France's Front National won the election there with a projected 25% of the vote, while the governing socialists of President François Hollande collapsed to 14%, according to exit polls.
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"European politics were jolted as seldom before on Sunday when France's extreme nationalists triumphed in the European parliament elections..."
"... which across the continent returned an unprecedented number of MEPs hostile or sceptical about the European Union in a huge vote of no confidence in Europe's political elite."
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Human Nature deniers once again shocked to see evidence of tribalism.
Sometimes these trends are world wide. Sometimes not. We will see.
Of course we still have to see if it's a trend too.
I am not sure of the purity of LePen's motives, but she is taking advantage of people being tired of being told what to do by an over-weaning government entity. Hollande is as incompetent as Obama and we see the result.
Although I don't think we need go as far as the bloodshed that Jefferson encouraged, we certainly need to reassert our independence in this country as well. Between an incompetent, and perhaps, criminal federal administration, and the suffocating self-righteousness of the PC/feminist crowd a little revolution is called for. Perhaps November will prove to be that. Although if the Republicans take control of the federal legislature they will need to have their feet held very close to the fire.
I'm hoping the UKIP does as well in the next British national elections. The EU is every bit as dictorial and oppressive as the USSR ever was.
Socialism is contrary to human nature.
“A little learning is a dangerous thing.
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian Spring;
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.”
They have to be retaught every few decades.
If you've never seen the leader of UK's Independent Party (UKIP) Nigel Farage, boy, you really should. He speaks in a way that no American politician does. Blunt, frank, and funny.
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RjUJy7kDOM>Here</a> he is calling one of his EU colleagues a criminal and saying the EU is communism.
Where's the American version of this guy?
The results are more indicative that the peoples in the respective countries aren't sold on the idea of a single super state. A free trade zone, a customs union and a common currency is what they were sold on and thats all they want. For the 'elites' that is simply more than they can accept or understand-how dare the peasantry not fall in line?
No big deal:
The French have been using the National Front, for cover from the elites, for years.
If it does signal more long-term trends, we can at least take comfort in the fact it won't destroy their racist image or anything,...
The media and main political parties love to throw around terms like "racist", "Nazi", "extreme" to marginalize these parties. However, these are generally people who are tired of being treated like sheep by out of touch governments.
FleetUSA,
"The media and main political parties love to throw around terms like "racist", "Nazi", "extreme" to marginalize these parties."
Because they're not? Sure,...
It's called "pushback," and it's been showing up more and more these days. And it's got the elites stunned.
Crack's stunned too, I see. That's a very weak scramble, Crack. You'd have done better to skip this thread.
Good to see the old see-saw is still working.
Link to Farage video.
The only surprise is that our long suffering Euro-cousins put up with the Euro-parliament nonsense as long as they have.
Whatever one may think of the EU as an idea, the implementation has fallen prey to the ubiquitous Eurocratic sins --- gold plated expense accounts, featherbedding, cronyism, and a complete lack of accountability to the taxpayers.
The EU bureaucracy has not completed a successful audit of its expenses since the late 1990's. Its bi-locality (i.e. Brussels & Strasbourg) and the annual journey between the two locations for all of the MEPs, has all but guaranteed duplication down to the lowest level. Two locations under the investigative control of two different countries doubles the potential for scamming the taxpayer (e.g. wife on the payroll in Brussels, mistress on the payroll in Strasbourg), while making it difficult for any investigative authority to follow up.
Getting told what to do by your own corrupt bureaucrats is one thing. Getting told what to do by a bunch of even more corrupt foreign bureaucrats is another. Even for Europeans, much more accustomed to doing what their "betters" tell them to do, there are limits.
Legend has it that unless a Eurocrat is shot in the head with a silver bullet, then staked through the heart with a wooden stake, then doused in holy water, and finally the body burnt to ashes on a pile of garlic, the corpse will rise again to live again on the taxpayer's euro.
"dark night of fascism is always descending in the United States and yet lands only in Europe,"
Tom Wolfe
It's very true, don't you think? Europhiles complain about our winner-take-all elections and resulting two party entrenchment, but at least it means that our politics are moderated by big-tent parties. The Europhiles have always whined because we don't have viable communist, socialist, or green parties, but the other side of the coin is that we don't have fascists and extreme nationalists either. I wonder if they're celebrating the vitality of European politics now?
European politics were jolted as seldom before on Sunday when France's extreme nationalists triumphed in the European parliament elections...
What a crock of shit.
The Guardian writer's use of the term "extreme nationalists" is prima facie evidence Ian Traynor or his editor knows nothing about the French nor the history of nationalism.
The French resent that their country is being ruled by a mixed bag of Nordics, Mediterraneans, and Slavs who know little and care less about France. Why is this surprising? Evidently, Ian Trayon is surprised, which is why he writes for the Guardian, a publication whose writers are required to live in a fantasy land.
If Front National was extremist the French Army would be massing on the Belgian border. Then we'd see whether the "Euristas" really mean it.
EU and national governments shocked that the peasants/peons/commoners DISAGREE with them!
I hate to see this. The European project was a great leap forward. Sixty years of peace and economic development after centuries of bloodshed. Now it's all at risk. Why? Because liberals and the corporate elite found common ground: open borders. The liberals got their "diversity" and Europe's capitalists got cheap labor. Welfare states and open borders! You Americans should try it sometimes and see what happens.
Of course they are racists. All non socialists are racist; everybody knows that!
So they are nationalists.
Are they socialists as well?
Would that make them National(ist) Socialists?
And if so, why would they be considered right wing?
John Henry
Corruption, displacement, and misaligned development have exposed the "promises" of Europe's left-wing leaders.
Ditto on Farage. I learned about him on the No Agenda podcast www.noagendashow.com where they used to run his clips frequently.
If you have not seen him, go to youtube and watch some clips. If they ever kick him out of the UK, I would hope he would come here.
I seem him as somewhat liberal a la Paul or Cruz. Is this a global example of Obie spreading liberalism around the world?
Are the Brits seeing out Tea Parties and liberal pols and thinking "hmmm. Maybe our American cousins have the right idea."
I hope so.
John Henry
How is an "extreme" nationalist different from a nationalist?
Breaking: Setback for Extreme Socialists
/headlines you'll never see
"The media and main political parties love to throw around terms like "racist", "Nazi", "extreme" to marginalize these parties."
Because they're not? Sure,..."
Most of these European "extremist" parties occupy the same socialist/populist-schlub space as our own beloved
garage mahal. So, yeah, they're mildly racist but hardly blackshirts.
Derbyshire says that nobody cares about the European Parliament so it's used as a protest vote.
The old EP had a hundred anti-EP members.
Unlike America and Canada, European nation states were constructed around immigration. There just some people who won't ever really be German or Dutch or French or whatever.
Anyone can be an American or Canadian though.
@St George, you left off the quote before the first right bracket. But I did go to that YouTube video and was much impressed.
Crack,
Pim Fortuyn, before he was murdered, was called an extremist by the European political and media establishment. He really wasn't. He just didn't appreciate his homosexuality being stepped on by socially conservative newcomers from distant lands.
There are some out and out racists for sure in these groups, but some of them just want their countries to be what they've always been, which are the ethnocentric nation-states that all European countries are.
Euro version of the Tea Party.
Isn't the solution obvious? Make membership in the European Parliament appointive. That's get rid of those nasty extremists.
I like how anyone who doesn't agree with the statists are called 'extremist'.
Spiros Pappas:
That's a fair synopsis of their situation. The only thing preventing immoral or amoral people from seizing control is competing interests. The overlapping or convergent interests of two major power blocs in their societies were sufficient to override local interests. The shared interests of political and capital parties has visibly harmed Europeans and undermined the integrity of their communities. The resurgence of national parties was inevitable. The Europeans, more than Americans, are not passive bystanders. If only because their reserves are relatively limited.
Big Mike,
"Crack's stunned too, I see. That's a very weak scramble, Crack. You'd have done better to skip this thread."
What's stunning is how perceptive you are:
"No big deal" surely telegraphs astonishment,..
In my first comment that should "European nation states were NOT constructed around immigration".
The barricades famous in Les Mis were erected when a foreign King's Army was sent to town to subdue or kill the free citizens.
Not having firearms as weapons, the citizens just barricaded the streets.
Then a Corsican Artillery Captain taught the French how to use Canons shooting directly down the streets. He had a talent for battle tactics.
The EU is in need of a new Napoleon.
Lyle,
"Crack,
...There are some out and out racists for sure in these groups, but some of them just want their countries to be what they've always been, which are the ethnocentric nation-states that all European countries are."
I know - I lived there - which is why I find the uninformed-Americans so thick in the head. But, still, "some out and out racists" are why MLK told blacks not to vote with Republicans - and why I won't vote with them now - so, if that's the way he felt about it, then I see no reason in joining the Euroskeptics either.
Who would join them is, usually, a pretty good way of identifying racist sympathies either way,...
Marine Le Pen has actually said that she's farther to the left than Barack Obama. Technically, I would call the economics as Socialist, with a Nationalistic bent.
In any event, interesting times, and an interesting push back against the current administration there.
If the mainstream parties took the concerns of the people seriously, there wouldn't be any oxygen for the fringe parties. But the elite classes in those countries are sealed off from the people and think they're just being racist. Meanwhile Paris is being squeezed by an ever-tightening noose of miserable suburbs where French policemen won't even go and Marseilles is already lost. Since most of the left media uses the "extreme", "Nazi", "far-right" tags more to inspire fear and loathing rather than to warn of any legitimate danger, no need to be too worried at this point. Now, if the BNP took over the government in the UK, that would be a worrying development.
Spiros Pappas wrote: The European project was a great leap forward. Sixty years of peace and economic development after centuries of bloodshed.
Are you really that ignorant, Spiros Pappas, or is it just a trollish façade? Those sixty years of peace were purchased by the American taxpayer who financed the American military presence in Europe, which kept the Soviet wolf from your door, not to mention the lives of American soldiers. Your vaunted "European project" did nothing to keep the peace. NOTHING! Or must I remind you of Serbian-led ethic cleansing of Bosians and Albanians. It was my country, the country you love to hate, that ended that terror and we haven't gotten a word of thanks from you Euro-scum.
The fact that the EU is crumbling is merely typical.
The EU is every bit as dictorial and oppressive as the USSR ever was.
Dude, get a grip. Get back to me when the EU sends millions into forced labor, conducts genocide and sends military and tanks to London and Paris to overturn these election results.
Maybe they're right-wing extremists, who knows. The Left in this country wants to use the label because they want to tar the Right in this country by association. But it doesn't really work that way. Leftist around the world are all of the same flavor; they speak the same language and read the same literature. The "Rightists" hold no such commonality. An American conservative has little in common with a conservative in Iraq or one in Russia.
In this case, "Right-wing extremist" = anyone who doesn't buy into open borders and a EU Superstate.
Interesting how the Left in the USA /UK/Europe all operate the same way. Anyone who opposes them is a "racist/bigot/homophobe" and the left is always ready to screw over the "Workers & Peasants" in the name of Internationalism.
The EU needs to get back to be being a customs union.
Crack,
Understood. I've lived and worked there myself.
Dude, get a grip. Get back to me when the EU sends millions into forced labor
The EU's reach exceeds it grasp, or what's a socialist utopia for?
Diamondhead,
"Since most of the left media uses the "extreme", "Nazi", "far-right" tags more to inspire fear and loathing rather than to warn of any legitimate danger, no need to be too worried at this point."
You guys are so into your left/right/conservative/liberal partisan nonsense, you sound like fools:
Marine LePen took over the National Front to smooth over her father's "extreme" views. The only people fooled by her role in French politics are American conservatives who think she means something more than the French have a clumsy, inconvenient, and ultimately non-representative, system of government. Whoo-hoo! Yeah! Go Team!
Nazis are called "Nazis" because in Europe there are Nazis.
Being the Tea Party overseas, including "some out and out racists for sure," I think "far-right" is as good a moniker as any for UKIP and the lot. Which brings us to a question:
Are you all delusional or is right-wing lying just part of the DNA?
The peasants are revolting.
Bill, Bill, Bill, they don't need tanks, they just need to keep changing the rules, having us vote and count until we get the results they want.
Nazis are called "Nazis" because in Europe there are Nazis.
You know, crack, we've had probably a coupla dozen historical discussions on the nature of National Socialism in this forum over the past few years, with folks weighing in on many viewpoints & referencing multiple historians to back their cases.
I don't remember you as being a part of those discussions.
So, please, proceed to lecture the rest of us on the nature of National Socialism in its past & present manifestations.
Feel free to show your work. Or, does "delusional" just not come in basic black?
Crack Emcee's posts are so tiresome and predictable, that I think
making a game out of it might be helpful in getting through them.
Similar to the Bob Newhart game. So, there goes . . .
The Crack Emcee said...No big deal:
The French have been using the National Front, for cover from the elites, for years.
If it does signal more long-term trends, we can at least take comfort in the fact it won't destroy their racist . . .
DRINK!!
... image or anything,...
FleetUSA said "The media and main political parties love to throw around terms like "racist", "Nazi", "extreme" to marginalize these parties."
Crack replied: Because they're not? Sure,...
DRINK!!
I know - I lived there - which is why I find the uninformed-Americans so thick in the head.
But, still, "some out and out racists". . .
DRINK!!
. . . are why MLK told blacks not to vote with Republicans - and why I won't vote with them now - so, if that's the way he felt about it, then I see no reason in joining the Euroskeptics either.
Who would join them is, usually, a pretty good way of identifying racist. . .
DRINK!!
. . . sympathies either way,...
"There are some out and out racists for sure in these groups, but some of them just want their countries to be what they've always been, which are the ethnocentric nation-states that all European countries are."
How is wanting your country to be inhabited by your countrymen different from "out-and-out racism"?
The European project was a great leap forward. Sixty years of peace and economic development after centuries of bloodshed
That sixty years of Peace and economic development was won on the backs of the American military, not the EU.
We not only protected Europe from the USSR, we allowed them to gut their militaries and spend that money domestically, secure in the knowledge that the American taxpayer and American serviceman would protect them.
The Crack Emcee said...
. . . Being the Tea Party overseas, including "some out and out racists . . .
DRINK!!
. . for sure," I think "far-right" is as good a moniker as any for UKIP and the lot.
Oh what the hell, that deserves one more. DRINK!!
Are you all delusional or is right-wing lying just part of the DNA?
It is in the DNA, along with our inability to jump or dance.
Sadly, it is the curse of Whitey to be the only race defined by its DNA.
As per usual, Crack is less than up front. King did not advise blacks to vote against one Republicans, he advised them to vote against one specific Republican, Barry Goldwater, and any Republican candidates who might support him.
Because anything Barry Goldwater could have done to blacks would have been worse than half a century of great society has been.
schizophrenic crack: "You guys are so into your left/right/conservative/liberal partisan nonsense, you sound like fools"
Says the guy trying mighty hard to turn a blog posting about the "pushback" that is inevitable when unaccountable EU bureaucrats become too powerful and the results of letting in large numbers of radical and murderous islamist radicals become clear into a discussion about MLK/American conservatives and racism.
Crack, like most on the left, is simply incapable intellectually and morally to address the consequences of the growth of the EU parliament and the cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century.
So, naturally, "Racism in the US" becomes the rallying cry.
Sad and pathetic really and easily predictable.
Technically, I would call the economics as Socialist, with a Nationalistic bent.
Which, of course, what Fascism, and its offshoot, Nazism, were.
Still, I think that part of what is being intentionally ignored by many, is that the nationalism is essential anti-immigrant. A lot of the French are apparently realizing that a lot of mostly Muslim immigrants have no interest in assimilation, but rather, in imposing Sharia law. What made France France is of little, if any consequence to these new immigrants. They are losing what it means to be French, in consequence of joining the EU. And, a similar sentiment seems to run through much of the rest of western Europe that is a part of the EU. They have no way to control their borders, having given that up to join. We are talking large "no-go" zones for ethnic French throughout their our country, where you are only safe if you are Muslim (male - since Sharia is essentially in effect there, making females there second-class citizens, who effectively consent to rape if caught outside their homes without adequate male relatives protection).
Is nationalism any surprise then? The French, Dutch, etc. identities that have developed over the millenia are being effectively dismantled by those immigrants who are so adamant, and even violent, about not assimilating.
Meanwhile, in islamist lands, Christians are being lashed and murdered for the crime of being Christian.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/25/death-friends-sentence-justice-whose-sudanese-hampshire-wife-whose-sudanese-wife-faces-death-sentence-faces-faith-politicians-friends-urge-justice/kp4faSkOWISt7Ti7ziSaiM/story.html
Crack and his pals on the left do not want to go anywhere near this story.
In the same way that they do not want to touch the Boko Harum story.
Too "not Western Christian White Male" enough.
Mr. Quaestor, Europe was indeed covered by the U.S.'s nuclear umbrella. A tit for tat nuclear strategy kept the Soviets at bay. That's about it. Russia was backwards and poor then and still is now. The USSR could have never conquered Europe by conventional means. You should be less critical of Europeans. We're awesome. And America's native population would be in terrible straits if not for European immigration. America's great strength, both militarily and economically, was built by European immigrants. Without us, your country would be some hybrid of Brazil and South Africa. A terrible place beset by racial antagonisms that can't seem to die.
"We are talking large "no-go" zones for ethnic French throughout their our country, where you are only safe if you are Muslim (male - since Sharia is essentially in effect there, making females there second-class citizens, who effectively consent to rape if caught outside their homes without adequate male relatives protection)."
So, what's not to like about that? You're not some out-and-out racist, are you?
Nazis are called "Nazis" because in Europe there are Nazis.
Wow. Diagnostic, or what?
Crack, like most on the left, is simply incapable intellectually and morally to address the consequences of the growth of the EU parliament and the cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century.
Crack's intellectual toolkit is like a Swiss Army knife with one blade.
Crack: "Being the Tea Party overseas...."
Hilarious times eleventy!
All the signs of a weak mind are present in each and every one of Cracks blatherings.
I've no doubt if we give crack just a little more space he'll be offering up Farrakhan-esque numerology madness.
Obama is extremely competent in saying what he should say about any and every issue. Then everyone acts surprised when Obama doesn't do what he said about the issues but sneakily does the opposite.
To date the spin has been he acts that way because of Bad Bush and Bad Tea party and Bad white racists, bad men, bad Catholics and bad House of Representatives. But all the king's spinning has worn thin now.
We can see that those serial lies came from one bad fifth columnist enemy occupying the White House and protected by the news media.
Won on the backs of the American military and taxpayer!!!
"Is nationalism any surprise then? The French, Dutch, etc. identities that have developed over the millenia are being effectively dismantled by those immigrants who are so adamant, and even violent, about not assimilating."
While it is true that the immigrants are delighted with the opportunity to loot and plunder a civilization they do not understand, they are merely the tools of those who seek the destruction of the West. The architects of that destruction were trained in Western Universities.
Anybody want to thank Ronald Reagan again? He convinced the Russians of two rare things:
1) Reagan would build Star Wars. And Reagan would counter the threat of intermediate Nukes that Russia had ready to fire from East Germany, Czechoslovakia and Hungary to conquer the rest of Europe.
2) Reagan was a man of good will whose word they could trust.
We have not had such a man since. If we Europe's problems would get better and not go out of control.
Reagan's secret was that he tried to tell people the truth. The GOP establishment, such as George Bush, despised him for that way of governing, much like they hate the Tea Party and Sarah Palin today.
Spiros Pappas wrote: A terrible place beset by racial antagonisms that can't seem to die.
The most delicious kind of irony is the kind hypocrites entrap themselves with. "A terrible place beset by racial antagonisms that can't seem to die" perfectly describes Europe, or was Slobodan Milošević's extermination campaign against non-Orthodox Yugoslavs just my imagination? Or what about those four persons killed at the Jewish history museum in on-so-Eurocentric Brussels just two days ago?
Yes, America owns much to Europe, but Europe owes more to America. What I find so pathetic about Euro-trash is your tiny egos can't endure acknowledging the debt owed, even to the latest debt in defeating racial slaughter in Yugoslavia, a monumental crime you Euro-weenies did nothing to stop.
Face it. Europe has a continental-scale inferiority complex, complicated with collective penis envy. Pappas, you and other like-minded Euro-trash don't need the EU; what you need is psychoanalysis.
The USSR could have never conquered Europe by conventional means
Why the fuck not? Who was going to stop him and what were they going to do it with?
Besides the United States that is.
America's great strength, both militarily and economically, was built by European immigrants.
Yep...I agree with you...any European with ambition got the fuck out of Europe and came here where they could be successful.
Let's be a little clearer about who is who over in France.
French political parties and movements have no equivalency to American ones. The two largest parties, the Socialists and the right wing UMP, are both parties of the government.In an extremely superficial way, the UMP is like the establishment Republicans and a lot of democrats, while the Socialists can be sometimes like the progressives within the Democratic party (but overall would considered Republicans by those self same American Progressives every so often).
There is no equivalent to the Tea Party movement anywhere in Europe (Nigel Farrage sounds like the Tea Party sometimes, and sometimes not), because there is no movement, that I know of, in Europe for smaller government, freer trade and capitalism.
The Front National's economical plan is to have the state take control of "important" sectors, to nationalize certain industries for "benefit of France". Its only difference with the other parties (who all want to exercize control over the wealth producing elements of the economy) is that it's in order to restore some vague, nearly mythical, notion of France.
As to the other Eurosceptics who got elected, it's a mismatched mix bag of groups who are just tired of European Union bureaucracy, tired of their usual political parties, nationalists, ultra nationalists (there is a difference, as in my nation first but I'll work with you versus, my country's way or the highway), anti immigration groups, anti muslim and Africans groups, other incomprehensible groups and actual Nazis (one from Germany).
This vote was a rejection vote, it was against business as usual. That's all. What that will grow into is another question, and it's a little worrisome.
The number to pay attention to, however, is vote participation; it was pathetic. What that implies could be even more worrisome.
Drago,
"Crack, like most on the left, is simply incapable intellectually and morally to address the consequences of the growth of the EU parliament and the cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century."
Oh, excuse me, Drago, you're so right. I DO need your "intellectually and morally" superior - BUT TOTALLY NOT RACIST - guidance.
Are those "cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century" worse than the cultural habits of gun-toting racist whites who have 1) committed injustices more-than-equal to anything the Arabs do or have done, and 2) persisted in nudging us towards The Rapture when Jesus comes?
I mean, since I'm sure this all makes total sense, I'm just as sure you're the perfect guy to explain it to poor ol' "intellectually and morally" inferior me.
BTW - my Arab friends in Europe thank you in advance for the laugh,...
Bruce Hayden,
"What made France France is of little, if any consequence to these new immigrants."
Is "what made France France" what makes others becoming French so difficult?
I mean, virulent racism was part of the package,...
Drago,
"Crack and his pals on the left do not want to go anywhere near this story."
Why should we have to when Drago is "on the case"?
Terry,
"This vote was a rejection vote, it was against business as usual. That's all. What that will grow into is another question, and it's a little worrisome."
Exactly. These guys, crowing, are just revealing their ignorance of what they're looking at. Nothing major happened - or, putting it another way, nothing unexpected - "pushback" in this case was the equivalent of California trading Gray Davis for Arnie.
People DO love their actors,...
Oh - and rooting for the European parties most associated with racism is a horrible way to convince American blacks racism's not what your political party, here, is all about.
A little political tip - from Pick-A-Ninny
Are those "cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century" worse than the cultural habits of gun-toting racist whites who have 1) committed injustices more-than-equal to anything the Arabs do or have done, and 2) persisted in nudging us towards The Rapture when Jesus comes?
That depend on whether pints 1 and/or 2 are true, doesn't it? And that's up to you to prove, and not up to anyone else to disprove.
As for poor ol' "intellectually and morally" inferior me, why the quotes, Crack? Who are you quoting? Certainly no one here. No one here has called you stupid, or morally corrupt, or inferior. We just think you're a tedious johnnie-one-note paranoid who sheds much more heat than light.
You take every opportunity to accuse people you don't know from Adam of all kinds of heinous crimes. And you heap scorn on us regularly, if not always. Why? If you find us so despicable, why keep company with us? Are you so lonely and isolated that the company of people you hate is preferable to no company at all?
None of us here hate you. If fact, we might even like and respect you if you give us a chance. As it is we wish you well and to get well, if you know what I mean.
Here's what Bret Stephens has to say about this mess.
committed injustices more-than-equal to anything the Arabs do or have done
It's official. You are stupid.
Are those "cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century" worse than the cultural habits of gun-toting racist whites
Just for the sake of argument you racist fuck:
Yes.
"Are those "cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century" worse than the cultural habits of gun-toting racist whites who have 1) committed injustices more-than-equal to anything the Arabs do or have done, and 2) persisted in nudging us towards The Rapture when Jesus comes?"
Crackster, I don't think you need to worry about his Rapture thing. I am not altogether clear on the details, even though I am a gun-toting, racist white person, but my understanding is that, should it occur, which is kind of a long shot, you won't even notice in San Francisco.
And crack drops by to prove the point.
Thanks crack.
Still, you would think that crack could muster the tiniest bit of outrage against kidnapping and raping and selling into sex slavery young black african girls.
But no. That is still a bridge too far for crack and his arab buddies.
Whats your latest reparations numbet crack? Is it 200 trillion yet?
Of course crack has yet to enlighten us on the proper "sun peoples" way to hack to death hundreds of thousands with machetes.
And remember, thats not hundreds of years ago, its within our lifetime.
Not to worry.
Those black africans slaughtered by their fellow black africans were clearly not "real" black africans.
But hey, somewhere someone might have not agreed with al sharpton! The horror!
I have no idea about France's national front. But this is in reaction to the president raising taxes so high that people like depardieu fled the country. Any time you implement an economy that drastic there will be a backlash. That's a warning to liberals. Now we have to see what the nationalists will do and if there's a reaction in the opposite direction.
I'm glad that the socialist is out on his ass though.
Marine Le Pen has actually said that she's farther to the left than Barack Obama. Technically, I would call the economics as Socialist, with a Nationalistic bent.
Ultimately, I don't live there so could care less. I've long given up on France being anything other than a place I'd like to visit for a week.
But, if she's to the left of Obama I guess its,a positive that she's not as to the left as the outgoing president. It maybe she is. If the country goes further to hell I'm just glad I'm not living there.
"Oh - and rooting for the European parties most associated with racism is a horrible way to convince American blacks racism's not what your political party, here, is all about."
Hey Crack. Just to make it clear ... for future reference? I could give a flying fuck less what "American blacks" that share your mindset think my political party "is all about." 'Kay?
Anyone who is so adamantly set in their belief system as you isn't worth trying to convince. There is nothing that could be said or done that would change your mind about the "white debbil" anyway.
I get that Ann and Meade have a soft spot in their hearts where you are concerned but I'll never understand it. I just feel sorry for you.
I knew a guy once who was as miserable as you seem to be. He ended up listening to the radio sitting in his car in a closed garage with the engine running. Don't let your hate drive you that far over the edge. Google a helpline number before you get to that point.
Quaestor,
"That depend on whether pints 1 and/or 2 are true, doesn't it? And that's up to you to prove, and not up to anyone else to disprove.
As for poor ol' "intellectually and morally" inferior me, why the quotes, Crack? Who are you quoting? Certainly no one here. No one here has called you stupid, or morally corrupt, or inferior."
Drago said...
"Crack, like most on the left, is simply incapable intellectually and morally to address the consequences of the growth of the EU parliament and the cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century."
PROVED IT! (but, of course, you'll ignore it.)
Still - killing two whites with one stone:
Makes MY day,...
Quaestor said:
"Yes, America owns (sic) much to Europe, but Europe owes more to America."
America owes much to England, Wales, Scotland, and the three counties of North Ireland, continental Europe owes its continuing existence to the above mentioned Great Britain and the USA, both English speaking countries.
Crack said:
"...my Arab friends..."
Of course, I assume, he said that with a straight face, you can't make that shit up.
Drago,
"You would think that crack could muster the tiniest bit of outrage against kidnapping and raping and selling into sex slavery young black african girls."
Once American whites can muster the tiniest bit of outrage about the kidnapping and raping and selling into sex slavery of young black American girls - by white American men - I'll gladly pay my attention elsewhere. But not until:
This happens to be much closer to home,...
Drago,
"Those black africans slaughtered by their fellow black africans were clearly not "real" black africans."
Uh-oh, you've developed a tic in your rap, man:
Last week, you said I thought Condi wasn't "real black," remember? I called you a liar - again - ringing any bells, Grandpa?
Make some tea, get a blankey.
Call me if you start to get cold,...
jr565,
"I have no idea about France's national front."
You have a way of making *brilliant* entrances. You could've just said you have no idea about France:
"This is in reaction to the president raising taxes so high that people like depardieu fled the country."
Is not - we've hardly heard a peep out of the people. They pay what they're told to pay, because President Fuckface told them to, because that's the way it's done. (Old countries, that formally had kings and still have traditions - many surrounding authority - can be weird that way.) This was France saying "A pox on all your houses!" without - another tradition - admitting they got themselves into this mess.
"Any time you implement an economy that drastic there will be a backlash."
Dude, Cliven Bundy sparked a backlash - France as a nation is a frightened animal. What answers do they have to anything? Arabs (and Jews and everybody else) are the scapegoats for their racism. The French are the ones making France so unattractive no one wants to be French.
"That's a warning to liberals."
Only if conservatives, here, are fighting for 3 hour lunches and 2 month vacations - nationally.
jr565: I have no idea about France's national front. But this is in reaction to the president raising taxes so high that people like depardieu fled the country.
No, it's not.
Any time you implement an economy that drastic there will be a backlash.
It's a backlash, all right, but not to "socialism". Americans see bullshit about "far-right extremists" and immediately map American ideas about "conservatism" onto these parties. They don't map.
khesanh0802: Here's what Bret Stephens has to say about this mess.
Bret Stephens doesn't know what he's talking about, either.
Crack Emcee: Are those "cultural habits of islamists who want to return to the 7th century" worse than the cultural habits of gun-toting racist whites who have 1) committed injustices more-than-equal to anything the Arabs do or have done...
Crack, you ignorant slut.
richard mcenroe said...
As per usual, Crack is less than up front. King did not advise blacks to vote against one Republicans, he advised them to vote against one specific Republican, Barry Goldwater, and any Republican candidates who might support him.
Great point, Richard.
Of course when the next election came around, King had been assassinated.
The French were complicit in the murder of tens of thousands of Jews by the Nazis. This happened from a mix of cowardice, fear, indifference and race hatred.
I do not know if the current French right wing has inherited that strain or not. I suppose we will find out but I am not looking forward to it.
There are a lot of Muslims in France. Many have been there, or back and forth, for generations. The old timers are a force for moderation, but right now Paris, which is France for many purposes, has become an elite theme park in the center surrounded by Muslim slums. When I was in Paris last summer, some of my very liberal French acquaintances cautioned me strongly against going anywhere near the Muslim areas, even in the middle of the day.
The level of fear was high.
of course, scott walker is no farage, who is more articulate, but...
http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/05/26/earthquake/
Readers may be astonished to learn that Nigel Farage only finished high school. Ironically that may be his selling point; perhaps because the voters have long been looking for someone who attended neither Oxford nor Cambridge, just so they can cast a ballot in his favor.
The Althouse commentariat is so kind and generous, giving Crack the attention that he craves more than oxygen.
Anyhow: as several people have pointed out, it's a mistake to think that European concepts of "left" and "right" can map easily onto U.S. concepts of same.
Leftists are leftists the world over, but the U.S. right doesn't really have an equivalent anywhere, except maybe kinda in Canada.
Crack: You guys are so into your left/right/conservative/liberal partisan nonsense, you sound like fools:
...says the guy who sees everything through white/black skin
When the "mainstream" parties all sing together from the same transnational socialist hymnal (yes Mr. Cameron, that includes you) and abandon the nationalism of reasonably looking out for the interests of the people whom you purport to represent, then of course the "ultra-nationalists" will collect a lot more votes.
Farage is really just an old-school English Tory - the "Conservatives" left him, not the other way around. I don't know too much about Marine LePenn - her father was a very nasty piece of work, and one assumes that the apple doesn't fall too far, etc.
The Crack Emcee said...
Oh - and rooting for the European parties most associated with racism is a horrible way to convince American blacks racism's not what your political party, here, is all about.
But there is no possibility of convincing American blacks, at least in any one-at-a-time fashion that amounts to anything.
Ya'all will 'uncle tom' and 'you ain't black' any that we do, so your suggestion is completely disingenuous, in common with most all your posts.
Fen,
"...says the guy who sees everything through white/black skin"
Y'all started it, not me - whether we're talking about here or in history - it's whites who've led the way to racial animosity!
I'd think you'd know that by now, considering what effort you put into it.
And BTW - It's kinda hard to take you guys seriously, as conservatives, when you know you sold out for Romney,...
"Being the Tea Party overseas, including "some out and out racists for sure," I think "far-right" is as good a moniker as any for UKIP and the lot. Which brings us to a question:"
UKIP is fundamentally different from the National Front. You wouldn't know that from reading breathless newspaper headlines since they invariably lump all of them together in the parade of horribles.
Are there a few out and out racists in UKIP? Yes, since there are in every political party including our own perfectly enlightened Democratic Party here. The few exceptions don't usually form the basis of an interesting discussion, as you've ably proven here.
Crack: " ...it's whites who've led the way to racial animosity!"
Shut up Gaijin.
"France extreme nationalists"
What's positive about fine groups like say "Boko Haram" is that they are never "extreme" only "radical".
The way "radical" and "extreme" are used are prime examples of the perversion of language as described by Orwell.
Phil D: "What's positive about fine groups like say "Boko Haram" is that they are never "extreme" only "radical""
Crack doesn't think Boko Haram is radical.
At all.
And neither do his arab pals.
And his arab pals surely have an expectation that crack should not mention such things.
So Crack doesn't.
Because when it comes to atrocities being committed this very day against black african girls by black african muslims, crack knows his place.
" I don't think we need go as far as the bloodshed that Jefferson encouraged [emphasis added]"
That's a badly flawed reading of Jefferson's letter.
Drago,
"Crack doesn't think Boko Haram is radical."
I've been covering cults for longer than Drago's been capable of forming sentences but, he thinks, he can single-handedly re-define my relationship to them by he (and other whites) demonstrating a false Africa-up-the-ass concern, they think, will distract from the black American focus on the sins of white America in the New World, which black Africans (of course) played as much of a role in, generally, as those kidnapped girls.
White people are weird,...
Drago; "Crack doesn't think Boko Haram is radical."
Crack doesn't care about the history of slavery at all. Crack doesn't seem to care about human beings at all.
Crack seems to be just a racist narcissist, to put it mildly. I wonder if he is nation of islam.
The fact that this says
"White people are weird"
rather than
"Drago is weird"
says about all you need to know about Crack these days. Pretty sad...
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