftist. But they are basically in agreement on the goal; they simply disagree about speed and have the occasional family feud about who is going to lead. The Yale couple who were attacked for suggesting that people could wear the Halloween costume of their choice did not fundamentally disagree with the young Maoists who drive them off campus. They pleaded with them that they really understood their concerns. They agree with the people who destroyed them.
A more apt analogy is not the battered wife, it’s the communist cadres who admitted to crimes against the state during the Stalin show trials.
"You cannot trust them."
You cannot trust them to favor the GOP or to favor any cause other than the constant "progress" of society (i.e., robbing selected Peter to pay collective Paul).
The newsrooms and news broadcast studios of America are nasty dens of collectivist and statist ideology. We are on our way to the social democracy of Europe (slow economic growth, cronyism, top-down micromanagement of society). That will work for a while, and then it won't work at all. For a speeded up version of the future, see Venezuela since 1998.
And the news organs of this country will be cheering our "social progress" even as the toilet paper disappears from the shelves at WalMart. (Of course, the Obamas and the Clintons and the Trumps and Tom Brokaw and Rachel Maddow will have access to toilet paper.) Chelsea Clinton will become the richest woman in America, just as Hugo Chavez's daughter is the richest person in Venezuela.
Atlas shrugged.
The MSM are "progressives;" not Democrats. If they are registered to vote at all, it is most likely as "Independents."
The idea is to manipulate the Democratic Party for their own ends through the "liberal" wing of the party, but as for having any loyalty or attachment to the Democratic Party as such, no. If anything they respect Democrat politicians even less than Republicans.
Win or lose, thanks to Trump, politics in this country will never be the same. The MSM have been exposed as having clay feet, and no clothes. They are, almost uniformly, not very smart partisan hacks. Think about how stupid the screw ups were that brought down such household names as Dan Rather and, now, perky Katie Curic. He was stupid enough to try to sway the election with an impossibly fabulous story and obviously faked evidence. As if no one remembered that we didn't have Microsoft word when GW Bush was in the TANG. And Curic was first caught doctoring the video (thanks to the subjects of such not trusting her, and insisting on their own copy, for just that reason), and then it turning out that her people had committed multiple federal felonies in trying to prove our gun laws inadequate. It was actually quite humorous - her saying essentially that there should be a law against what we just did, and it turning out that there were laws, they had violated them, and their acts were federal felonies. Stupid people all around the MSM.
I think that the time this really hit home was when Candie Crawley broke Romney's momentum and protected Obama about Benghazi. Romney was, of course right, and she the lying POS. But the damage was done, and we had four more years of destruction of our economy, military, foreign relations, and values. We were starting to see this with the other Republican nominees, many of whom seemed to realize that they had to call the MSM out for what they really are, as evidenced by many of them threatening to walk out of that debate. But, they were still too timid, and that is not what we want. Trump is the nominee because no one can take this fight to the enemy better than he can.
Democrats' Terms and Conditions to Journalists:
You cannot talk Republicans.
You have to talk about me all the time.
You have to write a lot of hugs.
You have to buy me column inches.
You can't break our heart because if you break our heart we will break your career.
You can't break up with me. If we have problems we will resolve them. You won't like how we resolve them.
You can't hug those Republicans.
You can fist bump the 'good' Republicans that's it.
You can't be looking at those Republicans.
I agree with these terms and conditions...
I am Laslo.
btw- Any reporter asking Hillary about her religious views?
or her approval of late term abortion?
We have the pro-democrat hack press. That is our press. They are all democrats and they all have an agenda.
Laslo is the greatest.His comments float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.
As for us Trump Lovers, nobody loves that kind of mental strength and resolve. We are just very thankful such a talent set exists and gives himself to lead us in Battle. It is our battle after all. He wins nothing by it. We win or lose everything.
And the Romney Cultists idea that winning a victory under Trump's leadership style embarrass us strikes me as the most absurd thought ever uttered.
Amber, the Blacked-Out Possibly Raped College Girl says:
So when my boyfriend came home after that night where he may have raped me he said he would never do a thing like that, that it was just a drunk misunderstanding, that's all.
I wanted to talk about it more, but he said if I kept bringing that shit up he would be gone for good. That didn't seem fair -- I had a lot of feelings about that night that I needed him to understand -- but I didn't want him to leave me.
Anyway, I was groggy from wine and Vicodin so I went to bed. He played a video game, I could hear it from the living room, then he came in a bit later and put his hand on my shoulder, and I pulled away. It was just a reflex, I think, I was pretty out of it, but it obviously hurt his feelings.
He said he wanted to sleep with me, but I told him I wasn't ready yet, I was still emotionally confused about 'that night'.
"Not that shit again" he said, and that maybe he just needed to find a girl who didn't have such problems.
I didn't want to have sex, but I didn't want to fight either. I said 'No' again, but then we had sex and I may have passed out during it, I don't remember.
When I woke up he was gone again. It's like I don't want this to keep happening but then it keeps happening. So I took some of the Vicodin I had left from my ski-boarding injury, and went back to sleep.
I thought being raped would be different.
I am Laslo.
The media is akin to mushrooms. They have no objection to being left in the dark and they enjoy being fed manure.
"...and Trump supporters are analogous to the husband in Battered Wife Syndrome?"
It's amazing how Trumpy the amateur has been able to show the Emperor has no clothes while the professionals haven't a clue.
Yup. I am still watching him with amazement as Romney and Kristol and others look like fools. Hugh Hewitt seems to be the latest to join the monkey chorus.
Win or lose, thanks to Trump, politics in this country will never be the same.
Actually, I think Obama changed everything. He was probably running for VP when he began in 2008. Then. he realized, like Trump now has, that accomplishments meant nothing if you were the right color (black but not too black) and you had made a few right choices like leaving the white girlfriend and marrying Michelle who had a similar affirmative action history.
His luck and charisma even carried him past a highly qualified opponent in 2012. McCain was getting too old in 2008 and the finacial crash wrecked the GOP chances no matter who the nominee was.
Romney was probably our last chance to avoid the crisis that is coming. There is no way the debt will ever be repaid. Social Security is bankrupt. The maze of regulations and lawless rule making has just about killed the economy except for moneychangers in New York and San Francisco. The only healthy economy is in Texas and that is ground zero for the left to attack.
The NeverTrumpers say they would rather see the coming crash blamed on Hillary than a Republican. They don't understand that he will begin the revolution, like Teddy Roosevelt Jr said, "We'll start the war from right here," when they landed him on the wrong beach on D-Day.
Trump is "creative destruction" in living color. When the train is going off the cliff, you pull the cord to stop it. Even if you don't know what will happen next,
Obama is not the product of "affirmative action," but rather of "white privilege" (despite the skin color). Think of him as Bill Ayers' revenge on society.
Nor is Michelle. She was her father's daughter and a minor princess of the Chicago organization; "affirmative action" had nothing to do with it.
""affirmative action" had nothing to do with it."
I disagree. AA got them into Harvard Law and Princeton. They were being groomed.
Michael is right. The next crash may already be starting. Many signs were pointing there from early this year. The last employment/labor force participation report was very troubling.
This was foreshadowed by a slew of private employment reports from the previous two months.
The Republican Establishment is now dedicated to taking down Trump. Starting with Ryan's "text book racism" comment this week, and continuing with Romney's interviews on CNN, they are all lining up to give Hillary's campaign the meat of what will be her most devastating ads/debate lines against Trump. "Your own guys said this about you." Since Nixon's impeachment, that has always proven to be the most effective attack. (Conversely, the Democrats to a man and woman held the line against ever publicly condemning Clinton, even when he was caught red-handed in perjury.)
You are wrong. Bill Ayers' Weatherman network got Obama into Columbia and Harvard; not AA.
And Michelle never was "groomed" for anything; she just is her father's daughter and her husband's wife.
"You are wrong. Bill Ayers' Weatherman network got Obama into Columbia and Harvard; not AA.
And Michelle never was "groomed" for anything; she just is her father's daughter and her husband's wife."
I don;t want to argue with you. We just disagree.
Michelle grew up four houses from where I grew up in Chicago. They bought their house years after we left. When I was growing up in that neighborhood, it was a lovely peaceful middle class area. Now it is a hellhole of violence so bad that blacks are moving away. Whites left years ago.
What do you think happened ? She was sent to Princeton by AA.
Ayres got a hold of Obama after he went to Chicago after Harvard Law. I suspect he was steered from Occidental to Columbia to Harvard Law by Muslim activists who groomed him. Maybe it was the Saudis. We may never find out.
Any way, unless you have a source that you are not disclosing, we are both expressing opinions, not facts.
Gobbledygook aside, it's always good to have preconceived reasons why you are gonna lose wayyy before you actually lose as it lessens the effect when the inevitable occurs.
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Althouse ignoring it on a daily basis notwithstanding, Trump doesn't appear to be bringing the Rep party together. Indeed as every time he opens his mouth the divide deepens. Is it the media's fault Paul Ryan et al cons are more unhappy w/the donald daily?
Congress has a 78% disapproval. Again, the media's fault?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't talk radio dominated by conservatives! And of course Fox News with its high ratings.
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Why are you complaining when many of "you" have already assured the rest of us ad nauseam that Trump will win a landslide victory. Eagerly awaiting the talk of skewed polls just like 4 years ago.
Moderate independents just aren't buying the bullshit Trump and his fellow cons are selling. btw, just when did Trump become a conservative or is still an evolving process.
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Indeed, it's the media's fault every time Trump opens his mouth and looks not just unpresidential, but like he's still in kindergarten.
I yield back the balance of my time ...
I do not know why Obama left Occidental without a degree. Might be just "choom gang" behavior and flunking out. He went to Chicago - South Chicago - and got involved with "activism." For 3(?) years he worked as a "community organizer" out of an office on the same floor as Bill Ayers' office. (That, if anything, was dispensing AA, not receiving it.)
We have statements from 2 people who claim Bill Ayers' parents paid for his tuition at Columbia; one of them said it was Obama himself who told him this.
One person who said he was there when Obama came back to Chicago from Harvard, posted that Obama applied for a position at UC or UI-Chicago law school, and the dean threw his application on top of the pile and forgot about it. A couple of days later the dean got a phonecall advising him that he had misunderstood the situation; Mr. Obama was to be hired as a so-and-so, at a salary of such-and-such.
This is Chicago politics at work; not AA.
As for Michelle, I do not see that she ever has been very active for anything; she has just been a privileged daughter of the "organization" and have done as was expected of her, which is life as she knows it.
Having a rough morning, Michael K? It's not even noon over there and apparently you think "The Blacks" are already out to get you.
What's life like when "The Blacks" can't even let you cook up a decent plate of bacon and eggs without putting thoughts of real estate depreciation and pervasive crime into your tiny little head?
Look over there under your sofa there's a black man! Quick! Hide the silverware!
Ha ha. Just kidding. Made you jump, you old white-headed wacko.
Hopefully your car isn't fancy enough to attract theft.
Let's review the record:
Obama went to Punahou School, where he focused on toking. He then went to Occidental for two years, and transferred to Columbia. He then showed up at Harvard Law School in 1988. Since no records have been released, it is hard to evaluate the extent, if at all, BHO benefited from lower standards for AA admits. His election as president of the Harvard Law Review is at a minimum a tribute to his political skills.
It is well known in Chicago that Newton Minow (father of current HLS dean Martha Minow) and Lew Manilow, both Democratic Party godfathers, were early sponsors of BO's career. They introduced him to the coterie of lakefront liberals that have run this town (into the ground) since the fifties. A nasty loss to Bobby Rush in a congressional primary was a temporary setback. It was on to the Illinois Senate (Where's Barry?), and the rest is history.
The only opponent he ever faced who didn't have a glass jaw was Bobby Rush, but that says more bad about the GOP than it does about him. He beat every chump he faced.
Michelle worked at Sidley & Austin after Princeton and HLS. I say may her days be long. Again, it is hard to say how much AA helped her, but she was well regarded at S&A. I think they liked her more than she liked them. She was working in Sidley's highly regarded media (mostly advertising law) practice. She left to take a good law job with the City of Chicago.
This is the way AA is supposed to work--find talented minority candidates and give them a chance. If you believe that racial integration in and of itself is valuable to our society, the Obamas are a success story.
The real problem is that many of us disagree with BHO's policies. Well, there were plenty of chances to beat him along the way, and we didn't do it. The anti-progressives need to up their game.
Is Trump the answer? I doubt it, but he will be entertaining in his cage match with first major party nominee to identify as a woman.
"The only opponent he ever faced who didn't have a glass jaw was Bobby Rush, but that says more bad about the GOP than it does about him. He beat every chump he faced."
Worth repeating ...
Hagar, thanks for the additional info. I don't know if that is the answer.
The president of the HLR was clearly AA at work since he never wrote an article. I dont; think even Chicago reaches that far.
Ritmo, shouldn't you be at work ?
Battered Wife Syndrome isn't discussed much nowadays. Citizens are mostly powerless to select the people to govern. One vote doesn't go far and no one with a job and life has time to be politically active. Just not a worthwhile hobby so unless you're in the game you don't have time to keep track of who is being groomed to be the useless leaders of the major parties.
Trump is mocking all of them, which is good. He's the ultimate comedian. I doubt he'll win or even cares about winning (he probably wants to lose to get back to other things). His campaign is entertaining. And politics should be entertaining. The country at the federal, state, and local level is bankrupt and inept. If Trump can demolish the last vestiges of idealism in the citizenry or faith in political leaders, then mission accomplished.
Geez Michael KKK having a hard time figuring out who to vote for this year? I mean you hate blacks, minorities, the poor AND the working class.
You're a hard voter to satisfy. So many groups of people you hate. So few options.
Only a Trump-Hillary joint ticket will satisfy you. They could combine all the people they both hate into one big super-hate ticket. That way all your hatreds could be met.
PBS' "Frontline" had a documentary on the "ex" Weatherman brothers and sisters in the late '80s or early '90s. Every last one of them was employed at a university, excpt Mark Rudd, who was a mere math instructor at NM Community College. But then he had expressed strong doubts about their actions back when.
Most of the men were professors, but the sisters were mostly embedded in administrative offices. (Do you watch "MASH" re-runs? Who do you most want on your side; the colonel or Radar?)
And all the sisters, without exception, were wholly convinced they had just been too early, and all hoped the revolution would still come while they were still strong enough to help man the barricades and load the guns.
Ritmo nearly made it til noon.
Or is he on the west coast?
Obama's career is all tied to progressive big money and privilege, which is all "white," not "black."
You need to take your eyes off hs skin color; that is just accidental.
Rusty - you're a cool guy. Not just anyone can make a baseball hat into a niqab, using it to cover their face the way this woman did.
But you manage to pull it off with aplomb.
Q. What's the difference between Rusty and this woman.
A. The woman in the photo isn't too scared to allow others to see her eyes.
"The only opponent he ever faced who didn't have a glass jaw was Bobby Rush, but that says more bad about the GOP than it does about him. He beat every chump he faced."
If not for a judge opening sealed divorce records for no valid reason, he'd have lost his first Senate election. Easily.
Side by side comparison.
Looks like the two of you lovebirds have a lot in common, Rusty. In terms of presentation.
I'd bet no one gives you stares when you two are out in public together.
@AprilApple,
Clinton and Sanders on late term abortion.
We have been printing a trillion dollars a year and borrowing a trillion dollars a year for 7 years. That is 12% of GDP.
Growth has been under 2% a year.
We are heading for a massive correction. Math is going to win. They will try to hold it off until a republican elected and blame it on them. This has been my theory for several years.
"That way all your hatreds could be met."
Yours will never be met because they are fantasy.
If not for a judge opening sealed divorce records for no valid reason, he'd have lost his first Senate election. Easily.
I actually blame the Illinois GOP for this. Peter Fitzgerald was the Republican who defeated Mosley Braun but he was rejected by the GOP when he planned to run for re-election. He had not played ball with the "Combine" of which Hastert was a senior member.
Known as a maverick for his willingness to break party lines, Fitzgerald retired from the Senate in 2005 and was succeeded by Barack Obama.
After retiring from politics, he and his wife moved to McLean, Virginia. The son of millionaire banking magnate Gerald Francis Fitzgerald,[1] Peter founded Chain Bridge Bank in 2007.
They forced out FitzGerald and Ryan was recruited. Then the rest happened. What were FitzGerald's crimes ?
He was the first Republican in Illinois to win a U.S. Senate race in 20 years and the only Republican challenger in the country to defeat an incumbent Democratic senator in the 1998 election cycle.
Fitzgerald had two major moments in the spotlight in the Senate, the first in 2000 when he filibustered a massive federal spending bill because it included funds for the Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield. He did it to bring to light the Democrat-controlled Illinois state government's failure to promise competitive bidding for the project. His second major moment was following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when Congress quickly passed a massive bailout measure for most of the major airlines, which were in trouble financially. Standing alone out of all members of the U.S. Senate, Fitzgerald delivered a speech, "Who will bail out the American taxpayer",[8] arguing that the airlines would simply go through the money and remain financially unstable. The bill passed 99-1.
Yup, pretty serious sins. Who cares about the taxpayer or competitive bidding ?
That's where Obama came from.
Hagar- I agree, except the Ayers and Jarretts loved Obama because he was black.
I do think it's funny that we are still not allowed to know about that time with Obama. That period of his life up through the time he was giving money to the communist Klonsky, and the way he hid his work with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Everyone is still so protective of Obama, and it's like nobody expects him to even remember his early years.
"That way all your hatreds could be met."
Yours will never be met because they are fantasy.
If not for a judge opening sealed divorce records for no valid reason, he'd have lost his first Senate election. Easily.
I actually blame the Illinois GOP for this. Peter Fitzgerald was the Republican who defeated Mosley Braun but he was rejected by the GOP when he planned to run for re-election. He had not played ball with the "Combine" of which Hastert was a senior member.
Known as a maverick for his willingness to break party lines, Fitzgerald retired from the Senate in 2005 and was succeeded by Barack Obama.
After retiring from politics, he and his wife moved to McLean, Virginia. The son of millionaire banking magnate Gerald Francis Fitzgerald,[1] Peter founded Chain Bridge Bank in 2007.
They forced out FitzGerald and Ryan was recruited. Then the rest happened. What were FitzGerald's crimes ?
He was the first Republican in Illinois to win a U.S. Senate race in 20 years and the only Republican challenger in the country to defeat an incumbent Democratic senator in the 1998 election cycle.
Fitzgerald had two major moments in the spotlight in the Senate, the first in 2000 when he filibustered a massive federal spending bill because it included funds for the Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield. He did it to bring to light the Democrat-controlled Illinois state government's failure to promise competitive bidding for the project. His second major moment was following the September 11, 2001 attacks, when Congress quickly passed a massive bailout measure for most of the major airlines, which were in trouble financially. Standing alone out of all members of the U.S. Senate, Fitzgerald delivered a speech, "Who will bail out the American taxpayer",[8] arguing that the airlines would simply go through the money and remain financially unstable. The bill passed 99-1.
Yup, pretty serious sins. Who cares about the taxpayer or competitive bidding ?
That's where Obama came from.
"If not for a judge opening sealed divorce records for no valid reason, he'd have lost his first Senate election. Easily."
Yeah. I gave $1,000 to Jack Ryan's campaign a week before he withdrew. His ex-wife Jeri said throughout the campaign that Jack was an excellent father and she thought he would be an excellent senator. Then the Chicago Tribune (The World's Worst Newspaper) at the instigation of David Axelrod decided that the custody records (sealed by agreement in the interests of the son) had to become public. They sued and a complaisant Dem judge in Southern California unsealed the records of the custody battle. As everyone knows, the parties are on their best behavior and at their most truthful in a custody battle. The Trib managed to create a sex scandal for a GOP candidate with his own wife.
The editor of the Tribune said that if she had known how insignificant it was, she never would have pursued the records (another chump self-identifies). In the meantime, Jack was called to account by the hapless leaders of the Illinois GOP to whom he had been saying for three weeks that there was nothing embarrassing in the sealed divorce records. Jack dropped out, and the geniuses at GOP Central parachuted in Alan Keyes, who may be crazy. Interesting but unsurprising fact: Keyes was Bill Kristol's roommate at Harvard. That explains a lot.
In the course of the campaign, Keyes revealed that he supported reparations for black Americans. Who knew? That was the election where the rock-bottom, to the death number of Illinois GOP voters was revealed. It's 29%, because that was Keyes's percentage vs. BHO. So the Keyes campaign wasn't a total waste.
Yeah, BHO has had a tough row to hoe. No wonder he doesn't know anything. None of his opponents have even made him breathe hard.
To the people on this thread who think there was a dark conspiracy by the Wall Street/Weathermen/ Saudis/Bill Ayres/George Soros/Greenmantlesque types to put BHO in the White House: I think you need to look hard at the Illinois GOP. They appear to have been part of it.
bullshit Miriam. Hillary supports abortion in all cases, at all stages.
From your link:
Clinton and Sanders didn't expressly seek legal abortions at 36 weeks; neither candidate has said that fetuses don't feel pain or have rights.
exactly AprilApple
The larger issue is -- why won't the Corrupt Clintonopolis media ask her about her stance on late term abortion?
The hack Clintonopolis press will ask Romney why he plans to ban tampons and contraception. ***Coordinated hack-bomb from Dem central corrupt media war room to multi-million dollar paid hack Stephanopolis.**
To me all "liberals" are suffering from Battered Wife Syndrome, or something akin to it. No matter what horrors the State causes, no matter what suffering it engenders, no matter how much money it loots from us, "liberals" are like some bruised and battered wife in a trailer park on COPS, saying, "Well, yeah, he's been mean to me before, but he promises he's gonna treat me right from now on, and I believe him . . . ."
Did you want to post it a third time, Michael KKK? Or is twice good enough?
Miriam's right, April. Between the mainstream left or Sanders position on abortion and Hillary's "view" (obviously I use the word "view" advisedly in reference to Clinton because she could change it tomorrow), Hillary's is the more "pro-life"/anti-choice.
She's definitely your right-wing left-wing candidate on that sort of thing.
When asked about restrictions regarding a time limit:
"Clinton, by contrast, noted that she has gone on the record as in favor of some "late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother."
However, Clinton stressed that she objects to the recent efforts in Congress to pass a federal law banning abortions after 20 weeks with no exceptions. "Under Roe v. Wade, it is appropriate to say in these circumstances" that abortion rights may be restricted, she said -- "so long as there's an exception for the life and health of the mother.""
From my link above.
AprilApple, first if you want to argue a point effectively, you should read the information provided in the link. The comments were from a town hall in which the two candidates WERE asked about late term abortion by the moderator, who is a member of the press. Clinton and Sanders went on record with their views.
Trump is the battered wife here. The media pumped him up, partially defended him when it was convenient, and helped to destroy his opposition - all before the wedding. Now that he's sewn up the GOP nomination, the media's task is to paint him as a pariah and batter the crap out of him. If you follow Morning Joe, you saw the transition immediately. Others were more indirect, but all are now committed to slapping him around so that he can't get elected. Did anyone really expect anything different?
To the people on this thread who think there was a dark conspiracy by the Wall Street/Weathermen/ Saudis/Bill Ayres/George Soros/Greenmantlesque types to put BHO in the White House:
Not at all. He was always to be a political, but I do not think anyone, including Obama himself, ever thought he would go as far as he did and that it would be that easy.
"I think you need to look hard at the Illinois GOP. They appear to have been part of it."
Yup. My comment above includes more.
Ritmo, isn't there a MacDonald's shift about to start ? If you don't get your ass in there, you might find a kiosk doing your job next,
Of course, if you are a burger flipper, it will be a robot. 600 burgers an hour I hear.
jaydub is on to something. I saw the change on Morning Joe. They built him up and promoted him every single day. However they had unrealistic expectations that he would "pivot", become more Presidential, to not be so blatantly racist, misogynistic, etc, etc. He didn't pivot, he was unable to become what he truly wasn't. The man is incapable of being anything but exactly what he is. Those who expected this buffoon to all of a sudden become a statesman were pretty stupid.
So Trump is the punching bag that the media desperately needed in order to find someone even less presidential to lose the race to their unpopular leader, Hillary.
Makes sense. In the past unpromising candidates (like W.) were groomed to "look the part." But Hillary was so horrible at it that the best they could do is to run a blundering patsy as her opponent.
"Clinton, by contrast, noted that she has gone on the record as in favor of some "late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother."
Which means no restrictions, since legally, mental health is enough to slaughter a baby.
damikesc - exactly. The *wink* loophole is always there when it comes to Clinton and her stance on late term abortion.
Which means no restrictions, since legally, mental health is enough to slaughter a baby.
But the state of one's mental health is not prone to a definition as labile as Clinton's. Or your typical Republican's, for that matter.
At the risk of being accused of hijacking the thread, this idea of "no exceptions" must be addressed. No exceptions for the mother's health? What about exceptions due to the health of the fetus? That is what separates the extremists from the realists. There are real physical exceptions that happen in pregnancies after 20 weeks.
Why one woman had an abortion after 20 weeks.
"If such a ban had been in place a year ago, I would have been condemned to carry and give birth to a baby who had no chance at life.
I have been happily married for more than a decade, and I have two beautiful children. When my husband and I found out last year that I was pregnant again, we were overjoyed.
At 20 weeks, my husband and I went for our favorite prenatal visit: the detailed ultrasound anatomy scan that shows your baby’s heart, kidneys, bladder, stomach, spine and brain and whether you’re having a girl or a boy. I could barely contain myself as I sat on the exam table, eager to meet our baby more intimately. My husband and I chit-chatted with the ultrasound technician, gabbing and laughing when we recognized familiar features on the ultrasound images.
But after five minutes, only my husband and I were talking. The technician had grown quiet. She just kept printing picture after picture and pressing the wand deeper into the gel on my stomach.
My husband and I reached for each other’s hands. We asked the technician if everything was all right, and she said we should wait for a doctor to talk to us. When the OB/GYN entered, I remember asking point-blank, “Is there a chance our child will be okay?” He responded kindly, softly and unequivocally: “No.”"
BTW, your candidate Trump has been all over the place with his stance on abortion.round and round he goes, where he stops no one knows. He's on the record of being in favor of partial birth abortion. How do you folks square that circle?
LOL - she's deleting whole passages in her book about her stance on TTP that no longer aid her in her deception and unprincipled climb for power.
Balls - Hillary is left or right depending on the day, and what it will get her.
Balls - Hillary is left or right depending on the day, and what it will get her.
True. But less predictable and more important is whose rights she'll revoke, depending on time of day and personal reward.
If she had her way both fetus and mother would go to hell. She's probably the only candidate who could manage to piss of both constituencies and be both anti-life and anti-choice.
Miriam - what about all the women who have late-term abortions out of sheer laziness. Do they count? You cool with that?
You cool with Doc Goznell? Nobody is arguing there shouldn't be acceptations to necessary abortions.
Look up Turners Syndrome.
Nope, AprilApple, I'm most definitely not "cool with that". Nothing I've said has pointed to that. And yes indeed there are people here arguing the "exception" clause. Have you skipped some comments upstream?
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"Clinton, by contrast, noted that she has gone on the record as in favor of some "late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother."
Which means no restrictions, since legally, mental health is enough to slaughter a baby."
I know someone who was pregnant with a fetus that had Turners syndrome. No heart beat. She had to have an abortion. Guess what - totally legal, as it should be.
The exception clause is all you have. Then you and your candidate use it as an exception to carry-on as usual and late term abortion stays 100% legal.
AprilApple,
I don't mean to be rude, but your comments and reading show a 'sloppiness'. Your arguments might be more effective if you slowed down and read more carefully. Just a suggestion.
Miriam - what about all the women who have late-term abortions out of sheer laziness.
All of them? "All" of how many? The 1.3% of all abortions? I'm almost positive that "laziness" is even less a factor for those than it is for the others. As untruthful as Hillary is, I have to push back now and then. Miriam's source was accurate and the pie chart in there is important and informative.
Do they count? You cool with that?
You cool with Doc Goznell?
No one is. Who protested that guy's prosecution? Exactly nobody. There are laws and as difficult as you or anyone else finds it to define the line between murder and abortion, no one will prevent people from at least trying to find one.
Nobody is arguing there shouldn't be acceptations to necessary abortions.
I think most people who bring them up actually are doing that. Unless I'm mistaken, the late term stuff is almost exclusively medical tragedies. There are websites devoted to parents grieving from wanted pregnancies that had to be ended because of this. It's tragic stuff and regrettably distorted by putting it through the politics of the abortion lens.
Again - back to the media. The media buried the Gosnell story because it brought to the forefront the reality of late term abortion and its grizzly reality.
If Hillary is pressured to actually change her hard stance on pro-abortion-on-demand at all stages -then good. But I doubt it. Again, she's in this for herself. She will continue to use the red herring of ""for the health of the mother" to keep all abortions unrestricted. Europe is more progressive. She's a Planned Parenthood stooge.
Miriam - If you support Hillary, and you do, you are not really worth my time. Hillary is a hack and a liar and she will say anything to position herself to achieve power and money.
" Unless I'm mistaken, the late term stuff is almost exclusively medical tragedies. There are websites devoted to parents grieving from wanted pregnancies that had to be ended because of this. "
Jeeez.
So 73% of black pregnancies are "medical tragedies?"
That's bullshit and even a MacDonald's server knows better,
I am prochoice and have done abortions long ago when it was legal in California and I was in training. However, it is important to be honest about what is happening. The pro-abortion Democrats (which includes all but Casey Sr who was barred from speaking at the D convention) set up these straw men arguments.
There is an argument that abortions such as the one in the WaPo article should be legal and very, very few deny that.
Personally, I think they should be legal until 20 weeks. These days there are almost no reasons for "mother's health" exceptions except breast cancer and melanoma which are both rare in pregnancy.
We used to see young women with mitral stenosis go into heart failure in third trimester but I doubt LA County hospital sees a case a year,
In fact, abortion has turned into a huge industry subsidized by the government. In Europe abortion is banned after 20 weeks with very rare exceptions.
AprilApple,
Again, sloppy sloppy sloppy. Clinton is on record with being OK with abortions restrictions WITH exceptions. You yourself just told a story about a case in which the "exceptions" would've come into play. I don't care how much you personally dislike her, that doesn't matter to me, but I've provided links to her public stance on late term abortion. You continue to assign a stance to her that she doesn't have. Sometimes ya just gotta slow down and read the article before you shoot off your mouth, or you risk looking like a knee jerker, know nothing.
I'm in favor of exceptions being rare. I believe most people are.
Miriam - Not sloppy - You're just blind. I'm telling you, I don't believe her. Hillary is a known liar. She is also a cog in the abortion industry. Her "exceptions" clause is the exception she will use to keep all abortion on demand legal, no matter what. If Hillary ever has anything to do with a 20 week abortion ban - then I will eat my words.
Hillary will continue to use legal loopholes and "exceptions" as her dance, but *wink* the abortion industry know they can always count on her. Especially if the tax payer can be fleeced to pay for it all.
No one's impressed with whatever you did as a part of pre-specialist training 70 years ago or whenever, Dr. KKK. Put a reputable citation up there or STFU and get out. Guttmacher says it's <1.3% that are greater than or equal to 20 weeks post LMP. CDC's stats are similar (1.4% after 21 weeks). And I wouldn't even necessarily define all that as "late term." JAMA has published articles that wait until the third trimester to define as "late term."
So enough with your hatred of working people and blacks. Cite a verifiable statistic or shut up and get the fuck back onto your golf course or wherever it is you go to complain about your daughters.
These days there are almost no reasons for "mother's health" exceptions except breast cancer and melanoma which are both rare in pregnancy.
Pregnancies themselves incur risk, you dumbass witch doctor. Only a complete bullshitting fool pretends not to know that.
But maybe you live in a female body and just don't know it.
I wonder how many of Bill's lovers had abortions? Just askin'.
Eh AprilApple, how do you reconcile voting for Trump? Do you believe everything he says? Trump depends on people like you who use sloppy thinking. He loves his uneducated masses. I'm not saying you're uneducated by any means April, but it seems that you are not able to believe anything from anybody that you consider liberal or Democrat. Trump may be more liberal than Hillary, lol.
Anyone here who actually thinks the federal government is going to regulate any non-patentable medical practice is fooling themselves, anyway. It's the states that do this stuff. The federal government is not going to get into the business of deciding which post-20 week LMP pregnancy is illegal and which isn't. Just not going to happen.
It's understandable that Dr. Michael KKK the anti-black, anti-working class witch doctor doesn't understand that regulation of health care and medicine takes place almost exclusively at the state level. But he's incorrigible. I'm just throwing this out there for people who actually care to learn the issues. Dr. KKK doesn't care to learn anything that he hasn't himself written in a book that got published and never read.
April, I read that Trump forced Ivana to have multiple abortions, yikes. Just read this, who knows if it's true.
Miriam - Hillary is corrupt. She's a liar.
No matter how stupid and ghastly Trump is, he has never used his political power to stuff his Family Foundation... w/ a private server set up to circumvent transparency.
AprilApple,
Trump is a worse liar and more corrupt, not even speaking of stupid. This election is a personal choice between the lesser of two evils. I prefer Sanders, but that is not to be. I'll never vote for Trump. And I won't throw away my vote with a third party vote or by staying home. The Democratic platform has some issues on it that are very important to me and reflect my political and personal philosophy the best. Why would I vote for a Trump?
Miriam--It is GREAT to have Inga back. Was any cosmetic surgery involved, or did you just go with what you have?
"I prefer Sanders"
"Trump may be more liberal than Hillary, lol."
"The Democratic platform has some issues on it that are very important to me and reflect my political and personal philosophy the best. Why would I vote for a Trump?"
Trump in reality is neither a liberal , nor is he a conservative. He is an authoritarian,money grubbing, thin skinned, bigot, racist, misogynist, fraud. That is why I won't vote for him, just in case you're confused Walter.
So enough with your hatred of working people and blacks
I try to avoid you, Ritmo and notice how the left always tries to get personal in comments against people they disagree with.
Here is your own source, idiot !
White patients accounted for 39% of abortion procedures in 2014, blacks for 28%, Hispanics for 25% and patients of other races and ethnicities for 9%.[3]
Notice that the figure for percent of back pregnancies is not there ? Here is one source.
Childress: African Americans make up 12.4% of the population but 37% of all abortions; 52% of all African American pregnancies end in abortion; 1,786 African American babies are killed each day by the abortion industry. (Source? The Allen Gutmacher [institute]) (center for disease control)
OK. I'll accept 52%.
Late term is another matter and the numbers are hard to tease out because they look so bad.
Go back to flipping burgers, please.
news article reported that Donald Trump's ex-wives had disclosed he pressured them into undergoing unwanted abortions.
Miriam..your own quotes show your confusion. Thanks for playing.
Nope Walter, you misread me. I'm sorry you are confused. I made myself exceedingly clear.
I try to avoid you, Ritmo and notice how the left always tries to get personal in comments against people they disagree with.
That's bullshit and even a MacDonald's server knows better,
Go back to flipping burgers, please.
Again, you showcase your obsession with denigrating low-income labor in America, even though everyone knows that has no correlation with hard work. So again, you showcase your hatred with the working class. There's just no other way to interpret your obsession with low-paying jobs (which this country seems to excel at making) and your fixation with directing them against others as insults - the only insult you can think of, at that.
OK. I'll accept 52%.
Late term is another matter and the numbers are hard to tease out because they look so bad.
You "accepted" 52% based on the number of abortions per pregnancy in that group, DESPITE saying, "So 73% of black pregnancies are "medical tragedies?"
Again, with the pulling completely untenable, made-up bullshit straight out of your elitist ass, asshole.
I'll accept your apology when you come around to developing a sense of integrity. Maybe those daughters of yours that you hate so much might even stand to benefit by such an example. Go on, learn to be honest and responsible, Dr. KKK.
You take a subset of 52% of a group, that in the aggregate accounts for 1.3% of the group more generally in the total population, and assigned it a frequency of 73%. And you don't even have the integrity to admit how numerically obscene and regrettable an error that is.
You are a liar and a fraud and an unrepentant, recidivist con artist. The dynamic of an election between Trump and Hillary is basically the war that takes place in your own psyche at every waking moment.
Prove yourself to be a decent human being, if you can.
Miriam said...
Eh AprilApple, how do you reconcile voting for Trump? Do you believe everything he says? Trump depends on people like you who use sloppy thinking. He loves his uneducated masses. I'm not saying you're uneducated by any means April, but it seems that you are not able to believe anything from anybody that you consider liberal or Democrat. Trump may be more liberal than Hillary, lol.
6/11/16, 3:46 PM"
The ideal candidate isn't on the ballot. The only vote you can cast is for someone on the ballot and of the candidates on the ballot there are only two who have the real chance of winning: the carnival barker and the champagne communist felonious traitor. Given that choice I'm not voting for the traitor. Apparently you are.
Miriam said...
Trump in reality is neither a liberal , nor is he a conservative. He is an authoritarian,money grubbing, thin skinned, bigot, racist, misogynist, fraud. That is why I won't vote for him, just in case you're confused Walter.
6/11/16, 4:26 PM"
Throw in grifter, criminal and traitor and you just embodied all of Hillary's attributes.
"Prove yourself to be a decent human being, if you can."
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Bye.
"I try to avoid you, Ritmo"
Try harder! Aren't cons supposed to be the political group w/self control? It's actually very easy to avoid various posters, except if you have no will power and are obsessed w/said poster.
Again, part of the problem the Althouse 95/5 con majority has is "they" get tired agreeing with each ad nauseam *shocking!* and can't wait for the opportunity to jump on a minority lib who has the audacity to give an opinion.
The yin and yang of MK's daily discombobulation.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
Asking you to demonstrate basic, decent behavior is a battle of morals and values. Of which you seem unusually ready to prove that you have none.
Bye.
Is this your way of saying goodbye to your assertion that a usually very small subset of 52% of a population somehow becomes 73% of that same population?
Don't think I'm going to live this down. Every time you chime in to proclaim your hatred for poorly compensated labor, and how you think you're so much better than them, I'll remind everyone of the time that you claimed that a usually minuscule subset of the 52% of black pregnancies that end in abortion, became 73% of all black pregnancies.
You are a liar and a scoundrel, and completely unworthy of being treated with any respect or seriousness. You don't have the sense of even basic decency of a yapping chihuahua, as far as anyone can tell, and deserve for everyone to know what a nasty and foolish excuse for a man you are.
"I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man."
Too funny as MK goes back to the mid 18th century for an archaic zinger! Well played except you seem to have tête-à-tête's w/R&B quite often thus dispelling any sense of refusal.
MK wants Ritmo on that wall ~ He needs Ritmo on that wall!
Apologies to Jack ...
I'm almost certain that in private you could get Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife to admit she agrees with bioethicist Peter Singer, that it's perfectly moral OK and fine to abort a baby after it's been born if it turns out to be defective in some way. The people who killed his maternal grandfather in the Theresienstadt concentration camp agreed with his stance. And post-birth abortion is commonly practiced in Communist China. According to one U.S. nurse who was over there, Chinese nurses were very puzzled about her questions about how to care for Down's Syndrome adults, before they finally realized what she was talking about. It was explained to her that that wasn't and wouldn't be a problem in China; those babies never left the delivery room as babies.
"fancy golden hotels?"
If the lava is really flowing, a Red Roof Inn is just as good.
Miriam - Trump is not corrupt. Hillary is. You support Hillary. You support corruption.
You can call Trump all sorts of names but Hillary is the real deal when it comes to corruption. She is the money grubbing whore using OUR government to do it.
The lefties seem to be limited to personal invective. Too bad as I enjoy debate with some links and data,. I even tried to find some for Ritmo, who seems to be an immature kid all bluster and braggadocio.
Oh well. There are other threads with adults,
"Too bad as I enjoy debate with some links and data."
"immature kid"
Ritmo, shouldn't you be at work?
Ritmo, isn't there a MacDonald's shift about to start ? If you don't get your ass in there, you might find a kiosk doing your job next,
Of course, if you are a burger flipper, it will be a robot. 600 burgers an hour I hear.
I try to avoid you, Ritmo and notice how the left always tries to get personal in comments against people they disagree with.
Go back to flipping burgers, please.
Let the record show MK is quite knowledgeable re: McDonald's and totally obsessed w/R&B. Hey, it's always good to have a reason to get out of bed!
The lefties seem to be limited to personal invective. Too bad as I enjoy debate with some links and data,. I even tried to find some for Ritmo, who seems to be an immature kid all bluster and braggadocio.
Oh well. There are other threads with adults,
What I like even more are facts and reason.
Tell me how you feel you were courteous, humble, mature, etc., with your insistent refusal to explain why it is that you arrogantly claimed that the proportion of 52% of black pregnancies that were aborted after the 20th or 27th or whatever week represented 73% of all black pregnancies.
You can slither and weasel your way around why you did this, as you can any explanation for your refusal to apologize for or at least decently account for it.
But the reason you won't is probably because you are more obsessed with insulting me than with making a decent, productive contribution to this thread, or to any thread.
Am I wrong? Prove me wrong.
Or don't.
It seems like your entire self-image relies on bashing low-paid working folks, and equating me with them.
The burden is on you. Any decent and intelligent person reading this thread can see what you did, it's right there in front of everyone.
What you do on the internet usually stays forever, Michael K. (Or Dr. K. Or whatever title you think it is that reflects how truly important you must apparently feel that you are).
So long after anyone in the world knows or remembers who I am, or who you are, your assertion that the proportion of the 52% of black pregnancies that were aborted in a "late term" represented 73%! of all black pregnancies, will still be there. On the walls of time.
As a testament to your hatred to hard-working people and what anyone defending them had to say about the issues of the day.
Along with your book or whatever it is you wrote.
Show the world the sort of honor and smarts that a guy, a supposedly respected former surgeon, named "Michael K" had to give the world, in 2016.
It really is your call, big guy. But maybe you just don't have the strength to be less arrogant.
I think Hillary is a case of Battered Cod Syndrome. A cold fish that's nobody's first choice.
Let the record show MK is quite knowledgeable re: McDonald's and totally obsessed w/R&B. Hey, it's always good to have a reason to get out of bed!
He's probably obsessed with burger flipping because, like most surgeons, he realizes that his life's work basically amounted to vastly overpaid manual labor. But he's ok because his god complex-level of arrogance is the best way he feels of compensating for the sense of inferiority he gets from knowing that.
Amusing to see the lefties obsessing. It's two books which you could buy on Amazon if you were able to read.
The burger flipper thing is humor and I know how humorless the left is.
Ritmo seems to be obsessed with my daughters and usually mentions them at least once a thread.
Just another linkless comment with lots of invective and lefty-speak.
Is Dr. Michael KKK this sloppy with his surgeries? I bet he was.
So now the Surgeon of Sloppiness, Dr. Michael KKK, indicates that only humorlessness would dare request an accurate accounting of how, when it comes to the 52% of black pregnancies that are aborted, the proportion of those that are "late term" (by any definition), make up 73% of all black pregnancies.
He also thinks it could only be humorlessness, apparently, that would dare ask him why he's so petulant about refusing to admit his gross error, let alone figure out how he came about proposing such a sloppily wrong statistic regarding black women.
Maybe he had a traumatic malpractice suit, based on removing 73% of a small mass of tissue instead of 52% of a much bigger mass.
Your patients are not impressed, Sloppy Surgeon Dr. Michael Mengele KKK. You know, if you admit wrongdoing it makes malpractice suits not only less likely, but less disastrous on you financially.
Just admit that you were wrong. You are, after all, better than so many Americans who must flip burgers for a living, instead of having the privilege of flipping around the organs of a vivisected human being.
"so many Americans who must flip burgers for a living, "
I notice you admit it. Good for you.
"I think Hillary is a case of Battered Cod Syndrome. A cold fish that's nobody's first choice."
HAW! Good one.
That reminds me of one my favorite things I like to do when I'm driving the Mrs. back home from a day of hiking somewhere in the Wisconsin hills and dales. When I see a Culvers, I pull in and she says, "we going in?" And I say "yeah, I need a few fried codpieces."
She falls for it every time.
The burger flipper thing is humor and I know how humorless the left is.
As evidenced by how few conservative comedians there are.
"so many Americans who must flip burgers for a living, "
I notice you admit it. Good for you.
Michael, comedy is not like your masturbation habits. It doesn't count when you're the only idiot laughing.
And again, you still haven't explained your sloppy 73% < 52% bullcrap.
Republicans need to humor themselves when they make jokes of themselves. But when nimrods like you decide policy that puts the country in the crapper, it's not funny. It's you delusional cackling to yourself, the way Hillary does.
"so many Americans who must flip burgers for a living, "
I notice you admit it. Good for you.
Admit what? That many Americans are stuck in low-paying jobs with manual labor requirements not all that much more demanding than your own? Everyone already knows that.
But like Hillary, you just cackle to yourself and insulate your bloated ego from the realities of life in America.
@Cubanbob:
"Trump unlike every other Republican has figured out the obvious; the media is composed of Democrats with bylines and he treats them as what they are: propagandist. "
That's exactly right. Trump was able to shut down the media by not being intimidated and kowtowing to them. He fired right back at them and they caved.
Of course, now they're regrouping behind Dark Emperor Hillary, so Act II is just starting.
the stupid party, after all these years, still doesn't have a media strategy. Mitt Romney, who was partially done in by CNN, did an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN. If I were Romney, I wouldn't give CNN the time of day, but he does. The point being the Republicans have no strategy which means they will never make the media pay for being Pravda and Izvestia for the Democrats.
For what it's worth, it looks to me like the insults between Michael K and Rhythm and Balls started when R&B called MK "Michael KKK". Seems to me that anyone who says something like that deserves anything he gets in return, and that being called a burger-flipping loser (or words to that effect) is small beer in comparison.
well otto, is as illuminating as one of those black night flashlights, meaning not very,
John du raspail said...
@Cubanbob:
"Trump unlike every other Republican has figured out the obvious; the media is composed of Democrats with bylines and he treats them as what they are: propagandist. "
That's exactly right. Trump was able to shut down the media by not being intimidated and kowtowing to them. He fired right back at them and they caved.
Of course, now they're regrouping behind Dark Emperor Hillary, so Act II is just starting.
6/11/16, 9:52 PM"
John the other two other things Trump's got going for him: first no matter what crap is flung at Trump he can counter with Hillary's crap which is always worse than his. Second the guy actually doesn't give a crap. He wants the job but he doesn't need the job. Therefore he can and does crap on the media all the time and the media can't control him and can't control his message. Trump by virtue of his anti-PC performance and plain speaking (when he is coherent) is a big FU to the bien pensant. I remember Watergate and the constant drip-drip until Nixon couldn't hang on. Its starting to look like that for Hillary. She may get elected but if she is she probably won't finish her term. Hillary is the Democrat's Nixon but without any of Nixon's redeeming qualities.
"the insults between Michael K and Rhythm and Balls started when R&B called MK "Michael KKK"
No, he is given to nasty insults about "masturbation" and my children. It goes back several months or even to last summer.
Originally the comment was a joke about this person who is so certain and so arrogant but who provides no links to any support for his arguments.
As is usual with the hard left, they quickly descend into really nasty personal stuff. I make no secret about who I am and do not, like them, use a pseudonym. You should have seen the stuff that came out of Washington Monthly when I used to comment there. I read it because I respect Kevin Drum who does real research and admits it when the facts don't support his argument. They banned me when I did not agree about single payer. which most of those kids know nothing about.
Kevin has moved on to Mother Jones but still tells the truth when it doesn't support his argument.
These punks wouldn't know the truth if it bit them.
Blogger AprilApple said...
Miriam - Trump is not corrupt. Hillary is. You support Hillary. You support corruption.
You can call Trump all sorts of names but Hillary is the real deal when it comes to corruption. She is the money grubbing whore using OUR government to do it.
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Yes..but the Democrat platform!
I find it sort of amusing that Shilo is defending the bilious R&B, who probably has a lower opinion of his heroine, Hillary, than I do. This site may be 95-5 Conservative in it's commenters, but it's about 99-1 against Hillary.
Interesting that Miriam is fleshing out a persona that coincidentally provides personal support for Hillary's pro-late-term-abortion stand, then repeats the apparently groundless claim abut Trump forcing a wife into abortions. This was cycling in the fetid pits of the Dem underground a week or two ago, and never made it out, since it was most likely the halcinigenic wet dream of some young Hillary operative. I did find it humorous in how she introduced it by claiming that she heard it. Likely in her daily Hillary campaign staff briefing materials. It will be interesting to see what is in them. For example, do they suggest creating a story about being long term happily married, and then discovering a major birth defect in late term to justify late term abortions? For me, it is far, far, too convenient that this heartbreaking story is the first thing we learn about Miriam's life, besides that she loves Hillary and hates Trump. I still believe that she is a Clinton campaign paid blogger, cycling through different blogs every day with different manufactured personas.
Dr Weevil said...
For what it's worth, it looks to me like the insults between Michael K and Rhythm and Balls started when R&B called MK "Michael KKK". Seems to me that anyone who says something like that deserves anything he gets in return, and that being called a burger-flipping loser (or words to that effect) is small beer in comparison.
In ritmos defense-I know. It's not an excuse- he's usually pretty loaded by the time he gets here. I don't know if it's alchahol or drugs, but his usual liberal boiler plate is pretty lame so he has to liven it up with insults.
He's voting for Bernie.
That alone is an indication of his critical thinking skills.
They don't shit on them ... hey threaten them and like any good battered partner they change their behavior to "please" their partner ... but they do seem to slip in the shower alot and fall down the occasional stairs ...
"No, he is given to nasty insults about "masturbation" and my children. It goes back several months or even to last summer."
Last summer lol, MK you've been a self-righteous horse's ass since you first appeared at Althouse many years ago.
But in your defense you fit in quite nicely with all the other majority con self-righteous horse's ass folk who even get more self-righteous every time "they" lose another presidential election. Funny how that works.
Delusional disingenuous fools on a good day!
shiloh said...
"Last summer lol, MK you've been a self-righteous horse's ass since you first appeared at Althouse many years ago."
Pot, kettle, black.
For what it's worth, it looks to me like the insults between Michael K and Rhythm and Balls started when R&B called MK "Michael KKK".
Bullshit. But what's the point of being a right-winger if you can't invent your own reality.
KKK's been on my cccase since the first comment of mine he ever read. He really and truly is, literally, obsessed with me.
shiloh's right on this one.
I find it sort of amusing that Shilo is defending the bilious R&B, who probably has a lower opinion of his heroine, Hillary, than I do.
Well since we're not reactionary conservatives we can be free to actually defend each other or what's right without making something tribal out of it.
These punks wouldn't know the truth if it bit them.
Oh. You mean truths like this one:
So 73% of black pregnancies (end in late term abortion)...
Way to go when it comes to admitting when the facts don't support your argument.
I get it, though. It's good enough for Kevin Drum. Just not for you.
Maybe there's a supporting "link" for what you said that will make it all better.
For what it's worth, it looks to me like the insults between Michael K and Rhythm and Balls started when R&B called MK "Michael KKK". Seems to me that anyone who says something like that deserves anything he gets in return, and that being called a burger-flipping loser (or words to that effect) is small beer in comparison.
I don't think so. Wealth is very mitigating in America. If it's an insanely wealthy KKK member - let alone one who just has a decent job, he will be forgiven everything. As an inveterately racist Donald Trump and the segregation-supporting Koch brothers have found out.
We have elections and trials for sale in America but apparently you think that being against racism has more cache work more lucrative than a burger flipper.
You are wrong.
Our entire systems of justice and right and wrong follow money; money determines morality in America.
"Trump is a worse liar and more corrupt, not even speaking of stupid." Evidence?
"This election is a personal choice between the lesser of two evils." It usually is. This year between Gordon Gecko and Nurse Ratched. I'd rather take my chances on Gecko, since at least he probably won't steal my guns or my gold, the two traditional shields against statism.
"I prefer Sanders" . . . Well, if you actually like socialism after all the lessons of the past one hundred plus years, that puts you in the hoplessly dense category, or the True Believer Secular Religionist category. Both are impervious to reason, and examples of what Voltaire called "invincible stupidity."
Am I doing this wrong? Even if I've found someone to be a complete asshole and liar on numerous previous threads, I try to encourage good behavior by treating them at least half-way politely on a new thread, as long as they are half-way decent themselves. People who insist on keeping up feuds from one thread to another are utter bores, and need to stop it. No one cares what any of you said about each other last summer, and no one believes you remember it accurately, either. What we can see is that Michael K is not in fact arguing like a Klansman, so R&B did in fact start the insults here, and the lies. Should I go straight to insults in the next half a dozen threads? I don't think so. Better would be for him to get a grip and stop lying.
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